YTSEJAM digest 1653

Date: Sat Jun 29 1996 - 18:41:44 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
     by "spiralus" <>
      2) Pointless Stuff
     by Phillip Scott Kish <>
      3) ***ATTENTION NYC JAMMERS*** (Prog-Nite)
     by (Carlo D'Angelo )
      4) Re: food stuff
     by Ronny Geerts <>
      5) Name That Tune, Funky-Fresh Feelings, etc.
     by (Elliott Kim)
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
     by Andrija Bosnjakovic <>
      7) Post??
     by Gregory A Larson <>
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
     by John Dea <>
      9) Tori/Cacophony
     by "Scott R. Daugherty" <>
     10) Becker price correction
     by buster <>
     11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
     by buster <>
     12) feelings
     by mike olekshy <>
     13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652
     by scottwe@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU (Edward Scott)
     14) Annoying little...
     by John McCabe <>
     15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
     by Jon Byrne <>
     16) Emotion in music...
     by The One They Call Wacky <>


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:05:47 +0000
    From: "spiralus" <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649
    Message-ID: <>

    Well....about the whole Rush tribute thing....
    Yes will be releasing a new album. (They are not dead yet)
    Steve Howe was very gracious to Magna Carta about performing
    on the Yes tribute and enjoyed being a part of it.

    Rush had a huge impact on many people (including myself) and certainly have become
    LIVING legends who deserve a tribute.
    Magna Carta releases tribute albums not as a mass for the dead, but
    as a token of respect to those bands that have influenced the
    progressive music that we now listen to today.
    It is a shame that Rush is so against the release.
    They should feel honored.


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:25:16 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Phillip Scott Kish <>
    Subject: Pointless Stuff
    Message-ID: <>

    A story about how I converted an alternative freak in a DT fan:

        One day my mom asked me to take my little brother and his friend
    somewhere so I agreed. These kids listened to crappy MTV stuff and
    generally put down my music.
       Anyways, I'm driving and in my CD player is "Metropolis" and it goes
    to the instrumental stuff and my little brother's friend freaks and says
    "Man, this is cool. What is this?" and I tell him. So when we get back
    I show him some of my CDs like DT, fates warning, Queensryche, Shadow
    Gallery and he seems to dig some of it.
        The next time I see him I look in the case of CDs he brought over and
    see crap like Weezer, Green Day, blah, and then I come upon I&W and Awake
    and then I see some Queensryche. I was feeling pretty cool knowing that a
    Junior High kid likes DT. Last time I saw this kid he had a DT shirt
                                 The End
      Oh yeah, I got the SUPERIOR CD the other day and it was absolutely
    fabulous. Anyone who hasn't gotten it yet do so. You won't regret it.


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:31:37 -0700
    From: (Carlo D'Angelo )
    Subject: ***ATTENTION NYC JAMMERS*** (Prog-Nite)
    Message-ID: <>

    Hey Jammers....Carlo here
               (otherwise known as "Fates" or "Ytse-Satan" on IRC)

        I just have to let everyone know in the NYC area that the first
    Wednesday of every month is Prog-Nite at the Rock 'n Roll Cafe (149
    Bleeker Street). I have gone three times so far and the bands at each
    show have been outstanding...most memorable have been SOUNDSCAPE
    (amazing trilogies by these guys!!!) and BOUD DEUN (Intense
        This coming Wednesday (July 3), will feature three amazing bands.
        I have seen MONOLITH live a number of times throughout little clubs
    on Long Island (Continental Rocks and The Roxy) and they have great
    guitar and keyboards solos...they totally shred!!
       I've never heard any stuff from MASTERMIND and only a little from
    BRAINDANCE (what I did hear was awesome though), but overall it should
    be an amazing night to see some incredible musicianship!!!
       If you're in the area come by and check it's FREE!!! I'm
    personally amazed that progressive music has its own featured night
    anywhere around here. Our music needs all the support it can get.
    I'll definitely be there.
        REMEMBER....if you can't make it (although this is gonna be the
    best lineup I've ever seen so far)..Prog-Nite is the first Wednesday of
    every month. There is also a guy (think he plays in POWER WINDOWS) who
    sells hard to find prog CD's.

    *** July 3rd - The Rock 'n' Roll Cafe, NYC - 149 Bleeker Street, NYC.
    *** 1-212-677-7630 for info. Free Admission! Showtime 9 pm.

      Carlo ("Fates" aka "Ytse-Satan")

    Ohh Yeah (almost forgot), an Imperial Star Destroyer (imagine a Super
    Star Destroyer!!) would vaporize the Enterprise (Excelsior also!)

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    "There calls the mariner, there comes a ship over the line But how can she sail with no wind in her sails and no tide See...onward she comes Onward she nears, out of the sun See...she has no crew She has no life, wait but there's two..........."

    --Rime of the Ancient Mariner (Iron Maiden)


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:19:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ronny Geerts <> To: Subject: Re: food stuff Message-ID: <>

    Sometime, someone wrote somewhere:

    > our time of DT thread-less despair, here's an idea that >might keep us busy for a while....take a song title (that'd we'd be >familiar with, preferably) and turn it into some kind of food pun. One >example is the topic...some others would be "Red Barcheddar", >"Cheddarspheres" and "Lifting Shadows off Whipped Cream". > Note: Do NOT SEND THESE to ME personally. Send all puns to the Jam. :-) > > This kept us busy on IRC for a minutes at a time..maybe it will do >the same on the list. Sorry if some IRCers thought this pun-making game was >extremely special, and should only be kept on IRC...but I'm desperate (as >I'm sure some other people are) for something entertaining on the Jam. Maybe >even funny, too. ;-)

    hehe, if there are really some IRCers who think the game is extremely special, sorry to disappoint you: this game was on the Genesis mailing list some months ago, and it kept us busy for a month or so...



    (Genesis, Floyd, Dream Theater, Sabbath)


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 06:36:13 -0400 From: (Elliott Kim) To: Subject: Name That Tune, Funky-Fresh Feelings, etc. Message-ID: <>

    >From: (One Of The Andrew Millers) >Subject: threads > >>First of all, I'd like to know if I subscribed to a DT list or VH one??? >>I know the news about VH dropping Sammy are more than interesting, but is >>it necessary to repeat it a thousand or so times??? > >make that 1001... if you don't like a thread, why post saying you don't >like it? you're simply adding to it. either don't say anything about it >and let it die, or come up with a new one. just my $0.02 > I agree wholeheartedly... But someone's probably gonna bitch aboout you bitching about someone bitching about someone bitching about this crap. ;) ------------------------ >From:

    >>Maybe I'm a freak, but if you played me any part of any >>DT song I could name it in less that 3 seconds, could a casual fan of a >>"Popular" band do that. Just my opinion. > >Fuck 3, I could do it in a milisecond! I've done it. I'll put all my DT discs >in the changer, and hit shuffle. Then I'll pause it. Then I skip ahead in the >song. I hit play for just a second and then pause it again. then I name the >song. > You don't have to be in the cultural/social abyss of a place like ARKVILLE to be able to do that. In all seriousness, no matter how much you keep things the same in the recording environment for each song, there will invariably be timbral differences, however slight they may be, they do exist. So an F# that JP hits in one song with his lead sound will still sound different than the F# he hits (with probably the same amp settings, played in the same place on the fretboard, etc) in another song. So, our ears become attuned to the timbral qualities of each song, whether we know it or not. We don't depend on the content/context to ID a song, but rather some crazy, subconscious neural pathway.

    >From: >To: >Subject: feelings, nothing more than feelings............

    >and the person who talked why dt is considered boring or unemotional- i agree >with him as well. of course, they are incredible (moot point), but has anyone >listened to portnoy and myung(notice correct spelling this time) and felt >convinced that it was all sequenced? i sure as hell have. they do things >quite well beyond the capabilities of most humans, that you are left thinking >that, i think. > Hmm... The way I see it with DT, these guys care so much about what they do that they set out to do it as best they can. I see their superhuman chops as a byproduct of their expression of their love for music. Nothing against you dude, but I just don't see how technically proficient = devoid of emotion.

    --------------------------------------- >From: Ben Laussade <> >Subject: Spherical Cows. > >Damn! (no offense taken, btw) Am I the only Jammer that likes Oasis? > I don't know... and I don't care... Just more evidence that you're a fuckin' wierd kid! ;) All kidding aside, should it matter if you're the only Jammer that does? I personally can't stand them, but I'm not gonna call be like "you suck cuz you like Oasis."

    >From: Mithrandir <> >Subject: Funny stuff > > The count on the battle in space between the Enterprise and a Star >Destroyer is now SD 15 Enterprise 4 > I was gonna say something... but I won't. Wanna stay on Skadz's good side. ;)

    +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ |Elliott Kim | | | +------------+-----------------+--------------------------------------+ | It'd be wierd without beer... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:33:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andrija Bosnjakovic <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652 Message-ID: <>

    Someone came out with idea of PMF being sent here. Here it is!

    Pull My Finger (lyrics by Shane Carey, music by Dream Theater, catering by Meatloaf)

    Crust of a pie filled with apples and cinnamon Sugar high Drool and juice running down my chin

    Three kinds of beef and bologna A whole bowl of cheese rigatoni and Every dish gets cleaned off real fast Every meal as if it could be my last

    Watch th' pictures falling As I thunder down the hall I'm on way down to the mall to grab a milkshake I'll gain seven pounds from one Bite of that luscious honey-bun And what th' hell, I'll wash it all down with some chocolate cake

    French toast with butter and jelly It all goes to my butt or my belly and Every dish gets cleaned off real fast Every bite, though, is sure to give me gas

    Pull my finger, Pull my finger, Pull my finger, don't be afraid I ate so many tacos last night My gut is feeling hot and tight

    Dust fills my eyes Powdered sugar flies everywhere Cookie crumbs fly On th' carpet and in my hair

    Fix me a pot of spaghetti I ate up the last one already I'll die within th' year at this rate They'll have to bury me in a piano crate

    Pull my finger, Pull my finger, Pull my finger, don't be afraid Tentmakers don't make pant in my size No one I know has bigger thighs

    (oh that I could win my weight in french fries)




    Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:52:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory A Larson <> To: Subject: Post?? Message-ID: <>

    If this is the address to post a message, I have one to post. If not, could you please tell me how to post something? Thanks!

    Does anyone out there trade DT tapes?? I am trying to find people to trade with, because I don't have any DT of my own to offer. I do have some Dave Matthews Band, Blues Traveler, Hornsby, and Pearl Jam though. If anyone is interested, please write me at



    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 09:37:26 -0500 From: John Dea <> To: "~YTSEJAM" <> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649 Message-ID: <>

    >Don't send em to the jam either. Ben, if you wanna see this kind of >stuff, that's a personal thing and not something for the whole jam, >because they will get annoying real fast. If you really want people >to send these, have them send em to you and then you can post a full >list to the jam.

    Okay, okay, I won't do that anymore. I had some new lyrics for "Wait for Sheep", but I guess now it would be a baaaaaad idea to post them d-8 I don't want to get your goat, Skadz, nor am I trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Ah well, it could've been a fun thread... (-8


    PS: I *will*, however, post the complete lyrics to "The Ytse Lamb":


    (Hope you enjoyed it)

    O-------------------------------------------------------------O / /| O-------------------------------------------------------------O | | John R Dea, 1st Lt, USAF | | | | War Planning Systems Analyst | | | | United States Strategic | | | | Command / J6210A2 (SPAM) | | O | Offutt AFB, Nebraska | Puns are just some antics |/ O-------------------------------------------------------------O


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:15:35 -0500 (EDT) From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <> To: Subject: Tori/Cacophony Message-ID: <>

    Hello, #1 Drame Thaetre fan am I: David the mystical potato head crack thing said this:

    > speaking of feeling, someone who has plenty of that, tori amos. that > unplugged had some of her best and worst playing ever. any of you tori freaks

    Does breathing heavily and moaning constitute plenty of feeling? I agree that some of her stuff is moving, but perhaps for other reasons. Please elaborate.

    Ben asked about the availablity of Cacophony's CDs. They're in the mainstream record stores in this part of the country (Ky). In case it hasn't been mentioned, the album titles are as follows: Speed Metal Symphony and Go Off. Be aware if you, or anyone, get/s them that this is pretty raw stuff with loads of insane guitar work. By that I mean that the guitars dominate and there's not much of a homogenous "band sound," a la DT. Also, the singer is horrible, as well as most of the lyrics. That doesn't sound like much of a good recommendation, does it? :) But it's cool stuff nonetheless.

    Adidas, Scott Daugherty


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:05:43 -0400 From: buster <> To: Subject: Becker price correction Message-ID: <>

    > From: "Richard Karsmakers" <> > To: > Subject: To Brian, about Jason Becker...

    > Sure Brian, *everything* Jason Becker did was awesome. You should get every > album he has...but don't *dub* them, for crying out loud. The music is good > enough to buy, and Jason isn't stinking rich or something, and he really > needs the cash. All of his albums are still available, so get them. They're > not too expensive either, not even the latest one (US$ 25).

    Just wanted to post a friendly correction to this: Jason's CD's are ALL $15 and under and you can order them right from his page. Someone asked about Cacophony, yes you can order that there too $14.75. You can link to Jasons page from mine:

    Rich is definitely right about one thing here: PLEASE don't dub Jason's it! He really needs the support right now for his medical expenses. His father had to leave his job to stay and home and take care of Jason. (since Jason can't even feed himself anymore) His music is well worth the mere $15 per CD.

    thanks, buster


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:11:29 -0400 From: buster <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652 Message-ID: <>

    > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:03:21 -0700 > From: Ben Laussade <>

    > BTW......are Cacophony CD's readily found in most music stores?

    The answer is no, but you CAN order them from Shrapnel records. On the Jason becker home page you'll find how to order the Cacophony CD' (Go Off, and Speed Metal Symphony) for $14.75 each. You can link to that page from mine.



    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:07:25 -0700 From: mike olekshy <> To: Subject: feelings Message-ID: <>

    > has anyone >listened to portnoy and myung(notice correct spelling this time) and felt >convinced that it was all sequenced? i sure as hell have.

    I think that may have to do more with the production on those studio records. When I hear live bootlegs of LTL and ACOS(old version), Portnoy plays with an unbelievable amount of emotion and dynamics that it almost brings me to tears - you can just feel those live versions build and bulid and to me its not so much Petrucci's playing as it is Portnoy's drums.

    cheers MMO


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: scottwe@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU (Edward Scott) To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1652 Message-ID: <01I6HFGQ60BS8Y52YH@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>

    How does one get OFF this mailing list???


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <> To: Subject: Annoying little... Message-ID: <>

    >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:03:42 -0400 >From: Alberto Mac=EDas <> >To: >Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) >Message-ID: <> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >"Subscribe ytsejam (Alberto Mac=EDas)" AAARRRGGGHHH!!! This is becoming the next RESPONSE FROM IBMMAIL. And it is from the same freakin' place! This is someone who is purposefully doing= this! Maybe we should all try tracking down this person and do SOMETHING to them!



    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:17:14 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1649 Message-ID: <>

    At 10:03 PM 6/28/96 -0700, you wrote: >Magna Carta releases tribute albums not as a mass for the dead, but >as a token of respect to those bands that have influenced the >progressive music that we now listen to today.

    Actually, I think they are released more as a marketing ploy, to introduce fans of Yes, Genesis, etc. to the bands on their label. Although, that argument doesn't work real well with the Rush one, does it (because its not done by individual bands)?


    Jonathan Byrne West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Any major dude with half a heart Surely would tell you my friend, Any minor world that breaks apart Falls together again." -"Any Major Dude", Steely Dan


    Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:35:23 -0400 From: The One They Call Wacky <> To: Subject: Emotion in music... Message-ID: <>

    Hey, all! I haven't posted in a while, and this recent discussion kinda irked me a little. This whole musician's emotions thing. WildKoba doesn't think that Portnoy and Myung don't play with emotion. He thinks this because they play very well, almost sounding like machines because of their precision. So who should we look to as being musicians that play with "lots of emotion?" Musicians who play BADLY? Someone who plays ALMOST precisely, but does it with a lot of "feeling?" Personally, I see no correlation between precision and emotion. So Petrucci plays some blues licks and does some bends. That makes him the "feelings guy?" Come on! Mike Portnoy and John Myung have spent many, many hours of their lives practicing their respective instruments. They're professional musicians. That's what they do. Does Midori not play with emotion just because she's so precise? Mike, John, Midori, Yo Yo Ma, .... all try their hardest to achieve flawless performances. They practice and practice and worry that they haven't practiced enough.... and every time they perform, all of that practice, trying their absolute hardest to play perfectly, manifests itself in their emotions, whether or not they achieve the perfection they desire. And if they don't play as well as they would have liked, they may get down on themselves and possibly get really depressed and whatnot. So unless you're an empath and you can feel what they're feeling, you really can't "hear" the emotion in their playing, not matter how mechanical it may sound. But maybe you're talking about tasteful note selection, clever repeated lines, flatted fifth bends, and other "feeling" devices. Do you really think that someone who utilizes these techniques really has more emotion as a person or really conveys more emotion as a musician? Maybe you do.

    So what do you all think? --

    Brian Wherry Boston University Computer Engineering '98


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