YTSEJAM Digest 1376
Today's Topics:
1) Kevin Moore/Chroma Key/older demos
by AirDance@aol.com
2) John Petrucci clinics
by rbarker@epix.net
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/28/96 - 18:09:39" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) TWO CLARIFICATIONS: CDs
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1375[3~aaaaaaaaaaa
by Itchak Schwarzbard <ischwarz@ic.sunysb.edu>
6) You know you're a DT fan when...
by Jeff Perrot <c664915@showme.missouri.edu>
7) The D-amn D-Man!
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
8) What Is Music?
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
9) DT Pictures?
by Jeffrey Cline <jcline@quapaw.astate.edu>
10) Drum Triggers Suck
by Jonathan Goad <jgoad@quapaw.astate.edu>
11) YKYADTFW:
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
12) Shakespeare, Spam, Satch, and other "S" words...
by Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu>
13) AWAKE Cover
by Andrew <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1375
by Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
15) ACOS Snare sound
by "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca>
16) DMB
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
17) Hades
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
18) Al
by SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
19) Metropolis? Mailing list
by cfh@galaxy.galstar.com (Hebertson)
20) many things
by kozmas@Meena.CC.URegina.CA
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:57:20 -0500
From: AirDance@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Moore/Chroma Key/older demos
Message-ID: <960328125719_457120273@mail04>
Hello everyone,
In Ytsejam digest 1374 on Wednesday, Mar. 27,1996, our transcriptionist pal
Dave Kobayashi <WildKoba@aol.com> wrote:
>i have a proposal for you, and i hope i hear results, and good ones
>preferably when i return in a week or so.
>
>to all you kevin moore-ophiles who've been checking out the webpage (or
not),
>i think it would be really awesome if he made available original copies of
>all his other demos (or most of them). i don't know about you, but i am
kinda
>wary of my ratty tape copy of the stuff, and i'd much rather appreciate to
>have them in their original forms (not that the guy who dubed them for me
was
>miserable in any way, but i always prefer originals to the imitation- that's
>why i prefer ky jelly over the leading brand). so how about it?
Wow, a public proposal! That was quick! :)
You're not the only person who has written to me privately about this
recently (why you are all asking *me* about this and not Kevin himself, I
have no idea. I guess it's because I did the dubbing project. :), and I've
been talking to Kevin about this myself too. He's now seriously considering
making the older "Santa Fe demos" (the dubbing project demos) available the
same way he has the Chroma Key demos.
Now, hold yer horses... don't go bugging him about it just yet (be good!
<G>). :) Although he is thinking about doing this, he has no concrete plans
on exactly *how* to do it yet (packaging, etc.), so give him some time to
come up with some ideas before sending him your orders. ;) But, he is very
aware now that people want to see this happen and he does intend to do
something about it, if at all feasible.
So, hows about this... if anyone on this list is interested in purchasing a
copy of Kevin's older demos (the dubbing project demos) directly from him,
write me a private e-mail just stating that, "yes, I would be interested in
purchasing said items from the Kevster," and feel free to add any additional
comments about it you'd like to throw in (ideas on distribution, pricing, or
packaging for example), and I'll gather all the e-mail requests & ideas
together and give him the Big Picture in about two weeks. First and
foremost, he really needs to know how many people would be interested in
buying these older demos before he decides to make them available. 'Kay? :)
And please DON'T POST PUBLIC MAIL TO THE LIST ABOUT THIS OR RISK BEING FLAMED
FOR SAYING, "yeah, me too!!!" Only AOLers like WildKoba would do that...
..oh yeah, I'm an AOLer myself. Whoops. ;)
Kevin just mailed off the first 30 or so Chroma Key tapes, so be looking in
your mailboxes soon!
Take care everyone,
Jennifer
<airdance@aol.com>
"I've had a wonderful evening. And this wasn't it."
-Groucho Marx
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 13:07:42 PST
From: rbarker@epix.net
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: John Petrucci clinics
Message-ID: <Chameleon.960328131007.rbarker@.epix.net>
Does anyone know if JP is going to do any clinics in the
states? I would like to know if he is so I could see one.
I live in PA. I am willing to travel to Maryland, Jersey,
Delaware, or New York to see one. So if anyone has any info
I would appreciate it.
Robert Barker(Ibanez)
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Name: Barker
E-mail: rbarker@epix.net
Date: 3/28/96
Time: 1:07:42 PM
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:10:23 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/28/96 - 18:09:39" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199603281810.KAA18462@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 18:10:11 GMT on 28 Mar 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:15:54 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TWO CLARIFICATIONS: CDs
Message-ID: <199603281815.LAA09860@bud.indirect.com>
Two quick clarifications on my last post about CDs...
Rush "Critical Mass", even if two separate CDs, will be created,
mailed, sent, etc. together in a single package. I won't be separating
the two parts of the show, that would be a logistics nightmare.
Dream Theater "Precious Things" won't be out until late July at
the very earliest. I will be putting together the listing of who already
has reservations for it before classes let out for the summer.. likely
early May. Thus, the contest will be run before then for the final
spots. "Dream Theater Ultimate Trivial Pursuit" seems like the best
choice of all for how to earn the CD. I might have to do a run of 150
just to include all the people who have ordered every disc.
In between Critical Mass and Precious Things will probably be my
Van Halen release, which I figure only some of you will want.. I'll
likely be promoting that over on the VH list. Anyone got the address to
subscribe? I'll make it available here as well, of course, but I know
this is the DT forum first and foremost.
I hope Type O Negative gets a release done this year; I'd love to
release the Type O CD along with the jump in publicity it'll cause.
General info: many have asked me if I'll ever do CDs of Fates
Warning, King's X, Galactic Cowboys. The answer is, I sure hope so. But
at this point I know I couldn't crank 500 of them and still sell. If I
have the ability to produce more small-print-run material like Precious
Things, I'll see what I can arrange. I really dig those three bands, but
I know the truth about their selling power. :(
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:52:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Itchak Schwarzbard <ischwarz@ic.sunysb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1375[3~aaaaaaaaaaa
Message-ID: <199603281852.NAA06555@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu>
aaaaaaahhhhhh boy. man. God. shit.
(Phish reference).
Anyway, to dtmk, mojo, etc.etc. I am ready, willing, and able to jam this
break (sorry, digital). Write me back, let me know when. Later.
Its
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:52:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Perrot <c664915@showme.missouri.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You know you're a DT fan when...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960328124342.82400A-100000@silver.missouri.edu>
You'll never guess what happened to me today.
I was in Calculus class and I was surfing the Web. (We each have a
computer in front of us, and I didn't feel like listening to the
lecture.) So naturally, when I first opened Netscape, I checked out my
homepage. I have a sound clip of ACOS on there, and I thought I'd
download it to my computer in the lab so I could listen to it later.
Well, later came sooner than I thought. I clicked on the file, and
Netscape was set up to play the .wav file, not download it to a file. So
through the speakers, my entire class heard ACOS. I tried to stop it
(didn't want to), but the computer locked up. So my lab class of about
30 got a 50 second sample of _A Change of Seasons_. I was hoping someone
would say, "hey, that's Dream Theater", but everyone just kind of
laughed. Sorry I rambled on, but I thought it was kind of funny.
Jeff Perrot
(Haus)
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:25:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The D-amn D-Man!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960328132422.2729B-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
D-Man said:
>I found something worse than spam
>Shit like this on the Ytse Jam
Chris, this is why we all love you and Bafu. LOL!
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:35:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What Is Music?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960328143107.24431A-100000@serss1>
A little while ago, Ben Jammin' Laussade asked:
>I have a question. I think it will be interesting to see the answers.
>
> What is Music?
>
Hmm... 12 notes, a set of rules you don't necessarily have to follow,
and most importantly, YOU.
--=The Cliff's Notes Version of my .signature file=--
Elliott Kim [Insert ASCII doodle here] Florida International University
ekim01@fiu.edu E-Man@dreamt.org
[Insert profound quote here]
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:52:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeffrey Cline <jcline@quapaw.astate.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Pictures?
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960328134623.8422A-100000@quapaw.astate.edu>
Hey Jammers I was wondering if anyone could give me a website that
has DT pictures. Once I ran across a site that had over 50 pictures but I
lost the address. I anyone knows of one please let me know.
"At the speed of love, nothing changes faster" RUSH
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:51:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Jonathan Goad <jgoad@quapaw.astate.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drum Triggers Suck
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960328134426.8113B-100000@quapaw.astate.edu>
Fellow Ytsedrummers,
I personally think drum triggers suck when used while recording an
album. It's understandable that sometimes when playing a gig, a decent
acoustic drum sound is hard to achieve. That's about the only excuse for
then using triggers. I think triggers make the raw, acoustic qualities
of the drums too synthetic. If a person is going to use triggers for
recording an album, they might as well just program the drum parts. I also
think the use of triggers in the studio stems from a laziness regarding
tuning, miking, and using effects on the drums(if absolutely necessary).
However, when recording acoustic drums, a maximum effort should be made
to make the drums sound as good as possible. I hate the snare buzz from
the toms on ACOS! That's my only gripe with DT.
Jonathan Goad
"Animate Me." -Neil Peart
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:05:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YKYADTFW:
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960328150127.24431C-100000@serss1>
> From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
> Subject: Rhoads, Wankers, Mags, and other sensless garbage,,, the usual
>
> when i was checkin' out all these old guitar mags i almost flipped.
> They're incredible! real guitarists on every page, tons of great
> techniques and the parts at the beginning of the magazine where people
> write in were about things like Nuno vs. Satch! Its great! what ever
> happened?! Now its full of alternative bands interviews because theres
> nothing for them to offer musically, and when they do try its just how
> to finger power chords like they do or stuff like that. Dont get me
> wrong here, alot of you like Alternative type music and thats fine, but
> i dont think they need to be in all these guitar magazines so much.
> They transcibe things like Greenday songs which is a big waste
> considering anyone should be able to figure them out and as for
> beginner guitarists, they should be able to find SOMEONE who can show
> them, ug.
YKYADTFW: You feel the same way as Rip Zero does and you still subscribe
to Guitar World just for John Petrucci's monthly column.
--=The Cliff's Notes Version of my .signature file=--
Elliott Kim [Insert ASCII doodle here] Florida International University
ekim01@fiu.edu E-Man@dreamt.org
[Insert profound quote here]
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:58:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shakespeare, Spam, Satch, and other "S" words...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960328143557.21645A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:40:54 -0800
> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
>
> Which reminds me. I had to write a scene for my playwriting class (Actually
> I had to write menay scenes) that was a quid pro quo -- you know two people
> talking about different things but each one thinks they are talking about
> the same thing -- classic double misunderstanging, and mine came out
> sounding like Shakespeare (bad Shakespeare, mind you) and, in coming up with
> Shakespearean names, turned to the Jam! So, there's Lord Laussade, his
> crafty servant Bafu, who is in love with Laussade's daughter, Bahrina, so
> Laussade disguises himself as Sengir, the stable hand, to confront him, and
> that's thew scene I wrote! Pretty corny, but thanks for the inspiration, folks!
...and crafty servant Bafu reveals himself as King of all the
land and launches walruses and big-ol'-bags-o'-popcorn on Lord
Laussade!!!... oh, sorry... :^)
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:37:59 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
> > The mist...a blurry vision.
>
> You should set your resolution for more colors. Perhaps play it on a
> Pentium.
heh-heh... nice one, D! (That game's cool...)
> I found something worse than spam
> Shit like this on the Ytse Jam
ROT-FLAME-OH!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahaha!! You r00l, D-man! :^)
Woo-hoo!! Tomorrw I'm getting tickets for Joe Satriani at the
Modjeska!!! Oh man, that reminds me... this one's for all you YJLHBH
(did I abbreviate that right? Hairball? Anyone?) members... SATCH SHAVED
HIS HEAD!!!!! Mourn your fallen brother. *sigh* No, I'm not kidding.
Check the recent photos at http://www.satriani.com if you don't believe
me. :^)
OK, time to reward all you who read this far with a little DTC:
Has anyone else noticed that the Demo version of TTT off TSM
single is faster than the I&W version? I could've sworn...
Later,
Da Bigman
bigman@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:35:55 -0800
From: Andrew <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AWAKE Cover
Message-ID: <199603282135.NAA22695@mindcrime.ax.com>
I usually have no imagination to notice anything, but this caught my
eye. I remember awhile back when people were trying to get all the songs by
the pictures on the Awake cover. Well, I found "Metropolis" off to the left.
Also, I just got the Majesty demos and InstruMENTALs I & II. After
years of trying to find the '86 demos, I finally found them. Now I can
sleep well at night. . .
(HEY, I just gave some DT content. . .wow, do I win a prize??) :)
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= ANDREW =
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:04:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1375
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603281621.A9679-0100000@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Since we're on the subject of Mr. Big, however the hell that happened,
who here likes or even liked White Lion. I know - (*cheese*) but if
anything, Vito Bratta kicks ass! Flame away!
Charlie
(The ytse-rookie)
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:07:36 -0500
From: "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACOS Snare sound
Message-ID: <1.5.4b13.32.19960328220736.0067495c@qlink.queensu.ca>
On Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:37:20 esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)wrote:
>This has been discussed before, but it's funny how the drummers seem to
>like the ACOS snare whereas the guitarists like the I&W snare. The Awake
>snare is somewhere in between, maybe appealing to bassists. ;-) However I
>think the reason that guitarists don't like the ACOS snare is cause it's so
>high and poppy that it cuts through their high squeely diddly-piss solo,
>thus taking the spotlight off them, and doing their ego absolutely no
>good!!! hehe - flame away!
I'm a drummer and I don't like the snare sound on ACOS. I think Mike is
falling into a trend in getting one of those annoying piccalo snare drums.
I think there is a bit of novelty (as a drummer) experienced when you play
one of these because they sound so different from a normal 5 1/2" to 6 1/2"
snare. They really cut through the mix. I wouldn't buy one though, it
would just get annoying after a while.
P.S. It could be worse: have you heard the snare sound on Our Lady Peace's
_Naveed_? Ugh! A truly awful CHEAP steel snare drum.
Later,
Lugie.
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:31:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DMB
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960328162813.7725B-100000@bdmserver>
I know a few jammers are DMB (Dave Matthews Band) fans as well. Has
anyone heard the new song Too Much? This song just sounds wierd. I hope
the other songs are a ton better.
A lot of people may say DMB is just some lame alternative band. I
disagree. THey fall in the category of very talented musicians. Their
studio albums take so much away from their live show. Dave's voice takes
a lot to get used to. The music though rocks. I only got into DMB since
my girlfriend loves them.
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com ****
**** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater ****
**** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ****
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:19:21 GMT
From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hades
Message-ID: <199603282219.WAA07213@pipe14.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
>From the digest I steal:
>Today's Topics:
1. Hades. A week or so ago I posted about how
I had sent a check to Black Pumkin Records for
the new Hades disc about three or four months
ago and they had cashed it, but no cd. Anyway,
yesterday, what did I find in my mailbox? THE
NEW HADES!!! Now, that may not excite many
of you, but I know there are at least a few list
members (some choose to call them "jammers"
but I think that sounds lame) that are fans of
Hades. The disc sounds really good, and I
recommend it to anyone who liked Hades or
Non-Fiction or, I guess, anyone who liked the
singer from Watchtower, because Alan Tecchio
also sings for Hades. Much better than his
performance on "Control and Resistance."
If anyone wants the address for a copy (15
dollars, who knows when you will get it...)
e-mail me.
2. Nothing even remotely DT related. Sorry.
-- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:03:23 -0600 (CST) From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Al Message-ID: <01I2VFMZHBXY00O2ZE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Date sent: 28-MAR-1996 12:58:05
Does anyone else agree that maybe, just maybe, Alan Adler shouldn't be on the Jam if he only wants to discuss DT? Sorry, dude - we don't operate that way! We find an issue, band, or person and rip it to shreds. I should know - I've been on both sides.
Anyone wanna argue religion again?
________________________________________________________________________________ Debbie Seeger University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh seeged73@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu Music Major (Recording Technology Emphasis) ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:36:34 -0600 From: cfh@galaxy.galstar.com (Hebertson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis? Mailing list Message-ID: <v01540b03ad80721f439b@[204.251.82.192]>
How does that mailing list work... What type of posts do you recieve.. Thanks
------------------- Chris Hebertson cfh@galstar.com http://www.galstar.com/~cfh/ "The way your heart beats makes all difference - In Learning to Live." - Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:52:29 -0600 (CST) From: kozmas@Meena.CC.URegina.CA To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: many things Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960328162944.5151468B-100000@Meena.CC.URegina.CA>
Hey everybody in Ytse-land,
I want to say that to anyone who thinks that this should be a DT-only 'Jam in terms of content should really be open to people's opinions on other bands. Granted, DT is by far the greatest band of all time, but I listen to a WIDE variety of music. Whether it be Bach, DT, Biohazard or anything else, it deserves an open mind and that's what I think is a part of the whole "progressive" scene, not how many time changes are in the music or how eloquently the lyrics are written.
To the guy who talked about his CDs: I think a lot of those are cool, too. The one thing I must absolutely recommend is "Gutter Ballet" from Savatage, it is amazing from a prog point of view or any other.
Ytse-Koz (Stephen Kozma)
"Find all you need in your mind if you take the time."
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