YTSEJAM Digest 1684
Today's Topics:
1) asdf (WWW generated email)
by partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
2) anyone catch that mailing ID on my last message? (WWW generated email)
by partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
3) Cairo
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
4)
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
5) I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
6) meaning of music (one's point of view)
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
7) Re: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
8) Re:clothing
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
9) Bahr Track Listings
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
10) King's X + Philly + Syrinx = No DTC
by Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
11) Prog Poll
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
12) New release mailing list (noDTC)
by nelson evan andrew <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
13) Dream Theater
by Norby <norby@freeside.elte.hu>
14) ivory gate of dreams
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:59:51 -0400
From: partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: asdf (WWW generated email)
Message-ID: <199607121459.KAA05982@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
note to jeff chew, you give some internet
users too much credit....i'm mailing from
the lifting shadows subscribe to the jam page,
and the way it's set up, it sorta looks like
this "post to the jam" window is where
the subscribe to jam info is supposed to go
sure, there's a link/mailto to the proper
sub location, but think newbie like
"umm, it says subscribe here, and there a
big cool window to write my info into..."
just a thought, don't know if people trying
to sub the jam actually made that mistake from here
but it's possible.........
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:01:18 -0400
From: partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: anyone catch that mailing ID on my last message? (WWW generated email)
Message-ID: <199607121501.LAA05995@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
The nermal cat strikes again, i think i mighta found a culprit,
if I'm wrong, ignore me, let's try this again
psm
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:19:20 EDT
From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cairo
Message-ID: <9607121519.AA01487@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
I recently purchased this CD (without hearing it first -- fits the
current thread :), and personally I don't like it at all. It's too...
synthy is all that comes to mind. If anyone wants to trade this CD
for Enchant, Ivanhoe, Megellen's "Hour of Restoration", or Shadow Gallery's
first album, please mail me and we can trade. Otherwise, I guess I'm stuck with
it :)
About King's X, does anyone know if they'll be touring the Minneapolis/St.
Paul area? I see the tour dates seem to be east coast things only :(
Chris
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:32:43 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <v02130501ae0c1ac3c448@[128.178.99.94]>
>The lesdyxic Jammerytse. Be to soon EX Jammerytse.
c'mon man: you're not leaving us? Who am I gonna pick on now?
>Doesn't anyone keep their instructions about subscribing and
>unsubscribing anymore! Sheesh!
I do. But unfortunately for you folks, I'm not thinking of using them right
now. Ha ha!
> Sorry about the NDTC, but I think Death is closer to prog than
>Metallica and it is certainly more relevant than the coding garbage that I
>first thought was a computer error.
I find Death pretty prog in a manner. Mind you, Sadus was too.
>that Chuck is working with vocalist B.C. Richards on a side project called
>"Contol Denied".
Has he got to do anything with B.C.Rich guitars? I doubt.
> If anyone knows what the exact story is, I would love to know. Is
>Death over? Or is this just a side-project? Also, I can't find anything on
>this great band. Do they have a mailing list, newsgroup, or homepage? I
>can't seem to find anything. Please help!!!!
As far as I know, Death is over, Control Denied has put out an album I
can't get my fucking hands on, but I don't know how musically things have
evolved. Sorry, no other info.
Anton wrote:
>This isn't a difference in maturity. The transitions in IGOD are obvious,
>but also extremely effective. Each time a new part begins
That's the point. Ivory is made of a lot of NEW parts. Although each part
is very impressive, it is sometimes difficult to detect the "red line" that
guides the song because a lot of stuff occurs in the song for the first
time. Don't get me wrong Anton. Ivory is a GREAT song, but IMO second to
ACoS, by a slight margin.
>song ever written, IMO, which is why Fates didn't bother playing metal
>anymore after No Exit, and just invented whatever it is they're playing
>now.
Don't tell me FW isn't metal. C'mon!
>but some are jarring (not that jarring is bad, oft times I like to be
>jarred.)
I bet ya feel better if we add some jams in there with you!! :-)
>The difference in maturity is in the lyrics, and it's ACOS that comes up a
>bit short (sorry, I think Mike got way too heavy-handed here). To
>understand Ivory Gate you need to read the lyrics, think about them,
>probably even do some research. Whereas by the second time i heard the new
>version of ACOS I was thinking, fine, i'll sieze the day already, leave me
>alone.
Beware. You can purposefully write lyrics that don't mean shit. I know, I
did it. Surprisingly, it's these kind of lyrics that seem the most "up to
it" to people, because they don't understand. What they don't know is that
the writer doesn't either! I mean, one way to write lyrics is doing so
without trying to put a particular meaning in them. In a way, using the
pronunciation as a MUSICAL instrument. Concentrating more on the sonority
(is that English?) of the words than their meaning.
>DTC... I have read on the jam that at least some of the members of Dream
>Theater may be on the jam (I do not know if this is true). If so, how about
Remember that "subscrive John Peturci" stuff? Good laugh.
Cheers,
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:38:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199607121538.LAA20137@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey all ....
I'm back :) Had a shitty July 4th weekend cuz
I had to work the whole time. Just wanted to address
a few quick things .....
The DT Server being down ....
The reason some of you may have (or may still be,
though it should be clearing up completely now) had some
problems connecting to the irc.dreamt.org server is because
the company I work for did a major upgrade on their network
which caused us to change all of our IP addresses
and also caused my home machine to be unreachable for
a few days which screwed up the dns. Also, because of
an issue with Sprint, the old IP addresses were still
being seen by alot of people. It should all be completely
resolved now and you should have no problems at all connecting.
All the junk mail (Base64 shit)
Basically none of these are files. What it seems
like to me is that someone doesn't know how to confifgure
their MS Echange. That junk that you are seeing is standard
shit that is sent by MS Exchange. It seems like the person
instead of putting a particular person's name in the
to address are putting it in the from address. So,
neither Itchy nor Mark nor any of those other junk posts
actually came from that person. I am gonna look in
to blocking posts with that sort of junk in it, but have
other important busines to attend to more immediately.
Just a few quick things from the last 20 jams I have read
in the past 2 days.....
Someone said that Petrucci's wide Marlene was
in Mean Streak ... close, but no cigar...
Petrucci's wide Rena and Portnoy's wife Marlene were
both in Mean Streak and DT and Mean Streak did tour
together.
Anyone on the King's X mailing list know who is
opening for them? I heard it might be Galactic Cowboys
and they said it wasn't up to them it was a management thing
when they were on IRC the other night, but that they would
love to. Just wondering if anything has been confirmed.
I think that's it from me for now......
Skadz
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Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com
Internet / Network / Systems Consultant
Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications
http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com
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nothing can stop me now cause i don't care anymore - nin
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: meaning of music (one's point of view)
Message-ID: <199607121549.IAA17016@mindcrime.ax.com>
"....eventually it all comes together. Patience with the
words, finesse with the music - that is beauty - that makes
them listen. Ninety percent emotion, ten percent talent.
When once you have shown them you are, and share the same as
they, the music becomes theirs also. As long as the music goes
and sounds the way you meant it.......from the pit of truth
inside, real-soul, human.........."
-MW
vocals, ...And Gabriel Fell
Sat., 7/13, Stone Pony, 9:30pm
Fri., 7/19, Birch Hill, 8:30pm
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:55:22 -0500
From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <199607121555.KAA20289@wks1-48.cummins.com>
>
> Someone said that Petrucci's wide Marlene was
> in Mean Streak ... close, but no cigar...
> Petrucci's wide Rena and Portnoy's wife Marlene were
> both in Mean Streak and DT and Mean Streak did tour
> together.
>
WIDE ???!!? Skadz is gonna catch hell over that one!
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:28:57 -0400
From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:clothing
Message-ID: <199607121628.MAA03163@gold.interlog.com>
>You mean people find that White Zombie-like scumbag slops look better? Come
>on!
Yes, strangely enough people do. But, in no way should Dream
Theater dress LIKE White Zombie. Dream Theater should dress LIKE Dream
Theater. I seriously doubt that they wear those super-tight pants for
pleasure or because it represents who they are. I suppose they are trying
to appeal to the 80's metal/Queensryche fan, but at the same time they are
scaring alot of other people.
> I just don't get it that
>people can't go beyond looks and go for the music.
The answer was in your post:
> is more because DT plays music that's FAR TOO INTELLIGENT
>for such dumbfucks.
There you have it...people are morons (in general) and aren't
willing to watch something that isn't deemed "cool" by those "really cool
people". (whoever they might be)
>A V E R Y A N G R Y D A V E K I N G
Calm down...clothes aren't everything :)
Michelob
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:38:39 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bahr Track Listings
Message-ID: <9607121638.AA05364@barren.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
This is probably a FAQ, so I'm sorry, but I'm lazy.
Is there a web page where I can get a complete track listing of all of
Mike Bahr's CDs (including those not yet released)?
Oh . . . graduation ceremonies are cool. People buy you things, and take
you out for meals, and you get hugs and kisses from beautiful girls :-)
I wanna do it again!
Graham B.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: King's X + Philly + Syrinx = No DTC
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960712123454.12252A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hello.
For those of you around Philadelphia (or perhaps even Old
Bridge!), King's X is performing in Early August. I will be at the August
5th show here in Philadelphia, but i'm willing to go to Old Bridge. Does
anyone wanna meet, yadda yadda yadda?
/me has spoken, so it shall be law.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:38:26 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog Poll
Message-ID: <199607121638.JAA17856@main.cfmc.com>
Found the whole Prog Poll message that we've been kicking around. Here it is:
alt.music.marillion
[4] FINALIZED PROG.ROCK POP. POLL
P.P.R.M.van.der.Sneppen@uni4nn.iaf.nl
alt.music.pink-floyd
alt.music.roger-waters
alt.music.yes
alt.music.moody-blues
Here it is: The finalized Progressive Rock Popularity Poll:
Pos. Group Album Pts./ album
1 Genesis Selling England by the pound 167
2 Pink Floyd Wish you were here 161
3 Yes Close to the Edge 138
4 Marillion Misplaced Childhood 129
5 Marillion Script for a jester's tear 106
6 King Crimson In the Court o.t.Crimson King 103
7 ELP Brain Salad Surgery 79
Pink Floyd Dark side of the moon 79
9 Genesis The lamb lies down on Broadway 75
10 Moody Blues Days of future passed 73
11 Dream Theater Images and words 68
12 Genesis Foxtrot 64
13 Jethro Tull Thick as a brick 62
14 Yes Relayer 61
15 Marillion Clutching at straws 59
16 King Crimson Red 54
17 Genesis Trick of the tail 50
18 Rush Hemispheres 50
19 Camel The Snow Goose 45
Fish Vigil i.t Wilderness of Mirrors 45
21 Camel Mirage 43
22 Rush Moving Pictures 41
23 Mike Oldfield Amarok 40
24 A, B, W, & H First album 38
25 Caravan In the land of Grey & Pink 35
26 Moody Blues To our children's ... 33
27 VDGG Pawn hearts 32
28 IQ Ever 31
Moody Blues Every good Boy deserves Favour 31
Yes Fragile 31
31 Rush 2112 30
Rush A Farewell to Kings 30
33 Anglagard Hybris 29
IQ The Wake 29
King Crimson Discipline 29
Yes The Yes album 29
37 Pink Floyd Animals 28
38 Genesis Wind and Wuthering 27
Kate Bush The Hounds of Love 27
Queensryche Operation Mindcrime 27
41 Renaissance Ashes are burning 24
43 ELP Tarkus 23
Gentle Giant Octopus 23
Marillion Brave 23
46 Jethro Tull Aqualung 22
Steve Hackett Voyage of the Acolyte 22
48 Peter Gabriel IV (Security) 21
49 Frank Zappa One size fits all 20
Kansas Left overture 20
The Top 50 of Bands looks as follows:
Pos Group Pts
1 Genesis 386
2 King Crimson 343
3 Pink Floyd 338
4 Yes 298
5 Marillion 295
6 Rush 221
7 ELP 133
8 Camel 126
9 Jethro Tull 117
10 Moody Blues 114
11 Peter Gabriel 101
12 Dream Theater 98
13 IQ 77
14 Renaissance 71
15 Mike Oldfield 61
16 Fish 60
17 Frank Zappa 59
18 Gentle Giant 57
Kate Bush 57
20 A, B, W, & H 47
21 Caravan 45
VDGG 45
23 Alan Parsons Project 41
24 U.K. 40
25 Queensryche 39
26 Steve Hackett 38
27 Gong 37
28 Kansas 35
29 Anglagard 33
30 Hatfield & the North 28
31 Pendragon 27
32 Ozric Tentacles 26
33 The Strawbs 24
34 King's X 23
35 Soft machine 19
The Lost souls 19
37 Can 18
Triumvirat 18
39 Asgard 17
Magellan 17
National Health 17
42 Brian Eno 16
Phish 16
44 Justin Hayward 15
Magma 15
October project 15
PFM 15
Rick Wakeman 15
The Beatles 15
50 Arena 14
Saga 14
Tangerine Dream 14
I would like to thank everyone who
contributed to this Prog. Rock Poll
It was fun to organize it.
Hope you like the results
Regards,
Paul van der Sneppen
P.P.R.M.van.der.Sneppen@uni4nn.iaf.nl
or
sneppen@cbtcons.iaf.nl
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Adam's Commentary:
1) You've gotta figure Genesis would do well, but THAT well? I would have
expected Genesis to land somewhere in Floyd-Marillion-Rush-land and Yes to
win. Surprising, to me.....
2) Others that did surpisingly well: Camel, Dream Theater, Mike Oldfield,
The Lost Souls, Can, PFM.
3) Doing surprisingly poorly: VDGG, Queensryche, Kansas, King's X, Magma.
Adam Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's
====================
1. Dream Theater -- Images And Words
2. King's X -- Ear Candy
3. Tori Amos -- Boys For Pele
4. Toy Matinee -- Toy Matinee
5. Rush -- Hold Your Fire
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:24:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: nelson evan andrew <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New release mailing list (noDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.Sola.3.91.960712122238.24893A@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>
Anyone know what happened to the mailing list where they had all the new
CD releases for the next six months or so?
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:42:21 +0200
From: Norby <norby@freeside.elte.hu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater
Message-ID: <199607121642.SAA12109@freeside.elte.hu>
Hi!
I'd like to know more about the band, but the most imprtant information for
ie is :
WHEN WILL THEY RELEASE THE NEW LP?
And i'd like to know, is there avaiable more disk, than :
When dream and day unite
Images and worlds
Awake
Live at Marquee
A change of season
And the last question is : Is there any limited Edition or DigiPak disk for
any LP?
Thanx before!
Norby / IntensE
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:40:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ivory gate of dreams
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93l.960712131349.3099A-100000@unix22.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Fri, 12 Jul 1996 akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch wrote:
> That's the point. Ivory is made of a lot of NEW parts. Although each part
> is very impressive, it is sometimes difficult to detect the "red line" that
> guides the song because a lot of stuff occurs in the song for the first
> time. Don't get me wrong Anton. Ivory is a GREAT song, but IMO second to
> ACoS, by a slight margin.
I don't know...the main theme to Ivory is very strong and can be heard
throughout. I think we're talking about fine lines here that have a lot
to do with taste so there's not much point arguing it. I don't think it's
a question of maturity, though, it's just the way they chose to write the
song. DT tried harder to make things flow into each other with ACOS,
whereas continually grabs you and throttles you. It's a much more violent
song, and i think intentionally so. If I had to rank them, #1 would be
ivory gate, #2 would be the old ACOS, and #3 would be the new one. I think
they lost a lot of emotion in that song by taking out all the "don't
go's". They took a primal scream of a song and watered it down by playing
up a somewhat vague philisophical theme, which they undercut further
with oversaturation. just my opinion.
Ivory Gate, on the other hand, keeps me screaming from beginning to end. I
never get tired of it. and I'm going mad waiting for the new song...
>
> >song ever written, IMO, which is why Fates didn't bother playing metal
> >anymore after No Exit, and just invented whatever it is they're playing
> >now.
>
> Don't tell me FW isn't metal. C'mon!
IMO, Fates warning was metal for their first four albums. They went from
good metal to really good metal to great metal to the best metal. And then
they changed. I don't know if it's entirely accurate to say that the music
from Perfect Symmetry isn't metal, but how much metal (or anything) have
you heard that sounds like it? I think they realized they'd done all they
needed to with the traditional metal form and reached for new ways to do
things. They didn't turn away from metal, and i think they remained metal
in spirit (whatever that means), but they went beyond it.
> >but some are jarring (not that jarring is bad, oft times I like to be
> >jarred.)
>
> I bet ya feel better if we add some jams in there with you!! :-)
>
>
> Beware. You can purposefully write lyrics that don't mean shit. I know, I
> did it. Surprisingly, it's these kind of lyrics that seem the most "up to
> it" to people, because they don't understand. What they don't know is that
> the writer doesn't either! I mean, one way to write lyrics is doing so
> without trying to put a particular meaning in them. In a way, using the
> pronunciation as a MUSICAL instrument. Concentrating more on the sonority
> (is that English?) of the words than their meaning.
True, but I don't think this is what Jim Matheos does. Ivory Gate takes a
little work to figure out, but there's meaning there. They just don't
telegraph it at every opportunity (siiieeeeze the daaaaaaaaay:)
-Max
Anton Max
Keyboards, Aepithex
MadMax+@cmu.edu
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