YTSEJAM Digest 2072
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Stuff and things
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
2) Saviour Machine III and rerelease in Jan 1997
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
3) Support your local Search and Rescue unit -- get lost.
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
4) Request NEW HAVEN TIX!!!
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
5) No DTC, Difference between the Ibanez JS-1000 and the JS-1
by The Silent Screamer <tritt@eden.rutgers.edu>
6) Prog metal: why only "popular" in England?
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
7) TOOL
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
8) issues and answers and lions and tigers and bears
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
9) I have an extra ticket to New Haven...
by Allen Karger <akarger@bu.edu>
10) Mulcahy's
by guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer)
11) Re: Girlfriends and Dream Theater
by Jeff Forte <araby@ix.netcom.com>
12) Re: Prog metal: why only "popular" in England?
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) CD player
by evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
14) Eric Johnson
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
15) Preshow in Poughkipsie????
by BLevy@aol.com
16) WTF?
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
17) Re:...and more lyrics
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
18) Alexis Surfordie..
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
19) Splatter this, buddy! :)
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:38:36 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Stuff and things
Message-ID: <v02130501aeca313d6488@[128.32.100.59]>
For all you Shadow Gallery and Magellan fans. Magna Carta is
re-releasing both of their first CD's in limited quanities either this
week or next. So get your local CD store to order you a copy today.
These are different from Impending Acention and Carved in Stone (I think
that is the name) right? If they are, what are they called and what are
their prices?
-Shane
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Don't Just Stand There Impressed!
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shane liebling Peninsula Emperors Member
jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu Jusenkyonet Member
http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:34:08 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Saviour Machine III and rerelease in Jan 1997
Message-ID: <v01520d00aec9f83587af@[207.90.116.106]>
I just read that Saviour Machine is releasing their third LP around Jan 1.
It's the first of the trilogy to be released next year. I'm not sure on
the title, yet; but something like "Saviour Machine III" wouldn't surprise
me.
Also, they are re-issuing their indie demo CD, entitled "Saviour Machine."
It has the same name as their Intense Records debut, but it only has 2-3
songs in common. The other stuff is different.
More info once I find out.
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 20:36:15 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Support your local Search and Rescue unit -- get lost.
Message-ID: <32A48F3F.3F54@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> Take Care everybody and we hope to meet some of you soon !
> Marcel Coenen
There's a simple solution to that: start touring here is the US......
soon! :)
> Rush vs. Dream Theater?
at the end of triple OT, the game ends in a tie...
> how many fellow jammers feel that long songs can get boring.
*lack of conciseness (among other things :) alert*
I find I don't always need to sit down and pay close attention to ACoS
the whole way through (this holds true for me when it comes to other
well composed tunes of length). I can be putzing around the house tuning
in and out to sections of the song. A nice side effect of this I've
discovered is that you can isolate the section out of the context of the
entire song; and in so doing, I'll hear something differently or
something new in a section on subsequent hearings. I fuckin' love that!
No lyrical cohesion, no connecting one
In short :), Tull did say it best:
"Life's a long song, but the tune ends to quick for us all"
> when someone gets a disease as serious as the one he [Jason] had,
When bad things happen to good people:
Speaking from experience losing my Mom to Alzheimer's, it's probably one
of the worst ways to lose someone: with the very essence of their being
stripped slowly! This is in no way meant to diminish the intensity of
ANY loss. I guess where I'm trying to come from is that when someone go
quickly, yeah it hurts, but for some reason, the grieving process
usually subsides quicker. When someone very close to you is there right
in front of your face but you can't make "contact", it's worse than
torture. Believe me when I say that it's better now for him and all
around him. Sorry about being so damn depressing, but it hit close to
home :(
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:58:08 +0000
From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Request NEW HAVEN TIX!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.961203165459.28381A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
I am in need of 3 New Haven Tickets...
Strawberries Music Store has informed me that Toad's Place has sold out.
If anyone is willing to sell me three tickets, PLEASE get in touch with
me as SOON as you can so we could work out a deal....
Thank You!
//######################################################\\
// Jim Lutz "Time was never on my side, \\
// So on I wait my whole lifetime" \\
// lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu -Metallica \\
// YtseJim@DreamT.org \\
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 17:27:59 EST
From: The Silent Screamer <tritt@eden.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No DTC, Difference between the Ibanez JS-1000 and the JS-1
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.849652079.tritt@er5.rutgers.edu>
Hey guys,
Quick question: Does anyone know what the difference is between the Ibanez
JS1000 and the JS-1? From the specs of both I see no difference.
Thanks,
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tritt@eden.rutgers.edu "Like a scream but sort of silent"
screamer@dreamt.org - John Petrucci
Dori Tritt Only 12 Days To The Birch!! (???)-???-????
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 19:30:45 -0500
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog metal: why only "popular" in England?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961204003045.2d27ba0a@pop.negia.net>
Greetings, Ytsejammers (tm)...
I was looking over the band names that I've gleaned from this list, and a
couple of things struck me. First of all, prog metal bands have really cool
names! Anacrusis, Watchtower, Elegy, Eldritch, Nevermore, Stratovarius,
Shadow Gallery, Ashen Dawn, Waltari, Skyclad, Therion, and of course Dream
Theater -- these are some cool-sounding names.
Secondly, it became apparent (when I went searching for output by these and
other bands) that many of these groups had only released stuff in Europe or
were only popular in Europe, making it hard to find stuff here in the U.S.
Why is it that progressive music in general, and prog metal in particular,
seems to have so much trouble catching on here in the U.S.? Aren't U.S.
audiences discerning enough to know good music when it hits them? Or is it
just that it hasn't hit them yet because there's no real airplay for prog
metal over here (with the obvious exception of the 'Jammer who has his own
weekly prog-rock show -- sorry, guy, I don't remember your name!) ?
Any ideas? How can I go about finding stuff from these and other bands?
CDNow, the place where I go for most of my hard-to-find stuff, doesn't have
anything by most of these bands, and that means it must be just about
impossible to find in your average record store.
Comments, thoughts, opinions?
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net * Millennium * Frasier * Star Wars*
* Glass Hammer * Dream Theater * Rush * David Arkenstone * Joe Satriani *
"Music is enough for a whole lifetime --
but a lifetime is not enough for music." -- Rachmaninoff
* Detective Comics * Leave it to Chance * Cerebus * Astro City * Azrael *
****IN MEMORIAM: JASON BECKER 1969-1996. Rest easy, Jason.****
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:56:33 -0800 (PST)
From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TOOL
Message-ID: <199612032356.PAA22946@pawn.ax.com>
Anyone heard the new TOOL yet? Its one of the best albums of the year in my
opinion. Anyone else feel that way? Anyone heard Ani DiFranco's Dilate? That
goes on the list of best albums too. Just wondering.
Also- I believe the intro to Change of Seasons is played clean on electric.
He had the same tone live playing it on electric 7 string. (Just for whoever
was saying its a detuned 6 string)
Finally got my pictures developed with Portnoy and Derek from his party. I'm
showing them off to everyone.
Mike Washkevich
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:57:26 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: issues and answers and lions and tigers and bears
Message-ID: <32A4BE66.63DE@mailstorm.dot.gov>
My mind was beside itself earlier in the day dream and I was trying to
recall some obscure stuff which came out a while back was was fairly
heavy for its time and (though probably not anything to scare off all of
you maniacal, axe murdering, mosh pitting, jammanoids :) might still
raise an ear or two. Well, deep in the bowels of my ever fading memory,
came a section of a song but I can't put a title/artist on it. About all
I can somewhat remember are the following lyrical chunks:
"So you think you'll take another piece of me, to satisfy your
intellectual need. Do you want, do you want, action, action......" then
some other
verse I can't remember then something like "Liar, Liar..."
Any takers on this? I hope I can find this out. You heard something long
ago and never got the album; but there's still enough of a pathway to
long-term memory, so it must have left some impression.
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:00:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Allen Karger <akarger@bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I have an extra ticket to New Haven...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612031831.A175146-0100000@acs2.bu.edu>
hey there,
One of my party just dropped out and so I have an extra ticket to
the New Haven show this friday. The price is $15 (what we paid
ticketmaster) or the best offer that I get.
If any of you are looking for a ticket let me know
Adios,
Allen K.
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:53:10 -0400
From: guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mulcahy's
Message-ID: <v01530500aeca6cca33ab@[169.132.80.76]>
Hey guys,
I'm going to see DT at Mulcahy's on Thursday and I was just wondering if
any of you have been there before. Is it really crowded? Is the stage
big? Do I have to get there 40 hours before the show starts or can I get
there on time? Are the guys at the door assholes? If someone could answer
some of these questions, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Robb
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 19:58:10 -0500
From: Jeff Forte <araby@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Girlfriends and Dream Theater
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19961203195303.00689bec@popd.ix.netcom.com>
>>I got a problem that I hope a few of you maybe able to help me out. I
>>asked my girlfriend to go see Dream Theater with me at Birch Hill in a
>> 2 weeks. She said yes (after some convincing) but now she is trying to
>>back out of going. She says she isn't into Dream Theater at all...or >any
>>type of that music. SHe is into club music and all. SHe hasn't really
>>listened to DT that much. SO my question is...how do I get her to >really
>>want to go and have a good time while she is there??? I would >appricate
>>the ladies here to help me out as well. Thaks a million!!!! Later!!
>
I ran into a similar problem with my girlfriend and the upcoming NY rush
shows (Less than two weeks!!!!!!!!!!!! :)) I tried to get her to go, and
Ill even admit that I bugged her a little about it, not very much. She
doesnt like rush really....she will put up with it when Im around and will
even admit that they are not unbareable. Think about it....have you ever
been to a concert with a REALLY bad opening act and there was nothing more
that you wanted then to get the band off the stage. They were loud and
basically in your opinion BAD. She would most likely feel that way through
the whole concert if she doesnt like DT. MY feeling is that you shouldnt
force her to go if you think she wont have a good time. The above
especially holds true if the conditions are anything like I have heard
about Birch Hill. I dont know, Ive never been there, but all Ive heard are
complaints about the overcrowding.
Later
Chambers
Jeff Forte
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araby@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 21:03:12 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog metal: why only "popular" in England?
Message-ID: <32A4DBE0.7D4A@caribe.net>
Phil Carter wrote:
>
>
> Why is it that progressive music in general, and prog metal in particular,
> seems to have so much trouble catching on here in the U.S.? Aren't U.S.
> audiences discerning enough to know good music when it hits them? Or is it
> just that it hasn't hit them yet because there's no real airplay for prog
> metal over here (with the obvious exception of the 'Jammer who has his own
> weekly prog-rock show -- sorry, guy, I don't remember your name!) ?
>
Well youve hit the thing right in the head.. at least thats my
guess.. European and Japanese people still can recognize good music..and
are less atracted by trendy music altogether..thats what i think about
when i see the Dt live videos from Japan ..w/ lots of people.. if im not
mistaken Dt sells more in europe than in the US right? ... I guess they
have a more individual sense of tastes..
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:07:40 -0600 (CST)
From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD player
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961203190653.5073A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
Can someone email me with the URL of where to get that Windows 95/NT CD
player that has all the DT lyrics in it?
Thanks in advance,
Evan
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:27:07 -0700
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Eric Johnson
Message-ID: <199612040130.SAA14056@snowden.micron.net>
>What happened to ytse-Ben?
I talked to him a while back and he in response to me asking why he doesn't
post, he said: "I keep forgetting." I guess take that for what it's
worth.
I recently picked up Venus Isle. This is my first EJ CD so I wasn't quite
sure what to expect. WARNING! The following is based on my opinion of
styles of music, not how good/talented someone is.
I find music by satch and vai to be much more enjoyable. EJ isn't nearly
as aggressive as the other two, which isn't all bad, but when you go a
whole album without really cutting loose at all, it just gets a bit boring.
His voice reminds of Stevie Wonder. Granted, it's probably better than
Satch's voice, but Vai has him beat easily. He does get all over the
fretboard when he solos, which is cool. Not to be discriminating, but I
think the fact that he plays Strats makes me not like him as much. I
realize that this is closed minded, and I'm usually a very open-minded and
positive person, but I just hate the tone of Strats. Maybe for some
occasional percussive noises or fills, which can actually be quite
effective, but a whole song or album using a Strat is a big turnoff. He
also needs to invest in some distortion pedals, or at least a few lessons
on how to step on them. I was wondering if he'd ever get a decent crunch
sound.
Although it may not seem like it, I actually do like this album quite a
bit, even after only 2 listens. I just think it could have been better.
All IMHO of course, so if you must flame, at least be intelligent about it,
since I tried to be.:)
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:39:16 -0500
From: BLevy@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Preshow in Poughkipsie????
Message-ID: <961203203916_673575641@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Hey All,
Well, everything seems to be coming together for the show tomorrow night, I
have made arrangements, and spoken to 3 other jammers (who I have never
met!!). 3 of us are driving up from NJ, and a fourth is coming by train. The
one thing that we have not heard anything about is a preshow gathering. In
an attempt to avoid rush hour delays, I have suggested that the three of us
who are driving get up to NY mid afternoon and possibly catch a movie (Star
Trek Anyone??), but I want to make sure that we are not missing out on some
hidden cache of Jammers who will be hanging out nearby. If ANYONE has any
info on a get together before the show, please e-mail me personally ASAP. I
will be able to check my mail as late as about noon.
See y'all there!!!
Brian.
In CD Player DT--LaTM
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:07:37 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WTF?
Message-ID: <199612040218.TAA00882@cyberhighway.net>
Sorry to post this here, but I must...
James Jackson if you are on this list, I hate you for beating me to
the Dance of Eternity CDs at the Music Exchange. :)
Is OK, though. Chris is ordering me one today. Woo! Woo!
Laterz, dude!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:25:42 -0700
From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:...and more lyrics
Message-ID: <v02130501aeca7f57f8b3@[128.32.100.59]>
I wanted to address R. Hailey's discussion of lyrics, and of other
things. I too feel that there is a neccesity of good lyrics in music,
because I know I hate hearing stupid mainstream songs talking about surface
problems and the like. This I think is one of the reasons why we listen to
DT and other prog, we feel that we are going to find more in this music
than just something to pass the time with, and I think we do. It is always
amazing to me when I find someone else who listens to DT or prog, because
there is this instantanious link between you and them.
There is another side of the picture though, and that is the
"music" itself. Sometimes music is music, even if there are bad or stupid
lyrics, it is still music and worth listening to. This is especially true
for musicians out there, sometimes you can find incredible guitars or drum
work while listening to some of the worst lyrics ever, but does this mean
you don't like it?
Finally I would like to address the problem of understanding. I
will say that sometimes it is difficult to understand some lyrics, heck
sometimes I have trouble with some of DT's lyrics, but that does not mean I
discount it as without meaning, I just say that I am going to need to
listen to it a few more times in order to understand it. This also goes
with Hailey's example of Joyce's Ulysseys. It may be difficult to
understand, but it is also hailed as one of the greatest literary works of
this century. Shakespeare is hard to get through, but I think we all know
that he was the greatest playwrite of all time. A bit hard to discount him
just becaus he is hard to understand.
So take another listen to some of those difficult songs you have
found, and delve, see if there mighht be something you might have missed.
Then again it might actually just be gibberish!
-Shane
PS: Just listened to aCoS again, boy that is a damn cool song. Go Mike!
______________________________________________________________________________
Don't Just Stand There Impressed!
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shane liebling Peninsula Emperors Member
jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu Jusenkyonet Member
http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:01:47 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Alexis Surfordie..
Message-ID: <32A4F7AB.1EBC@caribe.net>
Alexis please email me..i lost your email adress and telephone number..
--
We Can Learn from the Past,but those Days are Gone...
We Can Hope for the Future,but there may not be One...
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WowoW Hooo Wowow Hooo Wowow hooooooooo!! -Devin Townsend
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:32:06 -0500
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Splatter this, buddy! :)
Message-ID: <19961204043156895.AAC140@mail.fxn.com>
>YT> Yes, I think Kurt did suck, but I have some problems with that respect
>YT>part. It's hard to respect an "artist" that scribbles on a pad with a
>YT>purple crayon, and for me, it's tough to respect a "musician" that
>YT>pretty much does the sonic equivalent.
>
>I used to think exactly the same way. Now, even with an excellent Art
>Appreciation course under my belt, I realize that I have no idea what
>Jackson Pollack was doing. It is much more realistic for me to believe
>that one day I'll be an authority on music, instead of an authority on art. I'm
>not going to say that Pollack's work was garbage, nor will I say that
>about the work of Cobain.
>
Ah... another catalyst for the age old debate over what's considered art and
what's considered garbage. In case you're not familiar with this JP, he's
the guy that became famous back in the 50's for taking cans of paint and
hurling them at a huge canvas and splattering paint in a seemingly haphazard
manner. You can mention his name and most people would respond with, "Who?"
But when you say that he did all those splatter paintings, they'll say, "Oh,
him!" But anyways...
I'm not going to share my opinion on Jackson Pollack. Mostly because I
really don't have one. But I'll say this much. It must be a hell of a lot
of fun to take a bucket of paint and hurl it at a canvas and let it splatter
everywhere. I'm sure Mr. Pollack had an absolute blast creating his
paintings. Sometimes the fun an artist has in the act of creation (creation
in the biblical sense is quite fun too ;) is translated to the viewer, or in
the case of music, the listener. How many times have we said things like,
"You can tell Mike P. is having a blast up on stage, banging away on those
drums like a maniac and that energy translates to the audience... blah blah
blah." And having fun is an honest pursuit, don't you think? And honesty
is good in art and music, isn't it?
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
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