YTSEJAM Digest 1659
Today's Topics:
1) Re: the bastardization of Van Halen
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
2) Dave Matthews Band, Space Dye Vest, Converting DT Fans
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
3) one of my ocassional posts (includes some DT content)
by "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
4) Yee Haw!!!
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
5) Labrie out of Dream Theater....
by "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net>
6) More responses...
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
7) holidayshowdub/myungvid
by d94-mry@nada.kth.se
8) Ok, more stuff
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
9) A Pair Of Replies
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
10) kiss opener
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
11) 104.3
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Chambers)
12) The Triumph of the Nerds....
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:07:09 -0500
From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the bastardization of Van Halen
Message-ID: <199607012007.PAA21865@wks1-48.cummins.com>
>
> > From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
> > When Van Hagar came to Detroit a couple of ... {SNIP}
>
> I always hated that phrase.......
>
> Van Halen was always about Eddie....
>
[snip]
>
> M O J O
>
>
>
>
Aren't you forgetting Alex?????
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:13:59 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dave Matthews Band, Space Dye Vest, Converting DT Fans
Message-ID: <9607012113.AA01266@lively.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
According to a grubby poster I saw in the city centre, the Dave Matthews
Band will be playing here on the 8th of July. Mainly due to Ben's
raving about this band, I'm thinking about going along. But then again,
I know what Ben thinks about Paradise Lost and the new Metallica, so I'm
having second thoughts :-)
The thing is, though, I have absolutely no idea what they sound like. Could
someone give me an idea of what I should expect to hear?
Another thing . . . what does a Space Dye Vest actually look like? I'd be
really grateful if someone could mail me a jpeg, or something :-) Or, even
better, send me a real one!
Another thing . . . converting people to like DT. Well, I've been working
on my sister for the last 3 years, and so far she's admitted that she likes
Another Day. She falls for soppy stuff like that :-) She's also admitted that
Surrounded "could be worse".
Do you think I should keep trying? :-)
Graham B.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 21:30:55 UT
From: "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: one of my ocassional posts (includes some DT content)
Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199607012131240796@msn.com>
Good afternoon ...
A few things are on my mind.
I watched Images and Words: Live in Tokyo last night for the second time. I
noticed in John's guitar solo (in "To Live Forever") that he quotes the
Beatles' "Within You Without You." (It sure sounds like it anyway ... "we
were talking about the space between ourselves ...") This may have been
discussed before, but I will not apologize because I'm sure most of you would
rather read this than something unrelated to that band from Long Island that
is sometimes discussed on here. (For instance, I will not post what I think
about Hagar being fired from Van Halen; e-mail me privately if you want to
know why I am disappointed.)
A few days ago, people were talking about whether James writes/derives his
own melodies or not. In an issue of Metal Edge that came out around the time
Awake was released, James is quoted as saying that he and John (Petrucci) did
the melodies for Awake (James joined the band too late to do much on Images
and Words, supposedly).
Speaking of John Petrucci, guess what the name is of the owner of my local
West Coast Video? I'll give you a few hints: it's the same as the man who
wrote the lyrics to such epics as "Scarred" and "Metropolis Part I (The
Miracle and the Sleeper)." Now how many of you can say that John Petrucci
owns the nearest West Coast Video? Not many? No one? (Now who cares?
Probably no one.)
By the way, if anyone wants to know what I think (if you don't skip over the
next few lines): I'm somewhat puzzled as to why Rush (one of my favorite bands
in the world) is so uptight about their tribute album. I respect their right
to control their songs, but I think that they should be honored (plus, they
can probably get royalties since their songs are being used).
You can relax now; I'm finished. This message is over. Back to more
enjoyable posts.
Jeff Falk
King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com
finalist: 1996 Ayn Rand Institute essay contest for The Fountainhead
"tell me ... an alternative to what?" Anthrax, "Tester"
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:45:23 -0500 (EDT)
From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yee Haw!!!
Message-ID: <199607012145.OAA22429@mindcrime.ax.com>
Howdy y'all from the Bluegrass,
Ben said this:
> The fact is that kids my age and around my age aren't Musically Mature
> enough to enjoy and understand Dream Theater music. So what if they bought
> it? They wouldn't like it.
>
Ben, you are just too cool. So when exactly do you leave the realm of the 14
year olds and join the 15 year olds? In defense of the rest of the 14/15 year
old population, when I was 15, I was listening to Marty Friedman and Jason
Becker and Yngwie and Stryper. Oh, well, just forget about that last part.
Babs siad this:
> >Scott Daugherty, wishing he lived in New York instead of Kentucky.
>
> Hi Scott, it's BABS. Can you get me a good deal on a banjo? (Only
> teasing). New York's not all it's cracked up to be (of course, the part of
> NY I'm from could easily be mistaken for Kentucky - laugh).....
>
Hey, check it out! Babs said "Hi Scott, it's BABS," not "Hi everyone, it's
BABS!" I have been directly spoken to by a real celebrity! About that banjo,
I dunno, I'd probably have a better chance of gettin ya a guitar signed by
Billy Ray Cyrus or something. "Don't take my heart, my achy, breaky...."
And then came this, from Niel Gallop:
> Hi all
>
> I know there are some Kyuss fans on the Jam, so here is the latest news that I
> have about one of the best bands (RIP) I ever heard or saw:
I've always wondered how one goes about pronouncing this band's name. I mean,
if somebody from the south, like me, said the two bands KISS and KYUSS back to
back, would they sound the same? I like saying Kyuss like a real hick:
Kee-uhs. "Hey ma, that freaky band Kee-uhs is tourin agin. Ain't they the
ones lookin like women with all that make up?" :)
Welp, that's our show, y'all come back now, ya here!!!
Bye bye,
Scott Daugherty
P.s. Everything I said, whether it sounded like it or not, was a flame.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:45:22 -0400
From: "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Labrie out of Dream Theater....
Message-ID: <199607012145.OAA22465@mindcrime.ax.com>
I had a VERY strange dream last night......
* Remember the threads of rumours that DT kicked LaBrie?????
* well...I was reading a newspaper interview with Sammy Hagar and Sammy
said " I have already gotten two offers from VERY big bands.....both would
be a lateral move for me...."
well...anyway....my dream was imagining Sammy in Dream Theater.....(I
know I'm gonna get flamed for this one)......keep in mind, it was a
dream....imagine that, though....Im not too sure I would like it...but in
my dream....Sammy fit right in...
Anyway.....See Ya....
M O J O, T H E M A G I C A L V8
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries)
Subject: More responses...
Message-ID: <199607012156.RAA29252@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
More responses:
> dt news- james labrie is officially out of dt! devon townshend is the new
> singer.
-No, the position will be shared by Barney Greenway and Jello Biafra.
> If you like Marillion, check out Enchant's Blueprint Of The
> World. This sounds very much like a mixture of Marillion and Kansas
> (vocally) and there are hints that the drummer is of the Peart school
> of percussion. The record was produced by Steve Rothery of Marillion
> and he guests on a couple of tracks. I love this record from start to
> finish and highly recommend it.
-I think Enchant sounds more like Rush than Marillion, and it's
not just the drums, it's the vocals and song structure as well, though
the drums are uncanny, that is, very much unlike a can. All-in-all, it is
a great album.
> > From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
> > When Van Hagar came to Detroit a couple of ... {SNIP}
>
> I always hated that phrase.......
-I was using it as a generalization between the too VH camps. Since
I couldn't just type VH, I found it shorter to type Van Hagar than to
type Van Halen with lead vocalist Sammy Hagar, to distinguish which era I
was referring too.
-Besides, who the hell cares? We've got people making
cow-nections to bovines and bands/songs/lyrics on the jam. We've got
people saying Bland Lemon instead of Blind Melon (Not that there is a
comparison musically to VH) and even DT jokingly changing Fates Warning's
name to FATEZ in the credits after FW spelled DT's name "Theatre" in
their credits.
> Van Halen was always about Eddie....
> calling it Van Hagar....or Van Roth....is pointless....
-That's not entirely true, DLR was one hell of a front-man for VH,
what he lacked in vocal ability, he more than made up for presence. Yeah,
There would be no VH without Eddie, but DLR played no small part.
> I hate asking....but do you guys mind if we call the band what they
> really are.....???
-Lacking a lead vocalist? (no malice intended, just humor)
>
> Okay...you gave me examples of how DT's playing styles are the same as
> Rush's. Now give me examples of how the actual MUSIC is alike..say, name a
> DT song and a Rush song that sound alike, or a part of a song from each
> band. I'm not disagreeing with you, btw, just curious to find what I've
> missed.
-There are definite similarities in MP's drum style. Strangely
enough, I find LSoaD very reminiscent of U2.
>
> I also found a "new" Kings X cd. Ear Candy. Sounds good.
>
-I find it relatively boring.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:13:03 +0200 (MET DST)
From: d94-mry@nada.kth.se
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: holidayshowdub/myungvid
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2x.960701233808.2387D-100000@mumrik.nada.kth.se>
Hi Jammerz,
I don't have much time to read all the jams nowadays but I still enjoy
some of the discussions. Therefore there are some things I've missed and
that I must find out about:
1) What is Critical Mass and why haven't I ordered it?
2) How do I get a PAL (European) version of the Myung-video?
(Oh, he's NOT replaceable.)
3) Is there someone out there with an excellent copy of the
best one of the three shows from last december, to dub for me?
I missed the tape-trees, and have to hear ACOS, Scarred, LTL
and Heart Of The Sunrise (all of which I've heard were played
at the shows.)
Report from the Roskilde Festival in Denmark this weekend:
Saw great performances by Slayer (daylight - opened with South Of Heaven
& War Ensemble, played Richard Hung Himself + Antichrist + I Hate You -
very, very good), Type-O-Negative, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Presidents Of
The USA (they do NOT suck, they're extremeley cool and put on a great
show, have great songs and play and jam with a good sense of musicality.)
Also saw Sepultura (kinda boring), Amorphis (works good on record but not
impressive live), Sugar Ray (very good live band, tight, focused, good
atmosphere) and Dave Matthews Band, which was nothing short of amazing.
Their drummer is not from this planet. Their version of All Along The
Watchtower blew me away.
---Back to DTC: Who should produce the DT-album?
My opinion is that they should produce themselves, with some good engineering help. For what I know that wasn't the case when they recorded WDADU. They more or less produced themselves, but didn't get the engineering/sound-thing together at all. I wonder how that happened, since i know that Terry Date (the producer for that album) have produced very heavy, good-sounding albums with Soundgarden, esp Badmotorfinger. If they just fiddle with the knobs to get strong, good, natural sounds (hoping for a real Hammond this time) the producing thing is no problem since they've always got most of the ideas ready and demoed. Soundgardens latest one was self-produced and it sounds a lot better than Superunknown, prod. by Beinhorn I think.
The other option is to go with either:
1) Baron/Purdell (I didn't like the Awake production that much, the guitars have annoying hi-mids and the snare sounds awful, far too much reverb) 2) Prater (the IAW production sounds a little bit dated now, but I kindof like the triggered snares, if they'd just not been THAT over-kill loud and sharp. The ACOS production is top notch, sounds a little rougher and like it was done faster and with less budget. It sounds very fresh.)
Or: Max Norman, Bob Rock, Broon, Peter Collins... what do you think?
Well, when you post once a month you can afford to be lengthy. And BTW, I like OASIS too. I think they're fab.
Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry@nada.kth.se /~~~~~~~~~~\~~~~BassPlayer/GLASS~~~~/ - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry \ no wrong, no right / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ or guilt admission / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Currently in the changer: RETURN TO FOREVER: Romantic Warrior / IGGY POP: New Values / DREAM THEATER: Antiquities / CARCASS: Swansong / METALLICA: Load / KISS: You Wanted The Best... / SINGER: Fill In The Blanks / TYPE-O-NEGATIVE: October Rust / PRONG: Rude Awakening / JONAS HELLBORG, SHAWN LANE / JEFF SIPE: Live In Sweden
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:19:14 -0500 (EDT) From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ok, more stuff Message-ID: <199607012219.PAA23036@mindcrime.ax.com>
Howdy,
Mark Tomko wrote this:
> better than I ever gave him credit for. Holding up the bottom for the > ensembles was what looked like a six string upright bass, called a Violone. > I knew better, and caught up with the musician playing it. The violone is > the ancestor of the bass. It has six strings and FRETS made of gut. It is > tuned DGCEAD. Guitarists and six string slingers: try this tuning. I > fooled around with it a bit, and it makes for some interesting music.
I found this interesting, Mark. I've never quite heard the term Violone used, but what you're describing is more commonly called a Viola da Gamba, at least in these parts. They come or came in various sizes: alto, tenor, and bass. The bass is, of course, the biggest. Was what you saw really big, or smaller than an average contrabass? Was it supported by a peg, or held more like a cello? I ask because a friend of mine has an authentic Baroque bass and it is much larger than his bass viola da gamba copy.
Just for everybody's info, the tuning you mentioned: DGCEAD, is just the same intervals as with the modern guitar, except that the major third is between the third and fourth strings instead of the second and third. Classical guitarists, like me :), use this tuning when we play Reniassance music that was written on the vihuela. I don't want to sound high and mighty, or sound like I'm trying to out do Mark. I just like talkin' about this stuff.
You're right about it being the predecessor of the modern bass, as well as the guitar. The bass is not of the violin family, as one might think, instead it comes from the gamba family.
See ya guys,
Scott, from the Daugherty family :)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:26:31 -0400 From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Pair Of Replies Message-ID: <19960701222630498.AAA160@mail.fxn.com>
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> >Subject: That's the thing that tells you what I'm writing about > Dude always comments on my posts. Just returning the favor, D.
>> pretty cool. They had T-Shirts with the faces from the YWTBYGTB cover > >Wasn't that on WDADU? > It was TOWHTSTS. OTOH, I could be wrong. BTW, IMHO, LFAGA, TKH and OAMOT are cool too. TTYL.
------------------------- >From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) >In fact, they >play some of the best music I have heard, but I do not/will not love either the >music or the band. There are very few things that I love in this world (my >girlfriend, for example, and most of my family), and I find all of this stuff >like "I love this song" or "when I first heard Awake I really cried" quite >puke-inducing. > Some people might find a comment like that FLAME-inducing. Granted, one person will not be moved by a piece of music as much as another person, but donchya think you're opening yourself up for some flamage? A person who would say "I love this song" or "I cried when I heard that song" is probably someone who acts on feelings and would probably read that and think "Neil's rippin' on me! I oughta tear him a new asshole wide enough for a 747 to fly through!" I'm sure you have an intelligent point to make, for I am *hopefully* offering an inteligent rebuttal.
>The guys in the band are good musicians and they play some good >stuff - nothing more, nothing less. They are not gods. Get real. Get a life. > Granted, they are not gods; they are human. But you have to admit that not just anyone could do what they do. Whether they "play some good stuff - nothing more, nothing less" is TOTALLY in the ear of the beholder. "Get real. Get a life" seems rather harsh. I obviously do not feel the same way about the music [BTW, I will probably make you puke ;)] as you do. Anything in life that you dislike, someone else will probably express undying affection for.
If you want to know the truth, "Learning To Live" almost never fails to bring tears to my eyes. While most of their other songs aren't as "intense" to me, I definitely think a LOT more than "gee, JP is playing a really wicked arpeggio at 3:22 of this song." This band that *just* "plays some good stuff - nothing more, nothing less" happens to mean a lot to me. Ironically, I never thought much about the emotional content of music until DT came along - as we all know they are criticized for being emotionally bland. This band opened my ears, my mind, AND my HEART. I think I tried to say something intelligent, but perhaps my puke-inducing feelings got in the way.
We are very different, Neil. I thoroughly pointed out that your viewpoint is different than mine. I suppose I can still acknowledge yours. Please acknowledge mine.
>I'm off to piss on my wheaties (whatever that may mean). > Ah HA! There's the problem... If someone mistook my breakfast for a urinal, I'd be somewhat upset. If that someone was myself, I'd be VERY upset. ;)
Stay happy and safe listening Elliott Kim (elliott@fxn.com) Currently experiencing puke-inducing emotions, courtesy of: Mary-Chapin Carpenter - Stones In The Road.
Elliott Kim -------------------------------------------------------| |--------------------------------- elliott@fxn.com, e-man@dreamt.org http://www.fxn.com/users/e/elliott---------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:56:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: kiss opener Message-ID: <199607012256.AA10589@metronet.com>
> Sorry about the NDTC but I read in the Kiss review posted by Scott Cook > (Thanks for that review by the way!) that Alice In Chains was there. Does > anyone know if that was a one time thing or what. Kiss will be here in > Dallas on Friday and I was wandering (and now hoping) if AIC will be there > also. If anyone has any information I would greatly appreciate it!!! > > Bill Wrightson > bwrights@dnaent.com
sorry to tell you, but aic will not be in dallas. pushmonkey (from austin) is opening all 3 texas shows. incidentally, pushmonkey also opened all 5 texas dream theater/fates warning '94 shows. they are pretty good.
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"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free. Everything that is contradictory creates life." -Salvador Dali, 1980
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:52:54 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Chambers) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 104.3 Message-ID: <96070118525435@acl.nyit.edu>
>All the information that I just gave is 100% true and was just told overthe >radio waves on 104.3 here in NY. Sorry that there was no DT contenthere, but I >just thought that some of you guys might of been interested insome of the info >that I just shared.
Unfortuantely, 104.3 has changed formats and is now a classic rock station(I dont particularly care for Calssic rock that much), did any of the New York Jammers hear about this, it shocked me. They were one of the only stations that played a decent amount of Rush, other than that they pretty much sucked.
******************************************************************************** Chambers jforte@acl.nyit.edu
"Hope is epidemic, optimism spreads, bitterness breeds irritation, ignorance breeds imitation" --Rush ********************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:14:04 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Triumph of the Nerds.... Message-ID: <199607012314.QAA16390@main.cfmc.com>
Drive-By Comments from Adam:
1) I can't imagine thinking that Dream Theater is an unemotional band. Well, I can IMAGINE it, I just can't agree. The whole notion that technical facility precludes emotion is silly -- Picasso was technically facile. Shakespeare had quite the way with words, as does, for example, Cherrie Moraga. At any rate, Nuno Bettencourt said something that applies here: "Feel is only feel is you feel it." At first glance, that surely doesn't sound too brilliant. But it's a good point. You can bend notes until the cows come home and evolve into the uberman -- there's no feel unless it connects. And Petrucci CONNECTS for me. So I'd say he's got as much feel as Allan Holdsworth or Van Halen or Hendrix or damn near anyone else you wanna bring to the table. He's in that first tier of players, which includes the four mentioned above, along with Lifeson and Reid and Sharrock and a few others.
2) Kyuss was the ultimate Palm Desert tweaker band. There's just something about those records...they've invented a sub-sub-sub-genre. I'd like to hear whatever comes of the remnants of the band......
3) I'd say "Holidays In Eden" is the second best album from the Marillion catalog, but that's damn near heresy among real Marillion fans. I, too, would recommend "Clutching At Straws" as their best album, and "Season's End" as the best record with Hogarth that isn't "Holidays In Eden." But true prog-heads tend to opt for "Script For A Jester's Tear" and "Misplaced Childhood" before either of those two. I'd recommend them before "Afraid of Sunlight," anyhow.
4) Portoy sounds more like Simon Phillips than Neil Peart? Hmmm....can't agree there. Simon's more from the Ginger Baker school, I'd say, though he's played some Euro-Metal (MSG). They're all seriously impressive drummers, though... Simon is AMAZING on "Lost Horizons."
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: 1. Metallica -- Load (Yes...I DO like this album) 2. Dar Williams -- Mortal City 3. Yes -- The Yes Album 4. Lost Souls -- Doin' The Modern Mojo 5. Jann Arden -- Living Under June
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