YTSEJAM Digest 2106
Today's Topics:
1) Providence Show
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
2) asswipes and other crap
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
3) Stanley Jordan
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
4) numbers of fun
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) tambre, your own private evening with dt, providentia, you can call me RAY
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
6) jazz for Dream Theater fans
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
7) curfew laws
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
8) Glass Hammer
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
9) Birch Hill.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
10) IRC Server / Dreamt.org Accounts ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
11) Boot: Mind Control
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) Re: keyboards/music
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
13) coupla questions
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
14) Christmas Presents
by Flash <bsheehan@black.clarku.edu>
15) Re: Guitar vs. keyboard
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) Fri 13th & Record Labels
by "Mikko Kalermo" <kalermo@dreamt.org>
17) Re: CD ROM, Seven Strings
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
18) Good Jazz for DT Fans
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:19:45 -0500
From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Providence Show
Message-ID: <32B1C871.45D6@net1plus.com>
Last night I was once again thrilled by DT, but not without the
usual annoyances that go with good shows.
I noticed that there didn't seem to be nearly as much 'Jammers
as usual. Actually, it seemed there were more fans of cheap beer than
DT. There were about four really bulky *dumb* guys that, right before
DT got on, started charging their way up front. They were the epitome
of crude. They were beyond wasted. They reminded me of a bunch of 14
year olds who after getting their first ever buzz off of a a couple of
beers, decide the next time to see how much they can handle, only to go
way overboard and make fools of themselves. They just kept shouting
FUCK over and over again and making no sense whatsoever. When DT took
the stage, they started hitting people-- not just moshing, but PUNCHING
people in the the back of the head. This infuriated me. I let two
young DT fans (13 & 14) tag along with me for the show and and I had to
get one of them out of the front so he wouldn't get hurt ( and I wasn't
even two feet from the stage too!).
Once I cooled off, I began to enjoy the show. This was my
second "Fix" show so I was already slightly familiar with the new
material. I tried so hard to listen tho the lyrics, but I just couldn't
make most of them out. My favorite is a tie between "Just Let Me
Breathe" and "Peruvian Skies". The intro to "Lines in the Sand" is
quite proggy. On the whole, the new stuff grooves and is very hard-
edged. I also love CIA9ITG! I didn't here anyone else shout "Please
Don't Go" during ACOS. That was kind of disappointing.
Hope all you guys hve a blast at Birch Hill tomorrow!
- Jon Dery
Btw: Someone talked about a couple of wierd people at the front of the
line. You must of been talking about the two youngsters that I let come
with me. You're right, they were a little immature, but weren't we all
at that age?!
"Under Peruvian Skies... The story unfolds in her eyes" -JP
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:31:35 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: asswipes and other crap
Message-ID: <199612132125.PAA14964@Walden.MO.NET>
>As opposed to the intelligent asswipes, like the one the DT Fanclub
>is sending out that came straight form Petrucci's toilet.
Man, now you gave it all away. And I was going to keep it a surprise
for all the DTIFC members that haven't gotten it yet.
Anyway, that aside, At the gas station, after I was done filling my
tank, I realized that the meter read $21.12. Pretty kewl.
Hey, I've got 3 RipZeros, but only one special cow accessory weapon
pack. Anybody got some extras they want to trade?
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:36:36 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stanley Jordan
Message-ID: <0mgQlY200YUg0HtV80@andrew.cmu.edu>
and if you're interested in that, check out anyone who plays the
Chapman Stick or Warr Guitar. these instruments are designed for
exactly that, the ability to accompany yourself on bass and rhythm
guitar. there are some sound files of my playing on my web page,
although not great ones.
check out http://clever.net/stick/stickwire and
http://www.warrguitars.com
jordan was in contact with chapman for a while, but was apparently
told by record execs that he needed a more normal looking instrument
if he wanted to get big.
williambajzek|wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu|http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/
twobirdsonestoneonechanceisthrowndon'tmakemistakestwothievesstrungupon
eknifeonecuttwodoorsoneshutonefightonewayoneroadtotakewestandandwaitfr
omcooltowarmfromdusk'tildawnfromfluxtoformkneelingontheroadtograceland
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:48:42 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: numbers of fun
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961213214842.006f1770@mail.inlink.com>
>
>So, the long-awaited Jam 2112 is just around the corner. Does everyone have
>their fingers of the keyboard yet? I bet that when 2111 has come out in digest
>format, 2112 will come within five minutes...but what will we wait after that?
>3233 (Talisman's song)? 30366 (Stratovarius)? Any suggestions?
simple, 2113. :)
>
>Hey, Bafu, I got (count 'em), two Andrew Miller action figures, both
>highly collectable and they don't even look like the same guy!
>Amazing, I bet your GI Joe guys couldn't do this!
hey, is one of those the "death of plants" Andrew Miller? i hear he comes
equipped with bacos and shredded cheese.. its a rare one alright, say,
willing to sell that? ;)
>
>Hey, anyone wanna trade this RipZero with assorted barnyard animal
>accesory for the new and improved Hare Krishna Kevin Moore? :)
just make sure you get an "original" one... here's how to tell if yours is
a fake- on the fake one, the cow has three black spots... the real one has
a real-to-life cow, with one giant white spot encompassing the black giving
the ILLUSION of black spots, the way REAL cows are.
i would trade you, but i've no need for me, i've got me right here.. but i
do have the new "kevin moore: present to past" chia-head.
:)
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 22:05:27 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: YtseSpasmoids <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: tambre, your own private evening with dt, providentia, you can call me RAY
Message-ID: <32B1D327.59E2@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
> Hmmm...I'm not aware of prepared piano on the piece, but neither have
> I looked at the liner notes to the album in a while.
It's a short instrumental with only acoustic pinao and sop. sax. I'll go
dig out the old vinyls and looks up the name. Haven't heard it in a
while...
> From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
> stuff about homegrown DT show...
Great way to make road tunes!
> Cliff Wheaton
> The greatest tool for world peace
> THE INTERNET
Visualize whirled peas :)
> From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu
> From what I've been gathering, their lyrical ability is
> still maturing.
It was fun watching James,John and Mike all signing together, though eh?
> Live, they do this operatic thing that is, well..... wacky.
Brian, care to file a law-suit? :)
> Oh, Skadz and Wacky, WHERE IN THE HELL WERE YA???????
With me :) We did a couple of drive-bys in my pickup with DT blaring.
Most of the poeple in line seemed to be on barbituates as there was a
blank look yet almost no repsonse. LOVE, JUST DON'T STARE...
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
> ..Damon Fibraiour! (fib-RYE-oh? fib-RAY-oh? what ryhmes with those?)
RAY-oh, RAAAAAAY O...daylight come and he won't go home!
> You know how cool a tofu bar wedged between the tuning knobs of a headstock looks?
Hmm....I'm picturing a re-incarnation of Hendrix playing with teeth and
fulfilling a RDA of several improtant vitamins.
> Man, if mentioning the instrument didn't bring such flame-tsunamis, I'd
> open the floor to more diehard guitar-talk...
Go for it, d00d! Nothing outlasts a diehard...
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:14:53 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jazz for Dream Theater fans
Message-ID: <v01540b00aed7852efdf3@[128.197.9.226]>
> ....if there are any jammers out
>there who listen to jazz that would have some good suggestions for jazz
>stuff that a DT fan might like. how's that DiMeola guy? or Schofield?
>i've never heard their stuff but i've heard they're really good. any
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
I'm surprised I haven't seen John McLaughlin mentioned yet. He's
my favorite jazz guitarist; _Electric Guitarist_ is a masterpiece. He was
also the leader of the fusion band Mahavishnu Orchestra; their first two
albums (_The Inner Mounting Flame_ and _Birds of Fire_) are really nice. I
think many people who like Dream Theater will like his work. Mahavishnu
Orchestra is closer to rock, but I actually like parts of _Electric
Guitarist_ better.
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
"Why had she always felt that joyous sense of confidence when looking at
machines?-she thought. In these giant shapes, two aspects pertaining to
the inhuman were radiantly absent: the causeless and the purposeless.
Every part of the motors was an embodied answer to "Why?" and "What
for?"-like the steps of a life-course chosen by the sort of mind she
worshipped. The motors were a moral code cast in steel."
Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:34:17 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: curfew laws
Message-ID: <v01540b01aed788a3cdd1@[128.197.9.101]>
>About the only downside was that, due to some curfew law, they were
>unable to come out for the encore. All you 18-20 year olds, do me a
>favor, would you: GROW UP! :) James' apology was profuse, for certain
>values of profuse, but they promised to make it up to the us. I would
>say it would be a good idea to be at the next show in the Providence
>area (whenever that is)...
Don't tell me to grow up. That was an all-ages show, not just 18+.
The curfew might have been for the people under eighteen (which doesn't
include me). If you really have a problem with that (which I do), blame
the city of Providence and its government for the law in the first place,
or blame the promoters for having too many opening acts, or the second
opening act for playing too long. Don't hold kids responsible; there's no
reason why they shouldn't be able to see Dream Theater also. Put the
responsiblity where it belongs: the promoters, maybe the band for not going
on earlier (or the venue or opening acts). I know what it's like to be
shut out from everything when you're just as big a fan (and even bigger in
many cases) than some of the losers who go to these shows just to drink and
hang out with their "friends."
Of course, if you were just kidding, don't take the above
personally. I just wanted to clarify something that has been in issue with
me for awhile.
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
"Why had she always felt that joyous sense of confidence when looking at
machines?-she thought. In these giant shapes, two aspects pertaining to
the inhuman were radiantly absent: the causeless and the purposeless.
Every part of the motors was an embodied answer to "Why?" and "What
for?"-like the steps of a life-course chosen by the sort of mind she
worshipped. The motors were a moral code cast in steel."
Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:26:12 -0500
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Glass Hammer
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961214002612.2d0f2bb6@pop.negia.net>
Greetings, 'Jammers (tm)...
Walter inquired:
>Any jammers have any of Glass Hammer's CDs? I would like to buy their
>first CD and it has been decribed as sounding like ELP. Also, what do you
>think about the second album? I hear it sounds different than the first
>and it is based on the writings of xian C.S. Lewis.
Glass Hammer is one of the more underrated bands out there. I saw them for
the first time in concert earlier this year at Dragon*Con
(sci-fi/fantasy/comics convention). Based on that *one* performance, I
bought both of their albums.
The first album, "Journey of the Dunadan," is a concept album based on
J.R.R. Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" books. The technology and recording
isn't the best I've heard (had to turn up the volume on my CD player pretty
high to get a decent sound) but the musicianship and songwriting is
EXCELLENT. Lush keyboards, orchestrations, screaming guitars, powerful organ
sounds, and strong bass work, with a narrator providing accompaniment for
some of the tracks, helping to flesh out the storyline. Drums are both
acoustic and electronic, melded together smoothly. Recommended. The vocals
are only average to good, but these guys can PLAY.
The band's second album, "Perelandra," was even better than the first. It's
loosely based on C.S. Lewis's "adult fairy tales" series (_Out of the Silent
Planet_, _Perelandra_, _That Hideous Strength_). The band took advantage of
better technology for this one and it shows. The sound quality is much
better and the mix, which was good on the first album, is even better here.
Glass Hammer manages a very strong keyboard presence (with lots of different
keyboard sounds, some of them layered together to create cool effects) while
still giving the album a harder tinge than the first. The bass guitar has
more punch than on the first album, and the vocals are tighter as well. Most
of the drums are acoustic, though there are some programmed bits here and
there. There are several long songs, "Time Marches On" and "Lliusion" for
example, that have incredible playing almost all the way through. There's
even a neat organ adaptation of Mendelssohn's Fourth Symphony (4th
movement), called "Felix the Cat." Pick this album up *now*. DID YOU HEAR
ME? RIGHT NOW, MISTER!! (and Miss, for the female 'Jammers out there).
Glass Hammer can be contacted by emailing Steve DeArqe (one of the integral
band members) at dearqe111@aol.com, or visiting their webpage at
http://www.mindspring.com/~dgpow/music/soundresources.htm. If you want to
know more about the band's live sound, albums, or want to find out how to
get one or both of these, let me know!
Just my $.89 (inflation, ya know).
Cheers,
Phil
=========================================================
Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net * Millennium * Frasier * Star Wars*
* Glass Hammer * Dream Theater * Rush * David Arkenstone * Joe Satriani *
"Music is enough for a whole lifetime --
but a lifetime is not enough for music." -- Rachmaninoff
* Detective Comics * Leave it to Chance * Cerebus * Astro City * Azrael *
=========================================================
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:18:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Birch Hill.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961213181709.23260A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hiya, Kids.
My ride's just bailled out on me, so i'm in a blah mood. Does
anyone wanna hang out before the show? Whats' up with that FRIDAY'S
GTG? anyone mind givin' me some last minute info?
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"..666 is no longer alone.
he's getting out the marrow in your backbone,
and the seven trumpets blowing sweet rock and roll
gonna blow right down inside your soul.
pythagoras with the looking-glass, reflect the full moon.
in blood, he's writing the lyrics to a brand new tune.."
* * * * * * * * * *
mike ostrich email: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
(c) 1996 happy fun ball, inc. all rights reserved.
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:37:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IRC Server / Dreamt.org Accounts ....
Message-ID: <199612132337.SAA24205@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ...
IRC Server is down for the weekend. It will be back on Monday.
Dreamt.org accts may be a little funny this weekend too. I won't be
able to do anything about it because I will be in NJ :)
Later!
And see ya all at the show!
Skadz
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 19:08:46 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Boot: Mind Control
Message-ID: <9612140008.AA28677@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Saw this in a store, want to know what the consensus is on it. Sound quality,
overall performance. Forget packaging, I don't care. I would want to play
tracks off this on my show if possible. What do you guys think of Mind
Control?
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 19:23:02 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: keyboards/music
Message-ID: <9612140023.AA11600@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
OK. maybe a guitar can provide several ways of evoking emotions and stuff
through different techniques, but keyboards have their advantages as well.
Different patches or sounds, the way patches are programmed, the way somebody
treats each individual patch. Look at Hammond organs alone. They can provide
soft background chords, or you can overdrive the hell out of them and make
them sound just as mean and angry as JP's guitar. I've actually experimented
with distorting the sound of a synth and the results are very crunchy indeed.
There are many ways to approach the mod and pitch bend levers and with ribbon
controllers and touch sensitive strips becoming commmonplace now, more
expression is possible. The instrument alone is not what does it, it's the
person manipulating it. I truely believe that keyboards and guitars are
equal, they have their differences, but they are equal beasts, capable of
rhythm and lead. But, too bad the rest of the world doesn't see things the
way I do.
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:18:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: coupla questions
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961213191154.15350A-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
to bafu:
who's the flamboyant person in Poison, bringing down which talented
musicians??
to the person asking after Di Meola.....he's a god.....definitely look
into the "friday night in san francisco" mentioned into the last
jam......but that trio (mcgloughlin, di meola and de lucia) also have two
other albums together, and many many solo stuff besides......
to all jammers: why does falk keep insisting we all hate him?? Is he
really an asshole? or does he need some help with self-esteem?
Come on, Jeff, repeat after me......"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough,
and doggone it, people like me!"
heard the song "nothing compares 2 U" by sinead o'conner yesterday....and
I LOVE that song.....just thought i'd mention it
partha
(heard madonna's "open your heart" today.....and i like that song too!
the 80's pop movement wasn't ALL bad, y'know)......
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:21:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Flash <bsheehan@black.clarku.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Christmas Presents
Message-ID: <9612140021.AA07488@black.clarku.edu>
Hey Jammers,
I wouldn't suppose there's anyone out there who would part with their
special Christmas gift, would there? I just got around to signing up to
DTIC last month and I'm pretty sure I won't be seeing anything through the
mail. So, if anyone would like to sell theirs, or a cd-r copy of it,
write me back.
-Brendan
bsheehan@black.clarku.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 19:35:12 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Guitar vs. keyboard
Message-ID: <9612140035.AA08862@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
You're all misunderstanding my original post.
My main premise here is not to compare guitarists to keyboardists. My gripe
is why keyboardists get the same respect guitarists get.
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:38:54 +0200
From: "Mikko Kalermo" <kalermo@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fri 13th & Record Labels
Message-ID: <199612140039.CAA30760@master.netti.fi>
Hello Ytseland!
Firday the 13th.. blank Digest (2105)... spooky...
One request: Could you PLEASE mention the record label etc when you
mention some band whose album you've just bought? For example,
I've seen quite many WCIGTR-questions (Where can I get that record?)
Would it be nicer if people wouldn't ask all the time those things?
Well.. At least I'm going to, because here where I live (a small town in
Finland) they don't know anything about some record unless it has
gotten into charts (=techno etc.) in the record store. But if they
knew what label carries the album you're looking for, they could get it.
At least they would try.
Ok, sorry about whining.
Mikko
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* kalermo@dreamt.org *
* http://www.netti.fi/~kalermo/ *
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:54:43 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CD ROM, Seven Strings
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961212205347.29505A-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Steve Borzilleri wrote:
> Does this disc have everything, sound and visual? Is this the one with the
> never-before-seen video clips of Myung screaming and jumping around?
> Petrucci making mistakes? Derek saying "I'm a homo" to the audience?
> LaBrie pummeling someone into oblivion for shouting over his lines?
> Portnoy playing the timpanis with turkey drumsticks WHILE EATING the
> drumsticks? Those were the highlights of the evening, man. If it doesn't
> have those clips, forget it.
>
I just got a Dream Theater Bootleg from italy that features lots of
mistakes, mainly from petrucci...
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:58:02 -0500
From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Good Jazz for DT Fans
Message-ID: <199612140055.TAA00635@mail.trincoll.edu>
Hey guys!
If you haven't checked out Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, you should pick
up one of their albums RIGHT AWAY. Bela Fleck plays acoustic and
electric/synth banjo and he is backed by Victor Wooten on bass and Roy
"Future Man" Wooten on synth-axe drumitar, which is a guitar-looking thing
with drum pads all over it that he uses to play live drum parts.
These guys are not totally jazz, but they're more a progressive
cross between jazz, bluegrass and rock. TO ALL BASS PLAYERS ON THE JAM...if
you haven't heard Vic Wooten, I hate to say it, but he makes Myung look
like a novice. This guy is ridiculous! I'd go so far as to say, overall, he
puts Stu Hamm and Billy Sheehan to shame. He's really melodic and has a
great tone, so check him out. Bela Fleck burns up his electric banjo with
jazz licks as well as many jazz guitarists.
One funny thing about them is that I saw them recently in Hartford
and this guy was getting his picture taken with the bass player. Then a
couple weeks later I saw the same guy sitting on the floor at RUSH. THEN,
last weekend, I saw the same guy again at DT at Toad's place. So these
three bands do have some connection.
If you want to get into them, try their new 2-CD set called "Live
Art." It's got a lot of cool jams and guest artists on it. Or from their
earlier days with Howard "I eat guys like John Popper for Breakfast" Levy
on harmonica and keys, try the album UFO TOFU. It's really cool stuff.
Later guys!
-Mike
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