YTSEJAM Digest 1384
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Portnoy samples?
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
2) druma and pitch
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
3) sarcasm?
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/30/96 - 07:30:54" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) Urgh...not again!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
7) Erotomania
by 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu>
8) Get rich Quick & other scams
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
9)
by DUGASJ@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU
10) Short messsage...
by "De Vidi Daniel aka DvD : Guitar & Internet" <dvd@maya.dei.unipd.it>
11) Vanden Plas concert
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
12) Moore Music, Overkill, Megadeth
by eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
13)
by Paul Mc Clelland <clelland@ecn.purdue.edu>
14) My Shakespeare on the Web.
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
15) Gold in them there cds
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
16) shaved heads...
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
17) Re: Answered requested, and provided posthaste
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
18)
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 2:11:20 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Portnoy samples?
Message-ID: <9603300711.AA28664@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
The only sampling I'd know about are the drum triggers used on I*w. I don't
think he'd sample his parts or another's. Sampling is using another recording
of a drum, maybe a different drum sound. Sequencing is when you record your
parts. I am sure that MP does all of his own parts. Sampling only would mean
that he used drum samples, such as the triggers you hear on Images and Words.
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:12:38 -0600
From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: druma and pitch
Message-ID: <v01510101ad828f10fc4b@[204.71.98.53]>
Hiya,
>Drums can be tuned to a pitch, but not to a note. You don't try to find a
>Bb or whatever. There is no note you tune to. With drums, pitch
>describes the frequency range that the drum or cymbal emphasizes, not a
>note. Your drums and your cymbals are in tune with a song, no matter what
>key signature it's in. Think about it. If drums and cymbals produced notes,
>you would either have to limit yourself to a few key signatures, or have
>an out of tune drummer
I have three words and a cunjunction between them for you? Timpani and
steel drums.
Cheers1
napkins@clandjop.com
Seth Hatlelid
"Never place used Ben-Wa balls in your mouth..or..er...anywhere for that
matter."
"Lick me, lick me!" =Giant Ice-cream coneilingus=Repossed
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 2:14:44 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sarcasm?
Message-ID: <9603300714.AA09982@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I don't think it's the amount of the sarcastic responses that bring you
ytsefame, it's the quality of the sarcasm that does it. Right, Bafu?
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:31:36 EST
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To: ytsejam@ax.com
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:37:39 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Urgh...not again!
Message-ID: <199603300737.AAA28356@maple.enet.net>
>Piano and acoustic...
>yeah, very cool; but in sharp danger of becoming a VH1 Sellout Ballad. If
>they made it complex enough, with weird lyrics...
Who cares how complex it is?!?!?! If the song is GOOD, then I'll listen to
it. I don't care if that becomes the biggest freakin' single ever to be
released. Do you really not like music if it is simple or popular?!?!
> Maybe a little further down the road-- an orchestral backing.
That's what keyboards are for. :-)
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't drums primarily a PERCUSSIVE
>instrument? The snare on ACOS is not percussive; it is melodic, in a
>very monotone (and monotonous) way.
Wow. That's IT! I wish I thought of that. :-( Oh well..that just goes to
show that (ballsandchunkballsandchunk) I should leave the thinking to other
people.
>I admire Mike Portnoy immensely, and would even say that his incredible
>talent drew me into DT more than that of any of the other gods, BUT - I
>hate that snare! And I consider its use highly self-indulgent of Mike.
>Well, I guess that'll make me a few enemies here, but that's how I
>feel.
>
Well, you never know. Mike was against the snare trigger in I&W...Dave
Prater (die!) left that in too.
>(Pondering done. By the way, do you watch ER? It's brilliant.)
>
Yes. Ross shoulda told him that he missed the kids cancer, but Benton is a
doink for ratting on him.
>John Myung on violin, Derek on guitar, James on drums, Mike on piano and
>John Petrucci on bass and singing. Imagine!
I dunno....has DT done a cover of a John Lennon song before?
By the way.....bow down to the newest Ytse-Quote (tm) champion. :-)
>If you've ever listened to Rust In Peace,
>you'll KNOW that Ellefson plays faster than any DT song
>they have ever written and probably even harder to play. I
>mean, listen to David's past work with deth, ESPECIALLY on
>Killing is my business (as much as I hate that cd) a 3
>fingered player would have to bust his/her ass to play that
>speed.
Just because John Myung never played that fast in a song doesn't mean he can't.
I'd like to see Dave Ellefson (he's a great bassist, believe me) or anybody
try that really cool Metropolis bass solo thing with a pick.
>(whatever the hell james means on "and you can tell your
>grandfather I said so")
I....MUST......RESIST......THE.....CORRECTION......
>I'm gonna hafta throw in my spare change (the pan handlers sure
>ain't gettin' it....)
[blahblahblahblahblah]
He probably records all of his
>snare drum sounds without reverb and tuned to a perfect "Bb," too.
What the hell is wrong with you people? All that Larry (Odneal?) did was
pinpoint the reason why we don't really like the ACoS snare...well, most of
us anyways. Okay, some of us...okay, at least me. It's like if he were to
hit a tympani tuned to a F# all throughout a song that's in Bb. That don't
sound good. It's too much of a MELODIC note and not a RHYTHMIC note.
Whoops....I just repeated all of Larry's post. Well, it's for a good cause.
Larry also said that it was kind of self indulgent...that don't mean
nuthin...like I already said in this post, Mike didn't want the I&W snare
trigger either. Urgh. That's my $.02 plus tax.
>Could this be true? I never heard anyone on the jam mention drum sampling and
>even though I son't have a trained ear for that sort of thing, I don't really
>hear any instances where he did sampling.
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It cannot
be. You're not my father. Your friend has been misinformed. :-)
>Please, please, please tell me that this is the
>Fates Warning song and not, repeat NOT, the
>Kenny Rogers/Dolly Parton (or whoever) song
>from the seventies. I realize that was "Islands,"
>but, with all this retro seventies shit going on with
>kids today, (unkind age crack) one never knows.
Of course it's Kenny and Dolly. Who the hell is Fates Warning?
>Yes, he does use some drum samples on Images and Words, but maybe he's just
>talking about how he makes other drum tracks that lay over the original
>ones. Like for example, in Learning to Live, he plays some sort of Timbale
>or something over his normal drum part...if you listen closely you can tell
>that in order for this to be possible he would need four arms...so yes he
>does lay down other percussion tracks on top.
Hmm...I've only noticed it on Awake and ACoS. What time in LtL does he do it?
This takes nothing away from
>his drumming though...he is still one of the best drummers I've ever heard.
>He just did that in the studio to build to the song.
Yaaah. :-)
Live, he sounds just
>great and plays everything, except for a few sound bites (ex. the Pantera
>"By Demons Be Driven" bit that he put into his solo) he has programmed into
>drum triggers, so there's nothing bad about it. talk later.
You're telling me that he doesn't play the Demon's Be Driven thing? Have you
seen Live in Tokyo?! He bangs the hell out of it and then does a little
giraffe-masturbation thing then plays the rest....he IS playing that. :-)
Holy Christ! I have no more Jams to read! Wow. And Spring break just
started too. It's my fookin' lucky day!
Ben Laussade
Favorite Song of the Week: Island in the Stream
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:21:14 -0800
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383
Message-ID: <199603300821.AAA21739@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
>>Excuse me while I pause to hear Tom Jones sing 'Are you Gonna Go My
Way?'...<<
Have you heard him do "Closer" by The Firm (NOT nin). Yeesh!
Scott Cook
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:37:02 -0800 (PST)
From: 95fa467 <95fa467@dvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Erotomania
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960330000247.8921A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hi Jammers:
I reading the Newspaper the other day and was surprised to see
the word Erotomania mentioned. The article was about some psycho who was
obsessed with his female boss. Here's what the article said:
The man who held his former boss hostage during a five-hour
standoff Monday suffered from a delusional psychosis that led him to
believe she loved him and had abnormal powers to control his life, a
psychologist said Tuesday.
"We call it erotomania. It refers to the fact that, while it
doesn't happen every day, men and women alike develop a mega-crush that
turns into a delusion that the other person loves them," said
psychologist Robert Flint.
"It often takes the form that this man's delusion took - the
object of affection is less about a sexual attraction than a melding of
souls...He presented her (to friends) as a mystical psychic he was
counting on to tell him things about his future. ...What we're talking
about is pretty psychotic stuff."
As you can see this guy was pretty messed up to begin with. He
ended up being killed by his hostage who pulled the trigger of his gun
during the standoff. He had threatened to kill her if she didn't pull the
trigger of his gun to kill him. Before I had read this article, I thought
that the word Erotomania was made up or something. Maybe this info can be
used as part of Mike Bahr's DT trivial Pursuit or something. Hey do I get
some extra credit? :) Anyway I thought you guys might find this
interesting.... Later.
-Scott
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:35:30 -0800
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Get rich Quick & other scams
Message-ID: <199603300835.AAA08956@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
Ya know, it seems to me that this shit with all the scams that have
been posted to the jam could be taken care of very easily if this was a
list where only members could post. I don't know how easy this would be
to do, but I know other lists do it; and that way if a member was
posting this shit it would be easier to get rid of it.
Scott Cook
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 3:54:32 -0500 (EST)
From: DUGASJ@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU
To: YTSEJAM@ax.COM
Message-ID: <960330035432.20214405@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU>
send me mail on dream theater @dugasj
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:47:27 +0100 (MET)
From: "De Vidi Daniel aka DvD : Guitar & Internet" <dvd@maya.dei.unipd.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Short messsage...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960330114401.27480A-100000@eva.dei.unipd.it>
hi guys
just now I'm moving to Milan to see a clinic of John Petrucci & Mike
Portnoy, so stay tuned!!!
I'll say them every ideas about ytsejam mailing list!!
Cya!!!!!
Daniel (aka DvD)
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:23:59 +0100 (MET)
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vanden Plas concert
Message-ID: <m0u2wt5-00005tC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Hi!
Yesterday Vanden Plas was playing in Berlin, and it was a very special gig!!!
You won't believe me, but it's true: There were only 8 (eight) people at the
show!!!
But these 8 people and the band made the best out of it and I have to say
that this was one of the best concerts I've seen for a while! They didn't
shorten their setlist or anything, they even played an encore!
The atmosphere was great, everybody (including the band) enjoyed the show
and we talked to them for a long time.
Everybody who likes DT, Queensryche, Savatage or Superior: Check out
Vanden Plas!
Ties
-- ..and still the orchestra plays!------------------------------
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:17:31 -0500 (EST) From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Moore Music, Overkill, Megadeth Message-ID: <199603301217.HAA75318@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Does anyone know if sheet musice is available for the keyboard parts of DT's albums? I've searched music stores all over the east coast and, well, I get none.
To whoever wrote the term paper on Megadeth, they did tour with STP for 2 shows but then they quit because they though Dave was, you guessed it, an asshole. That's just something I heard but in some Japanese cd cover notes it mentions them on tour with Aerosmith and STP. I know for sure they were on tour with Aerosmith because I saw the ticket for it (July 4, 1993).
Overkill's new album does remind you of WFO and IHB but it has a lot of new elements such as voice distortion in almost every song, a little industrial, and even what I consider a Prog song. The first time I heard it it reminded me of Another Day.
For my two bits on the snare sound discussion, I'm a violinist and I like I&W better than ACOS. Sorry, just honest opinion, no musical theory to back it up.
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:42:20 -0500 From: Paul Mc Clelland <clelland@ecn.purdue.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199603301542.KAA09865@atom.ecn.purdue.edu>
Good day, fair ladies and gentlemen...
Somebody wrote... >>>i was wondering the same thing. what ever happened to White Lion?
Well, they came out with 2 albums and then a greatest hits album. All were on the $3.99 shelf of the music store within, let me see, a month? Something like that. Then faded into obscurity... They weren't quite one hit wonders, but REALLY CLOSE. I thought WAIT and LITTLE FIGHTER were cool songs, but the rest, well...
I want to buy one of Tim's CD's, but can't decide which one. Can anybody help me? Please?
Oh yeah, and DT...come to PUrdue, please? (you know if I say it enough they just might...)
Pauly
---"This is good watermelon.....*chews*.....*winces*.....tastes like poop" -Stanley Spadowski...UHF
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:15:36 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My Shakespeare on the Web. Message-ID: <199603301615.IAA10980@cats.ucsc.edu>
For those who might have been curious, I uploaded my silly pseudo-shakespeare scene to the web. Just go to my homepage and look under "Creations" then "Await The Dawn"
For non-framed browsers, you'll have to go through a couple extra links to get to the contents pages, but you can do it.
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:20:59 -0500 From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gold in them there cds Message-ID: <9603301620.AA21378@pipe6>
On Mar 29, 1996 the digest began with: >Today's Topics: 1. Maybe someone could explain something to me. I was thumbing through (fingering?) the Sunday newspaper advertisements (for some reason around here the newspaper guy brings the Sunday inserts on Saturday. Good for grocery shopping - bad for reading the comics. None on Sunday!) Anyway, Best Buy was advertising 24k gold cds from Nirvana and Counting Crows. Now I wouldn't buy either of those records were they gold or not, but I know Rush put out some stuff like that, too. Do they really sound better? If so, why? Too bad Hairball isn't around to explain. 8-( 2. NDTC. 3. Cerveza. -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:32:17 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: shaved heads... Message-ID: <19960330203216.AAA5431@mail.pananet.com>
>pronounce any other words in Spanish other than Cervesa ( or >something like that ).
CerveZa
>> >Modjeska!!! Oh man, that reminds me... this one's for all you YJLHBH >> >(did I abbreviate that right? Hairball? Anyone?) members... SATCH SHAVED >> >HIS HEAD!!!!! >> >> NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >HEY! What's wrong with having a shaved head??? > >Satch did look pretty weird though. >
I was listening to FNM's Angel Dust, and something dawned on me... wasn't their singer the first one to cut his hair short, thus beginning the trend of everybody in the rock world shaving their heads off? Or was their somebody b4 him??
BTW...I don't have anything against shaved heads, just that after seeing Billy Corgan w/ one (doesn't he look awful) I cringe at the thought of Satch doing it... I remember reading somewhere that Vai ( Steve, not Bafu) was considering doing it too...
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================|
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:30:26 -0800 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Answered requested, and provided posthaste Message-ID: <199603301730.JAA03277@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
> 3) Snare sound on ACoS... > by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
>1) Did you write that Guitar for the Practicing Musician review of ACoS? > >2) Don't you think it's awfully self-indulgent of Mike to have written the lyrics about his life? > >3) Shouldn't he have written them about them about current American >politics or something much "more important?" > >4) Isn't just the entire album incredibly self-indulgent? I mean, >they're all playing their instruments!!! They're probably thinking to >themselves, "Hey, check me out!" the whole time! What head-cases! > >5) You know that guy who wrote an entire novel without using the letter e? Isn't that incredibly self-indulgent? He probably records all of his snare drum sounds without reverb and tuned to a perfect "Bb," too. > > > Answers? > > >\o/ --==Brian Wherry==-- o > | --==bwherry@acs.bu.edu==-- /|\
OK, sure, here are your answers:
1) No, I'm not a writer, and I happen to LIKE ACoS 2) No 3) Nope, and who are you quoting? not me . . . 4) No - only the snare sound 5) (a two-parter) a) No, I don't know him b) Yes, it would be
And now, a personal note: Brian, have you considered switching to de-caf? I was giving my opinion, that's all. Please see below for another opinion
> 3. I like the sound of the snare on ACoS. > > And last, I pose a question: > > How many sarcastic responses does it take to become a Ytse-Celebrity? > > Jus' Ponderin' > > -Koggie
Look, Brian, here's a guy who can post HIS opinion without trashing someone else's. What a concept!
See ya around. Buds?
Larry
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960330100029.116199D-100000@homer26.u.washington.edu>
A: 2+2 = 4. B: No it doesn't. A: Yes it does. Fuck off. B: Fuck me? Hey, fucknuts, fuck you. A: No, you don't seem to understand. FUCK YOU. C: Hey, fuck you both. Where's my crack? D: He who live in glass house ought not throw stone, Danyosan. C: Stoned? Like after doing too much crack? D: No, like too much scalding hot Tang. E: Look, freak, there's no Tang here. My .sig thinks you're silly. F: Your .sig? Look, you can't play bass. Besides, I know everything. G: Everything? What about my new favorite song? E: At least my bass-playing gets DT some exposure. G: Exposure? I like to expose myself. I'm not wearing any pants. E: I know what kind of pants Myung wore in his violin class at age 4. H: MTFBWY!! I: That anagram makes no sense. Furthermore, kill the anagrams or I will kill you all. Come to IRC. Thanks. J: Wakka-chakka. K: Ahem. That's "wakka-ja-wakka." J: Yeah whatever. Wakka-wakka-wakka. K: No, Pac-Man and Fozzie Bear didn't play with Zappa. Stop it. L: Actually, this shaft is kind of comfortable. M: Actually, Lie is Kevin Moore's sadistic tribute to drowning kittens. L: I didn't get any damn kittens when I sent in my check five years ago. N: SURRENDER TO ME!! O: What? Bite me. N: YOU SHALL PERISH IN CHOCOLATE-LASER DEATH!! O: Yeah, okay. Here, have a thermo-nuclear hubcap of doom. N: YOUR BASKET IS PATHETIC!! NOW TASTE THE FURY OF THE CADBURY CREAM-EGG OF THE ARMAGEDDON!! O: Yeah, it tastes good. Gimme another and I'll have Zeus kick your ass. I: Stop this shit before I armageddon-cream you both. C: Hey! You got your armageddon-cream in my crack. I: Oh yeah? You got your crack in my armageddon-cream. C: Sounds like a date. Pick you up at seven. And bring some crack. P: I'm the Devil's Plaything. Can I join you? C: I'm more than you can handle, crackhead. Q: Yes, Jean-Luc, but what was your motive? Can you remember? R: Check out this magazine deal. S: I'm a badass. Bafu Vai ain't shit. T: Hey, that's my husband you're talking about. U: If you play DT at four-times regular speed, you'll be as crazy as me. Just don't wear a sock on your head. R: Buy magazines. V: I hate magazines! Especially guitar magazines! They suck! W: I'm in Panama. We don't have magazines here. X: (cough cough) I hab a code id by dose. This fever ain't fadin'. Y: I like White Lion too. X: Nonono, I said a code!! I hab a code id by dose!! Y: Exactly! Vito Bratta sure was awesome! Z: I've got the brains, you've got the power, let's make lots of money. Honesty is the key.
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