YTSEJAM Digest 1386
Today's Topics:
1) Various vicariances.....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
2) Mr. Big, Producing, Videos, Drums
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
3) Acoustic Dreams
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com>
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/30/96 - 22:58:06" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) huh
by kurt@fgallery.com
6) steve digiorgio
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
7) Metal Edge
by mawyatt@ix.netcom.com (Michael A. Wyatt )
8) Long Hair
by mawyatt@ix.netcom.com (Michael A. Wyatt )
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1384
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
10) Satch
by DreamNDay@aol.com
11) Asdf
by DreamNDay@aol.com
12) Overkill
by DreamNDay@aol.com
13) trading
by DreamNDay@aol.com
14) Nirvana people
by DreamNDay@aol.com
15) Pro-Pain
by DreamNDay@aol.com
16) Subject (No DTC)
by Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@compuserve.com>
17) Giraffe Masturbation
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
18) Anthrax, White Lion, Physics
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:31:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Various vicariances.....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960330171524.11574C-100000@stargate.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Don't ask, it was on my Evolution exam, and I didn't know either.....
1) Showing my ignorance:
What exactly is a soundboard (and keep it as non-technical as
possible or you'll see this question again next week)?
2) To the guy expecting flames for calling I&W out-of-control, or
something like that: I&W is my all-time #1 favorite album, and I think
that sorta-out-of-controlness is a big part why....
3) Next Album speculation: Need a bit of help here:
I am NOT expecting much out of this next album....would anyone care to
explain to me WHY that is? Because I really don't know. For some
reason, I'm extremely pessimistic about whether or not I'll 'really'
(whatever that means) enjoy the upcoming effort....it's not because I'm
worried about the DS effect (Sherinian), nor am I worried about
commercialization....just an over-all low expectancy.....any help
appreciated.
4) "I just don't grok with all the political posing."--Cool, a
Heinlein reference....I started reading this guy because he had books
titled "Stranger in a Strange Land" and "Starship Troopers".
5) "Hail to the victors....!" University of Michigan: 1996 NCAA Hockey
Champions!
Partha Mukhopadhyay
"Don't ask me, I'm just Improvising...." NP
"I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet"--me
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:54:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mr. Big, Producing, Videos, Drums
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960330142544.129050D-100000@homer30.u.washington.edu>
> From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
> Subject: (U)Mr Big...
>
> Glad there are Mr.Big fans on the list.
Okay, after all the recent buzz (I heard about the new album on this list)
I went out and purchased "Hey Man," the new album by Mr. Big. I have to
agree that it goes between "Lean Into It" and "Bump Ahead." Less memorable
tunes a la "Green-Tinted Sixties Mind" or "Never Say Never," but a lot
more hard 'n heavy bluesy stuff than ever before. It's not furious like
the first, nor chugging like the second, nor drifting/ripping along like
the third, but stomping and tromping. (not to be confused with romping and
stomping, which is the first album)
Sidenote: I like the first album because it's a good album, not because it
features "Addicted To That Rush." There aren't any blistering freight-
train rhythms on the new album, but I still think it's much more cohesive
and booty-shakin' than, say, Bump Ahead.
> It wish they'd go back to the "girl done me wrong", chunky, chops
> filled, good-time songs of their debut release. It easily outpaces every
> other release! LATER-
Me2. But I still like "Hey Man" because to me it seems like Mr. Big have
truly found their sound/selves. I can't imagine them playing any music
other than what's on this album. And I have to congratulate Eric Martin
for his vocal consistency. You listen to the first track from "Mr. Big"
("Addicted"), and the vocals sounds exactly the same as on the last track
from "Hey Man."
As for the geetar-work, it's not really here. The solo to "Out Of The
Underground" is pretty cool. I just might attack it.
> p.s Seeing Mr.Big in concert is a killer show. Being able to share a
> vodka bottle with 'em after the show is even better. Ah...the days of
> college gone by.
Not to mention a whirlwind guitar solo followed by a cerebrum-bustin' bass
solo. I don't care how cheesy "To Be With You" sounds to some people, I'd
pay $25 to see the Paul Gilbert/Billy Sheehan Show---I mean, to see a Mr.
Big concert.
---- > From: andrew miller <MillerA@chop.isca.uiowa.edu> > Subject: Producing DT > > i've gotta question for anyone that can answer it: > > why doesn't Dream Theater produce their own albums?Maybe they realize that most of the time, unless you're an extremely open-minded person, someone outside of you can probably critique you most objectively. I can't review what I post here and call it "good" or "bad," and most musicians figure out that someone "else" is a better choice for harnessing all of the sounds of their work and putting it all together in a spectacular way. Want an example of a band who hasn't figured out how to balance their sound OR realize that an outside producer would be a good idea?
SLAUGHTER.
> do they have any plans to do so in the future?
I would venture to say probably not. Remember that it's also a lot more work for the band to do it all. But if DT ever gets their own studio, they just might...
---- > From: DreamNDay@aol.com > Subject: videos > > I just got some cool videos from Scott Cook. Two are from 1989.
[removed. --bvai]
> Anyway, after the show, I heard one of the biggest pieces of bullshit > I've ever heard! John P says "I should've never switched to guitar. I > can't fucking play this thing!" and then, I see the same Mike Portnoy > that I saw on the japan ppv: "(frantically) Anyone got a light?!?!?!" > Cool vid.
That isn't what John Petrucci says. He switched guitars for the last song they played. What he says is, "I NEVER shoulda switched guitars." followed by "that's all I have to say" or some other out-of-breath thank-God-I- survived comment. And yeah, Portnoy says, "Got a light? Anyone got a light?" Kevin Moore shows off his animated side, too. Heck, the whole band shows off their animated sides.
Especially Charlie Dominici, who did his best to let the deaf people in the audience know exactly what he was singing. Clenched fists, arms raised, "Hold tight!" Feet out, point to spotlight, "Limelight!" If you ever find yourself laughing at what LaBrie does on stage, you obviously haven't seen Dominici. The LAST thing I'd do when singing a line like "Would you like to sit and talk to me?" would be sit down on the drumkit-stage and motion to the crowd.
---- > From: Elliott Kim <shredder@guitar.rules.com> > > BTW, I'm a guitar player [who wishes he had either stuck with piano > earlier in his life, or took up drums instead of guitar...]
No way man, not me. Too expensive, too much. The day you can pack a drumkit into a backpack and take it home for the weekend is the day I take up the drums. :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: 30 Mar 96 17:55:12 EST From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com> To: Ytsejam <Ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Acoustic Dreams Message-ID: <960330225511_103362.445_JHL93-1@CompuServe.COM>
If anyone is looking to sell a CD copy of Acoustic Dreams, please contact me at 103362.445@compuserve.com.
Thanks,
Dave
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:18:46 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: huh Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.3.30.-13.18.46.2916992174.269382@bbs.fgallery.com>
Um..pardon my ignorance..what is XWindows? i have win95 <grin> can i get that majesty symbol pointer thingie?
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:35:43 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: steve digiorgio Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960330173034.28837A-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
someone mentioned steve digiorgio's work on bass with death. he was with death for the "human" and "individual thought patterns" albums. impressive stuff. his main band (which, from what i hear, he has since left), sadus, is definitely a band to check out if you want to hear some impressive bass work, especially the "a vision of misery" album. one of the few death metal bassists to use a fretless, and this man can pull sounds and textures out of a bass i never knew were possible (granted, i'm a synth player, but great, skilled musicians are great, skilled musicians nonetheless).
oh yeah . . . napalm death rocks! as i said once before, get driving music, good for running pedestrians down by. ;)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:37:25 -0800 From: mawyatt@ix.netcom.com (Michael A. Wyatt ) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metal Edge Message-ID: <199603310037.QAA03654@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
In the new Metal Edge mag there's a picture of Portnoy and his wife and one of JP. Both taken at the NAMM show. Check it out-
John on irc- JG (1st post by the way)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:49:42 -0800 From: mawyatt@ix.netcom.com (Michael A. Wyatt ) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Long Hair Message-ID: <199603310049.QAA02319@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
*yeah i got the same problems... i've been growing mine about as long *and theres always somebody who disagrees with long hair on males. *Actually you should try saying that classical composers had their hair
*long and that long hair on guys has been around for ages. even Yanni *has long hair if theyre into that.
Even better- say " Well Jesus had long hair so fuck off!" Most ppl agree John- JG whatever
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:49:46 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1384 Message-ID: <199603310056.AAA211735@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 03/30/96 10:11am -0800
>If you've ever listened to Rust In Peace, >you'll KNOW that Ellefson plays faster than any DT song >they have ever written and probably even harder to play. I >mean, listen to David's past work with deth, ESPECIALLY on >Killing is my business (as much as I hate that cd) a 3 >fingered player would have to bust his/her ass to play that >speed.
-Just because John Myung never played that fast in a song -doesn't mean he can't. I'd like to see Dave Ellefson (he's a -great bassist, believe me) or anybody try that really cool -Metropolis bass solo thing with a pick.
I wasn't goin after John M's speed in DT at all, this little piece came about due to the 3 fingers comments etc...I need to listen to Metrolopis again but you can play any guitar or bass part with or without a pick, if you say you can't, thats bull and your placing limits on the "ability" of that instrument and the player as well by saying that statement. Hell, with a little bit of practice, I could play that part with a pick and behind my back.
About the person who was talking about Overkill, asides from myself: I was commenting on the bass playing actually, Overkill's bassist is excellent. The music is also great, I only have wrecking your neck and I don't plan to get the other studio albums but I almost picked up the new one today, didn't have the cash tho. If anyone has it and digs it, let me know about it please. I also think Blitz has cool vocals. Has anyone ever seen them live?
Mark
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^I throw myself into the sea, release the wave let it wash over me. ^To Face the fear I once believed..THE TEARS OF THE DRAGON FOR YOU AND FOR ME.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:35:05 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Satch Message-ID: <960330203504_501974694@mail02.mail.aol.com>
>Doesn't matter; the show will still kick your ass! I saw him two weeks ago in >Riverside. Stu played the Peanuts theme, to our delight! Go see the show; Joe >is a madman.
Satch is playing Roseland and I'll be in France. That sux. The only bands that are gonna be in Paris that week are Sting, The Cranberries (I think) and Green day. I'll be missing Satch, Primus, and a VH tribute band all in NY that week. Oh well. Thats irony for ya.
============================================================= Oh no! Here comes DreamNDay! Everybody hide your bandwidth before he takes it all! later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:35:07 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Asdf Message-ID: <960330203506_501974702@mail04>
>Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:16:45 -0500 >From: Mike Shollenberger <jas225s@nic.smsu.edu> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: asdf (WWW generated email) >Message-ID: <199603300316.WAA10657@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu> > >Anyone else see these guys live at Mississippi Nights in St. Louis a couple >of years ago? Incredible show. My favorite band ever. I can't help but >subscribe. Subscribe ytsejam Mike Shollenberger. That's me. later, and >thanks.
Who? Asdf? they rock. Their guitarist Jkl; is pretty good, and their drummer Qwerty is almost as good as Mike P.
============================================================= Oh no! Here comes DreamNDay! Everybody hide your bandwidth before he takes it all! later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:35:07 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Overkill Message-ID: <960330203507_501974707@mail06>
Overkill is playing in Poughkeepsie next week, about 2 hours from ARKVILLE. I'm not going cuz I won't be here. Wait. It mighta been last night. i don't know. I'm all messed up.
============================================================= Oh no! Here comes DreamNDay! Everybody hide your bandwidth before he takes it all! later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:35:08 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: trading Message-ID: <960330203508_501974732@emout07.mail.aol.com>
OK, I believe I've contacted everyone that I owe something to. If you aren't Marc, Jim, Rip, or Kurt, and I owe you something, please let me know.
============================================================= Oh no! Here comes DreamNDay! Everybody hide your bandwidth before he takes it all! later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:35:09 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nirvana people Message-ID: <960330203508_501974721@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Just so you know, I sent a letter to the Nirvana list and said to stop sending us their stupid things.
============================================================= Oh no! Here comes DreamNDay! Everybody hide your bandwidth before he takes it all! later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:35:46 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pro-Pain Message-ID: <960330203545_501974748@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Hey, I was watching the video from the manhattan Center from 94, and is Mike wearing a Pro-Pain tank top during 6:00? It looks like it. I know the guys are fans or friend with Pro-Pain becasue they are thanked in the I&W booklet, and as you guys probably know, i'm a big fan as well.
============================================================= Oh no! Here comes DreamNDay! Everybody hide your bandwidth before he takes it all! later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: 30 Mar 96 21:54:43 EST From: Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@compuserve.com> To: yt <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Subject (No DTC) Message-ID: <960331025443_102346.2730_HHQ51-1@CompuServe.COM>
This is part of the welcome message we all receive when we subscribe to the 'Jam:
> Welcome to YTSEJAM, the Dream Theater mailing list! This list > is for fans of Dream Theater, and will discuss them and any > related topics. (Related topics include other progressive > metal bands like Fates Warning, King's X, Crimson Glory, > Inferno, etc.)
Lately, I've been seeing quite a few posts about Mr. Big and White Lion. I'm not going to get into the whole "(insert band here)" is prog thing, but I don't think either of the two aforementioned bands qualify. Don't get me wrong, I've discovered some good bands via the 'Jam, but they were _prog_. If you use the "JP uses a Paul Gilbert technique" argument, cite it (i.e. which DT song and where), like some people have, but don't argue about Mr. Big's songwriting abilities here. Someone mentioned Slaughter, and I don't want the 'Jam to degenerate to "Slaughter has x amount of
albums, not y amount". If that's not possible, how about incorporating content markers in the Subject fields again? For example, if you have a post about DT, you would put (DTC) after your Subject field. It would look something like this: Subject: Myung plays bass with his toes (DTC) If your post isn't about DT, it may look something like this: Subject: Weird dream about Nirvana, Poison, White Lion, Mr. Big, Winger, and Slaughter in ER (NDTC) I'm not trying to make enemies here, I'm just trying to make the 'Jam easier to read for those who aren't regulars: newbies, people who only want to read about DT, people who have to pay for Internet access, people who want to know about good prog music. No one wants moderation, and yet more and more people want the quality of the 'Jams to increase. This is a possible (and feasible) proposal. Comments? To quote Jim Beavens, "Differing opinions welcome, flames promtly ignored".
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Giraffe Masturbation Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960330191855.127633H-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
(Damn I'm posting too much.)
---- > From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> > Subject: sarcasm? > > I don't think it's the amount of the sarcastic responses that bring you > ytsefame, it's the quality of the sarcasm that does it. Right, Bafu?
Well said.
---- > From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> > Subject: Urgh...not again! > > I'd like to see Dave Ellefson (he's a great bassist, believe me) > or anybody try that really cool Metropolis bass solo thing with a pick.
You'll have to come over sometime.
> You're telling me that he doesn't play the Demon's Be Driven thing? Have > you seen Live in Tokyo?! He bangs the hell out of it and then does a > little giraffe-masturbation thing then plays the rest....he IS playing > that. :-)
Please define "giraffe-masturbation," oh Master Of Visual Music.
> Holy Christ! I have no more Jams to read! Wow. And Spring break just > started too. It's my fookin' lucky day!
Blasphemous Satan! I've already been back in classes for a full week from Spring Break!
Does Portnoy really use purple Hot Sticks? I've heard from drummers everywhere that they're crap. Is this true?
"JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN WA WA" --Ernesto Schnack
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Anthrax, White Lion, Physics Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960330191933.127633I-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
(I'm definitely posting too much.)
---- > From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > Subject: Anthrax > > The whole "Not" thing that Wayne's World stole from Bill & Ted? > Anthrax.
Whoah. Someone else remembers this song.
---- > From: Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> > Subject: Prog rock and the highest note in Awake > > I have some quick questions for my fellow DT nuts. What do you think is > the highest note that LaBrie hits in Awake? I say "Innocence Faded" > when he says "Not intending to end"
Correct.
> Charlie > The Ytse-Rook (as in Rookie, not the chess piece =) ) ^^^^^^^^^
Did you make this term up or did you see it somewhere? (I'm feelin' kinda spooky now.)
---- > From: bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew) > Subject: white lion, again. > > actually, they have 5 albums out, including the greatest hits. all are > pretty good. just my opinion. :)
I agree. The only one I don't own is the greatest hits, 'cause Vito speed-picking a single note at a live show for three minutes (or however long that mind-blowing example of stamina was when I heard it) isn't worth $12-16. Then again, bargain bins may have the disc for $4...
---- > From: "Dr. Teeth" <GLYDE@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU> > Subject: Physics!!! > >> Since the sound >> produced by a snare drum is very short, it's difficult to really hear a >> definite pitch. > > Play a VERY short note on a piano or a guitar and tell me if you can > recognize it. I can. I don't need time to hear it.
Yes sir, one of the keys to transcribing (or learning for that matter) fast guitar runs is the ability of the ear to hear the highest and lowest notes. Something about how our eyes retain the image of lightning even though it lasts 1/3000 of a second, our ears similarily "hold" that high note in a run of fourteen.
Take an upward rush of notes that instantly reverses direction without stopping, and I'll bet you can retain what that top note was if you listen. The lowest is the same way. It's the stuff in-between that makes me hate cd-players for their inability to pause immediately and re-play from the exact pause-point. (Paul Gilbert's 36th notes don't wait for anything. Speaking of which, I Attacked It. I'll bring the carcass when I'm done.)
> The physics classes I've taken have finally panned out! Sorry man, but > that's not quite right. Amplitude is independent of frequency. > Meaning, the harder you hit a drum, a tuning fork, a guitar string or > anything else, the louder it's going to be, but it's still going to give > you the same pitch. It's just going to be louder. Whack a tuning fork > hard and you get whatever pitch it is. Just tap it and it's the same > pitch, just a lot softer. The same holds true for a drum head.
Actually, if you're playing a floating-tremolo guitar and you hit a string really hard, the pitch will go sharp for a second before levelling off. Dealing with this for extended periods of time creates a subconscious delicate touch among us trem-players that makes it very difficult to pick aggresively on locked-tremolo guitars. Or acoustics. (bleah!) Likewise, I wouldn't expect a strictly-acoustic guitar player to play with as much control or intricacy as someone like Joe Satriani.
Oh, and Steffen, the acoustic guitar is not the same thing as an electric guitar. They both have six strings and a neck, but please don't confuse skill on one with skill on another. I've never met Kevin Moore, but I'll bet I can type faster on this here keyboard than him, even though he plays keyboards for a living.
Bafu Vai
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