YTSEJAM digest 1684

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Fri Jul 12 1996 - 13:48:54 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) asdf (WWW generated email)
     by partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
      2) anyone catch that mailing ID on my last message? (WWW generated email)
     by partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
      3) Cairo
     by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
      4)
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      5) I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
      6) meaning of music (one's point of view)
     by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
      7) Re: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
      8) Re:clothing
     by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
      9) Bahr Track Listings
     by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
     10) King's X + Philly + Syrinx = No DTC
     by Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
     11) Prog Poll
     by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
     12) New release mailing list (noDTC)
     by nelson evan andrew <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
     13) Dream Theater
     by Norby <norby@freeside.elte.hu>
     14) ivory gate of dreams
     by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:59:51 -0400
    From: partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: asdf (WWW generated email)
    Message-ID: <199607121459.KAA05982@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>

    note to jeff chew, you give some internet
    users too much credit....i'm mailing from
    the lifting shadows subscribe to the jam page,
    and the way it's set up, it sorta looks like
    this "post to the jam" window is where
    the subscribe to jam info is supposed to go

    sure, there's a link/mailto to the proper
    sub location, but think newbie like
    "umm, it says subscribe here, and there a
    big cool window to write my info into..."

    just a thought, don't know if people trying
    to sub the jam actually made that mistake from here
    but it's possible.........

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:01:18 -0400
    From: partha mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@unich.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: anyone catch that mailing ID on my last message? (WWW generated email)
    Message-ID: <199607121501.LAA05995@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>

    The nermal cat strikes again, i think i mighta found a culprit,
    if I'm wrong, ignore me, let's try this again

    psm

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:19:20 EDT
    From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Cairo
    Message-ID: <9607121519.AA01487@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>

      I recently purchased this CD (without hearing it first -- fits the
    current thread :), and personally I don't like it at all. It's too...
    synthy is all that comes to mind. If anyone wants to trade this CD
    for Enchant, Ivanhoe, Megellen's "Hour of Restoration", or Shadow Gallery's
    first album, please mail me and we can trade. Otherwise, I guess I'm stuck with
    it :)
      About King's X, does anyone know if they'll be touring the Minneapolis/St.
    Paul area? I see the tour dates seem to be east coast things only :(
         Chris

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:32:43 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Message-ID: <v02130501ae0c1ac3c448@[128.178.99.94]>

    >The lesdyxic Jammerytse. Be to soon EX Jammerytse.

    c'mon man: you're not leaving us? Who am I gonna pick on now?

    >Doesn't anyone keep their instructions about subscribing and
    >unsubscribing anymore! Sheesh!

    I do. But unfortunately for you folks, I'm not thinking of using them right
    now. Ha ha!

    > Sorry about the NDTC, but I think Death is closer to prog than
    >Metallica and it is certainly more relevant than the coding garbage that I
    >first thought was a computer error.

    I find Death pretty prog in a manner. Mind you, Sadus was too.

    >that Chuck is working with vocalist B.C. Richards on a side project called
    >"Contol Denied".

    Has he got to do anything with B.C.Rich guitars? I doubt.

    > If anyone knows what the exact story is, I would love to know. Is
    >Death over? Or is this just a side-project? Also, I can't find anything on
    >this great band. Do they have a mailing list, newsgroup, or homepage? I
    >can't seem to find anything. Please help!!!!

    As far as I know, Death is over, Control Denied has put out an album I
    can't get my fucking hands on, but I don't know how musically things have
    evolved. Sorry, no other info.

    Anton wrote:
    >This isn't a difference in maturity. The transitions in IGOD are obvious,
    >but also extremely effective. Each time a new part begins

    That's the point. Ivory is made of a lot of NEW parts. Although each part
    is very impressive, it is sometimes difficult to detect the "red line" that
    guides the song because a lot of stuff occurs in the song for the first
    time. Don't get me wrong Anton. Ivory is a GREAT song, but IMO second to
    ACoS, by a slight margin.

    >song ever written, IMO, which is why Fates didn't bother playing metal
    >anymore after No Exit, and just invented whatever it is they're playing
    >now.

    Don't tell me FW isn't metal. C'mon!

    >but some are jarring (not that jarring is bad, oft times I like to be
    >jarred.)

    I bet ya feel better if we add some jams in there with you!! :-)

    >The difference in maturity is in the lyrics, and it's ACOS that comes up a
    >bit short (sorry, I think Mike got way too heavy-handed here). To
    >understand Ivory Gate you need to read the lyrics, think about them,
    >probably even do some research. Whereas by the second time i heard the new
    >version of ACOS I was thinking, fine, i'll sieze the day already, leave me
    >alone.

    Beware. You can purposefully write lyrics that don't mean shit. I know, I
    did it. Surprisingly, it's these kind of lyrics that seem the most "up to
    it" to people, because they don't understand. What they don't know is that
    the writer doesn't either! I mean, one way to write lyrics is doing so
    without trying to put a particular meaning in them. In a way, using the
    pronunciation as a MUSICAL instrument. Concentrating more on the sonority
    (is that English?) of the words than their meaning.

    >DTC... I have read on the jam that at least some of the members of Dream
    >Theater may be on the jam (I do not know if this is true). If so, how about

    Remember that "subscrive John Peturci" stuff? Good laugh.

    Cheers,

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:38:17 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Message-ID: <199607121538.LAA20137@wicked.stigmata.org>

    Hey all ....

            I'm back :) Had a shitty July 4th weekend cuz
    I had to work the whole time. Just wanted to address
    a few quick things .....

    The DT Server being down ....

            The reason some of you may have (or may still be,
    though it should be clearing up completely now) had some
    problems connecting to the irc.dreamt.org server is because
    the company I work for did a major upgrade on their network
    which caused us to change all of our IP addresses
    and also caused my home machine to be unreachable for
    a few days which screwed up the dns. Also, because of
    an issue with Sprint, the old IP addresses were still
    being seen by alot of people. It should all be completely
    resolved now and you should have no problems at all connecting.

    All the junk mail (Base64 shit)

            Basically none of these are files. What it seems
    like to me is that someone doesn't know how to confifgure
    their MS Echange. That junk that you are seeing is standard
    shit that is sent by MS Exchange. It seems like the person
    instead of putting a particular person's name in the
    to address are putting it in the from address. So,
    neither Itchy nor Mark nor any of those other junk posts
    actually came from that person. I am gonna look in
    to blocking posts with that sort of junk in it, but have
    other important busines to attend to more immediately.

    Just a few quick things from the last 20 jams I have read
    in the past 2 days.....

            Someone said that Petrucci's wide Marlene was
    in Mean Streak ... close, but no cigar...
    Petrucci's wide Rena and Portnoy's wife Marlene were
    both in Mean Streak and DT and Mean Streak did tour
    together.

            Anyone on the King's X mailing list know who is
    opening for them? I heard it might be Galactic Cowboys
    and they said it wasn't up to them it was a management thing
    when they were on IRC the other night, but that they would
    love to. Just wondering if anything has been confirmed.

            I think that's it from me for now......

    Skadz

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com
            Internet / Network / Systems Consultant
    Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications
    http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    nothing can stop me now cause i don't care anymore - nin
    ---------------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: meaning of music (one's point of view)
    Message-ID: <199607121549.IAA17016@mindcrime.ax.com>

            "....eventually it all comes together. Patience with the
             words, finesse with the music - that is beauty - that makes
             them listen. Ninety percent emotion, ten percent talent.
             When once you have shown them you are, and share the same as
             they, the music becomes theirs also. As long as the music goes
             and sounds the way you meant it.......from the pit of truth
             inside, real-soul, human.........."

                                                    -MW
                                            vocals, ...And Gabriel Fell

                                            Sat., 7/13, Stone Pony, 9:30pm
                                            Fri., 7/19, Birch Hill, 8:30pm

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:55:22 -0500
    From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Message-ID: <199607121555.KAA20289@wks1-48.cummins.com>

    >
    > Someone said that Petrucci's wide Marlene was
    > in Mean Streak ... close, but no cigar...
    > Petrucci's wide Rena and Portnoy's wife Marlene were
    > both in Mean Streak and DT and Mean Streak did tour
    > together.
    >

    WIDE ???!!? Skadz is gonna catch hell over that one!

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:28:57 -0400
    From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re:clothing
    Message-ID: <199607121628.MAA03163@gold.interlog.com>

    >You mean people find that White Zombie-like scumbag slops look better? Come
    >on!

            Yes, strangely enough people do. But, in no way should Dream
    Theater dress LIKE White Zombie. Dream Theater should dress LIKE Dream
    Theater. I seriously doubt that they wear those super-tight pants for
    pleasure or because it represents who they are. I suppose they are trying
    to appeal to the 80's metal/Queensryche fan, but at the same time they are
    scaring alot of other people.

    > I just don't get it that
    >people can't go beyond looks and go for the music.

            The answer was in your post:

    > is more because DT plays music that's FAR TOO INTELLIGENT
    >for such dumbfucks.

            There you have it...people are morons (in general) and aren't
    willing to watch something that isn't deemed "cool" by those "really cool
    people". (whoever they might be)

    >A V E R Y A N G R Y D A V E K I N G

            Calm down...clothes aren't everything :)

            Michelob

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:38:39 +0100
    From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Bahr Track Listings
    Message-ID: <9607121638.AA05364@barren.dcs.gla.ac.uk>

    This is probably a FAQ, so I'm sorry, but I'm lazy.

    Is there a web page where I can get a complete track listing of all of
    Mike Bahr's CDs (including those not yet released)?

    Oh . . . graduation ceremonies are cool. People buy you things, and take
    you out for meals, and you get hugs and kisses from beautiful girls :-)
    I wanna do it again!

    Graham B.
     ____________________________________________________________________________
    | |
    | Graham Borland, borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk, http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |::
    |____________________________________________________________________________|::
      ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: King's X + Philly + Syrinx = No DTC
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960712123454.12252A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>

    Hello.
            For those of you around Philadelphia (or perhaps even Old
    Bridge!), King's X is performing in Early August. I will be at the August
    5th show here in Philadelphia, but i'm willing to go to Old Bridge. Does
    anyone wanna meet, yadda yadda yadda?

    /me has spoken, so it shall be law.

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:38:26 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Prog Poll
    Message-ID: <199607121638.JAA17856@main.cfmc.com>

    Found the whole Prog Poll message that we've been kicking around. Here it is:

    alt.music.marillion
    [4] FINALIZED PROG.ROCK POP. POLL
    P.P.R.M.van.der.Sneppen@uni4nn.iaf.nl

    alt.music.pink-floyd
    alt.music.roger-waters
    alt.music.yes
    alt.music.moody-blues

    Here it is: The finalized Progressive Rock Popularity Poll:

    Pos. Group Album Pts./ album
    1 Genesis Selling England by the pound 167
    2 Pink Floyd Wish you were here 161
    3 Yes Close to the Edge 138
    4 Marillion Misplaced Childhood 129
    5 Marillion Script for a jester's tear 106
    6 King Crimson In the Court o.t.Crimson King 103
    7 ELP Brain Salad Surgery 79
            Pink Floyd Dark side of the moon 79
    9 Genesis The lamb lies down on Broadway 75
    10 Moody Blues Days of future passed 73
    11 Dream Theater Images and words 68
    12 Genesis Foxtrot 64
    13 Jethro Tull Thick as a brick 62
    14 Yes Relayer 61
    15 Marillion Clutching at straws 59
    16 King Crimson Red 54
    17 Genesis Trick of the tail 50
    18 Rush Hemispheres 50
    19 Camel The Snow Goose 45
            Fish Vigil i.t Wilderness of Mirrors 45
    21 Camel Mirage 43
    22 Rush Moving Pictures 41
    23 Mike Oldfield Amarok 40
    24 A, B, W, & H First album 38
    25 Caravan In the land of Grey & Pink 35
    26 Moody Blues To our children's ... 33
    27 VDGG Pawn hearts 32
    28 IQ Ever 31
            Moody Blues Every good Boy deserves Favour 31
            Yes Fragile 31
    31 Rush 2112 30
            Rush A Farewell to Kings 30
    33 Anglagard Hybris 29
            IQ The Wake 29
            King Crimson Discipline 29
            Yes The Yes album 29
    37 Pink Floyd Animals 28
    38 Genesis Wind and Wuthering 27
            Kate Bush The Hounds of Love 27
            Queensryche Operation Mindcrime 27
    41 Renaissance Ashes are burning 24
    43 ELP Tarkus 23
            Gentle Giant Octopus 23
            Marillion Brave 23
    46 Jethro Tull Aqualung 22
            Steve Hackett Voyage of the Acolyte 22
    48 Peter Gabriel IV (Security) 21
    49 Frank Zappa One size fits all 20
            Kansas Left overture 20

    The Top 50 of Bands looks as follows:

    Pos Group Pts
    1 Genesis 386
    2 King Crimson 343
    3 Pink Floyd 338
    4 Yes 298
    5 Marillion 295
    6 Rush 221
    7 ELP 133
    8 Camel 126
    9 Jethro Tull 117
    10 Moody Blues 114
    11 Peter Gabriel 101
    12 Dream Theater 98
    13 IQ 77
    14 Renaissance 71
    15 Mike Oldfield 61
    16 Fish 60
    17 Frank Zappa 59
    18 Gentle Giant 57
            Kate Bush 57
    20 A, B, W, & H 47
    21 Caravan 45
            VDGG 45
    23 Alan Parsons Project 41
    24 U.K. 40
    25 Queensryche 39
    26 Steve Hackett 38
    27 Gong 37
    28 Kansas 35
    29 Anglagard 33
    30 Hatfield & the North 28
    31 Pendragon 27
    32 Ozric Tentacles 26
    33 The Strawbs 24
    34 King's X 23
    35 Soft machine 19
            The Lost souls 19
    37 Can 18
            Triumvirat 18
    39 Asgard 17
            Magellan 17
            National Health 17
    42 Brian Eno 16
            Phish 16
    44 Justin Hayward 15
            Magma 15
            October project 15
            PFM 15
            Rick Wakeman 15
            The Beatles 15
    50 Arena 14
            Saga 14
            Tangerine Dream 14

    I would like to thank everyone who
    contributed to this Prog. Rock Poll

    It was fun to organize it.
    Hope you like the results

    Regards,
    Paul van der Sneppen

    P.P.R.M.van.der.Sneppen@uni4nn.iaf.nl
    or
    sneppen@cbtcons.iaf.nl

    =====================================

    Adam's Commentary:

    1) You've gotta figure Genesis would do well, but THAT well? I would have
    expected Genesis to land somewhere in Floyd-Marillion-Rush-land and Yes to
    win. Surprising, to me.....

    2) Others that did surpisingly well: Camel, Dream Theater, Mike Oldfield,
    The Lost Souls, Can, PFM.

    3) Doing surprisingly poorly: VDGG, Queensryche, Kansas, King's X, Magma.

    Adam Barnhart
    adamb@cfmc.com
    ydnt85a@prodigy.com

    Five Gratuitous CD's
    ====================
    1. Dream Theater -- Images And Words
    2. King's X -- Ear Candy
    3. Tori Amos -- Boys For Pele
    4. Toy Matinee -- Toy Matinee
    5. Rush -- Hold Your Fire

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:24:36 -0500 (CDT)
    From: nelson evan andrew <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: New release mailing list (noDTC)
    Message-ID: <Pine.Sola.3.91.960712122238.24893A@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>

    Anyone know what happened to the mailing list where they had all the new
    CD releases for the next six months or so?

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:42:21 +0200
    From: Norby <norby@freeside.elte.hu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Dream Theater
    Message-ID: <199607121642.SAA12109@freeside.elte.hu>

    Hi!

    I'd like to know more about the band, but the most imprtant information for
    ie is :

    WHEN WILL THEY RELEASE THE NEW LP?

    And i'd like to know, is there avaiable more disk, than :

    When dream and day unite
    Images and worlds
    Awake
    Live at Marquee
    A change of season

    And the last question is : Is there any limited Edition or DigiPak disk for
    any LP?

    Thanx before!

    Norby / IntensE

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    Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:40:59 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: ivory gate of dreams
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93l.960712131349.3099A-100000@unix22.andrew.cmu.edu>

    On Fri, 12 Jul 1996 akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch wrote:

    > That's the point. Ivory is made of a lot of NEW parts. Although each part
    > is very impressive, it is sometimes difficult to detect the "red line" that
    > guides the song because a lot of stuff occurs in the song for the first
    > time. Don't get me wrong Anton. Ivory is a GREAT song, but IMO second to
    > ACoS, by a slight margin.

    I don't know...the main theme to Ivory is very strong and can be heard
    throughout. I think we're talking about fine lines here that have a lot
    to do with taste so there's not much point arguing it. I don't think it's
    a question of maturity, though, it's just the way they chose to write the
    song. DT tried harder to make things flow into each other with ACOS,
    whereas continually grabs you and throttles you. It's a much more violent
    song, and i think intentionally so. If I had to rank them, #1 would be
    ivory gate, #2 would be the old ACOS, and #3 would be the new one. I think
    they lost a lot of emotion in that song by taking out all the "don't
    go's". They took a primal scream of a song and watered it down by playing
    up a somewhat vague philisophical theme, which they undercut further
    with oversaturation. just my opinion.

    Ivory Gate, on the other hand, keeps me screaming from beginning to end. I
    never get tired of it. and I'm going mad waiting for the new song...
    >
    > >song ever written, IMO, which is why Fates didn't bother playing metal
    > >anymore after No Exit, and just invented whatever it is they're playing
    > >now.
    >
    > Don't tell me FW isn't metal. C'mon!

    IMO, Fates warning was metal for their first four albums. They went from
    good metal to really good metal to great metal to the best metal. And then
    they changed. I don't know if it's entirely accurate to say that the music
    from Perfect Symmetry isn't metal, but how much metal (or anything) have
    you heard that sounds like it? I think they realized they'd done all they
    needed to with the traditional metal form and reached for new ways to do
    things. They didn't turn away from metal, and i think they remained metal
    in spirit (whatever that means), but they went beyond it.

     
    > >but some are jarring (not that jarring is bad, oft times I like to be
    > >jarred.)
    >
    > I bet ya feel better if we add some jams in there with you!! :-)
    >
    >
    > Beware. You can purposefully write lyrics that don't mean shit. I know, I
    > did it. Surprisingly, it's these kind of lyrics that seem the most "up to
    > it" to people, because they don't understand. What they don't know is that
    > the writer doesn't either! I mean, one way to write lyrics is doing so
    > without trying to put a particular meaning in them. In a way, using the
    > pronunciation as a MUSICAL instrument. Concentrating more on the sonority
    > (is that English?) of the words than their meaning.

    True, but I don't think this is what Jim Matheos does. Ivory Gate takes a
    little work to figure out, but there's meaning there. They just don't
    telegraph it at every opportunity (siiieeeeze the daaaaaaaaay:)

    -Max

    Anton Max
    Keyboards, Aepithex
    MadMax+@cmu.edu

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