YTSEJAM Digest 1377
Today's Topics:
1) YES!!!!!
by DreamNDay@aol.com
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/28/96 - 23:15:16" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) White Lion
by bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
4) NO!
by bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
5) Genesis Seeking New Vocalist for New Album (fwd)
by King Semantic <ancl@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
6) Cool.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
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8) ACOS Tab
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
9) Re: DT exposure in europe / ACOS snare sound
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
10) Re: DT Pictures?
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
11) Metropolis List
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
12) WANTED: Music Meant To Be Heard
by Bogie34@aol.com
13) Drum Triggering...
by "Jonathan J.S. Tischio" <tischio@caip.rutgers.edu>
14) Dave Matthews Band
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
15) No surprise
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
16) Dream Theater Dream
by 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu>
17) Home for the Holidays
by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
18) Snares
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:53:32 -0500
From: DreamNDay@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YES!!!!!
Message-ID: <960328175331_364691375@emout08.mail.aol.com>
I was talking to my girlfriend yesterday and she said someone got her a DT
tape for her birthday. She loved it! (I knew she had good taste-she's going
out with me, after all :) She said she especially like "Waiting For Sleep",
but I corrected her. That rules! I didn't even have to convert her!
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Oh no! Here comes DreamNDay!
Everybody hide your bandwidth before he takes it all!
later--------------Brian
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:16:00 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/28/96 - 23:15:16" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:06:15 -0600
From: bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: White Lion
Message-ID: <199603290006.SAA16973@ppp2.internetwis.com>
>Since we're on the subject of Mr. Big, however the hell that happened,
>who here likes or even liked White Lion. I know - (*cheese*) but if
>anything, Vito Bratta kicks ass! Flame away!
i was wondering the same thing. what ever happened to White Lion?
mathew
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:08:26 -0600
From: bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NO!
Message-ID: <199603290008.SAA16992@ppp2.internetwis.com>
Debbie wrote:
>Anyone wanna argue religion again?
No! please! not that!!
arrggghhh!
mathew
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:13:34 -0500 (EST)
From: King Semantic <ancl@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
To: ytsejaM - Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Genesis Seeking New Vocalist for New Album (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960328191232.22569F-100000@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>
Thought this might be of general interest....:(
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:23:46 -0500
From: LMDARLING@aol.com
To: paperlate@ansto.gov.au
Cc: LMDARLING@aol.com
Subject: Genesis Seeking New Vocalist for New Album
Here's something that popped up on Reuters during an AOL search - seems the
rumors held the usual mix of bits of truth with some things not quite so
correct (at least if work on the new album is already in progress, as this
would have it).
Linda Darling
NEW YORK--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--March 28, 1996--Atlantic recording group
Genesis, one of the most successful rock bands in the world, are currently
seeking a vocalist.
This is the first move to recruit a new member since Peter Gabriel left the
group in 1975. For the past 20 years, drummer Phil Collins has been temping
as singer, to great acclaim. Now, however, he has decided to move on in
order to concentrate on his solo projects.
Mike Rutherford -- whose other band, Mike & The Mechanics, are on a sold-out
UK tour, with an album at No. 3 in the charts -- confirmed that this was a
completely amicable parting. "I quite understand Phil's reasons for leaving
-- being in two highly successful outfits is very hard work. When a change
like this comes about, it brings something different, and that's what we've
found with the new direction our music is now taking. The new Genesis
album that Tony and I are working on will be much heavier and darker."
Tony Banks, keyboard player with Genesis since he and Peter Gabriel formed a
songwriting partnership at school in 1966, described Phil's departure as "an
opportunity rather than a problem. Of course we'll miss him. We have had
some fantastic times together. But this gives us a chance to take Genesis
to the next stage."
Phil Collins commented: "Having been in Genesis for 25 years, I felt it
time to change direction in my musical life. For me now, it will be music
for movies, some jazz projects, and of course my solo career. I wish the
guys in Genesis all the very best in their future. We remain the best of
friends."
The band, who have sold over 80 million albums so far, have begun work on a
new album, their twentieth, and will be auditioning vocalists in the near
future. They are still considering their options as regards replacing
Collins with a regular drummer.
CONTACT:
Atlantic Recording Corporation
Patti Conte, 212/275-2033
Tracy Zamot, 212/275-2345
Laura Gold, 310/205-7412
KEYWORD: NEW YORK CALIFORNIA
INDUSTRY KEYWORD: ENTERTAINMENT
MAR 28,1996
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:07:09 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cool.
Message-ID: <199603290007.RAA05626@maple.enet.net>
>>I have a question. I think it will be interesting to see the answers.
>>
>> What is Music?
>>
>Hmm... 12 notes, a set of rules you don't necessarily have to follow,
>and most importantly, YOU.
Yes! I'm music! :-)
> "Dream Theater Ultimate Trivial Pursuit" seems like the best
>choice of all for how to earn the CD.
Cool. :-)
> personally think drum triggers suck when used while recording an
>album. It's understandable that sometimes when playing a gig, a decent
>acoustic drum sound is hard to achieve. That's about the only excuse for
>then using triggers. I think triggers make the raw, acoustic qualities
>of the drums too synthetic.
I hate them too, and I know Mike Portnoy wasn't to thrilled with the I&W
trigger either...but one question. If he had the trigger on I&W, how did he
manage the ghost notes on LtL? And, if he could do that, why didn't he do it
when he wanted to use ghost notes other places on the album?
>YKYADTFW: You feel the same way as Rip Zero does and you still subscribe
>to Guitar World just for John Petrucci's monthly column.
>
YKYADTF if you get mad when people mispronounce Ytsejam when that's the
alias you use at the lasertag place.
>I usually have no imagination to notice anything, but this caught my
>eye. I remember awhile back when people were trying to get all the songs by
>the pictures on the Awake cover. Well, I found "Metropolis" off to the left.
Yeah...I know what you mean, but it also kinda looks like a giant
boat/ship/thing.
"I could sail by on the winds of silence..." Nah. :-)
Mistaken DT lyrics:
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>I know a few jammers are DMB (Dave Matthews Band) fans as well. Has
>anyone heard the new song Too Much? This song just sounds wierd. I hope
>the other songs are a ton better.
>
"Pay For What You Get" and "Rhyme and Reason". Two of my all time fave songs.
>Anyone wanna argue religion again?
>
Let's just argue about whether I'm god...or I'm god. Hey wait a sec...:-)
Might be fun, but I don't want moderation again. That sucked.
That's all I have to say about thaaaat.
Ben Laussade
Favorite Song of the Week: Island in the Stream
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:33:32 -0400
From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam ML <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ACOS Tab
Message-ID: <315B2FDC.1A37@caribe.net>
Hey there fellow 'Jammers. I posted about this a while back and received one response, from RipZero. Just wanted to see if
anyone else wanted to contribute to this. Basically, we're making a group effort to transcribe ACOS. Any takers?
Later,
-DMC-
--Daniel McCormack emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
"Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? ___ ___ ___________________________/ \___________/ \__ / __ ____ __ __ __ __ . / __ __ __ _/_ /\ / /_// / // / / | / / /_ /_/ / / /_/ / / / / /_ / / //__ @ /__ /__/|/ / /__//_ ./ / /_ / / / /_________________________________________________/ / dmc \_________________________________________________\/ 1996
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:42:41 -0400 From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT exposure in europe / ACOS snare sound Message-ID: <315B07D1.28B1@caribe.net>
E. Ballinger wrote: > >I personally also like the Awake snare sound better, but hate the IAW trigger > >sound. John Petrucci said to me that he liked it! I couldn't believe it! Mike > >does not like it, of course. I heard him play the middle part of Metropolis at > >the clinic, and it sounds so much better with all the ghost notes on the > >snare! > > This has been discussed before, but it's funny how the drummers seem to > like the ACOS snare whereas the guitarists like the I&W snare. The Awake > snare is somewhere in between, maybe appealing to bassists. ;-) However I > think the reason that guitarists don't like the ACOS snare is cause it's so > high and poppy that it cuts through their high squeely diddly-piss solo, > thus taking the spotlight off them, and doing their ego absolutely no > good!!! hehe - flame away! > > Cheers... Edd.
I'm a guitarist but I like the ACOS snare. I'm the antithesis. Ha. Anyways, the snare on ACOS is a piccolo(sp?) snare, which is considered by most drummers as better sounding than a standard or soprano snare. Piccolo snares are also usually more expensive than standard snares, from what I've seen in catalogs as I was trying to find the guitar section... :) I think most drummers prefer the snare on ACOS just as most guitarists would prefer the guitar tone on a song that JP uses his Ibanez more than on a song where he used some crappy peavey or something... I REPEAT: I'm NOT a drummer so please be considerate in your 'responses.' :)
Later, -DMC-
--
Daniel McCormack emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
"Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? ___ ___ ___________________________/ \___________/ \__ / __ ____ __ __ __ __ . / __ __ __ _/_ /\ / /_// / // / / | / / /_ /_/ / / /_/ / / / / /_ / / //__ @ /__ /__/|/ / /__//_ ./ / /_ / / / /_________________________________________________/ / dmc \_________________________________________________\/ 1996
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:56:24 -0400 From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Pictures? Message-ID: <315B2728.F81@caribe.net>
Jeffrey Cline wrote: > > Hey Jammers I was wondering if anyone could give me a website that > has DT pictures. Once I ran across a site that had over 50 pictures but I > lost the address. I anyone knows of one please let me know. > > "At the speed of love, nothing changes faster" RUSH
I just recently found a good one, may not be what you're looking for tho (it's RENDERED graphics). Anyways, here's the address:
Dream Theatrica Graphica http://weber.u.washington.edu/~pass/dtg.html
Later, -DMC-
--
Daniel McCormack emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
"Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? ___ ___ ___________________________/ \___________/ \__ / __ ____ __ __ __ __ . / __ __ __ _/_ /\ / /_// / // / / | / / /_ /_/ / / /_/ / / / / /_ / / //__ @ /__ /__/|/ / /__//_ ./ / /_ / / / /_________________________________________________/ / dmc \_________________________________________________\/ 1996
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:40:01 -0800 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis List Message-ID: <199603290040.QAA08883@ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Is there anyone out there receiving the Metropolis list. I subscribed to it when Ken first announced it; I got a confirmation, and that's it! I have sent messages to the Metropolis-owner and to Ken Bibb directly and never got a response. Does anyone know if Ken or the list is still around?
Scott Cook
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:53:25 -0500 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WANTED: Music Meant To Be Heard Message-ID: <960328195324_500570091@mail02.mail.aol.com>
Can someone who has a good copy of this PLEASE e-mail me? I have asked two other people so far for a dub of this tape, and both of those people have reneged on their offer...so please, one of you good-hearted jammers, help me out!
Thanks
Bogie
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:16:46 -0500 From: "Jonathan J.S. Tischio" <tischio@caip.rutgers.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drum Triggering... Message-ID: <199603290116.UAA15625@caip.rutgers.edu>
>>This has been discussed before, but it's funny how the drummers seem to >>like the ACOS snare whereas the guitarists like the I&W snare. The Awake >>snare is somewhere in between, maybe appealing to bassists. ;-) However I >>think the reason that guitarists don't like the ACOS snare is cause it's so >>high and poppy that it cuts through their high squeely diddly-piss solo, >>thus taking the spotlight off them, and doing their ego absolutely no >>good!!! hehe - flame away! > >I'm a drummer and I don't like the snare sound on ACOS. I think Mike is >falling into a trend in getting one of those annoying piccalo snare drums. >I think there is a bit of novelty (as a drummer) experienced when you play >one of these because they sound so different from a normal 5 1/2" to 6 1/2" >snare. They really cut through the mix. I wouldn't buy one though, it >would just get annoying after a while.
I just got back to the 'JAM after a bit of a break to find something really important to me. That's pretty kewl. But anyway-
I really think Mike's sound would be greatly improved by using an even larger snare than the normal 5.5" to 6.5" size. So much of his playing already sounds big, and I feel a deep resonating sanre would be the ideal centerpiece to his kit. Maybe it's just me, but I just crave that John Bonham-esque sound that makes your teeth ratlle. Just my $0.02.
Jonathan
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan J. S. Tischio, CCF-Technical Support tischio@toolbox.rutgers.edu Hill Center, Rm. 120 http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/~tischio Office: (908)445-2734 Pager: (908)498-1812 Home: (908)756-7061
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:40:40 -0600 From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dave Matthews Band Message-ID: <199603290140.TAA87472@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
The Dave Matthews Band is definately talented!! I really enjoyed seeing Dave and Tim Reynolds together this past February in Davenport, IA on their little acoustic tour. I'm SUPER excited for the new CD as well as another tour with the entire band.
The new tunes (I've heard about 6 or 7 during the acoustic show) sound great, and with full band on the upcoming CD should be sweet. I haven't heard of the song mentioned on the last Ytsejam, but I do know about a few others. If anyone's interested, the new one by DMB should be out in April sometime. Adios! _____________________________________________
"There's no religon that will bring you through to morning" _____________________________________________
name - Ryan T. Good e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu phone - 1-(608)-264-2268 what - Madison Student Radio who - Music Staff (Music Stapher) which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal why - why not?
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: No surprise Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960328204633.127698C-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
I like White Lion too.
Richie
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:04:24 -0800 (PST) From: 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater Dream Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960328175826.14527A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hey Jammers:
This is pretty wierd, but the other night I had the strangest dream. My best friend and I were at a Dream Theater concert and we were in the front row. When Dream Theater came out every one went crazy and then they broke out like a tuba, trombone and trumpet and proceeded to play a big band version of one of their songs! It was really wierd. THen after the song was over, I told Mike Portnoy how cool it was and he shook my hand. Totally bizarre. Well, later.
-Scott
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu> To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Home for the Holidays Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603282136.A27548-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
Man! Don't make me beg! A friend of mine recently asked me if I could get him a copy of one of the Holiday shows, and I thought, "sure, no problem." But I didn't even get one response. :( Can anyone help me out? Ryan
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * *{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}* "For once, I'll fight for what I believe in." "You'll stand alone against everybody for the first time in your life?" "Yes, for the first time in my life!" *<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>* rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085 Connecticut College
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:38:46 -0500 From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> To: Dream Weavers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Snares Message-ID: <v01540b00ad80d89507d3@bootp-234-126.bootp.virginia.edu>
Well, since the Portnoy snare thread has been revived, I figured I'd hop in.
Someone said that guitar players seems to like the triggered sound-- well, as a guitarist AND a keyboard/drum programmer, I think triggers can occasionally sound cool, but the I&W snare is terrible. Even when I program drumloops and fills, I always make a point to vary the velocity of the snare hit depending on how it's used. If it's the "grace note" of a flam (to make it sound like hitting the snare with both sticks), or if it's a series of fast x-tuplets, or if it's the off-beat ghost notes in a funk pattern, then they get low velocities-- because if you hit a drum harder or softer, the timbre will obviously sound different. You'd be amazed at how lifelike programmed drums can sound if you pay attention to detail like that, as opposed to just looping a beat, strictly quantized, velocities identical. One velocity for all hits make the snare sound very unnatural and awkward; the same goes for toms and kick drums and cymbals. Every drummer will tell you that. Triggers take away drum DYNAMICS-- and Dream Theater of all bands should know the musical value in dynamics.
Then again, I probably would not have minded so much had Portnoy's trigger of choice been something higher in pitch. The deep snare he uses on I&W is really just shit. But I can't get enough of the soprano snare sound... I think that trend in modern drumming is a great move. I also think Portnoy's Awake sound is one of the best snare sounds I've ever heard. I don't like ACOS's snare, though, the coffee can thing. It's high, but it's just not crisp-- it's matte, not bright, like Awake. No reverb, no color. I blame Prater, as usual.
[Some other REALLY cool snare sounds: Chad Sexton of 311, David of Korn, John Stanier of Helmet, Carter Beauford of DMB, Aaron Comess of Spin Doctors, John Tempesta of White Zombie (and Testament's "Low"), Neil Peart (his recent sound), Dave Abbruzzese late of Pearl Jam.]
One more thing I have to add about Portnoy's drums-- the sound of his cymbals. On Awake (and also I&W a little), I think what makes them sound so damn cool is that you really only hear the HINT of a cymbal. You hear the heavy kick drum hit, but you don't hear that heavy, harsh Lars-like crash cymbal, you hear this really light splash hidden away in the mix. This is more a production thing than Portnoy's doing-- Duane and John are the shit. It's probably a good thing-- with all the cymbal work Portnoy does all over the place, if those cymbals were mixed loud, we'd all be deaf from the tintinnabulation alone.
This is another thing that I agonize over in programming drums: even in the heaviest, fastest drum pattern, the cymbals are always at like Velocity 60 even if the kick is at 127. And I always, ALWAYS, "humanize" the drums (Performer 5.02, throws the timing off by a certain number of ticks; removes the ugly robotic sound of quantization). But of course, it's never the same as a real drummer, fuckups and poor hygiene habits notwithstanding <grin>.
I remember a long while ago, Ben said that he loved Portnoy's drums because the toms had all this attack and tonality, and no ringing. I agree, the Awake toms are really cool-- and the way they're mixed on Awake, it sounds like they're surrounding Portnoy at a 20 foot radius. They sound great on Surround Sound-- too bad the SS I heard them on had no bass.
Just my 20,000 pesos.
Scott. Wishes He Was A Drummer
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