YTSEJAM Digest 1692
Today's Topics:
1) Zantac 75
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
2) YtseCon III
by Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
3) Singing high, Covering DT
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1686
by Gregory A Larson <lars0375@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
5) FW and Metal.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
6) attention Boston area ytse-addicts
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
7) Let's not start a drug discussion, please.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
8) Not my fault
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1690
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
10) Re: Trading Troubles
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
11) 2112/Huxley/Kubrick, Faith No More
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
12) SPOT THE LOONY
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:35:21 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Zantac 75
Message-ID: <199607151835.LAA15319@main.cfmc.com>
The wrath of Adam, after his workload lightens up a little bit. More musings:
>>>"All animals are created equal but animals are more equal than others."
>>> - can anyone name that quote?
>>
>>Charles Darwin -- 150 years ago.
>
>Uhhhh...I don't think so. It was George Orwell in "Animal Farm".
I guess some people don't appreciate a good (?) evolutionary biology joke.
Oh well, I guess I'm in the minority, reading Ernst Mayr and all.
>From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
>
>The opening band opened up with Iron Maiden's the Trooper,
>being the Maiden fan I am, I shit myself silly, I still
>have the smile on my face, too bad the bassist did the bass
>line different, oh well, not everyone can hack a steve
>harris part.
Back in '92, my band played a little crappy club gig with a grindcore band.
We closed with "The Trooper." Inspired, they did, too....but it was some
weird sounding shit, man. The bass player just about hung....though I think
it's one of Steve Harris' easier tunes to take on....it ain't "ROTAM" or
anything....
>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>
>>My wonder now is how FW are gonna make a song coherent across twice
>>that duration. IMO, only two bands have managed to do a coherent song
>>more than 20 mins:
>
>>Dream Theater: ACoS
>>Mekong Delta: Dances of Death
>
>i suppose youre excluding 2112 from that statement because everyone here
>knows of it... but bands like Iced Earth, who had a 17 minute song,
>Dante's Inferno, and Manowar, which has like a 30+ minute song, can
>still pull it off. besides, one of these days Beefquad-X is gonna write
>an 80 minute song.. maybe longer
Yeah, "2112" is the obvious call. "The Fountain of Lamneth is one second
short," and I think it hangs together pretty well, though it IS a little
weird. But has no one here ever heard of "Thick As A Brick?"
>From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
>
>Dammit, I forgot exactly what I was gonna post about, so I'll post something
>else. ;)
>
>ANy Jammers going to the Tori concert in San Jose on sunday the 14th? I'll
>be wearing a 'Jam shirt, so I won't be too hard to find. And hey, if any of
>us get her attention and she asks us fr a resuest, ask her if she knows any
>DT! :) Hey, maybe we'll get a cool rendition of WFS or SDV or something.
>Wouldn't it be neat?
>
> ~Chris
No, but I DID go to the show (the first one) she did at the Paramount in
Oakland on the 12th (and just a five minute drive from my digs in Alameda,
no less!). She was awfully good, but I hadn't seen her before....she played
most of the tunes a lot more rubato than I'd have done. Letting a song
breathe is done thing, doing CPR at the end of every phrase is quite another...
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. The X Factor -- Iron Maiden
2. Sara Hickman -- Shortstop
3. Mental Relapse -- Urban Dance Squad
4. School Days -- Stanley Clarke
5. All The World's A Stage -- Rush
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:45:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseCon III
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.94L.960715144248.11541A-100000@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! Just wanted to let you know that we are now accepting checks
for pre-paid admission to the YtseCon III. The pre-paid price is $20 per
person. However, if you pay at the door, it will be $25 per person. I
set up an account for the convention, so you can write your checks out to:
YtseCon III
and send it to:
Jeff Chew
350 Broadway, suite 703
New York, NY 10013
When you send the check, please include something that says your name,
e-mail address, phone number (optional), and the number of people you plan
on bringing along (well, it'll be obvious by the amount of the check).
Also, to remind you, we are also now accepting checks for hotel rooms if
you plan on staying at the La Guardia MArriot. It's $100 per room per
night, but you can always split a room with a ytsejammer (it'll probably
be more fun that way anyway). Let me know if you need someone to
split a room with. Send checks to the same address above, and
also make the check out to 'YtseCon III'. However, if you do plan on
reserving a room, I'd prefer if you leave your phone number so I can
contact you for any reason.
If you need airfare, Rich Worldwide Travel can book you on a flight if you
call at 1-800-431-1130. Just say that you are going to the 'Dream Theater
Convention'. They'll know what you're talking about.
Well, that's all from here! I hope to hear from you, TTYL!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
<*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
<*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Work (212) 442-0041 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are
you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:50:12 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Singing high, Covering DT
Message-ID: <31ea892f.143738@mail.inforamp.net>
Hello Metropolitans,
>Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:47:34 +0200
>From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
>through. I think that singing as high as Arch IS somewhat a talent. OK King
>Diamond sings that high, and right but Arch has this fragility that gives
>this extra feeling (sounds like a condom ad).
Hahaha! Now THAT is a classic Ytsejam quotable! I agree with
you though that singing that high is difficult. Once your throat
becomes fatigued, your tone just dies and then your range disappears.
It's almost like having a hamstring cramp in your throat.
I can get through most of the stuff on I&W and some of the
stuff on Awake. However, the scratch vocal that James uses is very
hard on my throat and I can't hit those notes if I scratch them. I
have noticed that the high passages on Innocence Faded and 6:00 are
sung cleanly. Maybe James has a point where it becomes uncomfortable
for him too.
My normal range and tone is similar to Geoff Tate around the
Rage For Order and Mindcrime period. I am pleased with that and am
well aware that I'll probably never have the range or vibrato
technique that James does. The operatic training he got from Rosemary
Burns has done wonders for his breathing and his vibrato is damn near
flawless. It almost sounds like a voltage controlled oscillator it's
so precise!
Actually, I seem to recall a discussion about the Jammers
getting together to do their own renditions of some of the tracks, at
least vocally. I think Brian Wherry might be the only JP on the Jam.
:) Are there any plans to actually do this? I would love to be
involved in something like that.
If any of you were going to do a take on one of the songs
vocally, which one would you choose? Personally, I would choose To
Live Forever. That's the song I can best emulate.
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 23:06:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gregory A Larson <lars0375@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1686
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960713094337.11613A-100000@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
How do I get taken off this mailing list?
If you can arrange it, I'd appreciate it.
GregLarson
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:32:26 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FW and Metal.
Message-ID: <199607151932.MAA23513@maple.enet.net>
>>Fates Warning isn't metal. They were metal, but they aren't now.
>
>That was quick! Could you develop this a bit more please? what is metal for
>you? These days, when I say "metal", i don't refer to Judas Priest anymore.
>That's too old. In fact, I'd classify prog bands into 4 categories (some
>examples):
>
>1. metal: Fates Warning, Elegy, Sanctuary
>2. jazz/blues: Dream Theater
>3. classical: Shadow Gallery, Angra, Conception, Mekong Delta
>4. rock/pop: Rush
>
>I hope you see better why I think FW is still metal. Tell me if I've got it
>all wrong.
Whoa there....you really, truly, actually think that Inside Out is heavier
than Awake? No way! It's not even darker. I'd venture to say that Inside Out
is more progressive than Awake, with the exception of Erotomania. Erotomania
is the only song on Awake that makes me think "PROG!!!!". The rest are just
other styles with odd time signatures and exceptional talent, ranging from
new age rock (6:00) to blues (Scarred [intro]) to metal (The Mirror/Lie) to
alternative (parts of Voices). It's still awesome, don't get me wrong...but
not that proggy. Erotomania has the main groove in an odd time and has the
neoclassical stuff in it too (guitar solo).
Inside Out, on the other hand, sounds very proggy (to me). That IO
sound is the only time I've ever heard anything like that...FW has a very
unique sound on that album. They also incorporate odd time signatures and
quite a bit of talent, and to me, that's Prog.
>>That's what I say.....but people still don't like it when I walk around
>>naked in public. Go figure.
>
>It must be that hair in your left nostril.
>
Mebbe...that sucker don't stop growin'
>i
>couldn't really give a monkey's ass. could anyone?
Only a zookeeper with lots of connections.
>I wouldn't separate dreams from nightmares because they're seldom distinct.
>As to whether you have control of your dreams, I'm not sure. In dreams,
>your subconsciousness takes over in two ways:
>
>1. you dream of the reality you long for
>2. you dream of the reality you are unaware of
3. you dream of everything that happened to you that day or something you
were thinking about before you went to bed, only all mixed up.
I've had dreams, then woken up and realized why I dreamt about that.
Like, a few nights ago I dreamt that I was running around killing all these
people (which was a little unnerving), but it was because somebody (Rip, D)
was talking about Duke Nukem 3D before I went to bed. So, I dreamt about that.
>What do you expect from me Merlo? Do you expect me to welcome him back
>with open arms?
I think we exPECTED you to do exactly what you did. We WANTED you to just
forget about it since it's obvious that you're never going to get your tapes.
>I dont see how anyone can welcome back a known bad trader ripoff. I guess
>that shows the type of person you really are.
>
Here...watch this: Welcome back, Al.
And yeah...I know I'm cool.
>To FW's "Perfect symmetry", I associate SimCity 2000!!!
SC2000 means Countdown to Extinction for me. I listened to dat while I used
billion dollar cheat codes and destroyed scenario cities. :-)
>These days however, I'm refraining from listening to a whole load
>of CDs because they'd remind me of my girlfriend who just dumped me.
Bummer, Dave.
>Fuck.
No thanks. :-)
>Life's a bitch and then you die.
Celebrate we will, cause life is short but sweet, for certain. (cheer up, man)
>Yes, but 2112 has to have breaks in order to allow the story
>to flow smoothly. Remember that after confronting the priests, he is
>very distraught and collapses from exhaustion into the dream.
Which makes my point..it's one story spread over a few songs.
Wanna know what a good idea is? Listening to music with earplugs in. That
way, when you turn it up loud, you can still FEEL the music (which is why
it's fun to turn it up), but it doesn't hurt your ears. On the subject of
bass drums (which I'm bringing up because i want to, dammit), I like the
Awake sound more than I&W. I&W is a click. Awake is a boom. Bass drums
aren't supposed to kick. They're supposed to boom. Fast double bass lines
sound better as a low rumble (to me) than they do as somebody clicking their
fingernails on a desk.
>>Buzzin' on caffeine...
>
> Buzzin' on life!
No...it's caffeine. ;-)
Awaken the Guardian is cool.
And on the seventh day he.....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Ben Laussade
laussade@enet.net -or- ytse-ben@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7874/
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:04:41 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: attention Boston area ytse-addicts
Message-ID: <31EA9649.41C6@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Not sure if this'll make it down the packet highway in time, but I just
got to talk to a fairly hip guy at the WBCN request line. I requested
DT, of course (any guesses? Hint: it wasn't PMU :). He seemed to
indicate a possiblity of playing it! Perhaps there will be some hope for
BCN :)
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
"Is it true that if I jump off the ground, I'm technically
in low earth orbit for as long as I'm in the air?"
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:38:59 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Let's not start a drug discussion, please.
Message-ID: <199607151938.MAA23769@maple.enet.net>
Just
Say
NO!!!!
And on the seventh day he.....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Ben Laussade
laussade@enet.net -or- ytse-ben@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7874/
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:46:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Not my fault
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960715154517.1398b-100000@bdmserver>
> From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1690
>
>>From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>>Subject: merlo
>>
>>What do you expect from me Merlo? Do you expect me to welcome him back
>>with open arms?
>>
> Aw shee-it. You two at it again?
Merlo started it...
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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|The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:53:44 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1690
Message-ID: <199607151953.MAA15327@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>
>>>
I just saw the Pumpkins last Wednesday at the US AIR Arena. I think
this was the eventual last show of the tour due to the keyboard
player's death and the drummer being arrested.
<<<
The drummer was released on bail and has a court date for July 30. As
far as the tour goes, the dates until July 27, I think, have been
postponed, the rest of the tour will go on as scheduled. I don't mean
to sound heartless, but the keyboard player was a hired hand so to
speak and can be replaced. And the band's attorney's can postpone the
trial for at least a year.
I know it's not hip on *this* list to enjoy bands like the Smashing
Pumpkins, but htey're one of my favorite bands and I hope they don't
cancel the tour, especially since I have a ticket to see them at The
San Jose Arena in August. :)
Grinder
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
Subject: Re: Trading Troubles
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960715155026.1398d-100000@bdmserver>
On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Mark Metzger wrote:
> Your trading troubles are way too old. Please consider your troubles with
> this clown to be a lost bet and move on. If you keep festering about it,
> you will die of a heart attack. Really. I am sure that you are a very
> decent person, but I know that I speak with many on the jam who would
> appreciate you considering taking (and keeping) this matter offline.
>
oh, I will consider it. As long as he keeps on posting to the jam he
deserves it. It is people like you who have your attitude that just laugh
at people getting ripped off in trades that make others think it is ok to
ripoff people. I suppose you have never been ripped off? Because if you
have then you would consider my point of view. I post to the jam once in
awhile about this matter and I haven't done so in months. I just did
because Al posted a message after not being around for months. Then there
were all these "Welcome back Al" instead of "Pay up Al" messages.
He seems to be buddies with a lot of jammers. How come know one says pay
up Al?
Believe me I have considered it a lost cause. Al Balkewicz is a RIPOFF. I
wont waste anymore space in the jam on this subject unless new
developments occur (or Merlo, fuels the flame fest... :) )
> Thank you,
> Mark Metzger
> mmetzger@bostech.com
>
>
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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|The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:51:15 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 2112/Huxley/Kubrick, Faith No More
Message-ID: <31eaa7ff.531069@mail.inforamp.net>
Howdy!
>Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:34:27 +0100
>From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
>I see what Neil Peart "borrowed" from to write the story. Of course it's
>not an incredible revelation that it was inspired by Ayn Rand's novella,
>"Anthem." Not only am I a fan of Ayn Rand, but of all those "Brave New
>World" type stories like _Brave New World_, _1984_, the film _Demolition
>Man_ etc... While your point is valid, I also see the "Brave New World"
>type of story too - set in the future in a society ruled by a select few and
>expression limited, blah blah blah....
God! How could I have been so blind as to miss out on that
Huxley linkage!?!!? That is a fantastic book and well worth the time
to read.
Speaking of totalitarianism, has anyone seen A Clockwork
Orange? This is Stanley Kubrick at his finest. The movie portrays a
futuristic society where gang violence is as bad as it is in today's
inner cities. The main character, Alex, undergoes classical
conditioning to aversive to him any sort of violence or sexual
stimulation that the state deems unacceptable.
Alex is played by Malcolm MacDowell who played the baddy in
Star Trek:Generations.
Those of you who like the storyline of 2112 should really
enjoy this.
>Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:55:11 -0500
>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>dug out an old Faith No More cd! Sheeot! what ever happened to these
>guys either?
You're no kidding. The Real Thing was a brilliant record. I
like every song on that disc, although Woodpecker from Mars wears a
bit thin after the 5th listen or so. :) From Out of Nowhere and
Falling To Pieces are still among my favorite songs.
When Angel Dust came out, I was so disappointed that I didn't
even bother to buy the one with the red cover. I can't remember what
it's called.
If you like them, try to rent or buy a copy of their live
video from the Brixton Academy. They are at their quirky best here and
it's a very entertaining tape. The soundtrack of this show is also
available as a legitimate CD release.
Smell ya later!
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:17:21 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SPOT THE LOONY
Message-ID: <199607152117.OAA15861@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
>Yeah, "2112" is the obvious call. "The Fountain of Lamneth is one second
>short," and I think it hangs together pretty well, though it IS a little
>weird. But has no one here ever heard of "Thick As A Brick?"
>
Heard it, love it. It does have a break in the middle, but since they were
fitting it on an LP I can forgive. My CD has only the one 42 minute track,
even though the back lists it as two twenty-minute ones. Is this true for
others who have the CD?
>No, but I DID go to the show (the first one) she did at the Paramount in
>Oakland on the 12th (and just a five minute drive from my digs in Alameda,
>no less!). She was awfully good, but I hadn't seen her before....she played
>most of the tunes a lot more rubato than I'd have done. Letting a song
>breathe is one thing, doing CPR at the end of every phrase is quite another...
True. Show was neat, but they had to drive to Seattle last night so she didn't
come out to meet more than the few fans right up front. :( And I was wearing
my Ytsejam shirt, too! I coulda gotten her opinion of the connection between
the two of them. Oh well.
And, now, it's time to play SPOT THE LOONY!
It must be that buy over there in Santa Cruz who just booked $500 tickets to fly
out to New York for YtseCon III!!!! Ugh. Now, I hope that the con is saturday
the 12'th in the evening, right? And the rooms are for that night? Otherwise
I'll need to change my tickets. :) I'm gonna arrive at La Guardia at about 9
a.m. on saturday and leave at 4 or so in the afternoon on Sunday. Anyone wanna
do Meet'n'Greet duties for this left coast Jammer?
>>Anyway, I am about to move next week,
>>and I have over 600 cd's. I would like
I knoew someone who kept that many in a bookcase. I have just shy of 200 at the
moment, and I found these stackable wooden crates that hold 60 CD's each.
They're
about $10 a pop, so it's fairly economical, and they don't have those annoying
individual dividers. I found em at Blockbuster Music.
See y'all later. ;)
~Chris
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