YTSEJAM Digest 1658
Today's Topics:
1) Kiss and AIC !!!!
by bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1657
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
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by
4) it was 15 years ago today.......
by WildKoba@aol.com
5) Re: dubbing commercial CD's
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
6) ???
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
7) Bach?
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
8) Re: The sad state of the English language (NDTC)
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
9) Pentagonal glow-in-the-dark neon cows
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) Prog. Nite in NYC
by CNG@tcco.com
11) Music recommendations, today's youth and VH
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1657
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
13) the bastardization of Van Halen
by "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net>
14) Re: Rush and DT (First order bovines)
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
15) DAVE ego...? Kings X. general....no dt
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
16) ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater****
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:04:28 -0500
From: bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: skooc@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Kiss and AIC !!!!
Message-ID: <199607011604.LAA23993@renner.dnaent.com>
Sorry about the NDTC but I read in the Kiss review posted by Scott Cook
(Thanks for that review by the way!) that Alice In Chains was there. Does
anyone know if that was a one time thing or what. Kiss will be here in
Dallas on Friday and I was wandering (and now hoping) if AIC will be there
also. If anyone has any information I would greatly appreciate it!!!
Bill Wrightson
bwrights@dnaent.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:47:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1657
Message-ID: <199607011647.LAA10450@psa.pencom.com>
Neil writes:
> I jus read something about "Alice In Chains" doing an Unplugged show.
> Does anybody know if MTV have transmitted it yet or if they plan to? Sounds
> too good to miss.
>
Yes, they did it and it was broadcasted last month on MTV. It was OK at
best. Mike Bahr and I got into a big discussion about it offline.
Basically, here are the goods and bads of it.
Good
---- Good to see them live -they don't tour often. Support for some of their mellow stuff ( Sap, Jar of Flies) I knew they always had the material to do such a show. Sound quality was good. Show to be put out commercially which is cool because their original deal was to do 4 albums and from what I understand it was quite a struggle to get them all together to do this most recent one (self titled album) This live album makes 5.Bad ---
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Who knows if they will split up. Layne did a project band thing (Mad Season) and Jerry is in the process of putting out a solo album (I heard one song off of some movie soundtrack.) I would recommend getting Mad Season's album. Some really good stuff.
> I'm off to piss on my wheaties (whatever that may mean). > Uhhh, ok, man. :D I take it that you don't understand what really means? Usually when you see someone who has been grouchy all day long, you would say that about them. It means that someone must have really pissed them off early in the day. :D
I heard that JP is going to do a clinic in NYC in July? When and where?
Johnny Motown
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:53:44 -0400 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: it was 15 years ago today....... Message-ID: <960701125343_567794547@emout15.mail.aol.com>
........that i had my first piano lesson. funny how time flies, huh?
so mojo, what makes me magical? i dunno, the fact that i can run around naked with a shaved head and be called a religious icon, perhaps (i've been told that i'd be shaved and put in the middle of the binghamton quad and have people come worship me)?
it can't be the perfect pitch. it can't be the crack i smoke.
it's gotta be the shoes (or in this case, the nike sports sandals). ponder me, and you will know.
btw, whoever asked, the alice in chains unplugged was aired a few weeks (maybe a month?) ago. i missed it, but heard it was excellent, and i remember the commercial for it where layne says, "this is the best show we've done in three years!" it'd be nice if it came out on cd.
dt news- james labrie is officially out of dt! devon townshend is the new singer.
and if you believed that...............you're a real crackhead!
see ya, punks! ***************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi guitars, keyboards.
binghamton university. class of 97.
"me? i'm just the lawnmower- you can tell me by the way i walk." -p. gabriel *****************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:57:05 -0700 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: dubbing commercial CD's Message-ID: <199607011657.JAA20832@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
Hello again!
I can understand where some people might me upset over dubbing commercial cd's because the artists don't receive royalties from it, but there's one band that wouldn't have received my money if it weren't for a dubbed tape.
A few months ago a friend dubbed the Superior cd for me. I wanted to hear them but I thought $19 was too expensive for a cd by a band that I've never heard. Since I got my dubbed copy I loved it so much that I ordered the CD. If I wouldn't have gotten the dub of it first though I never would have bought it.
Bottom line: If you get a dub of a commercial cd and you like it, be ccol about it and get the CD. I don't mean bands like Rush or Kiss or Van whoever they are this week. But bands like Superior, Shadow Gallery and Magellan who aren't muti-millionaires and could use the cash.
peace,
Grinder
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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 13:10:54 -0400 From: btomko@home.glasscity.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ??? Message-ID: <B0000179539@home.glasscity.net>
I won't mention the latest rash of rumors, but I do have a question about them. Where do rumors like that come from? Misunderstandings? I mean, who would suddenly make up something like that? We're lucky to have people who can weed out the crap. (man, you're on top of things, Mike) On a lighter note, I picked up my new amp today and it's so heavy my mom won't help me lift it out of the car. I need one other person to help, so it's gonna be in there for a few hours.......hehehehe. Mark Tomko spector@juno.com -or-
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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 13:12:17 -0400 From: btomko@home.glasscity.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bach? Message-ID: <B0000179542@home.glasscity.net>
I've been listening to a Queensryche CD I got from the library, and I really like it. Can someone email ME (not the list) the list of 'must hear' albums for Queenryche? I picked up a Steve Swallow CD used. That guy's great. He doesn't play fast (at least on this disc), but his bass (a 5 string with high 'C') sounds awesome. If you're looking for some easy jazz, this is great stuff. Friday night, my brother and I travelled two hours to see a concert of Bach's complete Brandenburg concerti. (For those of you who think this does not belong on a DT list, they're a lot closer than you might think) This was done on the original insrtumentation, mind you. Bach is much better than I ever gave him credit for. Holding up the bottom for the ensembles was what looked like a six string upright bass, called a Violone. I knew better, and caught up with the musician playing it. The violone is the ancestor of the bass. It has six strings and FRETS made of gut. It is tuned DGCEAD. Guitarists and six string slingers: try this tuning. I fooled around with it a bit, and it makes for some interesting music. Mark Tomko spector@dreamt.org -or- btomko@main.glasscity.net
"How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?" -Calvin "Don't look into car headlights and freeze, because you'll either get run over or shot." -Hobbes
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:17:31 -0700 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The sad state of the English language (NDTC) Message-ID: <199607011717.KAA25366@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Grinder wrote:
>the guy I went with just graduated with a degree in Journalism,
You gotta be kidding! Please let me know what school he went to, so I can make sure I don't send my kids there!
Examples: >The poster, as well as some of the shirts had the Destroyer era >picture of Kiss standing on top of the world, and said Kiss >Alive/WorldWide, I was there and was pretty cool. They had T-Shirts >with the faces from the YWTBYGTB cover as well as the "flame" shot >from the Intrepid Press kit, overall it was pretty cool. > >Kiss went on about 10:20 p.m. with a helicopter flying overhead >shining a light on the banner from the 95 Japan/Australia tour and >then the deep voice "You Wanted the Best!" came on and the band opened >with Deuce. . . . There were also hydraulic cranes that brought Gene, >Ace, and Paul over the crowd, and, of course, Peter's drum riser. > >My main problem with the show was the sloppiness.
Yeah, they play the way this guy writes . . .
Sorry.
Oh, BTW, this is not a flame!
Sir Reality
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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 12:59:33 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pentagonal glow-in-the-dark neon cows Message-ID: <31D81205.6AD7@dreamt.org>
>Rip....write those lyrics so we can write some moosic.
cow lyrics cant come by sitting down and saying "hey, i'll write some cow lyrics"... i gotta get it the right *moo*d for it ;)
whoa, i just got mail from someone and said i won a cowculador!
DT touring w/ VH? nope, i wouldnt like to see that.... its kinda like if Pantera were touring with Tori Amos... theyre both good bands/musicians, but dont exactly click on the same bill. just my opinion :)
> I wouldn't be surprised if JM was one of those silent but >deadly types. A sort of, Hannibal Lector in white gloves. :) > He probaly has the body of the guy from Blind Melon in his >root cellar. ;) (I know it's tasteless, but it seemed like the thing >to do at the time)
you know what, i thought it was strange DT didnt seem to care when BM ripped them up....................... then their singer just happened to die.................. ;) ;)
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:55:14 EDT From: CNG@tcco.com To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Prog. Nite in NYC Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+Fu,qlA@tcx.tcco.com>
Is anyone else going to see the show on 7/3 in NYC? I've been dying to see some real music. I'm sick of all the wannabe punk bands and neo-alternative acts. I'd love to meet some other DT fans. Just look for a 6' Chinese dude. Hopefully, I'll have shed the shirt and tie by then...
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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 19:34:30 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Music recommendations, today's youth and VH Message-ID: <31d812e8.14421382@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi folks,
>Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:22:46 -0600 (CDT) >From: randrews@post.cis.smu.edu (Robert Paul Andrews)
>to know what other ones would be good to pick up by Marillion.
My personal favorites by Marillion are all from the Fish era. I would recommend the following:
1. Clutching At Straws - Fantastic lyrics and musicianship from start to finish. Make sure that you buy the CD as it has the bonus track "Going Under". Arguably their best release.
2. Misplaced Childhood - Slightly more keyboard oriented than CAT, but a strong concept record. Highly enjoyable.
3. Fugazi - This one should be available for a fairly low price. There are some GREAT songs on this record (Assassing, Jigsaw)
4. The Thieving Magpie - This is a 2 disc live record and is basically a best of from the fish days. The recording is of excellent quality. It includes a live performance of Misplaced Childhood. If you can't afford to get all three of the above, pick this up. It is a great way to sample their sound.
If you like the Hogarth era stuff, I would suggest Season's End as your next purchase. It isn't as commercial as Holidays and there are some very good tracks (King of Sunset Town, Uninvited Guest)
>other than Echolyn (still haven't found Ivanhoe) what other good >discs would someone recommend. I know Matt Rosin has only told me >a bunch of his favs, but I'd like more input (no offense Matt :))
If you like Marillion, check out Enchant's Blueprint Of The World. This sounds very much like a mixture of Marillion and Kansas (vocally) and there are hints that the drummer is of the Peart school of percussion. The record was produced by Steve Rothery of Marillion and he guests on a couple of tracks. I love this record from start to finish and highly recommend it. You might also want to explore Shadow Gallery. Virtuoso keyboard playing and excellent guitar work can be found on Carved In Stone. The vocalist isn't a match for James, but his voice seems to work well on some of the tracks that have a foreboding quality to them. I believe Crystalline Dream may have had limited airplay. I believe there may have been a self-titled first release. Both of these artists are on the Magna Carta label. For further information, email magcart@aol.com. If you like the heavier end of the progressive spectrum, you might also want to check out Conception. Their record Parallel Minds, has a guitar driven, heavy, crunchy sound with fewer keyboards. The songs are melodic and catchy, yet not poppy. The guitarist is competent but not outstanding. If you are looking for John Petrucci II, you won't find it with these guys or any of the other progressive bands I'm afraid. Other releases are The Last Sunset, which I found to be weaker lyrically and In Your Multitude which I have never heard. With respect to Ivanhoe, I only have Symbols of Time. I'm not certain of the title of their first release but I think it may be Visions and Reality. The album is definitely DT influenced, but the songs are not nearly as mature and I find the singer's voice to be aggravating at times. (e.g. singing with excessive volume ala Michael Bolton on the record's ballad By A Feeling). The guitar playing isn't awful on this record, but for a band that everyone raved about, I just don't see what the big draw was. He is miles from where John is. Then again, everyone has to start somewhere. You might also want to look for Lethal's record called Programmed. They are heavy in the Queensryche vein and the singer bares a slight resemblance to Tate in the Warning era. I enjoy this stuff quite a bit. There are two additional releases. One, Your Favorite God, is an EP. The songs on this are similar to those on Programmed although the production (specifically the rhythm guitar sound) reminds slightly of The Black Album by Metallica (sorry Skadz, had to). The other is entitled Poisoned Seeds (I think) and is supposed to have a more 90s (read grungier) feel. I haven't heard this yet so I can't confirm or deny this. Leviathan's Deepest Secrets Beneath is progressive metal with a multitude of time changes and good overall production. However, the singer lacks the LaBrieish range that other bands of the progmetal spectrum have. They have a couple of other releases as well. Fates Warning is another MUST buy. Start with Parallels and Perfect Symmetry if you want the more melodic material or buy Chasing Time as an overview of the band's releases. Finally, I would recommend Crimson Glory. The first disc is self-titled and bares a strong resemblance to Queensryche. The standout track on this disc is Valhalla. You would swear that this was a QR demo. The second record, Transcendence, is also good, with a more melodic and somewhat more commercial sound. The instrumental production isn't quite as good though and I find the bass and drums to be a little light at times. However, songs like Painted Skies and Lady of Winter make this a great listen. There are ample amounts of harmony guitar leads as well. The third release is entitled Strange and Beautiful but I believe that it has been deleted. If anyone in Canada has a copy of this and wants to sell it, please email me pronto!! Your best bet would be to do a Netscape search for progressive-metal in Infoseek and visit some of the pages you pull up. Erik Welty publishes a progressive metal list which I have found to be VERY useful when record shopping, although you might look like a bit of a dick carrying around a file folder with you when you go shopping. :) I did this the first time I DLed a copy of the list.
>Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:48:50 -0400 (EDT) >From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
>were a decent number of people that seemed to like, or at least >respect DT... while I know that DT would not be as appreciated as we >would like them to be, they would at least recieve, IMO, a better >reception than most opening acts that I have seen at a VH concert...
I'm very happy to hear that actually. I would have though that many of the kids who listen to VH would be stuck in 4/4 mode. :) I was 15 when the first VH record came out and although I liked ELP, old Genesis and Yes, nothing went over better at parties than Running With The Devil. Different tastes for a different time perhaps.
>the DLR VH boots that I have, there are hardly any lyrics b/c DLR was >too trashed to sing... thats not what I want when I pay $35/ticket.
Point taken. Dave, much like many other rock vocalists of the 70s, did like to overindulge in alcohol frequently (among other substances I suspect). You're quite right in saying that you don't need to spend $35 (in Toronto you are looking at $45-50) to watch someone stumble around and mumble his way through two hours of lyrics.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 19:34:50 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1657 Message-ID: <31d82456.18882061@mail.inforamp.net>
Guten Nachmittag!
>Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 02:32:59 -0400 >From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
>> By the way, if any Jammers in the Toronto area are planning on >>attending the CON, let me know. I would like to attend, but don't want >>to be the only one capable of drinking Canadian beer at this thing. ;) > > If I ever find out how to reserve I will be heading down. Given I >am from Ottawa but that's still pretty Canadian :). I'll probably have a >friend down too so that's 3.
OK. This is what I propose. All of the American fans can bring their limited edition posters and T-shirts with them and we'll challenge them to a beer drinking contest with the winner getting the spoils. I would be willing to put up my 1979 Alex Lifeson HIWATT guitar head as collateral. :) NOT!!! In all seriousness though, how are you planning on getting there if you go? Are you driving or flying? Second, if any of you in the US would be willing to email me privately with info on how I could get some I&W or Awake shirts, PLEASE DO SO!! You can't get that stuff anywhere here and I would love to have one. Just one!!
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:56:09 -0400 From: "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the bastardization of Van Halen Message-ID: <199607011956.MAA20296@mindcrime.ax.com>
> From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> > When Van Hagar came to Detroit a couple of ... {SNIP}
I always hated that phrase.......
Van Halen was always about Eddie.... calling it Van Hagar....or Van Roth....is pointless....
I hate asking....but do you guys mind if we call the band what they really are.....???
VAN HALEN
M O J O
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:50:53 -0400 From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Rush and DT (First order bovines) Message-ID: <0010200003154194000002*@MHS>
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:33:11 -0700 > From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Linear Cows > > Okay...you gave me examples of how DT's playing styles are the same as > Rush's. Now give me examples of how the actual MUSIC is alike..say, name a > DT song and a Rush song that sound alike, or a part of a song from each > band. I'm not disagreeing with you, btw, just curious to find what I've missed.
Well, I didn't bring this thread up originally, but I think I can give you a fairly obvious example. Put on "Xanadu" and then follow it up with "Awake Heavy Jam" (I think that's the one) from _Subconscious_. If you don't see any musical similarities, might I suggest Q-tips.
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com The wind is free. Use it.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:59:46 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DAVE ego...? Kings X. general....no dt Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.7.1.14.59.46.1502.3335@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
I was reading some of the post about the David Lee Roth having the big ego thing. I wonder sometimes, if Dave will have the "SAME" big EGO he did years back. He is older and (wiser??). well, I would think since the money hasnt been coming in like it use to maybe he changed a bit??? This is a chance to make some real good money again for Dave. I know if I was Dave, Id be kissing some ass.
It's kinda funny, I ran across a 83 US Fest (live VAN HALEN video). Bought it up about 4 weeks ago.
I also found a "new" Kings X cd. Ear Candy. Sounds good.
I didnt even know Kings X had a new CD out.
Anyone see the KISS tour yet? Kiss will be here in Kansas City JULY 3rd.
see ya!!
todd s
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:04:18 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater**** Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.7.1.15.4.18.5668.1473@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all you Ytsejamers-
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IF YOU would like your own sticker(s)...then you can write to the address below. The Stickers are only $2.00 each. (includes shipping and handling). (U.S. Currency/check/M.O. accepted). Orders *Outside the U.S./add $1.00 for shipping/on any # ordered).
(((want to get even a better deal??? If you order 10 or more stickers at any one time...your cost is $1.50 each)* (total $15.00). ALSO if you order 10 or more, your name will be entered in the DT CD drawing five (5) times, so your chances to win are greater!)))
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If you have ANY questions, feel free to write me!
take care,
todd s
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