YTSEJAM digest 1657

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Date: Mon Jul 01 1996 - 12:15:25 EDT

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YTSEJAM Digest 1657

Today's Topics:

  1) Bands singin' wit American accents
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
  2) 3D Trapezoidal Multi-Colored Cows
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
  3) That's the thing that tells you what I'm writing about
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
  4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1656
by ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
  5) Tribute albums
by Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU>
  6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
  7) ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater****
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
  8) Van Halen confirmed. (no dt..)
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
  9) Kyuss news
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
10) ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater****
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
11) Stuph ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
12) Music Samples On The Web
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
13) A few responses...
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:36:54 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bands singin' wit American accents
Message-ID: <19960701.000110.7959.2.nishiki@juno.com>

>>
The accent difference is also noticable when you compare his singing with
the between-songs patter. I see this a lot with foreign bands, they seem
to
lose their "accent" (Bruce Dickinson, for example) when singing. I
remember
reading an article on this once where a vocalist (don't remember who)
said
that he did it deliberately.
>>

Joe Elliot from Def Leppard said this once(it may have been one of the
other band members). They said that rock music comes from America and
you can tell the difference between American rock bands and others, and
that they tried to sound American because it was true to their roots or
something. It was an interesting comment, anyway.

Correction Man
DJKA

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:41:24 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 3D Trapezoidal Multi-Colored Cows
Message-ID: <199607010441.VAA24870@maple.enet.net>

Rip....write those lyrics so we can write some moosic.

>my main point was that
>this phenomena often comes about in james' singing. not that he's any
>less emotional, but that it can be clouded.

From my point of view, it's easier to detect an unemotional singer
than it is an unemotional anythingelser because the music is coming straight
from you, rather than being channeled through something else like a guitar
or drums or something. But, just like Myung's way of showing emotion is
perfection, James' might be singing the way he does. They show HIS emotion,
but might not always show the emotion of the person who the lyrics reflect.
Like, James could be sad one day, and be screaming in anguish during a song
with happy, upbeat lyrics. That's an extreme example, but it gets my point
across. One of my favorite James-songs is SDV. In that song, he uses lack of
emotion for emotion in that he sounds like somebody who's just given up and
doesn't care about anything anymore. That's a cool thing. Yet ANOTHER
thing, is that with lots of DT songs, there isn't much place for emotion in
the lyrics. Take Metropolis. Those lyrics are particularly unmoving. It's
just a faery tale. It's hard to even find a place where super-emotional
singing would fit in.

>no, this wasn't a flame . . .

If people are ignorant enough to think that your post is a flame, then let
them take the pointless time and effort to write you about it. It's plenty
easy to ignore somebody like that.

>Hey! That guy stole his .sig from the same guy I did! I mean, uh, that
>is...

Uh-oh. Do I have to report a double-robbery?

>But I think a majority of young kids would buy a DT ablum just
>because they opened for VH.

The fact is that kids my age and around my age aren't Musically Mature
enough to enjoy and understand Dream Theater music. So what if they bought
it? They wouldn't like it.

"Ytse bird! Ytse plane! Yts.." Mau-Tze
And I listen openly....
Ben Laussade

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:40:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: That's the thing that tells you what I'm writing about
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9607010054.B8792-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>

> From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
> Subject: I'm kinda goofy, you know...
>
> > From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
> >
> > New York is definitely the best place on earth to live. I miss it
> > already.
>
> Yeah....but you know something...I'm still trying to get the urine
> smell out of NYC air!!!

Don't hold your breath... or maybe you should.

> > >Does breathing heavily and moaning constitute plenty of feeling?
>
> As long as I'm the one doing the feeling...I don't care...

TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!!

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> From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) > Subject: Review of Detroit KISS concert > > THE MERCHANDISE > pretty cool. They had T-Shirts with the faces from the YWTBYGTB cover

Wasn't that on WDADU?

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> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1655 > > Speaking of taking flying leaps, I think I wanna go to YtseCon III! Yes, > fly all the way from California to New York for the heck of it! SInce I > didn't go on my trip to Japan as I planned, I have some vacation funds > sitting in the bank which could easily be spent on YtseGoodies. Could one > of the organizers kindly send me the info, which I've been ignoring the last > few thousand times it was posted? Thanks.

Just for the benefit of newcomers and anyone else interested: YtseCon III Saturday, October 12th (or is it the 19th? Jeff?) at the Marriott Hotel near LaGuardia Airport, Queens, NY. For more info (since that's all I remember :), contact Jeff Chew at jc309@columbia.edu. To get your ass on the list, contact me at cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu.

------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 02:32:59 -0400 From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1656 Message-ID: <199607010632.CAA14277@freenet2.carleton.ca>

> >no, this wasn't a flame . . . See below :)

> By the way, if any Jammers in the Toronto area are planning on >attending the CON, let me know. I would like to attend, but don't want >to be the only one capable of drinking Canadian beer at this thing. ;)

If I ever find out how to reserve I will be heading down. Given I am from Ottawa but that's still pretty Canadian :). I'll probably have a friend down too so that's 3.

>One last thing THIS IS NOT A FLAME!

Don't apologize for having an opinion..

-- "To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush "Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd "The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis "Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater

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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 09:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: Shawna Lea Adams <SADAMS1@WELLESLEY.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tribute albums Message-ID: <01I6JX0Z29XE8WYPJM@WELLESLEY.EDU>

Maybe in Regards to Rush Tribute Albums, someone should tell the guys that other bands have had tribute albums before they were dead and gone.

Lets see...There was Die Krupp's tribute to Metallica (...and most of the songs were even ok...except every single d**n version of One...*shrug*)

and the Black Sabbath Tribute Album...(so those are the only two I can think of right off hand...:>)

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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 09:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652 Message-ID: <v01510101adfd4c8edb58@[137.238.26.12]>

>Scott Daugherty, wishing he lived in New York instead of Kentucky.

Hi Scott, it's BABS. Can you get me a good deal on a banjo? (Only teasing). New York's not all it's cracked up to be (of course, the part of NY I'm from could easily be mistaken for Kentucky - laugh).....

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:59:44 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater**** Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.7.1.8.59.44.13771.15367@clubmet.metrobbs.com>

Hey all you Ytsejamers-

The (new) limited Dream Theater stickers are here...and ready for ship-out! (surf the net at: http://WWW.DREAMT.ORG) (see merchandise) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Would you like a chance to win a limited edition CD by Dream Theater? The CD is "When Dream And Today Unite". (by mike b/Prism Records). I believe there is only 1000 in print. Some of the following live songs are on this cd: A Fortune In Lies, Get Funky, The Ytsejam, Light Fuse and Get Away, Mission Impossible, To Live Forever, Only A Matter Of Time, and several others! A must for any DT fan!

If you order (3) or more stickers by August 15th, 1996 your name will be entered in a drawing to win "WHEN DREAM AND TODAY UNITE".

The drawing will be held August 16th, 1996 and will be announced via E-MAIL & Ytsejam maillist that day. (don't forget to send your email address with your order).

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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IF YOU would like your own sticker(s)...then you can write to the address below. The Stickers are only $2.00 each. (includes shipping and handling). (U.S. Currency/check/M.O. accepted). Orders *Outside the U.S./add $1.00 for shipping/on any # ordered).

(((want to get even a better deal??? If you order 10 or more stickers at any one time...your cost is $1.50 each)* (total $15.00). ALSO if you order 10 or more, your name will be entered in the DT CD drawing five (5) times, so your chances to win are greater!)))

FOR RUSH ORDER/write to: TRS GROUP 11184 Antioch Road SUITE 701 Overland Park, Kansas 66210 USA

(checks and M.O. made out to: TRS GROUP). (Don't forget your email address, and make sure you have the above "suite" number on the outside of your envelope).

all orders are shipped out next business day.

If you have ANY questions, feel free to write me!

take care,

todd s

market@clubmet.com

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:01:44 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Van Halen confirmed. (no dt..) Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.7.1.9.1.44.16565.4335@clubmet.metrobbs.com>

Im sure there will be several messages on this topic, but I did hear on the radio today that Sammy H, is no longer with Van Halen.

I also heard David Lee Roth will be jamming with the band again.

WOW...!!

see ya

todd

market@clubmet.com

H T T P : / / W W W . D R E A M T . O R G

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 16:09:07 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Kyuss news Message-ID: <9607011409.AA00259@sundoc13.software-ag.de>

Hi all

I know there are some Kyuss fans on the Jam, so here is the latest news that I have about one of the best bands (RIP) I ever heard or saw:

The ex-Kyuss guitarist Josh Homme has formed a new band called Gamma Ray (that will surely lead to some trouble, especially here in Germany). Their first single will be coming out State-side on the Ruin label at the start of July. They will also be appearing on one of the small stages at Lollapalooza.

And now a couple of words to clarify some things that arose out of my last post to the Jam (political correctness and so on). It may come as a surprise to some of you to learn that I actually like the music of Dream Theater. In fact, they play some of the best music I have heard, but I do not/will not love either the music or the band. There are very few things that I love in this world (my girlfriend, for example, and most of my family), and I find all of this stuff like "I love this song" or "when I first heard Awake I really cried" quite puke-inducing. The guys in the band are good musicians and they play some good stuff - nothing more, nothing less. They are not gods. Get real. Get a life. I received a load of stuff saying that I should listen to "blah blah" by "Blah" and then I would "love them", and if I didn't, then I must be dead. Well, I guess I must be dead (at least that would explain the smell in my bedroom in the mornings).

Ben - thanks for an intelligent reply, and I quite like Oasis too.

Has anybody heard the debut album by the British band "Dearly Beheaded"? Let me know what you think, as I'm toying with the idea of buying it.

I jus read something about "Alice In Chains" doing an Unplugged show. Does anybody know if MTV have transmitted it yet or if they plan to? Sounds too good to miss.

I'm off to piss on my wheaties (whatever that may mean).

stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)

Currently playing: Yes - Close To The Edge

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:00:14 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater**** Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.7.1.9.0.14.353.10245@clubmet.metrobbs.com>

Hey all you Ytsejamers-

If you order (3) or more stickers by August 15th, 1996 your name will be entered in a drawing to win "WHEN DREAM AND TODAY UNITE".

The drawing will be held August 16th, 1996 and will be announced via E-MAIL & Ytsejam maillist that day. (don't forget to send your email address with your order).

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

ABOUT THE STICKER: wanna see a pict? (http://www.dreamt.org)

FOR RUSH ORDER/write to: TRS GROUP 11184 Antioch Road SUITE 701 Overland Park, Kansas 66210 USA

(checks and M.O. made out to: TRS GROUP). (Don't forget your email address, and make sure you have the above "suite" number on the outside of your envelope).

all orders are shipped out next business day.

If you have ANY questions, feel free to write me!

take care,

todd s

market@clubmet.com

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- check out http://www.dreamt.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuph .... Message-ID: <199607011447.KAA23401@wicked.stigmata.org>

Hey all ....

Someone disagreed with me on my post about dubbing released material. I was more saying don't dub whole albums. I definately think making mix tapes for people who you are trying to convert is a cool thing, I just don't want people handing copies of albums that can easily (or sometimes not so easily) be bought in stores out to other people. If you wanna try and get someone in to a new band or two, make them a mix tape including some of the songs from the band, don't just dub a whole album. I remember 8 months ago or so, someone organized a project where people traded mix tapes of some of their favorite prog bands which people might not know. It worked real well from what I heard. The reason I remember is that their were 2 Shadow Gallery songs on the tape that D-Man got and he played them for Brian Wherry and I on the way to the Birch Hill show and I was blown away, so I bought the album. I would much rather see people making mix tapes with Shadow Gallery, Ivanhoe, Braindance, Glass Hammer, etc on them instead of just making a copy of Carved in Stone or something for someone. With a mix tape like this there is more of a possibility of gettig in to a lot more bands than just one and it gives the person just a teaser of what the whole album would have.

Someone else (can you tell I can't look at the jams while reading this?) said that a lot of people are assuming that most High School kids are in to Alternative rock and we are wrong in doing so. Well, I don't think we are, for a few reasons.

First, what exposure do most people have to music by the time they are getting in to HS? Basically the radio, MTV, and friends. Most of these friends are also influenced by the radio and MTV. What is played on MTV and the radio all day? I know probably 50% of the people on this list, got in to DT because of hearing Pull Me Under on MTV. At that point MTV was still playing alot of "Glam" and Metal bands and rock was definately more prevelant than Alternative music, so Pull Me Under was just a step up for them, not a leap like it is from most of the alternative music today.

Second, most people don't have the money to explore different kinds of music until HS because they don't have the cash to go out and but tons of CDs of different music. I own over 300 CDs now, I know that before I hit 7th grade, I couldn't afford to buy Ice Cream from the Ice Cream Man without asking my parents for cash. How could someone who isn't employed be able to go out and buy CDs from all these bands that we love?

Basically, the point is that most kids up to and usually through HS are exposed to one kind of music and its whatever is being played on MTV and really don't spend the time to explore when they like what they hear. So the assumption definately isn't unjustified.

Well, that's all from me.

Later Skadz

-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:20:00 -0400 From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim) To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Music Samples On The Web Message-ID: <19960701151958949.AAA255@mail.fxn.com>

Hey everyone. I posted a while back asking for Jammers' homepages that had music samples, either solo work or band stuff. I got a handful of responses, but there's got to be more of you out there... I just know it. ;)

If you don't remember, I am planning on putting up a page with links to those pages. All of you can get more hits on your web page and I can get more hits on mine too. :) We'd all be helping each other out!

So, once again, if you have a musical project (band or solo or whatever) and you have samples of your music on a web page, please e-mail me with all the info about it. Don't worry, I will include all submissions. Besides, something I don't like, someone else WILL like, so I won't exclude anyone based on my personal tastes.

I do have a feeling that if/when I make the announcement that the page is up, I'll make the announcement and a zillion people will e-mail me, telling me about their web page. I *would* like to get more than a few up for the debut of this page, so once again, I ask any of you with music samples on your homepage to e-mail me with the URL of your homepage and/or the URL of the page that the music samples are on.

Elliott Kim -------------------------------------------------------| |--------------------------------- elliott@fxn.com, e-man@dreamt.org http://www.fxn.com/users/e/elliott---------------------------------|

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:58:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Subject: A few responses... Message-ID: <199607011558.LAA27684@grex.cyberspace.org>

Hey,

Just thought I'd repond to a few posts....

> I just bought Holidays in Eden and thought it was an OK CD. I'd like > to know what other ones would be good to pick up by Marillion. And > other than Echolyn (still haven't found Ivanhoe) what other good > discs would someone recommend. I know Matt Rosin has only told me > a bunch of his favs, but I'd like more input (no offense Matt :)) > Thanks > Rob

-As some have heard, I am a huge advocate of the Magna Carta bands. If you are into prog-rock, I suggest Magellan, Shadow Gallery, World Trade, Cairo, Enchant and Tempest. If you like Jethro Tull, I strongly suggest Tempest.

-As for Marillion, I think most 'jammerz will agree with me, check out Misplaced Childhood, I believe it to be their best work.

> Oh, BTW, I started listining to VH as a Sammy fan, but still do like > DLR material. I do, however, like Sammy's material better... More > serious lyrics, tighter musicianship, and better live performances... > when I go to a concert, I go to see music being performed, not some > side-show drunken stupor that used to be a DLR VH show... on most of > the DLR VH boots that I have, there are hardly any lyrics b/c DLR was > too trashed to sing... thats not what I want when I pay $35/ticket.

-I understand your annoyance of paying money to see VH drunk, but It wasn't just the DLR days. When Van Hagar came to Detroit a couple of years back, all the members in the band were wasted. Eddie even had trouble playing. Apparently, they apologized at the show the next night and said they would make up for it by making that show one to remember, but that doesn't give the people who paid to see them the night before any solace.

Re: Jars of Clay > I thought they'd turn me away, too. But their choice of instruments, > their melodies and stuff... it's addictive. It's good stuff the likes > of which I haven't heard in quite a while. Sort of REM in church.

-I really enjoy Jars of Clay. I find them to be more in the vein of Toad the wet Sprocket or Toy Matinee. Their songwriting ability is amazing, there isn't a song on the album that I don't like. Also, Adrian Belew produced two of the tracks on the album, "Flood" and "Liquid".

> Anyone heard of Ashley MacIsaac? He's a celtic/fusion fiddle > player. His songs all have a traditional celtic fiddle style but thr > rhythms range from light-industrial to R&B. Very cool!

-Yeah, This guy is cool. ;)

> A couple of jams ago someone wrote about turning his brother's friend into a > prog person(is there a word for that?).

-I believe when a person undergoes the Progversion process, they become a Progvert.

> John -Cool name. _________________ _ ____________________ (^) (^) <-o->koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian<-o-> (v)________________ __ __ ___________________(v)

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