YTSEJAM Digest 2068
Today's Topics:
1) Veni Domine and other strangeness
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2066
by BlackSax@gnn.com (Richard D. Slaughter)
3) Ytsejam Information
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
4) Folks, we -are- making a difference :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
5) Marillion?
by Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
6) Jason Becker..
by Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net>
7) KTS CD's
by progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2067
by WildKoba@aol.com
9) no more tip toeing thru the tulips for tim
by Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
10) Song Lengths
by "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
11) stuff
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
12) Empty-Handed You Go
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:53:52 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Veni Domine and other strangeness
Message-ID: <199612020655.AAA01651@Walden.MO.NET>
>Being from Sweden you may have heard of Veni Domine??
YES!!!! Those guys are really good. For some great melodic sort of
metal with vocal work ala Geoff Tate (yet different), only much
darker than Queensryche, these guys are the stuff. What are they up
to now? I know they toured with Saviour Machine in Europe a little
while back (now there's a band I wish would tour in America again,
and they're from California, too), but that's the last I heard from
them. Anyway, I don't know that I'd call Veni Domine orchestral, but
symphonic? maybe.
Heard a Vai song on the radio today. Pretty kewl. Again, I'll be at
the show Dec. 8 @ Miss. Nights in St. Louis. I'll either be wearing
my ytse shirt or my Rush shirt.
Also, the other day, I heard none other than Floyd, Yes, and Rush, in
a row, on the radio. Dark Side of the Moon, Roundabout, and one of
the new Rush tunes I can't remember the name of. Wow. Now if they'd
only play some DT. Cheers, mate.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 00:52:44
From: BlackSax@gnn.com (Richard D. Slaughter)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2066
Message-ID: <199612020649.BAA12377@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
> On a different note, how many fellow jammers feel that long songs can
>get boring. I really haven't formed an opinion on "A change of seasons"
>because I tend to avoid long songs. After "Inagaddadavidda" or however
> you
>spell it I lost interest in long songs. Does anyone agree?
>
>
No. Or, at least, I don't... In fact, I strongly disagree.
This is a BAD comparison... Inagadadavida? .. Kinda repetetive. One big
freakin' repetition, with very little actual content. (no slam against those
of you who like that, I'm a techno fan myself, so I'm into a good bit of
repetition) Whereas ACoS is a constantly changing cluster of individual
songs, of sorts, with a common message. Maybe you like Voices? or
Erotomania? Did you never realize that they, along with The Silent Man, are
one song? Personally, I refuse to listen to one of these three alone... But
in any case, A refusal to give a "long song" such as ACoS a chance simply
based on it's length is EXTREMELY unfair to the song, and to the artist.
Give ACoS a chance. Maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't; length is
irrelevant to the quality of the music. While you're at it, listen to the
entire A Mind Beside Itself (Erotomania, Voices, TSM) ... it's quite a
powerful experience in its entirity. (I have no idea whether that's spelled
right or not.)
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 00:02:02 -0500
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsejam Information
Message-ID: <199612010502.AAA02274@wicked>
(IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE SEEING THIS POST, PLEASE
READ IT THROUGH COMPLETELY, THERE IS ALOT OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION)
Hey All ....
Here is my new weekly posting about how to get the most
(or least if you don't like us) out of the ytsejam. This will
be coming out weekly (hopefully) at least for a while since we are
quickly gaining subscribers since school is now back in session.
I may post it less often after a while, but for now, it will be
weekly.
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Thanks for Reading and Enjoy the List!!!
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:07:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Folks, we -are- making a difference :)
Message-ID: <199612020807.AA24030@crl4.crl.com>
A while back, I mentioned that the time was ripe for DT requests to be
made to 96rock here in Atlanta, and posted the phone number and email
addresses. Not sure how many people helped out, but.....
...last week 96rock played DT at least twice, according to friends
who heard them played! ("Pull Me Under" was one song, the other was
probably "Another Day.") This is pretty cool, since I know for a
fact IMAGES AND WORDS had been pulled from the studio at one point and
I don't think they've played DT at all in the last three
years.....until now. :)
The campaign continues; the station number is 404-741-9696 and the
best times to try are probably from 4pm-9pm weeknights and most
anytime Saturday thru Sunday afternoon. Be cool about it and don't
mention you heard this on the Net; it'd be best if they thought you
were a local caller. (Marietta, Lawrenceville, and Stockbridge are
local town names, if they ask you where you're calling from. :))
I'd post their email, but I'm not sure where requests would go. I
have a link to their page on mine
(www.crl.com/~vanyel/coolstuf.html#music ).
Thanks again; I'm pretty happy about this.... :)
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 00:35:50 -0800 From: Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marillion? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961202083550.006704a0@apu.edu>
Could someone compare "Afraid of Sunlight" with the bands other releases. Is it better? Worse? Completely different? I think they have the amazing ability to sound like David Bowie singing with Rush to cover Pink Floyd tunes:) I think they're cool. I wish radio would pick them up. Do they anywhere? How did you all hear of them? I had never heard of them until I started reading the jam. If the other discs are as good as this one I'll just have to go and pick them up.
Eric Hansen <spector> ehansen@apu.edu
YDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTY T T S "There's nowhere to set my aim S E So I'm everywhere" <------ Dream Theater E J "Space-Dye Vest" J A A MDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTM
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:55:07 -0500 (EST) From: Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jason Becker.. Message-ID: <199612020855.DAA24484@vixa.voyager.net>
Well, guess I got my answer before even seeing my post show up on the last jam.
I just can't believe it. I guess I just never thought it would happen :(
And to "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> who posted that poem for Jason... that was beautiful. That definitely brought tears to my eyes.
It is so true.. Jason was more than just a guitarist. I've been into his music for at least 6 years now. I've sent him mail in the past and have gotten responses from him. Including a personally signed picture of him on which he even wrote me a good luck message (since I play guitar too) on the back. I still have that framed and displayed in my room. He was one of my biggest guitar inspirations and I really looked up to him for both his playing and his courage and optimism throughout his illness.
It is just so unfair that such talented people are taken away from us so soon (Jason, Criss Oliva, etc.). And at such a young age... he was only 27.
Please visit his web page if you haven't already at "http://www.guitarists.com". There is also a section in there that tells more about ALS and has a link to the ALS Association. That's a non profit organization dedicated to funding research, patient help, etc. I've been donating to them for the past few years. If anyone can, please donate whatever you can. In his memory. At least it will go to help others who are or will be in his situation.
I'm really glad that he was able to release "Perspectives". That is a great cd, and really a show of all his courage and talent. I will definitely treasure that one always.
Thank you for putting up with the NDTC, but Jason really does deserve acknowledgement. RIP, Mr. Becker...
Take care, Irene
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:21:10 +0000 From: progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KTS CD's Message-ID: <199612020923.UAA11470@mail.mel.aone.net.au>
Hey Jammers, If you are after bootleg CD's checkout KTS web site, they have some DT, Rush, Queensryche, Tori Amos and heaps more. I ordered a week ago and today my Queensryche 2 CD set arrived in the mail from Italy, it is fantastic quality. From my experience they are very reliable, fast and only sell top quality discs, you can order on-line at:
Cheers Graham
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 04:23:45 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2067 Message-ID: <961202042342_773300671@emout03.mail.aol.com>
it's 4 am, and i am in the middle of a 20 page final due in 10 hours, and noticing that this jam came in, i caught the post about the passing of one jason becker, and all i have to say is that i'm very saddened. this brings me back to a day i won't ever forget.
it was 1989. i had just bought my first copy of "guitar player" magazine, and in the centerfold was an ad from carvin guitars, that featured a mini-record of cacophony, entitled "go off." in my stupid 14 year old mind, i was like, "who are those poseurs, with their cute faggot makeup?" well, i got bored one day, and cut out the record, and put it on my record player.
"go off" did to me what listening to "crazy train", hendrix and zappa for the 1st time all did to me- it scared the living shit out of me. i had gotten a small taste of what a guitar sounded like in randy's hands (jimi came later), but that was NOTHING compared to what i heard that february day. all i kept wondering, was "how the fuck can anyone play that fast?" as a starting guitarist, i had the reaction i think a lot of us do- you get compelled to want to put the guitar away forever (i was lucky, i had piano to fall back on, so i wouldn't have felt that bad then), but i thought about it, and i learned one of my first lessons about being a musician.
no matter how hard you sit and practice, someone will always come along, and drag your head through the ground and shove his guitar head up your ass. so you can't just assume you're god on the guitar (or any other instrument), otherwise you'll be the next one saying, "thanks jason- now get your dick out of my ass, please."
i knew then that i'd never play like THAT crackhead, but i figured if i gave a shit about music for real, that wouldn't really matter.
i used to wonder alot about where he'd be today if he hadn't gotten ALS. i mean, he had that david lee roth gig happening. would he have been bigger than eddie? than bafu's namesake? we'll never know now.
notice that soon after jase was out of the roth picture, roth's solo career went down the shitter. i mean, he pulled out steve hunter! steve who?!?! yeah, whatever....no diss to him, but come on, let's be real now.....
when someone gets a disease as serious as the one he had, i guess as much as you try to deny it inside, that a day like this was going to happen. as sad as it is, in some ways it's definitely good to know that he (and his family too) ain't suffering anymore, and hopefully he knows that he left amidst a crowd of people who loved him (said family and friends), and another crowd of people who were amazed by what he had to say musically (the legions of guitarists and assorted musicians, some of who, like myself, are on this very ytsejam).
i guess he's off to the great gig in the sky, probably hanging out with randy and jimi and stevie ray and miles and fz and oliva and kurt and 'trane and freddie mercury and lennon and ella and a whole other bunch of people i have foolishly neglected because it's 4:20 am and i've been up for about 40 hours straight trying to argue of all things, for marxism.
fly on, little wing.
**************************************************************** david kobayashi wildkoba@aol.com dkoba8375@aol.com
"my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix
"through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung ****************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 07:18:06 -0400 From: Stan Tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: no more tip toeing thru the tulips for tim Message-ID: <32A2BAEE.603D@earthlink.net>
what a sad day, tiny tim has died, the all time king of the one hit wonder career has left us. no more tip-toe thru the tulips for tim, approxamate age was guessed at 67............... -- Stan Tyszka drums and bass sstys@earthlink.net stys@hotmail.com (((This Space For Rent)))
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:21:41 +0100 (MET) From: "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Song Lengths Message-ID: <51704.H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
> On a different note, how many fellow jammers feel that long songs can > get boring. I really haven't formed an opinion on "A change of seasons" > because I tend to avoid long songs. After "Inagaddadavidda" or however you > spell it I lost interest in long songs. Does anyone agree? > Personally, I feel that ACoS is too short. I always hate it when the song's over, so I always play it at least two or three times in a row. ACoS is build up from seven different parts, so it's just like seven single songs really. What's the difference? To me, the longer a song, the better. If a song sucks, then it gets boring, but then I mostly find it boring after one minute already, so I skip it anyway. WW /__\ | oo | Groeten! (|_()_|) \__/ +-------------------------+ /|\/|\ | H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl | |||||||| +-------------------------+ Bert
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 96 08:32:29 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <32a2e87c671c002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> He's a very popular New Age artist, and I am not trying to derogate
I think you mean denigrate? I haven't heard "Derogate" before.
> I'm wondering if this phrase "sixes and sevens" means something, or > if it's a UK thing, or what. Any ideas? Anyone?
To be at sixes at sevens means to be very unsettled, or stormy, as in your mental state or attitude towards something.
-Brian
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6521 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Empty-Handed You Go Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961202070144.15636H-100000@dante25.u.washington.edu>
> From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> > Subject: Bafu... > > Huh, Huh, that was smaart wurds... huh huh Makes me feal funny... > huh huh.... Wernt that smarrt?
Only with the suffix "-assed."
> Hey, Bafu... I know I haven't been around long, but I still remember > you from a long time ago. You've lost the touch, man. No one cares > about your asinine comments anymore like they used to. They used to be > funny, but you're starting to go a bit overboard. Each "witty" > comeback digs you deeper into your own grave you've been burying > yourself in. All you seem to be doing is making more enemies. This > isn't the place to be making enemies, and if that's what you want then > go kick everyone off of IRC or something. This isn't a flame exactly, > I'm just setting things straight. At least try not to bash more than > one person at a time, K? :) > > (Ducking...)
Hey, Ibanez... Let's talk about my "touch."
How how exactly do I put this...
Ytsecon II disturbed me. (Yeah, last year.) Yes it was fun meeting everyone, but all of a sudden I was in a situation where I was surrounded by people who had an image of me that was mostly what I wasn't. People expected me to have purple hair and facial piercings. Tattoos. Loud clothing. A lot of the people in that Holiday Inn wanted me to backflip into the room and bounce around like Jim Carrey. Someone knelt down and asked to be dubbed into the Order Of Fucking Idiots, which was humorous, but I was kind of on-edge the whole time I was there, seeing so many people taking "Bafu Vai" to such an extreme. By the time we had migrated to the McDonald's, I felt like David Koresh. And I wasn't comfortable.
I'm a struggling college student who's presently locked out of his major because a huge chunk of the School of Communications at UW was canned last year, so now thousands of students are racing for about twenty classes. I play a little guitar, about an hour every two or three days. I'm no Steve Vai. I write an awful lot (words, not music). But most relevant to Ibanez' comments, I'm not always humorous, and I'm not always in a good mood. This humorous, perpetual state of giddiness was what everyone at that convention had implanted into their minds as to who I really was, and when I ran into that I was stunned. I didn't know what to think.
In the months that followed YCII, I found myself posting a lot of stuff that I didn't feel that great about. Posts that fit the description of the connotations the name "Bafu Vai" carried with it, but posts that did not really translate as Me. Over the summer I got to think about this a bit, having three months away from all mailing lists, and figured out that I just didn't like the whole situation. I'll keep signing my posts as "Bafu Vai" because I still think of it as a simple nickname. <<<Empty-handed, you go.>>> But the image that I'm some kind of jester who never speaks truthfully and interacts with other people solely to push their buttons obviously isn't going to disappear just because I'd like it to. This becomes a problem when I get involved in a flame-war. Half the people don't take me seriously at all. The other half takes me TOO seriously.
I'm not going to back down if someone starts insulting me without first asking for truth. No one e-mailed me with attempts to find out if what they thought was happening actually WAS happening, if what I said was what they THOUGHT I meant with that post regarding why there are so few women into progressive metal in comparison to men. They just opened fire. I can't express enough how stupid I think this is.
It pisses me off that 90% of the people who communicate through e-mail are expressing attitudes they don't exercise in real life. Over the summer I realized I was partially guilty of the same thing by posting humorous, happy things that weren't (at the time) stemming from a humorous, happy life. Last year I was in accounting, economics, algebra, law, and calculus all at the same time. I was thrashing myself in all aspects of what I was doing. I lost a portion of my skill on the guitar because I never had time to practice. (Ever try playing a song or technique and suddenly find that the chops you once had just aren't there? Ouch.) When I did get a chance to practice, I found that I was unable to focus. I no longer enjoyed the guitar. I stopped enjoying playing music altogether. But I did start to really connect with the lyrical content of Alice In Chains' self-titled album.
Yet here I was, writing things that were the total opposite of what I was feeling.
Taking all this into account over the summer, I decided to just be who I was, expressing what I felt instead of maintaining this useless circus clown image. Life's a lot better now than it was last year when I was trying to enter the School of Business, but that doesn't mean I'm automatically going to make everyone happy every time I post something.
If I ever meet RipZero, I don't think he'll be wearing overalls covered with pictures of cows, brandishing a pitchfork, munching on a stalk of wheat. This sarcasm is a constant. But I'm not going to continue upholding an image that just isn't me. No one should have to do this. I didn't choose it and it doesn't fit. You think I'm "out of character" when I speak philosophically or when I torch people for saying things I disagree with? Wake the fuck up.
> No one cares about your asinine comments anymore like they used to.
Really? I don't watch Monty Python because I don't find it amusing. Stop paying so damn much attention to something that doesn't interest you.
"The child will crawl to find you." --Dream Theater
Bafu Vai
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