YTSEJAM Digest 1248
Today's Topics:
1) Move Announcement 2
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
2) DT midi files
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) where in LI is DT from?
by screaming in digital <bdon@wam.umd.edu>
4) stranger web site moved
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
5) A few questions about Birch Hill
by "Richard Karsmakers" <r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl>
6) Looking for DT Tears CD Single
by Ana Gilari <72324.1076@compuserve.com>
7) RE: YTSEJAM dMAINSTREAM DT
by James <james@wolsi.com>
8) sources for WDATU songs?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Help out a Student!!
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
10) Need DT Poster!!!
by toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
11) Acoustic Dreams
by "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@compuserve.com>
12) Essential Prog
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) "Progressive"
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) Re: Prog???
by Syrinx <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
15) Life of a Mailing List (fwd)
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
16) Dream Theater Windows Help File
by jbryer@interserv.com
17) New Iron Maiden
by Chase L Eschauzier <clesc@conncoll.edu>
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:34:24 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: freaks, ytsejam
Subject: Move Announcement 2
Message-ID: <9602060534.AA09483@anthor.arastar.com>
ANNOUNCEMENT 2 -- FEBRUARY 5
AX.COM is nearly ready for the switchover of this list, but there
are still some DNS problems (some sites are still trying to access
it over the slow link). These problems will resolve themselves
(ha ha :) over the next few days. Once DNS settles down we should
be ready for the cut-over.
But since things are still in a state of flux, I'm holding off
on giving instructions on how to subscribe to the other site
until after I've tested everything. I expect that this will
be on Wednesday--if not a new schedule will be printed at that
time.
NEW FILES IN ARCHIVE
I just loaded a small backlog of files into the email archive.
The Daughtery MIDI files are mentioned in his post below and
Michael Bradley's transcription of the "PROView" interview is
also available (the interview can be retrieved by sending:
get ytsejam dshirinian.iview.9601
to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf".
-- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone kbibb@arastar.com Don't discourage me jester@crash.cts.com Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day"------------------------------
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: DT midi files Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9602051006.B4311-9100000@bdmserver>
I've sent the following midi files to Ken Bibb to make available via ytsejam-request:
caughtwb.mid Caught In a Web uagmoon.mid Under A Glass Moon pullme.zip Pull Me Under
To get them send:
get ytsejam caughtwb.mid get ytsejam uagmoon.mid get ytsejam pullme.zip
to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf".
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO DAYTON FLYERS! GO TERPS! ****
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: screaming in digital <bdon@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: where in LI is DT from? Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960201013634.8464E@rac7.wam.umd.edu>
I know that DT is from Long Island, but WHERE in Long Island are they from? Anybody know the name of the town? [sig trimmed] Brandon.....................................bdon@wam.umd.edu "Why don't you tell me what you think of me?" - Ellsworth Toohey "But I don't think of you." - Howard Roark Ayn Rand (The Fountainhead)
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:59:18 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: stranger web site moved Message-ID: <199602010703.HAA90178@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
Hey guys..well, my brief page crisis is over...here is the new site
http://140.141.22.35/stranger/stranger.htm
I'm lucky and very grateful for my friend who let me put it up...only sucky part is, its going to be at that site till May...but in the meantime, I'll find another site, mirror etc.. for now, enjoy and thanks for understandin...
New Dream Theater: Has any of the band said what the new cd will be like? Heavy like awake or more progressive like WDADU or IAW?
Mark [sig trimmed] see my web page at http://140.141.22.35/stranger/stranger.htm
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 16:36:37 CST From: "Richard Karsmakers" <r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A few questions about Birch Hill Message-ID: <59801.r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl>
[The first paragraph comes from a clarification of this post--kbibb]
(When I asked for the songs in between the various tracks at the Birch Hill show, that didn't mean the December show but the June one.)
I have a few questions about the Birch Hill gig that so many of you lucky Ytsejammers went to.
1) When was the Birch Hill date?
2) What is the song played between LSoaD and CiaW?
3) What is the song played between TSM and PMU?
I got the tape the other day and was most chuffed! What a gig. Nonetheless, I would also like to know which of the December 1995 gigs had "Damage Inc." and "Scarred" (preferably both). Any assistance (if you have a tape and are willing to do some kind of trade, please contact me personally).
And just out of curiosity: I am thinking of buying, with a friend, a CD ROM burner (or whatever you call it). Bottom line is that I can then write to special CDs. I am sure you know what I mean. Now I have a few questions about this: Is it possible, given the right software (which should, of course, exist) to duplicate audio CDs with these devices (suck the image on your harddisk, then write it back), even if it takes something lie 70 minutes for a 70 minute CD? And, if this is possible, would there be interest in 1:1 copies of certain CDs like "Subconscious" and "Acoustic Dreams"? Please email me privately if you're interested. If interest is high enough, that might justify me purchasing such a device. I don't know how expensive WROM discs are, but I should think it possible to deliver at a price that ain't too high. Feel free to throw in your $0.02 (if you're going to slag me off for piracy, just spare yourself and me the bother of the message - it is meant as a service to the Ytsejam fraternity and you can rest assure I will do it A) In limited quantity and B) At a really affordable price that won't allow space for a huge profit margin, if any).
Get in touch. [sig trimmed] /=-ooo-=-=ooo=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ | Richard Karsmakers r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ * If you want my PGP public key, mail and ask *
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Date: 01 Feb 96 22:26:50 EST From: Ana Gilari <72324.1076@compuserve.com> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Looking for DT Tears CD Single Message-ID: <960202032650_72324.1076_CHU170-1@CompuServe.COM>
Hi.. Is there anyone out there who owns the rare DT CD Single that contains Tears and that is willing to sell it ? If so, please get in touch with me. Thank you Anabelle
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:40:09 -0700 From: James <james@wolsi.com> To: "'ytsejam@arastar.com'" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM dMAINSTREAM DT Message-ID: <01BAF09B.1775C060@sl3.wolsi.com>
> BUT, I did see Awake I&W and ACoS in Columbia House's music selection, and > [deleted] BTW, I also saw Fates Warning in their,
Both of those bands have been in Columbia House for quite some time. I originally got I&W from Columbia, and that was about 3 years ago. Since then I've gone to other means to get their music, since CH takes too long to get the stuff out.. especially when you're counting the days to the next DT release. But they've always been there.
Another thing I've noticed around here though, is that AWAKE and ACOS have both been on display at a few music stores, in the 'Popular New Releases' section. Which is groovy. :)
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: sources for WDATU songs? Message-ID: <199602011953.OAA10659@umbc9.umbc.edu>
COuld someon (MIke?) please post the sources for the songs off of WDATu? Are they from good CD's like LitS and Doe?
I don't know if I have even posted since the X-mas shows. I wish I could have met more people there, including the band! We didn't know that the band was gonna be inside. We ended up going outside to find the rest of our party and then waiting for a while to see if the band was gonna come out but we got too cold and tired. I can't beleive how packed the place was. It was insane!! If it wasn't for DT putting on a great show, it would have been a totally miserable experience.
See ya all on the new list I guess! [sig trimmed] -- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:58:45 -0600 From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Help out a Student!! Message-ID: <199602011958.NAA66516@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
To all Ytsejam participants.
I, being an avid Dream Theater fan, not to mention a member of this "Underground Progressive Rock Movement", am asking you, Ytsejammers, to lend a helping hand. Not much info in needed from you, but I have a few general questions for you all to answer, and maybe shed some light on the topic I'm working on. I've been assigned a paper for this semester at the University of Wisconsin - Madison. The paper revolves around an industry. The industry I've chosen is the radio industry. My topic is "Progressive Rock in the 90's on the Radio" (or something to that effect). Progressive Rock, as far as I'm concerned, is relatively underground. What I want to do is discover where there are radio stations, in the United States (World coverage would take WAY to long) that play Progressive Rock, including our favorite, Dream Theater. The question is this: What radio station, in your area, plays Progressive Rock on a fairly regular basis? If you can, would those who wish to respond, please send answers to rtgood@students.wisc.edu, with the call letters (WXXX), frequency, and show title, and if possible host name, of the show that plays the music in question, progressive rock, to my e-mail address?? Any other information, either show playlists, industry insights, and so forth (anything that would help a research paper involving the radio industry) would be GREATLY appreciated. From a sincere Dream Theater fan to another, THANK YOU!! Keep progressive rock alive. Please! [sig trimmed] Ryan T. Good rtgood@students.wisc.edu Madison Student Radio - Music Stapher 1-608-264-2268 Progressive Rock/Metal "Just the Heavy Stuff, Please."
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 13:05:48 PST From: toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Need DT Poster!!! Message-ID: <9602012105.AA11114@vector.sdsc.edu>
Hi- I finally got my own office here at work and the walls are looking a bit barren, so I thought what better way to enhance my professional image than to put up some posters of heavy metal bands! ;-) Anyway, what I am trying to say is - I would love to track down a Dream Theater poster - does anyone know how I should go about this? Please reply via email to avoid bugging the rest of the jammers. Thanks very much in advance,
rich
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Date: 01 Feb 96 19:09:58 EST From: "Scott D. Duren" <103430.227@compuserve.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Acoustic Dreams Message-ID: <960202000958_103430.227_JHM293-1@CompuServe.COM>
Does anyone out there have an Acoustic Dreams CD (in new condition) they might want to sell to me?! Or do you know of anyone who might be able to sell me one?! I know i could have it dubbed onto tape but i would much rather have the CD!
Help!! Thanks!! :-) Scott D. Duren
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Essential Prog Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960201225846.5180B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
William Wright brought up some comments on early prog, I think he may be right that many people on here really haven't heard some of this great music that inspired the members of Dream Theater. I thought I would list a few (sorry Ken Bibb, no Peter Hammill reference from me <grin>)
[pH ref: Van Der Graaf Generator: "First Generation" and "Second Generation" they're pretty good for compilations. For actual pH, "Enter K" or "Over" would be good starting places. Also, I prefer "Selling England by the Pound" over "Foxtrot" and "Discipline" and "Red" over ItCotCK :)--kbibb]
Band Album ---- ----- King Crimson In the Court of the Crimson King
This album is one that defined progressive music and is quoted by many as one of the first truly "progressive" albums. It kinda takes classic rock and elevates it with jazz leanings and the crazy lyrics of Pete Seinfeld.
Gentle Giant Octopus
Some of the most complex rock music ever made. Lots of counterpoint, clever instrumentation and orchestration. Harmonic vocals, wierd lyrics, these guys were tight and powerful. For those who have heard echolyn, there is a little bit of a parallel, though the Giant was 20 years ahead of echolyn.
Yes Close to the Edge
The definitive album by the masters of precision. Yes created music that was popular and symphonic, with elements of rock, heavily composed and with talented musicians. The 20 minute Close to the Edge is a masterpiece of work.
Genesis Foxtrot
This album contains a Genesis that few know. Peter Gabriel was the lead vocalist, Phil Collins was just the drummer, and a great drummer at that. They wrote songs about ghosts, battles, the poor, and they had a great witticism about them. The music was trendsetting. Check out the 23 minute "Supper's Ready".
and there are many others, but these are a few "essentials" that I recommend. Note that I didn't say any of these were metal and they aren't. I personally need to pick up some more of the great trend setting metal (Deep Purple, Black Sabbath) that influenced Dream Theater.
Later,
Mike
*Mike Backof **** mbacko1@umbc.edu *** http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 * *Inferno Home Page ******* http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html* *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page ******************* Support ********* *http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html ****** Local Bands *******
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 21:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: "Progressive" Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960201214024.155639A-100000@homer27.u.washington.edu>
> From: GuitarM16@aol.com > Subject: Definition of Progressive Rock? > > Can someone please come up with a good definition of progressive rock so > that I can use it in the future to explain to people what it is?
Good question. Back in November of 1995, two definitions were suggested by two strange fellows who went by the names of Ytse and Jam. Each definition represented a different school of thought as to the meaning of the word "progressive." What follows is an excerpt of their debate. See which one you agree with:
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Jam: What? You probably don't even know what "progressive" means! Ytse: Sure I do. It encompasses a form of music in constant motion and change, with the band shifting in its sound and song-structure from album to album. Lyrical themes involve the mind, communication, how people react with one another, and various poetic metaphors for life itself. Time signatures shift unexpectedly, and occasionally the song-length gets up past 8 minutes, making it rather radio-unfriendly. J: Are you finished? Y: Other than that, progressive music is challenging to the listener, because it's unlike any other form of popular music in the world today. J: WRONG!! Prog-rock is all about modes and scales! You have to study music theory and be able to play jazz and classical music to understand it!
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Well, there's my [currency devalued. --kbibb] on the issue. Anyone else?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:25:03 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Prog??? Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960201172206.21454A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
There was a post about "what is prog?", and i had this sitting in an e-mail in my mailbox, so i thought, for the humour of it, i'd give it to you guys,a and lemme know what you think.
> >How exactly do you define progressive rock? > > I loved this reply which appeared in the Letters column in the September > 1993 issue of Keyboard magazine: > > To be classified as prog rock, music must adhere to the following criteria: > > 1. Songs can be no less than seven minutes in length, except in the case of > the prog rock/techno crossover, in which case five minutes is acceptable. > > 2. Anything in 4/4 is immediately disqualified. > > 3. The composition must contain at least three of the following > instruments: Mellotron, Hammond B-3, Moog Modular (Minimoog acceptable) or > any synth made before 1984 and weighing more than 100 lbs. Instruments must > also go out of tune after every third song. > > 4. Performers must be able to play in several time signatures at once, with > no one part recognizable as a singable melody. > > 5. A minimum of five key changes is required for each five minutes of music. > > 7. Try to find a beat. If you can't, it's prog rock. > > 8. If the composition wanders aimlessly, it's definitely either prog rock > or Dave Stewart on painkillers. > > 9. If anyone under the age of 30 likes it, it is not prog rock. > > 10. And finally, if you can dance to it, it isn't prog rock. > > Steven W. Wagenheim > Roselle, New Jersey > > This response is from from the Letters column in the October 1993 issue of > Keyboard: > > If a band meets five or more of the following criteria, they're prog: > > 1. At least one member uses Greek mythology or Zen koans as lyrics - at any > rate, nobody knows what the hell the singer is talking about. > > 2. A typical song lasts longer than your average shower. > > 3. On many songs, each musician plays in an entirely different meter and/or > key. > > 5. The keyboardist has more synthesizers than fingers. > > 6. Bill Bruford was a drummer at some point. > > 7. Their album covers depict strange animals crawling over weird geological > formations into which blue-pigmented children have carved stairways. > > 8. They can sell out an arena and still have more lights on stage than > people in the audience. > > 9. Rolling Stone and Phil Collins would both rather burn alive than hear > this group's latest album. > > And I can't forget Keith Emerson's reply: "It is music that does progress. > It takes an idea and develops it, rather than just repeat it ... Progressive > music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down [and] the > other way around, and explores its potential." > > Dave Stewart also wrote a reply to this question, but I haven't been able to > unearth it yet.
hope you enjoyed it!@
syrinx.
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:18:43 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: kbibb@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Life of a Mailing List (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960205161455.151299H-100000@homer07.u.washington.edu>
Ken, I think it would give everyone a laugh if you were to allow this particular piece through to the 'jams. Please read... :)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS ---------------------------------------
Every list seems to go through the same cycle:
1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).
2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).
3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).
4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).
5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed).
6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list).
OR
6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after).
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:58:40 -0800 From: jbryer@interserv.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dream Theater Windows Help File Message-ID: <199602020158.AA27477@relay.interserv.com>
Hey Ytsejammers,
I would just like to let everyone know that I have finished putting together a windows based help file all about dream theater. I have included all of the information I could find. It acts as a one stop place for all of DT's lyrics, faq, band info, and history. If you would like to download it, visit my homepage at:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jbryer/ (email: jbryer@interserv.com)
This will take you to my homepage, follow the "my dream theater page" link on that page to go to the download site. I also have a Victor help file for all you Rush and Alex Lifeson fans. That is on my Rush page. Feel free to download them, I hope you enjoy their usefullness as much as I enjoyed making them.
See ya, Jason
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 21:11:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chase L Eschauzier <clesc@conncoll.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: New Iron Maiden Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602012158.A12105-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
I'm a big Iron Maiden fan of the mid to late 80's, up till seventh son. Has anyone heard the X Factor? Is it at all worth getting? If someone could email me with info (the band members, the music quality, quality of lyrics, vocals, anything) I would be very interested. Thanks a lot.
Chase L. Eschauzier Connecticut College
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