YTSEJAM digest 1652

Date: Sat Jun 29 1996 - 00:14:43 EDT

                            YTSEJAM Digest 1652

Today's Topics:

  1) DT Fans
 by Pat Daugherty <>
  2) Chroma Key
 by (Chris White)
  3) To Brian, about Jason Becker...
 by "Richard Karsmakers" <>
  4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
 by "Robert Quezada" <>
  5) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1651
 by "MojoMan" <>
  6) threads
 by (Andrew Miller)
  7) ProgScape -- 8 progressive rock bands!
  8) New Page!
 by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <>
  9) 3?
 10) Brian Cox/NY Residents
 by "Scott R. Daugherty" <>
 11) Rush -- The Legend Continues....
 by Adam Barnhart <>
 12) feelings, nothing more than feelings............
 13) A blast from the past!
 by Jennifer <>
 14) asdf (WWW generated email)
 by Alberto Macmas <>
 15) RUSH Bootleg Compilation Tape
 by Greg Slang <>
 16) Spherical Cows.
 by Ben Laussade <>
 17) Funny stuff
 by Mithrandir <>


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:39:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <>
Subject: DT Fans
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960628103756.14335M-100000@bdmserver>

Last week I was in Valu Food and in the checkout line. Some guy with a kid
walks by and says "Great Band". I was wearing a DT shirt at the time.

It is rare but it is great when DT is recognized...

| Pat Daugherty |
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
|The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! |


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 10:37:53 EDT
From: (Chris White)
Subject: Chroma Key
Message-ID: <>

  Hey everyone,
    I ordered KM Chroma Key about a month and a half ago, and stifll havn't
gotten it. Just curious how long it took for most people to get theirs. The
check was just cashed a few days ago, so I'm hoping to get it soon :) Just


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:30:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Karsmakers" <>
Subject: To Brian, about Jason Becker...
Message-ID: <>

 Sure Brian, *everything* Jason Becker did was awesome. You should get every
album he has...but don't *dub* them, for crying out loud. The music is good
enough to buy, and Jason isn't stinking rich or something, and he really
needs the cash. All of his albums are still available, so get them. They're
not too expensive either, not even the latest one (US$ 25).
 Pleae guys, don't copy JB stuff to others. Copy "Load", if ya have to :-)

| Richard Karsmakers |
| This email address will change after August 1996 |
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| "Who is General Protection and why is he reading my disk?" |


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:41:05 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
Message-ID: <>

On 28 Jun 96 at 1:30, Chris Oates wrote:

> >the between-songs patter. I see this a lot with foreign bands, they seem to
> >lose their "accent" (Bruce Dickinson, for example) when singing. I remember
> >reading an article on this once where a vocalist (don't remember who) said
> >that he did it deliberately.
> Funny how Green Day does it the other way. Getting an accent while
For Bruce Dickinson, British people might say that he's getting an
accent while singing as well. It all depends on your accent, I
guess. :)


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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:43:42 -0400
From: "MojoMan" <>
To: "" <>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1651
Message-ID: <>

> From:
> to be politically correct on the jam, must we really
> 1. specifiy IMO, IMHO, I'm a HOMO etc.
        Personally....I think it's a load of shit...
And Im as guilty for some of this as one can say anything
anymore, without clarifying IMHO.....thats too bad...The danger of being
flamed for being of different opinion is much too great....makes people
not want to post...

> 2. justify our use of bandwith by saying "yes there is DTC" or "sorry,
> but please don't flame me"

        Again stupid....
        There are some NDTC topics that can be discussed on the jam that may
eventually be relevant. For example, the Van Halen thread going on right
now, is a relevant one....for one big reason...It's probably the biggest
news in rock since Kurt Corbain offing himself....But....the VH topic has
the potential for getting out of the unnecessary hype about

> 3. call a fellow on the jam "motherfucker" and then say "I'm not flaming

        The word "Motherfucker" is actually very comical....I mean...I don't have
to many friends and colleages with a mother that I would want to have sex I can't help but laugh when I see the word "motherfucker"
....In all seriousness....If you want to precipitate a small flame
war.....don't chocolate cover someone a motherfucker....and
expect consequences....(I.E. Massive flaming....loosing friends
(especially ones with good looking mothers)...getting kicked by skadz (ala
Keu) )

> What do you think?

There you go......those are my thoughts on the subject.....
> ........................................................................

> From:
> First of all, I'd like to know if I subscribed to a DT list or VH one???

        Geez, you should have been here a month ago...when Metallica's Load was

> I know the news about VH dropping Sammy are more than interesting, but
is it
> necessary to repeat it a thousand or so times???

        Well....first off......Welcome to the Jam. It's good to have you on
board....Hopefully Im in the right by saying this, (basically repeating
what I said above....) but the Van Halen split is far more considerable
than news of a new Metallica release.......Also.....consider this
        Imagine Van Halen embarks on their tour to support the greastest hits cd
being released in the late fall.....It'll be the largest tour in
years....because of all the hype with DLR in the group......what if DT
could hook up with the tour for a leg or two, once the new album is
        Is that food for thought.....or what!

See Ya....

        M O J O M A N D R I N K S M O R E D E W T H A N K E U !!!!



Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:53:10
From: (Andrew Miller)
Subject: threads
Message-ID: <>

>First of all, I'd like to know if I subscribed to a DT list or VH one???
>I know the news about VH dropping Sammy are more than interesting, but is
>it necessary to repeat it a thousand or so times???

make that 1001... if you don't like a thread, why post saying you don't
like it? you're simply adding to it. either don't say anything about it
and let it die, or come up with a new one. just my $0.02

  Andrew Miller - Songwriter/Keyboardist/Singer
  - SubtleRage (progressive rock)
  - Interum (new age/prog instrumental)


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: ProgScape -- 8 progressive rock bands!
Message-ID: <>

        I haven't seen much talk about it, so I thought I'd make sure
that people knew about the progressive rock festival, ProgScape. It's
taking place this weekend (6/29 and 6/30) in Baltimore, Maryland at Stephens
Hall in Towson University. There will be four progressive rock bands playing
each day and there will be CDs being sold for the bands and probably
additional prog-rock CDs being sold by "Of Sound Mind" (who sponsored
the event). The shows start at 1pm and the cost is $25 in advance (and
either $25 or $30 at the door, I'm not sure).

Day 1

    Iluvatar (USA) Superior Middle-Period Genesis meets Marillion
    Miriodor (Canada) Quirky, Instrumental, Rock-In-Opposition tinged
    Porcupine Tree (UK) Searing to ambient Space Prog ala best Pink Floyd
    Fourth Estate (USA) Crunching Instrumental fusion/rock ala Steve Morse Band

Day 2

   Glass Hammer (USA) Majestic keyboard driven Prog
   Braindance (USA) Remarkable Neo-Gothic Prog Metal
   Eclat (France) Classic 70s French lyricism with the jamming virtuosity
                  of Minimum Vital
   Boud Deun (USA) Unique, driving and complex Prog Fusion

        You can go to the following URL for more details:

        I hope to see some of you there! :-)


Steve Chew - -
"The poison which destroys the weaker nature strengthens the
 stronger -- and he does not call it poison either."
        -- Freidrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900):


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:33:09 -0600 From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <> To: Subject: New Page! Message-ID: <>

Hi all! Just a note to say that I've now got my new page up and running!! Check it out below!! I & W lit vid rox!!! Mind Control rox!!! /me wants more DT!!!! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton _____/----^---\____ </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o 0 0 **************************************** Cliff Wheaton The greatest tool for world Peace. "THE INTERNET" E-mail: Url:


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:48:20 -0400 From: To: Subject: 3? Message-ID: <>

>Maybe I'm a freak, but if you played me any part of any >DT song I could name it in less that 3 seconds, could a casual fan of a >"Popular" band do that. Just my opinion.

Fuck 3, I could do it in a milisecond! I've done it. I'll put all my DT discs in the changer, and hit shuffle. Then I'll pause it. Then I skip ahead in the song. I hit play for just a second and then pause it again. then I name the song. OK, I admit it. My life is really pathetic, but I really have nothing else to do in ARKVILLE!



Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:33:19 -0500 (EDT) From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <> To: Subject: Brian Cox/NY Residents Message-ID: <>

Hello everyone, long time no post,

First of all, I too have been trying to get in touch with Brian Cox, and, in his defense, I will say that he recently told me that he was just too busy right now to deal with trades, etc. So just give him a break for a while and let him get his life straightened out and I'm sure he'll be back to normal.

Secondly, I must say, from the bottom of my heart and with no IMO's or smileys, that if you live in New York, then you suck. You just suck. That's all there is to it. If any of you pass up the opportunity to go to Derek Sherinian's birthday party then you, like, suck to the 10th power. ARGHHH!!!!


Scott Daugherty, wishing he lived in New York instead of Kentucky.


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:42:36 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <> To: Subject: Rush -- The Legend Continues.... Message-ID: <>

Blame this on Ben:

>Elaborate, please...if he had stolen a Dennis Chambers solo would they sound >like whatever bands he's played with? What makes up the healthy dose of Rush?

Blame this on me:

It certainly wouldn't mean that the ENTIRE band would sound like Dennis Chambers, surely. But neither is it something to slough off -- Portnoy, in my opinion, sounds more like Peart than any other drummer. Petrucci, with that arpeggiated-sus-chord-cum-wailing-soloist surely owes at least a little to Lifeson. Myung plays some pretty wild lines, some of which remind me of Geddy Lee with their use of the upper extensions of chords in a more aggressive framework, while some of his rooted playing is similar to some of Geddy's more recent work (though his sound and tapping approach remind me more of Sheehan). From a vocal standpoint, Dominici and LaBrie both sound quite different from Mr. Lee...but the tendency to pitch melodies towards the top end of the vocal range and the fact that there are some brain cells at work from a lyrical standpoint is reminiscent of Rush. And the extent to which the keyboards play a role in the arrangement of songs is similar between the bands -- though both Derek Sherinian and Kevin Moore are true virtuosos, where Geddy clearly is not. And time changes in aggressive music marked by imaginative arrangement, sharp lyrics, and outstanding playing? How much similarity are you asking for?

Adam Barnhart

"Yes!" -Einstein


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:48:22 -0400 From: To: Subject: feelings, nothing more than feelings............ Message-ID: <>

to the folk who discussed kevin moore having more feeling than jl, i read that and said, "yesssssssss!!!"as the point was very clearly stated, it doesn't mean james sucks, but picture him trying to sing "blanket" off the km demo (btw, that is my favorite song of his, period). on the flip side, picture kev singing "ciaw". kevin imo has this really cool, bitter voice, but lacks that good technique. and james, while he has that great technique, his weakness is that except for a few tunes doesn't do much for me in terms of emotion.

and the person who talked why dt is considered boring or unemotional- i agree with him as well. of course, they are incredible (moot point), but has anyone listened to portnoy and myung(notice correct spelling this time) and felt convinced that it was all sequenced? i sure as hell have. they do things quite well beyond the capabilities of most humans, that you are left thinking that, i think. i think petrucci is perhaps the "feelings" guy in the band. as much as i hate the songs "surrounded" and "ttt", when he does those blues licks live, i always go nuts over that. that is so amazing. also why "scarred" is great. that beginning is beautiful.

speaking of feeling, someone who has plenty of that, tori amos. that unplugged had some of her best and worst playing ever. any of you tori freaks catch the wrong bass note in "blood roses"? she was great on that except for that one note that was glaring.

plotkin, if you go to see mmw, i want a concert report from you.

that shall be all. *****************************************************************david kobayashi

"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp

"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese *****************************************************************


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:59:08 -0700 From: Jennifer <> To: <> Subject: A blast from the past! Message-ID: <>

Hello, everyone!

The old-timers must be falling off their chairs right about now. <g> Yes, it's really me, Jen! I've been lurking and out and about for a number of months now. Anyhow, I wanted to pop out of the woodwork momentarily to let everyone know that I've had a change of @ddress (the AOL and Netcom accounts will cease to exist in a month or so). -----------

The following appeared in a recent Ytsejam:

> I just heard the "official" news about Van Halen, so I will pass >it on. [...] > Now, only if the same could happen to Steve Hogarth.....

Maybe some of us actually like Steve Hogarth! ;) -----------

The following appeared in Ytsjam #1647:

>PS: Now that I'm outside of swatting range, I'd like to mention two >threads that have been weaving through the Rush newsletter lately, which >might be fun here as well. First, instead of just punning album titles, >how about parodying entire DT lyrics, a la "Weird Al" Yankovic?

Actually, whatever happened to "Pull My Finger" and the cyberspace version of "Voices" (wasn't it called "Internet Voices"??) Maybe those authors would like to re-post their contributions. :) -----------

I need to catch up on my reading, so back to your regularly scheduled programming! :)


On the move...

Note *new* address:


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:03:42 -0400 From: Alberto Macmas <> To: Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <>

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Slang <> To: Subject: RUSH Bootleg Compilation Tape Message-ID: <>

Sorry about the non-DT content, but I know many of you are also Rush fans, so this may be of some interest.

I am about to embark upon a Rush bootleg compilation project that would unite rare live Rush material onto a 90m tape. I don't want to waste too much bandwidth here, since it's not DT-related, so if you are interested, please visit my web page, Skyway of Nightmares, There you'll find many of the songs I am looking to include along with all the other info concerning the project. If and when I start making them, the cost will be very minimal, mostly to cover the cost of the tape and shipping.

Let me know what you think!

-- Greg Slang, <> "Skyway of Nightmares",


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:03:21 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <> To: Subject: Spherical Cows. Message-ID: <>

>i remember >being a dumb 14 yr old kid,

Hey it. ;-)

>kev's voice- the reason i dont like it is because he sings from his >throat, not his gut or his balls. singing like that is very wimpy and >also damaging to your voice... if yer gonna sing, scream that shit out >:) example- sebastian bach.

I dunno, Rip...seems to me that Kev sings from the Heart.

>yeah =) but we need a rockin' logo too. any graphic design artists out >there?

Yeah. If I was creative, I could think of tons of ideas for logos for "Insanity". Like, maybe we could have the title hidden somewhere in the picture on the CD cover. BTW, last night I had a nightmare about what a Beefquad-X logo would look like. :) Udderly disgusting.

>MMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ~Rip


>On the way back to the terminal >from the International Concourse, this nice couple noticed my DT >shirt and said "Hey, cool, our son took lessons from John >Petrucci!"

When I was in Hawaii, we went to the tours and events desk and the guy there that signed us up for things saw my Megadeth shirt and said that he had taken guitar lessons from Marty Friedman back in his rock 'n roll days. BTW......are Cacophony CD's readily found in most music stores?

>1. specifiy IMO, IMHO, I'm a HOMO etc. >2. justify our use of bandwith by saying "yes there is DTC" or "sorry, NDTC >but please don't flame me" >3. call a fellow on the jam "motherfucker" and then say "I'm not flaming you"


>I thought so when I first saw it, but now I cannot stand any of Ralph Bakshi >(SP?)'s animations. Wasn't Wizards just the most pathetic thing this side >of roadkill? >

Keep in mind the fact that I haven't seen it since I was like 8. ;-) Myyyyyy prrreeeeeeeeeeccccccciiiiiiioooooooouuuuuuussss.......

>I'd rather play some Slaughter, >Winger or Ratt than Oasis any day... (Hope I'm not offending anyone!)... At >BTW, Slaughter is alive and still kickin'....

Damn! (no offense taken, btw) Am I the only Jammer that likes Oasis?

>"Nothing is sacred, you draw the bottom line >with a $" - (Status Seeker), DT >

Heehee.. $- the lyric formerly known as "dollar sign".


And I listen openly.... Ben Laussade


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithrandir <> To: Subject: Funny stuff Message-ID: <>

I know at this point in time you are all as sick as I am about VH, but I thought this was funny. I was flipping throught the channels on Thursday when I came across MTV, there was a bunch of video clips of VH with DLR and some of his solo stuff. The music in the background was the best: Welcome back Cotter. I must say, for the most part I never watch MTV, but that was just to funny. At the end of the clip a voice says " Welcome back Dave".

The count on the battle in space between the Enterprise and a Star Destroyer is now SD 15 Enterprise 4 I will keep voting open for a few more days, and thanks to all who have responded, although I must say I am quite surprised Mike Bahr has not voiced his opinion yet as we all know how big a SW fan he is. Thanks again Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir


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