YTSEJAM Digest 1306
Today's Topics:
1) mainstream DT continued
by MillerA@act.org
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 22:18:51" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) tribute tape
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
4) Ytsejam Big Band
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
5) Mainstream Progressive is an oxymoron.
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
6) compilation album
by STEVE <STEVE@kandu.com>
7) Big Band DT?
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
8) Re: Mainstream Progressive is an oxymoron.
by SaVeur <jjens@site.gmu.edu>
9) R.I.P. Live at the Marquee
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
10) Re: YTSEJAM partial digest 1306
by MillerA@act.org
11) Birch Hill tape
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
12) Gays in DT.
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
13) Re:Ytsejam Unsigned Bands tape
by richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh)
14) Iron Maiden
by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
15) Re: Gays in DT.
by MillerA@act.org
16) YTSE-MAIL FORMAT WARNING
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
17) DT Mainstream?
by Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
18) Liszt, Flat Cats, Prog
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 15:45:16 CST
From: MillerA@act.org
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mainstream DT continued
Message-ID: <9601298256.AA825639423@SMTP.ACT.ORG>
Hey Again:
Let me start by saying thanks. Though it wasn't my intention, i knew my
post would get some people rattled. Maybe even pissed. I'm glad all of
you that responded did so in an intelligent manner and didn't turn it
into a flame fest. That's the last thing this list needs.
I don't want anyone to get the impression that i don't want DT to be
successful. Think about the 'alternative/grunge' thingy that happened a
few years back. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, etc. were all a 'new
sound' when first introduced to the masses. But look at the scene now.
Everywhere you look there's a Pearl Jam 'sound alike'. (i never much
cared for the whole scene anyway) I strongly believe (again, IMO) that
there is no integrity in popular music today. At least it's few and far
between. Every thing sounds the same. Bands use the same damn
progessions over and over again. Some bands are hard to tell apart.
(the first time someone played silverchair for me, i shrieked and
thought it was pearl jam)
If prog is 'discovered' and 'accepted' by the general public, a demand
for it will most likely start. Record execs would start signing prog
bands left and right, promoting them all over the media and airwaves,
just as they did with alternative/grunge. I just don't want to see that
happen. I don't see this attitude as "i'm selfish and i want to keep
these guys to myself". It's more of a "these guys are incredible at
what they do, sound great, are completely original, and i'd hate to see
their sound mimicked and cheapened by record execs looking to make
$$$$".
If there would be a way for Dream Theater to be introduced to the masses
without having the 'copycat' syndrome start, cool. But the general
public isn't ready for it. I've played DT to many, many people. Some
people liked it, but most did not. At least some of them appreciated
DT's talent and didn't pass them off as a 'cheezy 80's metal band'.
Yeah, believe it or not i've heard that before. Oh well.........
Anyway, i hope you all understand where i'm coming from. I don't expect
anyone to agree with me. But if you do, you're cool. :)
Regardless of our differences of opinion, let's continue to support DT
and progressive music in anyway we can.
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:19:42 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 22:18:51" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:35:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tribute tape
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960229163447.19728A-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
you know, my friend mason, who recently made his first post, is a sax
player. maybe he could do the sax from "another day"? that would be
awesome!
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Matt Rosin * SURREALITY: ambient-experimental
PO Box 15315 * IMAGESCAPE: ambient-progressive metal
College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming
77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape
msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu * email: imagescape@tamu.edu
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:45:24 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsejam Big Band
Message-ID: <199602292245.PAA05175@maple.enet.net>
>Okay guys, it appears we have a tuba, a trombone, a clarinet, a
>trumpet, and a flute/piccolo (me). There has got to be something we can
>do. I am honestly interested if anyone can come up with anything.
>Please don't suggest singing, I am assuming by the fact that no one
>mentioned it that that is out of the question for us.
I play French Horn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If somebody can
think of something to do, I'm in.
> But isnt Prog. Music all Copycat? IMHO they all
>sound the same. Somewhat like Alternative... But then again I guess
>that's what appeals to the music... DT could be back on top of the
>charts But MTV wont let it right now.. :)
Bullhonky! There aren't even two DREAM THEATER songs that sound the same!
>NERF ROCK!!!!!! He called Music that I grew up with NERF
>rock. Thats like calling Mike Tyson A WHIMP!!!
> ^^^^^
> gheeze...............
> ^^^^^^
What's with this guy and extra H's? Ih dhon't ghet iht.
>1) Prog is too generally too long. This has been mentioned before and
>it's a very valid point. Mtv can't play prog and neither can radio. Sure,
>Rush can fit in, but how many of you would categorize that last few Rush albums
>and progressive as I&W or Awake? "Stick It Out" vs "Scarred"? Don't think so.
>
Yes, but if it becomes popular, then people won't mind if it's long. Do you
get bored listening to Scarred?
> As for DT, I saw major changes as soon as I heard the
>"Awake" album. None of the songs blew me away like they did on IAW. What
>happened? Is there a way progressive bands can make a living with their
>music, but not get discovered by the wrong people? Is there a happy medium
>between struggle and success?
>
>Think about it...
>
I bet you wouldn't feel the same if you had heard Awake before I&W. Nine
times out of ten, people will like better what the heard first. You kind of
get used to it. I don't really have a favorite album. I welcomed the
change, because, the main reason I like DT is because it's
different...refreshing...taste MUCH..wow!..MUCH..woo!...COOLER!!!!!!!
>Why bitch and complain that they get no airplay on the radio or MTV?
>Isn't that why we have CD players and VCRs?
>
That's true...how would radio play help us? We already have the CD's. I
have already confirmed that DT does not go over well with people my age. I
tried to play Awake at a pizza party...half the people threatened my life,
half of half looked a little confused, and the rest ignored it.
>Ok, everyone, the posting about Derek being gay has almost stopped, but now
>all I see is "Lets stop posting about Derek's sexuality", so lets stop
>posting about stop posting about Derek's sexuality.
>BTW, to the person who said
Will you quit it? I mean, YOU'RE the one that started it.
Hey...did you hear? Brian is gay! :-0 :-)
>"Showdown" is the working title of one of the songs form the new album.
>And, those words for TLF are lyrics added for the studio version of TLF from
>the Silent Man Single.
Cool...Raise the Knife and Showdown. Sounds a little heavy? Of course, I
saw the title "Surrounded" and I thought that was going to be heavy too. :-)
>Why is this post I had obnoxious? If you recal,
>about 2 or 3 weeks ago when the jam first switched over, the question of
>whether or not DT were sex symbols was a big topic for a few days. I had
>nothing to say about it then, but now I did. My post wasn't any more
>obnoxious than anyone elses posts about this topic.
You didn't talk about their sex appeal. You talked about their sexual
preference, which are two different things.
>Also, someone on the jam said saying Myung is not Korean as
>"riddiculous". Why is it riddiculous?
THERE IS ONLY ONE "D" IN RIDICULOUS, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When
somebody misspells something while trying to be angry, it just takes away so
much of the bite.
BERKELY IS KNOW FUKKING GARANTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bald Anus, See?
Anagram Generators suck.
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:48:43 -0800
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mainstream Progressive is an oxymoron.
Message-ID: <9602292248.AA49430@pdx108>
HEY! Who you calling a moron?
Anyway, I would like to posit this opinion:
Progressive music by its very definition (whatever that is) is always
changing, always advancing. So if anybody were to become "copycats"
of a progressive band, they might be mainstream, but they wouldn't
be progressive! And even if there were several progressive bands that
suddenly hit the airwaves at the same time and everyone liked their
songs and everybody jumped on the progressive fad/bandwagon, it
wouldn't last, because those bands' next albums would be different!
So they'd still be progressive, but not mainstream!
See? Simple!
Jim
---
Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that
MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my
** I don't speak for Intel ** | fellow mankind, do you really
(they're not that foolish) | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 17:52:29
From: STEVE <STEVE@kandu.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: compilation album
Message-ID: <BC74C62F01810F00@kandu.com>
i know i just sent this, but i forgot to mention that this will be
all Original music...
hi folks-
my record label, DREG Records, is planning on releasing a compilation
CD of unsigned or local Prog HR/HM bands. since there's been some
talk of this here, i figured i would open it up the the you first,
and possibly make it entirely bands of the jam ("Yste Bands?!?")
anyhoo, it will be a professionally done, full length CD with
appropriate credits, and will retail for around $12.
if you or your band would be interested, send me email to:
steve@kandu.com
i'll post more on this as it starts to take shape.
-steve
DREG Records
http://www.kandu.com/dreg
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 18:10:43 EST
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Big Band DT?
Message-ID: <9602292310.AA23317@ici.net>
>Okay guys, it appears we have a tuba, a trombone, a clarinet, a
>trumpet, and a flute/piccolo (me).
Okay, I'll throw my alto sax into the mix, too. I'll have to blow the dust
off it, though.
I'd hate to be left out. :)
______psull@ici.net_______Pat Sullivan_______<web page coming soon>_________
"You could chop off a man's head three times a day for twenty years, and
he'd grow used to it, and cry like a baby if you stopped."
__________________________________Robert Sheckley_-_"Immortality, Inc."_____
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 18:17:39 -0500 (EST)
From: SaVeur <jjens@site.gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mainstream Progressive is an oxymoron.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.90.960229180907.970B-100000@arsenic>
On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Jim Beavens wrote:
> of a progressive band, they might be mainstream, but they wouldn't
> be progressive! And even if there were several progressive bands that
i strongly concur. it's the same thing w/ "alternative". how can
something "mainstream" or "pop" be labeled "alternative"? DT is truely
alternative; Pearl Jam was at one time.
> suddenly hit the airwaves at the same time and everyone liked their
> songs and everybody jumped on the progressive fad/bandwagon, it
> wouldn't last, because those bands' next albums would be different!
> So they'd still be progressive, but not mainstream!
and this would confuse the fuck out of the general public. i think it has
to do w/ attention spans and fear of change. they have to have the same
thing regurgitated over and over but in slightly different forms.
progressive (or is it Progressive ;) music isn't like that...and by
definition never will.
'nough for now,
-john
j o h n j j e n s @ g m u . e d u
e
n
s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:18:14 -0800
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com.I.talked.to.a.music.store.this.week.that.said.that.LatM.has.been
Subject: R.I.P. Live at the Marquee
Message-ID: <199602292318.PAA11997@ix10.ix.netcom.com>
deleted. If anyone out there has been thinking about buying the CD, now
might be a good time to do it. Once you're store is out of stock, they
could run into a problem finding more.
Scott Cook
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 17:29:18 CST
From: MillerA@act.org
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM partial digest 1306
Message-ID: <9601298256.AA825643626@SMTP.ACT.ORG>
>That's true...how would radio play help us? We already have the CD's. I
>have already confirmed that DT does not go over well with people my age.
>I tried to play Awake at a pizza party...half the people threatened my
>life, half of half looked a little confused, and the rest ignored it.
i know the feeling. except for me it was with the band i used to play
with. i played some of LATM for them at practice one day. one of the
guys insulted it, i believe metropolis was playing at the time. He
said:
"shit that technical has no soul. i like street music. you know, like
nirvana?"
shortly thereafter i parted my separate ways with the dumbasses, er i
mean, um, people.
BTW, i recently found out that there are not one, but TWO Andrew
Miller's on the jam. Talk about confusion. So from here on out, i'll
start using the stage name i've always hoped to be able to use.
(let me know if THIS one is already taken)
GOD (just kidding)
Jonathon Andrews <----this is the real one.
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:22:49 -0800
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com.I'm.listening.to.LSoaD.off.of.the.Birch.Hill.tape.and.I.noticed.the
Subject: Birch Hill tape
Message-ID: <199602292322.PAA17820@ix5.ix.netcom.com>
opening bass line that Myung does is from Locamotive Breath. Which
brings up the question since Jethro Tull has done box sets for 20 years
and 25 years, can the 30th anniversary box be far behind?
Scott Cook
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:24:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: Ytsejelly <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Gays in DT.
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960229172045.16724A-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
I just had to add my $.02. I don't care if DT is gay or uses drugs, it's
ther *people* that matter here, not who the people like!
And besides, if anyone is gay, it's Mike Portnoy. If you rearrange the
letters in his name, you get "ripe monk toy." I think that PROVES he's
gay!
Seriously, I don't think Mike, Derek, Niel, etc, are gay, nor do I care.
I just couldn't pass that anagram up.
Later all.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:36:54 +1100
From: richie@cst.com.au (Richie Teh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:Ytsejam Unsigned Bands tape
Message-ID: <199602292336.KAA17716@foot.cst.com.au>
>have their albums, might be time to do a Ytsejam Unsigned Bands tape, I
>scrapped the idea last use due to the semester starting, but I might have
>time to pull it off now. I'll post more info if I decide to do this.
>Later,
>Mike Backof
Hi Mike,
Put me on your list of recipient if you're planning to go ahead with this
project. I'm totally for this project. I think these bands need to be heard,
and seeing that ytsejam goes internationally (I'm Australian), this would
help get their music all over the world. Furthermore, I believe there are a
number of people on the jam that's working as DJs or in the music industry
that might also help these bands,
I give this project a thumbs up :-)
Take care and God Bless!
---------------------------------------------------*
Richie Teh (richie@cst.com.au) <><
Software Engineer
Creative Software Technologies
Braeside, Victoria, Australia
*When electric currents go through them, guitars start making sounds.
So would anybody.
---------------------------------------------------*
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 18:39:27 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Iron Maiden
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602291809.A5518-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
Hey Everybody!
I am still taking everybody's votes for the ytsejam's favorite
Iron Maiden album, so if you still want to vote, email me!
Ryan
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*
"A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking
The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe
Icarus would know The men are free to run now
A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below"
When you've fallen from the moon."
-Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart
*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*
rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085
Connecticut College
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 17:53:41 CST
From: MillerA@act.org
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Gays in DT.
Message-ID: <9601298256.AA825645122@SMTP.ACT.ORG>
>And besides, if anyone is gay, it's Mike Portnoy. If you rearrange the
>letters in his name, you get "ripe monk toy." I think that PROVES he's
>gay!
Pat,
that's go to be one of the funnest damn things i've seen in a
long time. i think you're one twisted puppy. in a good way! :)
but seriously, someone should point that anagram out to Mike. i
bet he'd get a kick out of it.
Jonathon Andrews
(formerly known as Andrew Miller)
millera@act.org
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 18:00:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSE-MAIL FORMAT WARNING
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960229175830.1925A-100000@shamu>
The mail item that you sent at 06:00:00 GMT on 25 Dec 1996 has been
delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into A Change
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FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. It is Only a Matter of Time before information
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Any further annoyances will be met with The Killing Hand, and will be
crushed Under a Glass Moon. Until then we will all be Learning to Live with
these messages.
But thst is another story and Another Day.
Sinisterly,
Sinista
BafuVai, Im supprised you didnt come up with somthing similar to this.
/me asks D-Man to sling several 2 ton walrii and a Winnebego full of nuns
+towards IBMMAIL for him.
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:19:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Mainstream?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960229191118.20106A-100000@scls1>
Hey all,
All the talk about "What if DT were Mainstream" is very
interesting. Sombody posted that if they were, they would stop listening
to them. That's a pretty bold statement! I don't know about you but there
is not a day that goes by that I don't listen to at least one song from
them. I don't know, maybe it's just me but if my favorite band was on the
radio or MTV all the time it would make me happy. I can't complain
though, I live on Long Island and I hear DT at least once a week on the
local rock station. As far as the future of DT, well I agree with the
Magna Carta post. It does not matter though, we will all support them
anyway. There is alot more of us then we think......
Kev
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:37:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Liszt, Flat Cats, Prog
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960229161409.12310B-100000@homer19.u.washington.edu>
> From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
> Subject: Virtuoso keyboardists, Schizophrenia, and more
>
> Today were talking about Franz Liszt, a virtuoso composer from early
> 19th century (known as the Romantic period in music history). He wrote
> piano pieces that were so complex hardly anyone besides himself could play
> them. hardly any musician TODAY can play them. What I'd like to know is
> can Kevin Moore and Derik Sherrinian play these difficult compostions by
> Liszt? Have they even TRIED? I bet they could.
I'll bet they could, too. As for Franz Liszt, yes his material was ultra-
complex! He was a contemporary of Charles Alkan and Frederic Chopin, all
of whom wrote incredibly complicated stuff for the piano during the same
time period. (and they were all big Prague fans, just like us)
----
> From: keu@pointblank.com
> Subject: DT mainstream???????
>
> --------------------------------------
> | KEU@POINTBLANK.com
> | http://www.pb.net/~pleasuredome
> | QUOTE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
> | The more you Run over a Cat
> | THE FLATTER IT GETS!!!!!!!!
> --------------------------------------
Any thoughts on this, Debbie?
----
> From: haiders@kenyon.edu
> Subject: prog becoming mainstream
>
> I just wanted to address this prog popularity thread. It's never going
> to happen and there are a few reasons.
>
> 1) Prog is too generally too long. This has been mentioned before
> and it's a very valid point. Mtv can't play prog and neither can radio.
> Sure, Rush can fit in, but how many of you would categorize that last few
> Rush albums and progressive as I&W or Awake? "Stick It Out" vs "Scarred"?
> Don't think so.
Yeah, and what about that other really long album, "Violin Concerto" by
that "Tchaikovsky" band? Who do they think they are writing such looong
songs? They'll NEVER be mainstream with song-length like that. How can
they (or that Seattle band, "Mozart") ever hope to be popular with such
incredibly longer-than-anything music?! Heck, I'd be surprised if anyone's
even heard of violin concertos 100 years from now. I mean, try to find
"Mozart" in Tower Records, the entire genre-section is like only half a
shelf!!
Otherwise, howabout those grammys? Let's hear it for the Red Hot Chili
Peppers' "Blood Sugar Sex Magic!!" I remember when I bought that album
last November and thought, "Geez, this new RHCP album is AWESOME!! These
guys'll probably win a grammy for such a cool 1995 release!!"
Bafu Vai
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