YTSEJAM Digest 2142
Today's Topics:
1) DT vs. Metallica?
by BeaureA@lskmp002.atsc.allied.com (Beauregard, Adam)
2) Re: producers;stuff
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
3) paul northfield
by WildKoba@aol.com
4) DT is a poor man's Rush
by Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
5) Re: paul northfield
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
6) Re: paul northfield
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) Northfield as producer => Possible.
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
8) Re: paul northfield
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
9) movies
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
10) re: producer
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
11) Slayer vs. Mariah Carey/Rants and raves
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
12) Re: TSO and Angra
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
13) Enchant
by progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au
14) cancellation
by William Kinsley <wkinsley@winthrop.slic.com>
15) Re: TSO and Angra
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
16) NDTC - Paul Northfield
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 05:53:33 -0500
From: BeaureA@lskmp002.atsc.allied.com (Beauregard, Adam)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT vs. Metallica?
Message-ID: <1996Dec27.055100.1122.640669@thorin.atsc.allied.com>
>brother is a huge Mettalica fan....he thinks Dream Theater sucks because
>they have a "faggot singer" Just because James LaBrie's voice is high and
>he actually has a huge range doesn't mean he is a faggot. James
>Hetfield's voice actually sucks im my opinion. *
I happen to really like Hetfield's voice - at least on the albums since And
Justice For All. Before that he tended to sing in a higher pitch, and yell
more. Granted, LaBrie could probably hold tone and pitch better, and maybe
even sing with a choir (hehe, not Hetfield), but Hetfield's voice is more
inclined to very heavy/thrash music. It has an "in-your-face" sound to it.
Kind of like Dave Mustaine's voice. They both come at you with both barrels
blazing, as does their music. DT's music, on the other hand, is so intricate
and complicated, that it requires an accurate singer to compliment it. I
don't think that Hetfield's voice would work on a lot of DT's songs. You know
what I mean? Ever singer is good at a particular style. You have to compare
apples against apples.
Later,
Adam
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 04:46:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: producers;stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961227041431.18709A-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: curth@execpc.com
>
> >>Ok this made me remember a question that Ive had for a long time and
> always forget to post.. why dont they use the guys who produced awake? I
> mean they all seemed happy with the sound they got (the clear drums,cool
> guitars,audible bass,keys were there althou a little low) many bands use
> the same producer over and over..why not use the guys from awake<<
You know, I wondered the same thing myself. There's only 3 reasons I can
think of:
1. Those producers are tied up doing something else.
2. Those producers really hated working on Awake and don't care to
repeat the experience.
3. DT wasn't COMPLETELY satisfied with how Awake turned out, i.e. looking
back on it, they'd like to have done this with that song or that with this
song or whatever, and they wish the producers could have added the input
necessary to "get it right" so now they're gonna get a different producer
so they can "get it right."
Could be anything, I guess.
>
> <sp?> As to where the new album will be recorded, I think a lot of it has to
> do with who is gonna produce it. QR's new one is being produced by Peter
> Collins and since he lives in Nashville now, they are doing half the album in
> Nashville (not that the new one will have a country twang to it) and the other
You never know, man. There could be something in the water over there.
If there is, QR could could end up with that country twang for half that
album.
If it were up to me, I'd stay the hell away from Nashville.
(joke)
Also: it sure is amazing what's happened to the Jam. One week has passed
since I left school for the break and the Jams are crawling one by one
into my mailbox now, as opposed to the flurry I was getting just a couple
of weeks ago.
Last item: does anybody know if MTV is still playing the TSO video?
Younis Hilal-------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:56:44 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: paul northfield
Message-ID: <961227105643_1426046825@emout07.mail.aol.com>
i got bored and looked up who this paul northfield guy is, and i think dt has
made a good choice if this is indeed him. check out this link:
http://www.studiomorinheights.com/artists.html
it's got a list of the musicians who've worked at studio morin heights, and
producers and engineers. and note, this is just the stuff he's done in ONE
STUDIO.
not bad.
ytsegoon
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david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
the new york rangers and the new york knicks: both teams contain what we call
"goons" or "thugs". both teams are doing VERY WELL right now. is it a MERE
COINCIDENCE that i am a diehard fan of both these teams?
hmmmmm...............
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 96 11:10:02 -0500
From: Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT is a poor man's Rush
Message-ID: <304912.ensmtp@tanagraphics.com>
Well, I'd like to start by saying that I hope all the fellow jammers are
enjoying the holiday season. I was at my cousin's Christmas party Wednesday,
when I struck up a conversation with some dude about the Rush concerts. He's
telling me about how he has been following Rush for so long and has gone to
all their shows, and lives 20 minutes from the Meadowlands, NJ but didn't see
them 2 weeks ago. After telling him about my 4th row center experience, I
went on to talk about seeing DT at Toad's the weekend before.
So he's like "Ohhh no NOT Dream Theater. We call them the poor man's Rush..."
I'm like WHAT? WHY? and who's this WE. He goes, "all of us on the Rush
list...""...and, they are trying so hard to be like Rush and are too fancy"
But he didn't think that Rush was fancy. After introducing him to the term
"Progressive Rock" and convincing him that DT is NOT TRYING to be like Rush I
asked him if he has even heard DT's music. He owns Awake and Change of
Seasons. But not I&M. and here's the funny part. I get into an even BIGGER
argument over WDADU 'cause he insisted that I&M was their first release.
Before it got too ugly I just walked away.
Have any of you heard of DT being described by a Rush fan as "A poor man's
Rush"? I know for a fact that many Rush fans ARE DT fans. And at the Nassau
and Meadowlands Rush shows I saw a handfull of "Fix for '96" T-shirts.
Anyway, I just had to get it off my chest. Have a great new year!!!
Rock On,
-Raf-
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:21:06 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: paul northfield Message-ID: <32C42FB2.FFF@caribe.net>
WildKoba@aol.com wrote: > > i got bored and looked up who this paul northfield guy is, and i think dt has > made a good choice if this is indeed him. check out this link: > i dont know about the other bands but the only one i recognized there w/ northfield was I mother earth .any word on the other onee?
Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:22:50 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: paul northfield Message-ID: <32C4301A.259E@caribe.net>
WildKoba@aol.com wrote: > > i got bored and looked up who this paul northfield guy is, and i think dt has > made a good choice if this is indeed him. check out this link: >
sorry.. ehe i looked at his producer credits and not the engineer part.. RUSH!!! whoa..looks like a good choice indeed
Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:34:29 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Northfield as producer => Possible. Message-ID: <199612272134.OAA02213@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Since it's already been blown open on the Jam, even though we weren't supposed to SAY anything about it (grunt, nudge, nudge), I might as well confirm that DT were working on getting Paul Northfield to produce the new album. He did the mixing on Rush's "Moving Pictures". Whether or not he will indeed produce the new DT album is not known at this time.
just in the way of rumour control... - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-0, #2, soon #1!!!
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:57:12 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: paul northfield Message-ID: <199612272207.PAA10496@cyberhighway.net>
http://www.studiomorinheights.com/artists.html
I have to say, besides the Rush albums (which I think Roll the bones was most excellently produced), he did Glass Tiger. :P
They may have been a weak 80's band fer sure, but I really like their sound, and for even back then I think the production was magnanimous. I think this guy is a real good choice. :)
Ever think the maybe the reason the John and Duane were dumped was because mebbe they were trying to take everything out of the band's control? I thought the sound of Awake was almost perfect. These guys did Ozzy's No More Tears, too, which I think has near perfect production. Notice Ozzy didn't go back to them on the last album. (Yet, they played parts in it). I think there's something to these guys we don't know about. Anyway, I think things will be OK. :)
Laterz! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) ibanez@cyberhighway.net "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:09:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: movies Message-ID: <199612272309.SAA22555@web1.america.net>
>right? Well, I think the time is right for the nationwide release of >"Home For The Holidays - The Birch Hill Tapes." I'd pay to see it... > >Mark Peters >big.swifty@twav.com
hell yah Mark! hehehe I wish I had've had a camcorder there to tape all of us crazy jammers up there two weeks ago. Btw, Mark, what time did you get home that night? you can email me privately on that one hehe. see ya,
Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:09:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: producer Message-ID: <199612272309.SAA22559@web1.america.net>
> Does anyone know what other records has he produced? or what bands has >he worked with?? Oh and also didnt labrie say anything about why not >taking John Purdell and Duane Baron(?) ....
Um, I think some people were saying that Paul did a couple of old Rush and/or Queensryche albums...am I right here Pellaz or BigSwifty? I think that's what they were saying...
and no, James didn't say anything about why they didn't choose the same producer, probably because I didn't ask though heh. Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Slayer vs. Mariah Carey/Rants and raves Message-ID: <199612272309.SAA22563@web1.america.net>
>So I don't see any point here arguing who kicks who's ass off the stage. DT >and Met are so different I doubt they'll ever get to share a stage, anyway.
Plus, why the hell do so many people think that to build up a band, they have to try and drag another one down? That's insulting to both bands and unnecessary (did I spel that write?). That's known as a FALLACY...8) hehe It's also comparing apples and oranges like you said...kinda like saying, "Slayer would kick Mariah Carey's ass any day of the fucking week!" hehe
It IS possible to enjoy more than one type of music no matter how hard that may seem to some people (for example, most fans of death metal...). There's no need to get all anal, we all die and rot in the end, might as well "cherish your life while you're still around..."
Words to live by for me.... Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:57:24 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: TSO and Angra Message-ID: <199612280002.AAA70905@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 12/27/96 03:01am -0800
Hi everyone,
I finally got my copy of TSO, it's amazing. I was a bit disappointed that Zak or Jon didn't have any songs on the cd (not counting backing vocals) but still, the singers they had were bloody amazing.
Angra,
Well, I don't know if anyone has ever heard of these guys or for that matter has even heard a few of their songs. I was lucky enough to get one of their cd's yesterday really cheap (normally 30$) and let me put it this way, Imagine DT..and then imagine DT 10times more intense...add some Deep Purple, Queen, Maiden, Fates Warning and Queensyrche and Gamma Ray (alive '95) in..and you have Angra.
The cd I got was called Holy Land...son of a bitch, these guys are the most amazing band I have ever heard. There's alot of percussion, veryu operatic vocals, a REALLY good keyboardist and keyboard sound. Mike Portnoy has met his match as far as this drummer goes, same with Myung and Petrucci, like I said, way more intense than DT and if you think DT are amazing musicians, these guys blow them out of the water. The arrangments are amazing as well. If you get the chance, listen to them and just buy it. If I get the chance I'll make a wav file of some of the songs.
Merry New Year
Mark my smartt.com account is now useless. Please email at either msmeets@ibm.net or msmeets@zeek.murlin.com -- -Check out the new Serenity's End Chat room zeek.murlin.com oprt 8888 -Check out my web site http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM @------>--->--- Some people lose their faith because Heaven shows them to little. Others lose their faith because Heaven shows them too much. - The Prophecy -- I don't believe in coincidence @------>--->--- I guide you through the sea of nightmares called existance and lead you to the sanctuary where a haven exists only to those who have lost hope and this is called earth but to those who have hope, stand alone outside this haven guarding it alone. -M.S. @------>--->--- I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes! W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 13:22:20 +0000 From: progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Enchant Message-ID: <199612280225.NAA14462@mail.mel.aone.net.au>
Hello Everyone, Great news that Magna Carta ARE gonna release Enchant's 'Wounded', about a month ago I e-mailed MC and they told me that they are NOT releasing Enchant's new album. Are they, or aren't they ?? BTW I have a copy of 'Wounded', it is great, I dunno if it's as good as 'Blueprint' (Yet), it is slightly more heavier, and has less keyboards. The track listing for anyone who is interested is: 1. Below Zero 2. Fade 2 Grey 3. Pure 4. Broken 5. Hostile World 6. Look Away 7. Armour 8. Distracting 9. Missing
Happy New Year
Graham
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:32:54 -0500 From: William Kinsley <wkinsley@winthrop.slic.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: cancellation Message-ID: <199612280232.VAA10970@slic.com>
cancel-ytsejam@ax.com for William Kinsley -- wkinsley@slic.com I have been receiving mail on a daily basis. Please cancel future mailings!! Thank You !!!
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 01:09:27 -0500 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: TSO and Angra Message-ID: <32C4B997.686C@caribe.net>
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Mark Smeets wrote: > arrangments are amazing as well. If you get the chance, listen > to them and just buy it. If I get the chance I'll make a wav > file of some of the songs. Whoa, let me know if you do that 'cause I haven't seen them around here and I'd like to see if I'm actually missing something. These TSO .wavs I got are amazing...I only have to find their Cd now :) Oh and my Superior CD is in its way I guess so thanks to Syrinx, Bernd and Raul for helping me out... Well gotta go on with my Tomb Raider...later! Omar Torres
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<DT>Mark Smeets wrote:<BR> > arrangments are amazing as well. If you get the chance, listen<BR> > to them and just buy it. If I get the chance I'll make a wav<BR> > file of some of the songs.<BR> Whoa, let me know if you do that 'cause I haven't seen them </DT>
<DT>around here and I'd like to see if I'm actually missing something.</DT>
<DT>These TSO .wavs I got are amazing...I only have to find their</DT>
<DT>Cd now :) Oh and my Superior CD is in its way I guess so </DT>
<DT>thanks to Syrinx, Bernd and Raul for helping me out...</DT>
<DT>Well gotta go on with my Tomb Raider...later!</DT>
<DT>Omar Torres</DT>
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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 17:12:40 -0800 From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - Paul Northfield Message-ID: <32C5C588.7303@connexus.apana.org.au>
Does anyone know what other records has he produced? or what bands has he worked with??
Death Angel Vain Angel City (Austalia)
just to name a couple off the top of my head
Eddy M Melbourne Australia
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