YTSEJAM Digest 1653
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
by "spiralus" <spiralus@cris.com>
2) Pointless Stuff
by Phillip Scott Kish <pkish@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu>
3) ***ATTENTION NYC JAMMERS*** (Prog-Nite)
by fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo )
4) Re: food stuff
by Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be>
5) Name That Tune, Funky-Fresh Feelings, etc.
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
by Andrija Bosnjakovic <metalhead@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu>
7) Post??
by Gregory A Larson <lars0375@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
by John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
9) Tori/Cacophony
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
10) Becker price correction
by buster <buster@ee.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
by buster <buster@ee.net>
12) feelings
by mike olekshy <mmo@direct.ca>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
by scottwe@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU (Edward Scott)
14) Annoying little...
by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
16) Emotion in music...
by The One They Call Wacky <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:05:47 +0000
From: "spiralus" <spiralus@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
Message-ID: <199606290502.BAA04828@darius.cris.com>
Well....about the whole Rush tribute thing....
Yes will be releasing a new album. (They are not dead yet)
Steve Howe was very gracious to Magna Carta about performing
on the Yes tribute and enjoyed being a part of it.
Rush had a huge impact on many people (including myself) and certainly have become
LIVING legends who deserve a tribute.
Magna Carta releases tribute albums not as a mass for the dead, but
as a token of respect to those bands that have influenced the
progressive music that we now listen to today.
It is a shame that Rush is so against the release.
They should feel honored.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:25:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Phillip Scott Kish <pkish@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pointless Stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960629011409.102838A-100000@tiger4.ocs.lsu.edu>
A story about how I converted an alternative freak in a DT fan:
One day my mom asked me to take my little brother and his friend
somewhere so I agreed. These kids listened to crappy MTV stuff and
generally put down my music.
Anyways, I'm driving and in my CD player is "Metropolis" and it goes
to the instrumental stuff and my little brother's friend freaks and says
"Man, this is cool. What is this?" and I tell him. So when we get back
I show him some of my CDs like DT, fates warning, Queensryche, Shadow
Gallery and he seems to dig some of it.
The next time I see him I look in the case of CDs he brought over and
see crap like Weezer, Green Day, blah, and then I come upon I&W and Awake
and then I see some Queensryche. I was feeling pretty cool knowing that a
Junior High kid likes DT. Last time I saw this kid he had a DT shirt
on.
The End
Oh yeah, I got the SUPERIOR CD the other day and it was absolutely
fabulous. Anyone who hasn't gotten it yet do so. You won't regret it.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:31:37 -0700
From: fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo )
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ***ATTENTION NYC JAMMERS*** (Prog-Nite)
Message-ID: <199606290731.AAA23163@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
Hey Jammers....Carlo here
(otherwise known as "Fates" or "Ytse-Satan" on IRC)
I just have to let everyone know in the NYC area that the first
Wednesday of every month is Prog-Nite at the Rock 'n Roll Cafe (149
Bleeker Street). I have gone three times so far and the bands at each
show have been outstanding...most memorable have been SOUNDSCAPE
(amazing trilogies by these guys!!!) and BOUD DEUN (Intense
Instrumentalists!!!!).
This coming Wednesday (July 3), will feature three amazing bands.
The lineup is MASTERMIND, BRAINDANCE, and MONOLITH.
I have seen MONOLITH live a number of times throughout little clubs
on Long Island (Continental Rocks and The Roxy) and they have great
guitar and keyboards solos...they totally shred!!
I've never heard any stuff from MASTERMIND and only a little from
BRAINDANCE (what I did hear was awesome though), but overall it should
be an amazing night to see some incredible musicianship!!!
If you're in the area come by and check it out..it's FREE!!! I'm
personally amazed that progressive music has its own featured night
anywhere around here. Our music needs all the support it can get.
I'll definitely be there.
REMEMBER....if you can't make it (although this is gonna be the
best lineup I've ever seen so far)..Prog-Nite is the first Wednesday of
every month. There is also a guy (think he plays in POWER WINDOWS) who
sells hard to find prog CD's.
*** July 3rd - The Rock 'n' Roll Cafe, NYC - 149 Bleeker Street, NYC.
*** 1-212-677-7630 for info. Free Admission! Showtime 9 pm.
cheers,
Carlo ("Fates" aka "Ytse-Satan")
Ohh Yeah (almost forgot), an Imperial Star Destroyer (imagine a Super
Star Destroyer!!) would vaporize the Enterprise (Excelsior also!)
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--Rime of the Ancient Mariner (Iron Maiden)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:19:56 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: food stuff
Message-ID: <199606290819.KAA15214@ping1.ping.be>
Sometime, someone wrote somewhere:
> Well......in our time of DT thread-less despair, here's an idea that
>might keep us busy for a while....take a song title (that'd we'd be
>familiar with, preferably) and turn it into some kind of food pun. One
>example is the topic...some others would be "Red Barcheddar",
>"Cheddarspheres" and "Lifting Shadows off Whipped Cream".
> Note: Do NOT SEND THESE to ME personally. Send all puns to the Jam. :-)
>
> This kept us busy on IRC for a minutes at a time..maybe it will do
>the same on the list. Sorry if some IRCers thought this pun-making game was
>extremely special, and should only be kept on IRC...but I'm desperate (as
>I'm sure some other people are) for something entertaining on the Jam. Maybe
>even funny, too. ;-)
hehe, if there are really some IRCers who think the game is extremely
special, sorry to disappoint you: this game was on the Genesis mailing list
some months ago, and it kept us busy for a month or so...
seeya
Peter
(Genesis, Floyd, Dream Theater, Sabbath)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 06:36:13 -0400
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Name That Tune, Funky-Fresh Feelings, etc.
Message-ID: <19960629103612138.AAA207@mail.fxn.com>
>From: subtlerage@gnn.com (One Of The Andrew Millers)
>Subject: threads
>
>>First of all, I'd like to know if I subscribed to a DT list or VH one???
>>I know the news about VH dropping Sammy are more than interesting, but is
>>it necessary to repeat it a thousand or so times???
>
>make that 1001... if you don't like a thread, why post saying you don't
>like it? you're simply adding to it. either don't say anything about it
>and let it die, or come up with a new one. just my $0.02
>
I agree wholeheartedly... But someone's probably gonna bitch aboout you
bitching about someone bitching about someone bitching about this crap. ;)
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>From: DreamNDay@aol.com
>>Maybe I'm a freak, but if you played me any part of any
>>DT song I could name it in less that 3 seconds, could a casual fan of a
>>"Popular" band do that. Just my opinion.
>
>Fuck 3, I could do it in a milisecond! I've done it. I'll put all my DT discs
>in the changer, and hit shuffle. Then I'll pause it. Then I skip ahead in the
>song. I hit play for just a second and then pause it again. then I name the
>song.
>
You don't have to be in the cultural/social abyss of a place like ARKVILLE
to be able to do that. In all seriousness, no matter how much you keep
things the same in the recording environment for each song, there will
invariably be timbral differences, however slight they may be, they do
exist. So an F# that JP hits in one song with his lead sound will still
sound different than the F# he hits (with probably the same amp settings,
played in the same place on the fretboard, etc) in another song. So, our
ears become attuned to the timbral qualities of each song, whether we know
it or not. We don't depend on the content/context to ID a song, but rather
some crazy, subconscious neural pathway.
>From: WildKoba@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: feelings, nothing more than feelings............
>and the person who talked why dt is considered boring or unemotional- i agree
>with him as well. of course, they are incredible (moot point), but has anyone
>listened to portnoy and myung(notice correct spelling this time) and felt
>convinced that it was all sequenced? i sure as hell have. they do things
>quite well beyond the capabilities of most humans, that you are left thinking
>that, i think.
>
Hmm... The way I see it with DT, these guys care so much about what they do
that they set out to do it as best they can. I see their superhuman chops
as a byproduct of their expression of their love for music. Nothing against
you dude, but I just don't see how technically proficient = devoid of emotion.
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>From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
>Subject: Spherical Cows.
>
>Damn! (no offense taken, btw) Am I the only Jammer that likes Oasis?
>
I don't know... and I don't care... Just more evidence that you're a fuckin'
wierd kid! ;) All kidding aside, should it matter if you're the only Jammer
that does? I personally can't stand them, but I'm not gonna call be like
"you suck cuz you like Oasis."
>From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
>Subject: Funny stuff
>
> The count on the battle in space between the Enterprise and a Star
>Destroyer is now SD 15 Enterprise 4
>
I was gonna say something... but I won't. Wanna stay on Skadz's good side. ;)
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|Elliott Kim | elliott@fxn.com |http://www.fxn.com/users/e/elliott/ |
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| It'd be wierd without beer... |
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:33:27 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Andrija Bosnjakovic <metalhead@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960629142923.27248A-100000@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu>
Someone came out with idea of PMF being sent here. Here it is!
Pull My Finger
(lyrics by Shane Carey, music by Dream Theater,
catering by Meatloaf)
Crust of a pie
filled with apples and cinnamon
Sugar high
Drool and juice running down my chin
Three kinds of beef and bologna
A whole bowl of cheese rigatoni and
Every dish gets cleaned off real fast
Every meal as if it could be my last
Watch th' pictures falling
As I thunder down the hall
I'm on way down to the mall to grab a milkshake
I'll gain seven pounds from one
Bite of that luscious honey-bun
And what th' hell, I'll wash it all down with some chocolate cake
French toast with butter and jelly
It all goes to my butt or my belly and
Every dish gets cleaned off real fast
Every bite, though, is sure to give me gas
Pull my finger,
Pull my finger,
Pull my finger, don't be afraid
I ate so many tacos last night
My gut is feeling hot and tight
Dust fills my eyes
Powdered sugar flies everywhere
Cookie crumbs fly
On th' carpet and in my hair
Fix me a pot of spaghetti
I ate up the last one already
I'll die within th' year at this rate
They'll have to bury me in a piano crate
Pull my finger,
Pull my finger,
Pull my finger, don't be afraid
Tentmakers don't make pant in my size
No one I know has bigger thighs
(oh that I could win my weight in french fries)
Enjoy!!
Andrija
metalhead@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:52:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gregory A Larson <lars0375@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Post??
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960628214939.14805A-100000@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
If this is the address to post a message, I have one to post. If not,
could you please tell me how to post something? Thanks!
Does anyone out there trade DT tapes?? I am trying to find people to
trade with, because I don't have any DT of my own to offer. I do have
some Dave Matthews Band, Blues Traveler, Hornsby, and Pearl Jam though.
If anyone is interested, please write me at lars0375@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Greg
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 09:37:26 -0500
From: John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
To: "~YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
Message-ID: <199606291436.JAA07243@oasis.novia.net>
>Don't send em to the jam either. Ben, if you wanna see this kind of
>stuff, that's a personal thing and not something for the whole jam,
>because they will get annoying real fast. If you really want people
>to send these, have them send em to you and then you can post a full
>list to the jam.
Okay, okay, I won't do that anymore. I had some new lyrics for "Wait for
Sheep", but I guess now it would be a baaaaaad idea to post them d-8 I
don't want to get your goat, Skadz, nor am I trying to pull the wool over
your eyes. Ah well, it could've been a fun thread... (-8
John
PS: I *will*, however, post the complete lyrics to "The Ytse Lamb":
""
(Hope you enjoyed it)
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:15:35 -0500 (EDT)
From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tori/Cacophony
Message-ID: <199606291615.JAA09712@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hello, #1 Drame Thaetre fan am I:
David the mystical potato head crack thing said this:
> speaking of feeling, someone who has plenty of that, tori amos. that
> unplugged had some of her best and worst playing ever. any of you tori freaks
Does breathing heavily and moaning constitute plenty of feeling? I agree that
some of her stuff is moving, but perhaps for other reasons. Please elaborate.
Ben asked about the availablity of Cacophony's CDs. They're in the mainstream
record stores in this part of the country (Ky). In case it hasn't been
mentioned, the album titles are as follows: Speed Metal Symphony and Go Off.
Be aware if you, or anyone, get/s them that this is pretty raw stuff with
loads of insane guitar work. By that I mean that the guitars dominate and
there's not much of a homogenous "band sound," a la DT. Also, the singer is
horrible, as well as most of the lyrics. That doesn't sound like much of a
good recommendation, does it? :) But it's cool stuff nonetheless.
Adidas,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:05:43 -0400
From: buster <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Becker price correction
Message-ID: <31D56267.2D9D@ee.net>
> From: "Richard Karsmakers" <r.c.karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: To Brian, about Jason Becker...
> Sure Brian, *everything* Jason Becker did was awesome. You should get every
> album he has...but don't *dub* them, for crying out loud. The music is good
> enough to buy, and Jason isn't stinking rich or something, and he really
> needs the cash. All of his albums are still available, so get them. They're
> not too expensive either, not even the latest one (US$ 25).
Just wanted to post a friendly correction to this:
Jason's CD's are ALL $15 and under and you can order
them right from his page. Someone asked about Cacophony,
yes you can order that there too $14.75. You can link to
Jasons page from mine: http://users1.ee.net/buster
Rich is definitely right about one thing here:
PLEASE don't dub Jason's music...buy it! He really needs
the support right now for his medical expenses. His father
had to leave his job to stay and home and take care of Jason.
(since Jason can't even feed himself anymore) His music is
well worth the mere $15 per CD.
thanks,
buster
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:11:29 -0400
From: buster <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
Message-ID: <31D563C1.1540@ee.net>
> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:03:21 -0700
> From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
> BTW......are Cacophony CD's readily found in most music stores?
The answer is no, but you CAN order them from Shrapnel records.
On the Jason becker home page you'll find how to order the
Cacophony CD' (Go Off, and Speed Metal Symphony) for $14.75 each.
You can link to that page from mine.
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:07:25 -0700
From: mike olekshy <mmo@direct.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: feelings
Message-ID: <96Jun29.110729-0700pdt.268768-258+1132@aphex.direct.ca>
> has anyone
>listened to portnoy and myung(notice correct spelling this time) and felt
>convinced that it was all sequenced? i sure as hell have.
I think that may have to do more with the production on those studio records.
When I hear live bootlegs of LTL and ACOS(old version), Portnoy plays with
an unbelievable amount of emotion and dynamics that it almost brings me to
tears - you can just feel those live versions build and bulid and to me its
not so
much Petrucci's playing as it is Portnoy's drums.
cheers
MMO
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:15:51 -0500 (EST)
From: scottwe@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU (Edward Scott)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
Message-ID: <01I6HFGQ60BS8Y52YH@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>
How does one get OFF this mailing list???
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Annoying little...
Message-ID: <199606291817.OAA26002@darius.cris.com>
>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:03:42 -0400
>From: Alberto Mac=EDas <al710594@campus.ccm.itesm.mx>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: asdf (WWW generated email)
>Message-ID: <199606282303.TAA07723@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"Subscribe ytsejam (Alberto Mac=EDas)"
AAARRRGGGHHH!!! This is becoming the next RESPONSE FROM IBMMAIL. And it is
from the same freakin' place! This is someone who is purposefully doing=
this!
Maybe we should all try tracking down this person and do SOMETHING to them!
John
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:17:14 -0400
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960630151728.3047b392@access.mountain.net>
At 10:03 PM 6/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Magna Carta releases tribute albums not as a mass for the dead, but
>as a token of respect to those bands that have influenced the
>progressive music that we now listen to today.
Actually, I think they are released more as a marketing ploy, to introduce
fans of Yes, Genesis, etc. to the bands on their label. Although, that
argument doesn't work real well with the Rush one, does it (because its not
done by individual bands)?
Hmm...
Jonathan Byrne
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
West Virginia University College of Law
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"Any major dude with half a heart
Surely would tell you my friend,
Any minor world that breaks apart
Falls together again."
-"Any Major Dude", Steely Dan
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:35:23 -0400
From: The One They Call Wacky <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Emotion in music...
Message-ID: <31D5AFAB.27D8@acs.bu.edu>
Hey, all! I haven't posted in a while, and this recent discussion kinda irked me
a little. This whole musician's emotions thing.
WildKoba doesn't think that Portnoy and Myung don't play with emotion. He thinks
this because they play very well, almost sounding like machines because of their
precision. So who should we look to as being musicians that play with "lots of emotion?"
Musicians who play BADLY? Someone who plays ALMOST precisely, but does it with a lot of
"feeling?" Personally, I see no correlation between precision and emotion. So Petrucci
plays some blues licks and does some bends. That makes him the "feelings guy?" Come on!
Mike Portnoy and John Myung have spent many, many hours of their lives practicing their
respective instruments. They're professional musicians. That's what they do. Does
Midori not play with emotion just because she's so precise? Mike, John, Midori, Yo Yo
Ma, .... all try their hardest to achieve flawless performances. They practice and
practice and worry that they haven't practiced enough.... and every time they perform,
all of that practice, trying their absolute hardest to play perfectly, manifests itself
in their emotions, whether or not they achieve the perfection they desire. And if
they don't play as well as they would have liked, they may get down on themselves and
possibly get really depressed and whatnot. So unless you're an empath and you can feel
what they're feeling, you really can't "hear" the emotion in their playing, not matter
how mechanical it may sound.
But maybe you're talking about tasteful note selection, clever repeated lines,
flatted fifth bends, and other "feeling" devices. Do you really think that someone who
utilizes these techniques really has more emotion as a person or really conveys more
emotion as a musician? Maybe you do.
So what do you all think?
--
Brian Wherry
Boston University
Computer Engineering '98
bwherry@acs.bu.edu
http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html
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