YTSEJAM Digest 1388
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/31/96 - 10:40:00" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Dream Theatre
by 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu>
3) DT'S NEW PRODUCER!!!!
by Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be>
4) RE:DT's popularity outside the US
by xanadu <xanadu@nik.publishnet.nl>
5) Re: huh
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
6) Re: Physics!!!
by greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee)
7) Mike and John's clinic in Milan!!
by fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani)
8) Physics...
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
9) DoomII
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1387
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
13) MP's HOT STICKS
by ahs110@psu.edu (Amit Shah)
14) Re: brass dreams
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
15) "asdf" (WWW generated email)
by Andrew Williamson <Andrew-Williamson@uiowa.edu>
16) Pull Me Under/Hamlet
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
17) Acoustic
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
18) Re: DT'S NEW PRODUCER!!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
19) Metropolis Mailing List!!!!!
by cfh@galaxy.galstar.com (Hebertson)
20) School is out and the Spanish ain't easy
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
21) Urgh!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 04:38:44 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/31/96 - 10:40:00" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 02:41:02 -0800 (PST)
From: 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theatre
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960331023351.7689A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hey jammers:
I was at the bookstore today and I saw this book in the
psychology section that caught my eye. It was called Dream Theatres of
the Soul. It is a book about dreams, but I figured some of you would be
interested since after all the title does say Dream Theatre. :) In case
any of you are interested in finding this book, the authors name is Jean
Raffa. Later.
-Scott
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 96 13:55:00 NFT
From: Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: "ytsajam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT'S NEW PRODUCER!!!!
Message-ID: <315E80E1@econmsmail.kuleuven.ac.be>
Hi jammers,
I can unofficially announce that Mr. Peter Collins (Rush and Queensryche)
will produce the next DT album!!!! Great!
I really like his work on Empire (QR), Hold your Fire, Power windows and
Counterparts (Rush). If Peter Collins can manage to sound Portnoy's snare
like the snare on Empire I guess no one will complain anymore : )
(However I really like the snare on I&W, while I'm a drummer).
Wessel Marquering
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:48:18 +0100
From: xanadu <xanadu@nik.publishnet.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE:DT's popularity outside the US
Message-ID: <315E7F12.5F9F@publishnet.nl>
>There's been a bit of talk about DT becoming more popular, getting more
>airplay and exposure, etc. This made me wonder about their popularity
>outside the US. I know that Europe is has a great selection of prog.
>bands, but was wondering why this is the case. Do they get more radio
>play, or what? Any comments from out European 'jammers? The same is
>true for DT in the Far East. Could I go to Japan, flip on the radio or
>TV and catch DT, or other prog. bands? Any comments or contributions on
>the subject?
Well I'm from europe (holland actally) and I've heard DT once on the radio here
('Another Day' of course) in a program that was taken off the air because the lady
who presented it played to much heavy stuff ('Another Day' right!) in her show. So
the popularity of prog. is definitly NOT due to radio play!
American band very often state that european fans are more loyal to bands and less
subject to trends and stuff. Sadly enough I think this is changing big time. DT is
very popular here, concerts usually sold out in a couple of hours. A reason for
the popularity of prog bands in holland might be that dutch people are usually
rather obstinate and like obstinate people. Prog band are often made up
off obstinate people (DT surely is) so there might be a connection there.
Im a talking nonsense? Flame me all you want, I'm cold anyway!
-- "The willow knows what the storm does not: that the power to endure harm outlives the power to inflict it."The Ice Man (Mirko) & The Dragon Lady (Hilda) http://www.publishnet.nl/~xanadu/
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 09:46:09 -0400 From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: huh Message-ID: <315E8CA1.1DA1@caribe.net>
kurt@fgallery.com wrote: > > Um..pardon my ignorance..what is XWindows? > i have win95 <grin> can i get that majesty symbol pointer thingie?
XWindows is Unix's version of DOS's Windows 3.1. It is totally different from Win 3.1 (i.e. it's not a copy, that's just an analogy.) So no, you probably can't use thet majesty symbol pointer thingie. I don't know much about XWindows, but I'm assuming the cursor is used for the Unix windows, right? There's no way that I know of to change cursors in DOS, and if there was, I doubt you could use a UNIX cursor.
Later, -DMC-
--
Daniel McCormack emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 09:49:56 -0500 From: greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Physics!!! Message-ID: <9603311449.AA26443@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
"Dr. Teeth" wrote:
"The physics classes I've taken have finally panned out! Sorry man, but that's not quite right. Amplitude is independent of frequency. Meaning, the harder you hit a drum, a tuning fork, a guitar string or anything else, the louder it's going to be, but it's still going to give you the same pitch. It's just going to be louder. Whack a tuning fork hard and you get whatever pitch it is. Just tap it and it's the same pitch, just a lot softer. The same holds true for a drum head."
Yes...you are correct sir! However, the musical psychology class I took a few years back when I was in school (what a bird course!) says that we tend to perceive amplitude as a modifier of pitch. It is proven that more amplitude fools the untrained listener to believe the pitch is higher than the same note played quieter.
I guess Mr. Brian Wherry suffers from this problem...
Greg, the dude from Toronto who occasionally has something to say, and thinks White Lion would have lasted if their singer wasn't a pouty little whiner! I hated his style.
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:17:54 +0200 From: fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike and John's clinic in Milan!! Message-ID: <199603311417.QAA24205@ns.pianeta.it>
Hello everybody!!
Yesterday I went in Milan to see Mike and John's clinic, and it was REALLY WONDERFUL!! It was their last date, I think, and one of the few they did together, so I had the privilege of seeing them onstage together!
They started jamming together with an Italian bassist, who was really cool, and did some nice job. They started jamming on Little Wing by Jimi Hendriks, then they started some great rock-funky jam. Both John and Mike had the chance to show their abilities and the result was truly awesome. Then Mike had its clinic. He kept the spoken lesson quite short, as there were about 400 people and not all of them were drummers. He explained some of his fills and played Erotomania with a DAT, the middle part of Metropolis (just the drum part), he played along with a drum machine, he played an incredible solo, and he played Raise the Knife. He played along with an instrumental DAT with no vocals, but I liked the song very much. I can't wait for the new album...
Then John came; he explained some exercises and played along with a sequencer, doing some really beautiful solos, including the Etude from Chopin, that really took my breath away! (I play the piano, so.... how does he do that?!) Then John played along with another new song, that was very different from Raise the Knife. It was about 6 minutes long, but it was quite ear-friendly, easy to listen to, with a catchy chorus that said something like "Where are you going"; I think it would be quite a radio-friendly tune, also because it's not as complicated as most of DT's song. I liked that very much.
The only thing about those two new songs, the keyboards were very low and sometimes I didn't even hear them; and absolutely no key solos. Was it connected with the DAT mixing, or was it that Derek wants to remain in the mix? Someone told me that yesterday John (or Mike?) said that the main difference between Kevin and Derek was that Derek liked to play more accompaniment parts rather than soloing. I hope this isn't true, because I play keyboards, and of course I like hearing keyboards! Anyone who has heard some new demos know more?
Finally they went back on stage and did another great jam, and then I managed to have John's photograph signed!
Sorry for the long post, but I'm still excited!!
Fabio
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 11:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: DT List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Physics... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603311131.C187856-0100000@acs5.bu.edu>
Ok, drum head physical non-believers, pretend you have a long, thin drum head -- we'll call it a "string." Ok? Tie that string pretty tightly between two fixed points. Ok? Now bang on the string with a drum stick, or pluck it with a pick or something. Whoa! That string is shaking all over the place! Now, pluck the string again, but MUCH harder than the first time. The string will be vibrating with much greater amplitude, yes, but at the instant the string was plucked this time, the tension in the string was increased, thus increasing the pitch of the note produced. If any of you guitarists have tuners, you know that if you pick a note really hard, it's a little sharper than the "same note" picked at a regular velocity. Yes, this pitch increase is tiny, and it only really occurs at the instant of excitation of the string (or drum head, or whatever oscillating medium....). That's why I was wondering how Larry could recognize the pitch of the snare drum, yet not any differences thereof. I was kinda kidding, anyway.
I'm a lover, not a fighter.
Brian
ps- I still think it's silly to call someone self-indulgent because of the way that person's snare drum sounds. So is Cindy Crawford self-indulgent because of that mole? Ok, I'll stop..... :)
pps- No, I didn't actually strike another creature because of its self-indulgentness. I just dealt with it. :)
\o/ --==Brian Wherry==-- o | --==bwherry@acs.bu.edu==-- /|\ / \ "Do. Or do not. There is no try." -Yoda / \
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 09:51:36 -0700 (MST) From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DoomII Message-ID: <9603311651.AA173034@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hey there, This message is to the guy who made the DT Doom][ wad. I'm sorry, I forgot your name. I just got around to unzipping it (I know, it was weeks ago that you sent it, but I'm a busy guy), and I can't seem to find your instructions for running it. Could you e-mail me a hand (personal e-mail is preferred, since I often just skim the 'jam for reasons I won't go into)? Thank you much.
Slainte, Bracken
"Behold the superfluous...! They vomit their gall and call it a newspaper." Nietzsche -Thus Spoke Zarathustra-
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:46:33 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960331124346.5280B-100000@shamu>
this is response to ernie@mail.pananet.com:
TOWHTSTS Is about the Death of Spock,
I read it in an interview with Mike Portnoy, in an underground zine...
If anyone with WEB pages would like me to type this up and e-mail it to you, I will.
Sinista [no .sig it takes up too much space]
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:55:41 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960331125121.5280C-100000@shamu>
I went to Best Buy to day, and saw that they had (10) ** T E N **!!!!!!! copies of WDADU!! sorta different packaging tho, the front seems to be the same photo, ( a little brighter IMO ) and the back cover has photos of the "Boyz" instead of the blown up portion of the front.. I was gonna get one just to have it and to see if it was digitally cleaned up at all, but I didnt does anyone have the (USA) re-release of WDADU, and does it sound any better than the original????
Sinista Jeff Olson
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:35:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1387 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960331133117.5280E-100000@shamu>
Hmmm... Moo Cow inside joke from LiT ytsejam thread with Anthrax Mad Cow disease in Europe
Coincidence I think NOT!
Sinista
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:47:28 -0500 From: ahs110@psu.edu (Amit Shah) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP's HOT STICKS Message-ID: <199603311947.TAA160622@r05n01.cac.psu.edu>
>Does Portnoy really use purple Hot Sticks? I've heard from drummers >everywhere that they're crap. Is this true? > > >"JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN WA WA" > --Ernesto Schnack > > >Bafu Vai > Yes Portnoy does use purple Hot Sticks... I use to play with Hot Stix too.. when i started playing drums in 5th grade! they are pretty shitty compared to the wide range of drumsticks out there, but they look pretty cool..
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- When it hurts, when it hurts inside. Why can't you see it's only you he's thinking of. Whoever told you it was your right to be alive? If your heart is breaking, you're just lucky to be in love.
from "The Moose Song" by Big Head Todd & the Monsters ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Amit Shah ahs110@psu.edu Pennsylvania State University
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:08:07 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: brass dreams Message-ID: <315EE627.38F@mo.net>
> This is pretty wierd, but the other night I had the strangest > dream. My best friend and I were at a Dream Theater concert and we were > in the front row. When Dream Theater came out every one went crazy and > then they broke out like a tuba, trombone and trumpet and proceeded to > play a big band version of one of their songs! It was really wierd. THen > after the song was over, I told Mike Portnoy how cool it was and he shook > my hand. Totally bizarre. Well, later. Oh, man, what I wouldn't give to see that! Wow, a DT arrangement that would make Count Basie proud :-). I just wish I had (or remembered) dreams as cool as this. Anyway, I better go so I can break out my trombone and work on Metropolis. Catch y'all later. God bless.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:25:07 -0500 From: Andrew Williamson <Andrew-Williamson@uiowa.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "asdf" (WWW generated email) Message-ID: <199603312025.PAA14299@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
"subscribe ytsejam Andrew Williamson"
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:28:11 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pull Me Under/Hamlet Message-ID: <315EEADB.7E4@mo.net>
I posted a question regarding the lyrics to PMU and how they sort of go along with the story of Hamlet. Well, I am still wondering if anybody knows about this. I have missed a number of 'jams, so I may have missed any response there. If any of you have an answer, please respond to me privately (well, go ahead and out it in the 'jam, but I might miss it there, so let me know privately as well). Thanks a lot. God bless.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:29:00 -0600 (CST) From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Acoustic Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960331151116.26025A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
> aggresively on locked-tremolo guitars. Or acoustics. (bleah!) Likewise, I > wouldn't expect a strictly-acoustic guitar player to play with as much > control or intricacy as someone like Joe Satriani.
Um, excuse me? I think you should hear some Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, Paco DeLucia (Check out Friday Night in San Francisco), Assad Brothers, and Andres Segovia. Unless you're talking about a strictly acoustic player going electric. Even then, the transition is not that difficult. And your "bleah!" reference? I take it you don't like acoustics. Granted, they usually don't sound good with distortion, but that's really not what they're for anyway.
> Oh, and Steffen, the acoustic guitar is not the same thing as an electric > guitar. They both have six strings and a neck, but please don't confuse > skill on one with skill on another. I've never met Kevin Moore, but I'll > bet I can type faster on this here keyboard than him, even though he plays > keyboards for a living. > > Bafu Vai Well, the fundamentals are really the same between acoustic and electric. If you know how to play one, then you know how to play the other. Even though they might feel different the skills for playing each is the same. However, a typing keyboard and a synth keyboard require different skills for their use. I think of acoustics and electrics like a glass of iced tea and a glass of Pepsi. They both do the same thing (quench your thirst) and involve the same physical process (swallowing, digesting) even though they taste different.
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:09:15 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.tlh.fl.us> To: Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be> Subject: Re: DT'S NEW PRODUCER!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960331170858.5231B-100000@fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us>
Whoa we might Actually HEAR the Bass this time around if this is true!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :)
"Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke)
Eric Moegling: afn22909@freenet.ufl.edu
emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu
NEW HOMEPAGE!!!! http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN
fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:23:07 -0600 From: cfh@galaxy.galstar.com (Hebertson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis Mailing List!!!!! Message-ID: <v01540b08ad84620ae12f@[204.251.82.192]>
Anyone else, a member of this.... What is it? How often do you hear from it? - Thanks
------------------- Chris Hebertson cfh@galstar.com http://www.galstar.com/~cfh/ "The way your heart beats makes all difference - In Learning to Live." - Dream Theater
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:38:01 GMT From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: School is out and the Spanish ain't easy Message-ID: <199603312338.XAA29757@pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
On Mar 30, 1996 14:41:57, 'Ripzero' wrote: > >un problemo - donde esta mi vacas? dicen que MOO! I think this must have been done to spite the progress I thought I had made in teaching the Ytsejam Spanish. I give up. "Where is my cows?" El problema es que ninguna vaca tuya habla Ingles. Oh well. What does this have to do with anything? Nothing. I just like to post messages with no DTC. "It's mine by inheritance and no one can take it away - There's nothing that no one can do." Must be a German metal band. Can you guess who? Do you care? I love double negatives, don't you? 58 and counting. -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:16:52 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Urgh! Message-ID: <199604010016.RAA08160@maple.enet.net>
Mistaken DT lyrics:
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