YTSEJAM Digest 1389
Today's Topics:
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2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/01/96 - 01:46:33" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) New Producer!
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
4) Re: fingerstyle bass and megadeth
by blane@nla.gov.au
5) Mistaken DT Lyrics
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1388
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
7) IRC jammers beware!!!
by cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve Cohen)
8) The Answer
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
9) "...not"
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
10) TOWHTSTS
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
11) Anagramz & Jam Master Jay
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
12) Misteak!
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) Misteak!
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) WARNING!!:NO DTC!!!
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
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Heh heh....g'bye!
Ben Laussade
Favorite Song of the Week: Island in the Stream
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:45:16 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/01/96 - 01:46:33" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:21:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Producer!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960331201918.95334B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Great choice. Peter Collins is a pretty big name. He did the last
Bon Jovi album too. He's got a great ear.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:37:11 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: fingerstyle bass and megadeth
Message-ID: <199604010143.LAA24594@email.nla.gov.au>
Hiya Jammers,
The argument about finger style is a not one of speed dudes. I
play with 2 fingers, 3 fingers or a pick depending upon sound,
beat, tempo, timing etc. Personally I feel that each style has its
advantages and disadvantages, and players shouldn't restrict
themselves to just one. (I'd luv to hear JM slap in a few places).
Brett
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:59:09 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mistaken DT Lyrics
Message-ID: <199604010159.SAA10218@maple.enet.net>
>Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:16:52 -0700
>From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Urgh!
>Message-ID: <199604010016.RAA08160@maple.enet.net>
>
>Mistaken DT lyrics:
>
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This is starting to piss me OFF! I keep trying to send in:
Mistaken DT lyrics:
This from Learning to Live:
"Aye human, need is sent voice...."
"I hear an innocent voice..."
This from Innocence Faded:
"Bly waaa fooo bweee...gwen flaw pwee jee bot fwee Wwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaeyyyyeah"
"Condescending.....Not intending to end."
This from Sacrred:
"My soul exposed, it calms me to know vat of waaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrts."
"My soul exposed, it calms me to know that I won't."
"Here for me there for me red underwear for me..."
"People in prayer for me everyone there for me..."
This from Lifting Shadows off a Dream:
"The chair of winter's darkness sits quietly."
" chill "
Heh heh....g'bye!
But it always ends up as:
Mistaken DT Lyrics:
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On the Jam. Urgh!
Ben Laussade
Favorite Song of the Week: Island in the Stream
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:22:29 -0800
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1388
Message-ID: <315F6815.2434@ee.net>
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> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 09:51:36 -0700 (MST)
> From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: DoomII
> Message-ID: <9603311651.AA173034@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
> Hey there,
> This message is to the guy who made the DT Doom][ wad. I'm
> sorry, I forgot your name. I just got around to unzipping it (I know,
> it was weeks ago that you sent it, but I'm a busy guy), and I can't seem
> to find your instructions for running it. Could you e-mail me a hand
> (personal e-mail is preferred, since I often just skim the 'jam for
> reasons I won't go into)? Thank you much.
>
> Slainte,
> Bracken
>
I'm the guy you're looking for:)
Just go to this web page and you'll find answers:
Unfortunately, I'm a busy guy to and I've run out of time to personally email everyone
with questions about levels (i have more out there than just DT.WAD), but I will
eventually send you a personal email on it. You'll find what you need to know at that
site though...I wish I'd had the page up and running when the level came out, since I
ended up manually emailing over 200 copies of the level! Hey, it's all for the love of
DT!!!!!!!!!!
Dave
buster@ee.net
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:27:07 -0500
From: cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve Cohen)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IRC jammers beware!!!
Message-ID: <199604010227.VAA09417@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Hi all, this is my first post in more than a year, so here goes. To all IRC
jammers: I have started putting together a web page for all of you. If you
want to be included, send me a picture, and what you want me to say about
you. If you don't want to be included, email me as well. I don't actually
want a real picture, so if they are pre-scanned, that would be very cool. I
already have pictures of Paul (Pellaz) DaBigman, D-Man, Gabbo, rockin, and
Ben Laussade. I can get pictures of Rachel (wisha) and Jeff Chew from web
pages, but if these aren't what you want, feel free to send me your new
pics. I would really really like pictures of Heath and Damon, but that's
probably not gonna happen. So, if any IRC jammer wants to be a part of my
new web page, then just mail me your pic and a description. That is all.
Dream Theater Content: I would die for Dream Theater, and if anyone spells
it Theatre, they'll be hearing from Bob Dole's Wooden Arm (tm).
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* "You can deviate from the commonplace only to fall back in line." *
* -Dream Theater *
* "Orthodoxy means not thinking-not needing to think. Orthodoxy is *
* unconscoiusness" -George Orwell, 1984 *
* "Prayer has no place in school, just like fact has no place in *
* organized religion"- Principal Skinner on "The Simpsons" *
* "All sweeping generalizations are bad" -Me *
* RUSH_DREAM THEATER_EXTREME_YES_QUEENSRYCHE <- The Music *
* Cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu <-The Man-> cohen.132@osu.edu *
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 96 18:27:18 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Answer
Message-ID: <9604010227.AA28983@tengs1>
From: Mike Yassa <sgy@orbonline.net>
Subject: The Answer
I've been thinking about the sparse popularity of DT (a depressing
subject) and the immense popularity of (ack) Alternative music. Being in
Toronto, there isn't a big support for DT, (at least not that I know of,
correct me if I'm wrong), yet bands like Oasis and Green Day have droves of
fans. It seems to me that the simpler the band while still trying to keep
some slight vestige of a tune, the more popular. Now as we all know DT isn't
exactly what you would call simple. Whenever I play it for my friends, they
think it's utter crap.
After hearing so much of it, I'm actually starting to like
one or two GD songs (I liked White Lion, too). Regarding your
other point, there's a lot of stuff that I love now that, while
I didn't think it was crap, I refused to take the time to listen
to a few years ago. I remember not being able to get past
"Revolution Calling" when I first heard it years back. On the
2 hour drive back from the mountains today, I had the two recent
Death albums and Cynic's _Focus_ in the playre (alt. spelling).
I fail to understand how anyone could like Oasis though.
Zach
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 96 18:27:42 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "...not"
Message-ID: <9604010227.AA28986@tengs1>
> From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Anthrax
>
> The whole "Not" thing that Wayne's World stole from Bill & Ted?
> Anthrax.
Whoah. Someone else remembers this song.
They might've stolen it from me. I used to say this all
the time when I was younger (early 80s). After Wayne's
World came out, I told this to a friend of mine who used
to ridicule me about it. Somehow, I'd found an old
short fiction story that I did that had one of the
characters saying "...not" in that context (slightly
different context than in WW, but the concept was the
same). Sometimes, I make him apologize to me to this day
for doubting my veracity. Perhaps, my subconscious (DTC)
stole it from old SNL...
Zach
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 96 18:27:47 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TOWHTSTS
Message-ID: <9604010227.AA28989@tengs1>
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
Subject: TOWHTSTS
I don't know if this topic has ever been brought up b4... but does anybody
any idea of what TOWHTSTS is about? My interpretation is that it's this guy
who goes to see his girl, and he finds her doing da nasty w/ another guy...
however the chorus doesn't seem to fit anywhere in this interpretation so
I'm most probably wrong...
Wasn't the former title to this song "The Death of Spock"?
If it is, I don't see the relation. I'll reread the lyrics
when I get home.
Zach
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:50:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Anagramz & Jam Master Jay
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960331183905.116317C-100000@homer26.u.washington.edu>
> From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
> Subject: Self-Indulgent Giraffes
>
> Um, Bafu? When I said "courtesy the Main Sanitary Nag" I was giving
> credit to the Main Sanitary Nag for those anagrams. Did I say anywhere
> that I made them up? NO! Would I mention the Main Sanitary Nag if I DID
> make them up? NO! Why, if you don't stop bothering me,
> I'll.....I'll.....I'll HURT
> your FEELINGS!
That instant list of Ernesto's names wasn't the first time you had ever
posted anagrams. It WAS the first time you mentioned the anagram
generator.
(required smiley burned alive)
---- > From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1385 > > Firstly, I am going to wager that Anthrax got the thole not thing from a > Run/DMC song. If anybody ever heard the King of rock, in the beginning > of the song, there's this sample of them just saying not. It happens to > fall on a drum hit. This is the same Not used in the I am the Man song. > If you haven't noticed, the famous Sam Kineson scream is in that song as > well as a sample from aMaster Of Puppets from Metalica, and lord knows > what else.Hey, Run/DMC isn't a progressive band. Stop posting about them. Thank you.
"I'm the King Of Rock, there is none hiyah (higher) Sucka MC's should call me siyah (sire) To burn my kingdom, ya muss-use fiyah (fire) I won't stop rockin' till I re-tiyah! (retire)"
Not to be confused with the one Damon meant:
"Born to rock around the CLOCK You can't say I'm NOT And in case you FORGOT I'm the kiiiiiiing...OF ROCK!!"
Both of them with the words "King Of Rock" in the opening prose. How confusing.
You like-a da Run/DMC? Run/DMC gooood, ah? I get you more Run/DMC. Wait, wassa matta? You no like-a da Run/DMC? Run/DMC no good, ah? Eh, go rape a bull...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Misteak! Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960331185022.116317D-100000@homer26.u.washington.edu>
(aha, another cow-reference. sinista was right.)
> From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> > Subject: Acoustic > > > aggresively on locked-tremolo guitars. Or acoustics. (bleah!) > > Likewise, I wouldn't expect a strictly-acoustic guitar player to play > > with as much control or intricacy as someone like Joe Satriani. > > Um, excuse me? I think you should hear some Al DiMeola, John > McLaughlin, Paco DeLucia (Check out Friday Night in San Francisco), > Assad Brothers, and Andres Segovia. Unless you're talking about a > strictly acoustic player going electric. Even then, the transition is > not that difficult.
Whoahwhoahwhoah, I left out an important part on the end of my sentence there. I did mean what you mentioned, something like a strictly acoustic player suddenly being handed an Ibanez set up for Satch's playing, delicate tremolo and all, strung with something like .009's.
I wouldn't expect anyone who played only acoustic, where the minimum string-gauge is around .012's, to be able to play any electric as usual (that means without changing their style), strung with .009's, without breaking something...LIKE A STRING. (Maybe Michael Hedges switches to .008's when I'm not looking.) I didn't mean that acoustic players can't be as fluid as electric players.
(I have a friend who strings his acoustic with .014's. I have a liking problem with that practice. He played my Ironbird once, with .009's strung 0J8u\qz-fx\Tb8:8cVon, and promptly snapped the A after about five minutes 6with his furiously violent picking and bending.)
> And your "bleah!" reference? I take it you don't like acoustics. > Granted, they usually don't sound good with distortion, but that's > really not what they're for anyway.
No, I didn't mean an acoustic played with distortion. I've never heard an electric-acoustic with a distortion channel on. I meant that I simply dislike playing the acoustic guitar. One of the reasons I don't tell people what instrument I play is that everyone confuses acoustics with electrics and thinks they're the same, so they hand me their acoustic and ask me to play. (I can do a mean "Holehearted" if the barrel is far enough down my throat, but otherwise I don't play the acoustic guitar.) Everyone has an acoustic. Except me. And everyone who has an acoustic, which is everyone except me, seems to want to hear acoustic guitar music all the time. Hence they ask every musician in the room to play something, even the strictly electric-guitar players. Strange how no one ever happens to have an electric guitar laying around.
"Here, this is my Charvelle. Let me hear you shred."
> Well, the fundamentals are really the same between acoustic and > electric. If you know how to play one, then you know how to play the > other.
Heh, yes my skill in hand-tandem is still there. I can pick with one hand and fret with the other simultaneously. And that's about it. Knowing a classical piece on an acoustic doesn't always translate well to something plugged into a BOSS HM-2, and knowing how to play "Take The Time" on your JPM-100 doesn't mean you can make the piece sound good with an acoustic strung with .013's.
> Even though they might feel different the skills for playing each is the > same.
I can't agree. In fact, I disagree. Using half of your strength is more a skill than using all of your strength. Try playing your favorite licks at half speed, or just try slowing them down. Slow arpeggios aren't all that easy to do smoothly if all you've ever done is lightning-fast arpeggios.
> However, a typing keyboard and a synth keyboard require different skills > for their use.
That was a joke about how I view people lumping acoustic guitars with electric guitars. They both have necks and strings, but you might as well assume that all electric-guitar players can also play the cello and violin with amazing dexterity and precision.
> I think of acoustics and electrics like a glass of iced tea and a glass > of Pepsi. They both do the same thing (quench your thirst) and involve > the same physical process (swallowing, digesting) even though they taste > different. > > TTFN- Sean
According to the circle of fifths, Pepsi doesn't exist. Pepsi is not a progressive band. Please stop writing about them. Thank you.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:43:03 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Misteak! Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960331192253.118644B-100000@homer06.u.washington.edu>
(aha. another cow-reference. sinista was right.)
---- > From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> > Subject: Acoustic > > > aggresively on locked-tremolo guitars. Or acoustics. (bleah!) > > Likewise, I wouldn't expect a strictly-acoustic guitar player to play > > with as much control or intricacy as someone like Joe Satriani. > > Um, excuse me? I think you should hear some Al DiMeola, John > McLaughlin, Paco DeLucia (Check out Friday Night in San Francisco), > Assad Brothers, and Andres Segovia. Unless you're talking about a > strictly acoustic player going electric. Even then, the transition is > not that difficult.
Whoahwhoahwhoah, I left out an important part on the end of my sentence there. I did mean what you mentioned, something like a strictly acoustic player suddenly being handed an Ibanez set up for Satch's playing, delicate tremolo and all, strung with something like .009's. I wouldn't expect anyone who played only acoustic, where the minimum string-gauge is around .012's, to be able to play an electric as usual (that means withuot changing their style), strung with .009's, without breaking something... LIKE A STRING. (Maybe Michael Hedges switches to .008's when I'm not looking.) I didn't mean that acoustic players can't be as fluid as electric players.
(I have a friend who strings his acoustics with .014's. I have a liking problem with that practice. He played my Ironbird once, with .009's strung on, and propmtly snapped the A with his furiously violent picking and bending.)
> And your "bleah!" reference? I take it you don't like acoustics. > Granted, they usually don't sound good with distortion, but that's > really not what they're for anyway.
No, I didn't mean an acoustic played with distortion. I've never heard an electric-acoustic with a distortion channel on. I meant that I simply dislike playing the acoustic guitar. One of the reasons I don't tell people what instrument I play is that everyone confuses acoustics with electrics and thinks they're the same, so they hand me their acoustic and ask me to play. (I can do a mean "Holehearted" if the barrel is far enough down my throat, but otherwise I don't play the acoustic guitar.) Everyone has an acoustic. Except me. And everyone who has an acoustic, which is everyone except me, seems to want to hear acoustic guitar music all the time. Hence they ask every musician in the room to play something, even the strictly-electric guitar players. Strange how no one ever happens to have an electric guitar laying around.
"Here, this is my Charvelle. Let me hear you shred."
> Well, the fundamentals are really the same between acoustic and > electric. If you know how to play one, then you know how to play the > other.
Heh, yes my skill in hand-tandem is still there. I can pick with one hand and fret with the other simultaneously. And that's about it. Knowing a classical piece on an acoustic doesn't always translate well to something plugged into a BOSS HM-2, and knowing how to play "Take The Time" on your JPM-100 doesn't mean you can make the piece sound good with an acoustic strung with .013's.
> Even though they might feel different the skills for playing each is > the same.
I can't agree. In fact, I disagree. Using half of your strength is more a skill than using all of your strength. Try playing your favorite lick at half-speed, or just try slowing it down. Slow arpeggios aren't all that easy to do smoothly if all you've ever done is lightning-fast arpeggios.
> However, a typing keyboard and a synth keyboard require different skills > for their use.
That was a joke about how I view people lumping acoustic guitars with electric guitars. "They're both guitars, right? So then they're both the same." WRONG! They both have necks and strings, and that's where the similarities involving playing the two end. My ability on the electric guitar carries over to the acoustic about as much as a synth player's skills automatically transfer over to a harpsichord.
> I think of acoustics and electrics like a glass of iced tea and a glass > of Pepsi. They both do the same thing (quench your thirst) and involve > the same physical process (swallowing, digesting) even though they taste > different. > > TTFN- Sean
According to the circle of firfths, Pepsi doesn't exist. Pepsi is ot a progressive band. Please stop writing about them. Thank you.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:08:44 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WARNING!!:NO DTC!!! Message-ID: <19960401070843.AAA23846@mail.pananet.com>
Has anybody heard of a band called Angra? I saw them on Headbanger's (we get it in Latin MTV :p) Anyways I thought it kicked major ass- it had some neo-classical tendencies...
>un problemo - donde esta mi vacas? dicen que MOO! > un problema- donde estan mis vacas? dicen MOO!!:)
actualy Panamanian cows say more of a MUAWWWW!! because they're so skinny...
> > >No no no. Just like everything else that is cool and "in," Scott Ian of >Anthrax started this trend and receives no credit for it. The whole >"Not" thing that Wayne's World stole from Bill & Ted? Anthrax. Shaved >melons? Anthrax. Heavy metal guys with anything resembling short hair? >Anthrax. Heavy metal that's funny and fun to listen to? That brings you >up rather than down? Anthrax. Metal guys in skater gear? Anthrax. >Shall I go on? >
I had actually though about Charlie Benante having done it, but for some strange reason, I completely forget that Scott had hair...
Now we're Anthrax and we take no (sample covering the word 'shit')
Hey I just saw Elizabeth Berkely on 'Step by Step'... was she the chic that used to be in 'Saved By the Bell' wow how ironic... from high-school brat to lap-dancer...
sorry for the lack of DTC... although there could be if I made a SbtB sketch based on DT's members...unfortunately I'm not that creative... maybe Mr. Inf... never mind:)
Besides... I live in Panama. We don't have any TV's here ;)
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================|
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