YTSEJAM Digest 1652
Today's Topics:
1) DT Fans
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Chroma Key
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
3) To Brian, about Jason Becker...
by "Richard Karsmakers" <r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@shell.monmouth.com>
5) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1651
by "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net>
6) threads
by subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
7) ProgScape -- 8 progressive rock bands!
by schew@tis.com
8) New Page!
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
9) 3?
by DreamNDay@aol.com
10) Brian Cox/NY Residents
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
11) Rush -- The Legend Continues....
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
12) feelings, nothing more than feelings............
by WildKoba@aol.com
13) A blast from the past!
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
14) asdf (WWW generated email)
by Alberto Macmas <al710594@campus.ccm.itesm.mx>
15) RUSH Bootleg Compilation Tape
by Greg Slang <xanadu@buttercup.cybernex.net>
16) Spherical Cows.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
17) Funny stuff
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:39:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT Fans
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960628103756.14335M-100000@bdmserver>
Last week I was in Valu Food and in the checkout line. Some guy with a kid
walks by and says "Great Band". I was wearing a DT shirt at the time.
It is rare but it is great when DT is recognized...
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 10:37:53 EDT
From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chroma Key
Message-ID: <9606281437.AA27622@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
Hey everyone,
I ordered KM Chroma Key about a month and a half ago, and stifll havn't
gotten it. Just curious how long it took for most people to get theirs. The
check was just cashed a few days ago, so I'm hoping to get it soon :) Just
curious.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:30:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Karsmakers" <r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To Brian, about Jason Becker...
Message-ID: <59446.r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl>
Sure Brian, *everything* Jason Becker did was awesome. You should get every
album he has...but don't *dub* them, for crying out loud. The music is good
enough to buy, and Jason isn't stinking rich or something, and he really
needs the cash. All of his albums are still available, so get them. They're
not too expensive either, not even the latest one (US$ 25).
Pleae guys, don't copy JB stuff to others. Copy "Load", if ya have to :-)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:41:05 +0000
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@shell.monmouth.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
Message-ID: <199606281437.KAA26183@shell.monmouth.com>
On 28 Jun 96 at 1:30, Chris Oates wrote:
>
> >the between-songs patter. I see this a lot with foreign bands, they seem to
> >lose their "accent" (Bruce Dickinson, for example) when singing. I remember
> >reading an article on this once where a vocalist (don't remember who) said
> >that he did it deliberately.
>
> Funny how Green Day does it the other way. Getting an accent while
>singing?
For Bruce Dickinson, British people might say that he's getting an
accent while singing as well. It all depends on your accent, I
guess. :)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:43:42 -0400
From: "MojoMan" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1651
Message-ID: <199606281643.JAA22432@mindcrime.ax.com>
> From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
> to be politically correct on the jam, must we really
>
> 1. specifiy IMO, IMHO, I'm a HOMO etc.
Personally....I think it's a load of shit...
And Im as guilty for some of this as well....no one can say anything
anymore, without clarifying IMHO.....thats too bad...The danger of being
flamed for being of different opinion is much too great....makes people
not want to post...
> 2. justify our use of bandwith by saying "yes there is DTC" or "sorry,
NDTC
> but please don't flame me"
Again stupid....
There are some NDTC topics that can be discussed on the jam that may
eventually be relevant. For example, the Van Halen thread going on right
now, is a relevant one....for one big reason...It's probably the biggest
news in rock since Kurt Corbain offing himself....But....the VH topic has
the potential for getting out of hand....like the unnecessary hype about
"Load".....
> 3. call a fellow on the jam "motherfucker" and then say "I'm not flaming
you"
The word "Motherfucker" is actually very comical....I mean...I don't have
to many friends and colleages with a mother that I would want to have sex
with...so I can't help but laugh when I see the word "motherfucker"
....In all seriousness....If you want to precipitate a small flame
war.....don't chocolate cover it......call someone a motherfucker....and
expect consequences....(I.E. Massive flaming....loosing friends
(especially ones with good looking mothers)...getting kicked by skadz (ala
Keu) )
> What do you think?
There you go......those are my thoughts on the subject.....
> ........................................................................
> From: 802936047@rumac.upr.clu.edu
> First of all, I'd like to know if I subscribed to a DT list or VH one???
Geez, you should have been here a month ago...when Metallica's Load was
released!!
> I know the news about VH dropping Sammy are more than interesting, but
is it
> necessary to repeat it a thousand or so times???
Well....first off......Welcome to the Jam. It's good to have you on
board....Hopefully Im in the right by saying this, (basically repeating
what I said above....) but the Van Halen split is far more considerable
than news of a new Metallica release.......Also.....consider this
too.....
Imagine Van Halen embarks on their tour to support the greastest hits cd
being released in the late fall.....It'll be the largest tour in
years....because of all the hype with DLR in the group......what if DT
could hook up with the tour for a leg or two, once the new album is
released?????????
Is that food for thought.....or what!
See Ya....
M O J O M A N D R I N K S M O R E D E W T H A N K E U !!!!
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:53:10
From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: threads
Message-ID: <199606281752.NAA14377@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>First of all, I'd like to know if I subscribed to a DT list or VH one???
>I know the news about VH dropping Sammy are more than interesting, but is
>it necessary to repeat it a thousand or so times???
make that 1001... if you don't like a thread, why post saying you don't
like it? you're simply adding to it. either don't say anything about it
and let it die, or come up with a new one. just my $0.02
Andrew
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- SubtleRage (progressive rock)
- Interum (new age/prog instrumental)
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage/
subtlerage@gnn.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@tis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com, freaks@ax.com
Subject: ProgScape -- 8 progressive rock bands!
Message-ID: <10665.9606281914@ragnarok.tis.com>
I haven't seen much talk about it, so I thought I'd make sure
that people knew about the progressive rock festival, ProgScape. It's
taking place this weekend (6/29 and 6/30) in Baltimore, Maryland at Stephens
Hall in Towson University. There will be four progressive rock bands playing
each day and there will be CDs being sold for the bands and probably
additional prog-rock CDs being sold by "Of Sound Mind" (who sponsored
the event). The shows start at 1pm and the cost is $25 in advance (and
either $25 or $30 at the door, I'm not sure).
Day 1
Iluvatar (USA) Superior Middle-Period Genesis meets Marillion
Miriodor (Canada) Quirky, Instrumental, Rock-In-Opposition tinged
Porcupine Tree (UK) Searing to ambient Space Prog ala best Pink Floyd
Fourth Estate (USA) Crunching Instrumental fusion/rock ala Steve Morse Band
Day 2
Glass Hammer (USA) Majestic keyboard driven Prog
Braindance (USA) Remarkable Neo-Gothic Prog Metal
Eclat (France) Classic 70s French lyricism with the jamming virtuosity
of Minimum Vital
Boud Deun (USA) Unique, driving and complex Prog Fusion
You can go to the following URL for more details:
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/progscape.html
I hope to see some of you there! :-)
Steve
--
Steve Chew - schew@tis.com - http://www.clark.net/pub/iz/home.html
"The poison which destroys the weaker nature strengthens the
stronger -- and he does not call it poison either."
-- Freidrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900):
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:33:09 -0600
From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Page!
Message-ID: <31D42565.7852@micron.net>
Hi all!
Just a note to say that I've now got my new page up and running!! Check
it out below!!
I & W lit vid rox!!!
Mind Control rox!!!
/me wants more DT!!!!
Keep rockin'
Pam
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:48:20 -0400
From: DreamNDay@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 3?
Message-ID: <960628144820_566156834@emout16.mail.aol.com>
>Maybe I'm a freak, but if you played me any part of any
>DT song I could name it in less that 3 seconds, could a casual fan of a
>"Popular" band do that. Just my opinion.
Fuck 3, I could do it in a milisecond! I've done it. I'll put all my DT discs
in the changer, and hit shuffle. Then I'll pause it. Then I skip ahead in the
song. I hit play for just a second and then pause it again. then I name the
song. OK, I admit it. My life is really pathetic, but I really have nothing
else to do in ARKVILLE!
later--------------Brian
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:33:19 -0500 (EDT)
From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Brian Cox/NY Residents
Message-ID: <199606282034.NAA24772@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hello everyone, long time no post,
First of all, I too have been trying to get in touch with Brian Cox,
and, in his defense, I will say that he recently told me that he was just too
busy right now to deal with trades, etc. So just give him a break for a while
and let him get his life straightened out and I'm sure he'll be back to normal.
Secondly, I must say, from the bottom of my heart and with no IMO's or
smileys, that if you live in New York, then you suck. You just suck. That's
all there is to it. If any of you pass up the opportunity to go to Derek
Sherinian's birthday party then you, like, suck to the 10th power. ARGHHH!!!!
Bye,
Scott Daugherty, wishing he lived in New York instead of Kentucky.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:42:36 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush -- The Legend Continues....
Message-ID: <199606282042.NAA17928@main.cfmc.com>
Blame this on Ben:
>Elaborate, please...if he had stolen a Dennis Chambers solo would they sound
>like whatever bands he's played with? What makes up the healthy dose of Rush?
Blame this on me:
It certainly wouldn't mean that the ENTIRE band would sound like Dennis
Chambers, surely. But neither is it something to slough off -- Portnoy, in
my opinion, sounds more like Peart than any other drummer. Petrucci, with
that arpeggiated-sus-chord-cum-wailing-soloist surely owes at least a little
to Lifeson. Myung plays some pretty wild lines, some of which remind me of
Geddy Lee with their use of the upper extensions of chords in a more
aggressive framework, while some of his rooted playing is similar to some of
Geddy's more recent work (though his sound and tapping approach remind me
more of Sheehan). From a vocal standpoint, Dominici and LaBrie both sound
quite different from Mr. Lee...but the tendency to pitch melodies towards
the top end of the vocal range and the fact that there are some brain cells
at work from a lyrical standpoint is reminiscent of Rush. And the extent to
which the keyboards play a role in the arrangement of songs is similar
between the bands -- though both Derek Sherinian and Kevin Moore are true
virtuosos, where Geddy clearly is not. And time changes in aggressive music
marked by imaginative arrangement, sharp lyrics, and outstanding playing?
How much similarity are you asking for?
Adam Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
"Yes!"
-Einstein
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:48:22 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: feelings, nothing more than feelings............
Message-ID: <960628184822_423902387@emout19.mail.aol.com>
to the folk who discussed kevin moore having more feeling than jl, i read
that and said, "yesssssssss!!!"as the point was very clearly stated, it
doesn't mean james sucks, but picture him trying to sing "blanket" off the km
demo (btw, that is my favorite song of his, period). on the flip side,
picture kev singing "ciaw". kevin imo has this really cool, bitter voice, but
lacks that good technique. and james, while he has that great technique, his
weakness is that except for a few tunes doesn't do much for me in terms of
emotion.
and the person who talked why dt is considered boring or unemotional- i agree
with him as well. of course, they are incredible (moot point), but has anyone
listened to portnoy and myung(notice correct spelling this time) and felt
convinced that it was all sequenced? i sure as hell have. they do things
quite well beyond the capabilities of most humans, that you are left thinking
that, i think. i think petrucci is perhaps the "feelings" guy in the band. as
much as i hate the songs "surrounded" and "ttt", when he does those blues
licks live, i always go nuts over that. that is so amazing. also why
"scarred" is great. that beginning is beautiful.
speaking of feeling, someone who has plenty of that, tori amos. that
unplugged had some of her best and worst playing ever. any of you tori freaks
catch the wrong bass note in "blood roses"? she was great on that except for
that one note that was glaring.
plotkin, if you go to see mmw, i want a concert report from you.
that shall be all.
*****************************************************************david
kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:59:08 -0700
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A blast from the past!
Message-ID: <199606282258.PAA26761@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hello, everyone!
The old-timers must be falling off their chairs right about now. <g>
Yes, it's really me, Jen! I've been lurking and out and about for a
number of months now. Anyhow, I wanted to pop out of the woodwork
momentarily to let everyone know that I've had a change of @ddress (the
AOL and Netcom accounts will cease to exist in a month or so).
-----------
The following appeared in a recent Ytsejam:
> I just heard the "official" news about Van Halen, so I will pass
>it on.
[...]
> Now, only if the same could happen to Steve Hogarth.....
Maybe some of us actually like Steve Hogarth! ;)
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The following appeared in Ytsjam #1647:
>PS: Now that I'm outside of swatting range, I'd like to mention two
>threads that have been weaving through the Rush newsletter lately, which
>might be fun here as well. First, instead of just punning album titles,
>how about parodying entire DT lyrics, a la "Weird Al" Yankovic?
Actually, whatever happened to "Pull My Finger" and the cyberspace
version of "Voices" (wasn't it called "Internet Voices"??) Maybe
those authors would like to re-post their contributions. :)
-----------
I need to catch up on my reading, so back to your regularly scheduled
programming! :)
Jen
On the move...
Note *new* address: jenibear@gvn.net
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:03:42 -0400
From: Alberto Macmas <al710594@campus.ccm.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: asdf (WWW generated email)
Message-ID: <199606282303.TAA07723@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
"Subscribe ytsejam (Alberto Macmas)"
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:27:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Greg Slang <xanadu@buttercup.cybernex.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RUSH Bootleg Compilation Tape
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960628222652.435A-100000@buttercup.cybernex.net>
Sorry about the non-DT content, but I know many of you are also Rush fans,
so this may be of some interest.
I am about to embark upon a Rush bootleg compilation project that would
unite rare live Rush material onto a 90m tape. I don't want to waste too
much bandwidth here, since it's not DT-related, so if you are interested,
please visit my web page, Skyway of Nightmares,
http://www2.cybernex.net/~xanadu/rush.html There you'll find many of the
songs I am looking to include along with all the other info concerning the
project. If and when I start making them, the cost will be very minimal,
mostly to cover the cost of the tape and shipping.
Let me know what you think!
-- Greg Slang, <xanadu@cybernex.net>
"Skyway of Nightmares", http://www2.cybernex.net/~xanadu/
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:03:21 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spherical Cows.
Message-ID: <199606290403.VAA23640@maple.enet.net>
>i remember
>being a dumb 14 yr old kid,
Hey now...watch it. ;-)
>kev's voice- the reason i dont like it is because he sings from his
>throat, not his gut or his balls. singing like that is very wimpy and
>also damaging to your voice... if yer gonna sing, scream that shit out
>:) example- sebastian bach.
I dunno, Rip...seems to me that Kev sings from the Heart.
>yeah =) but we need a rockin' logo too. any graphic design artists out
>there?
Yeah. If I was creative, I could think of tons of ideas for logos for
"Insanity". Like, maybe we could have the title hidden somewhere in the
picture on the CD cover. BTW, last night I had a nightmare about what a
Beefquad-X logo would look like. :) Udderly disgusting.
>MMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ~Rip
Quack.
>On the way back to the terminal
>from the International Concourse, this nice couple noticed my DT
>shirt and said "Hey, cool, our son took lessons from John
>Petrucci!"
When I was in Hawaii, we went to the tours and events desk and the guy there
that signed us up for things saw my Megadeth shirt and said that he had
taken guitar lessons from Marty Friedman back in his rock 'n roll days.
BTW......are Cacophony CD's readily found in most music stores?
>1. specifiy IMO, IMHO, I'm a HOMO etc.
>2. justify our use of bandwith by saying "yes there is DTC" or "sorry, NDTC
>but please don't flame me"
>3. call a fellow on the jam "motherfucker" and then say "I'm not flaming you"
SHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!
>I thought so when I first saw it, but now I cannot stand any of Ralph Bakshi
>(SP?)'s animations. Wasn't Wizards just the most pathetic thing this side
>of roadkill?
>
Keep in mind the fact that I haven't seen it since I was like 8. ;-) Myyyyyy
prrreeeeeeeeeeccccccciiiiiiioooooooouuuuuuussss.......
>I'd rather play some Slaughter,
>Winger or Ratt than Oasis any day... (Hope I'm not offending anyone!)... At
>BTW, Slaughter is alive and still kickin'....
Damn! (no offense taken, btw) Am I the only Jammer that likes Oasis?
>"Nothing is sacred, you draw the bottom line
>with a $" - (Status Seeker), DT
>
Heehee.. $- the lyric formerly known as "dollar sign".
YOU TAKE THIS LAHV!!!!!
And I listen openly....
Ben Laussade
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Funny stuff
Message-ID: <199606290410.VAA01330@mindcrime.ax.com>
I know at this point in time you are all as sick as I am about VH, but
I thought this was funny. I was flipping throught the channels on Thursday
when I came across MTV, there was a bunch of video clips of VH with DLR and
some of his solo stuff. The music in the background was the best: Welcome
back Cotter. I must say, for the most part I never watch MTV, but that was
just to funny. At the end of the clip a voice says " Welcome back Dave".
The count on the battle in space between the Enterprise and a Star
Destroyer is now SD 15 Enterprise 4
I will keep voting open for a few more days, and thanks to all who have
responded, although I must say I am quite surprised Mike Bahr has not voiced
his opinion yet as we all know how big a SW fan he is. Thanks again
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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