YTSEJAM Digest 1383
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Need fast Cash? Here it is!
by Sir Isaac Newton <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
2) TOWHTSTS
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/30/96 - 03:44:35" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) Spanish lessons.
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
5) Bass
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
6) YtseCon Images
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) The Answer
by Mike Yassa <sgy@orbonline.net>
8) Dreamanday or whatever
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
9) skinhead Satch
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
10) MAKE.MONEY.FAST
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1382
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1381
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
13) JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN WA WA
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) Few things
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
15) Superior...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
16) Portnoy Samples
by BFGG03B@prodigy.com (MR PAUL D KNEGTEN)
17) Snares, drums, pitch...
by BFGG03B@prodigy.com (MR PAUL D KNEGTEN)
18) Drum Triggering.../Piccilos
by BFGG03B@prodigy.com (MR PAUL D KNEGTEN)
19) WARNING! READ THIS!!
by Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
20) Megadeth and fingerstyle bass
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:40:07 -0800
From: Sir Isaac Newton <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "D. Pellor" <dpellor@u.washington.edu>
Cc: Qwertyuio6@aol.com, nirvlist@nyx.net, ytsejam@ax.com, scheerga@luther.edu,
Subject: Re: Need fast Cash? Here it is!
Message-ID: <199603300340.TAA20777@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
At 02:28 PM 3/29/96 -0800, D. Pellor wrote:
>Obviously you are confused and dreaming if you think this is actually a
>list ~ Nirvana. Get real. This is a bitch line!
This guy speaks the truth of the moment. But it wasn't always taht way.
Before, our arguments lasted about a weekend. Now we're still trying to
get over the shock of... you know who. The more you talk the shit, the
more shit is going to be talked (I figured that one out in my rocket science
class). For all you whiners who bitch about not talking about Nirvana, well
you're just as fucking lazy you assholes (this may not be refering to you).
So here's a Nirvana question. Bleach was recorded for $600. That is dirt
cheap, practically for free for cutting a record. Does anyone know how long
it took? I know that most of the lyrics were written the day before they
recorded which is ludicrous but, effective?
SIN
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:42:37 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TOWHTSTS
Message-ID: <19960330064236.AAA28902@mail.pananet.com>
I don't know if this topic has ever been brought up b4... but does anybody
any idea of what TOWHTSTS is about? My interpretation is that it's this guy
who goes to see his girl, and he finds her doing da nasty w/ another guy...
however the chorus doesn't seem to fit anywhere in this interpretation so
I'm most probably wrong...
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|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
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|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:45:17 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/30/96 - 03:44:35" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:46:09 EST
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spanish lessons.
Message-ID: <096.04754682.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
Thanks to Kevin for the lessons. I had no idea how to spell or
pronounce any other words in Spanish other than Cervesa ( or
something like that ). I took French for 7 years and probably no less
of that then Spanish now.
I heard a very rough recording of several upcoming songs on the
next DT album. Iwas with Kenny Myung and he had a tape John had made
for him. Mind you it was not produced and the exact album form was
not set yet, but it was cool. No radio friendly songs here. If any
one was at the Malibu show on L.I. June 13th you heard one of the
tracks ( at least a part of it ) that was played as an instrumental
lead into another one of their songs. Sorry I can't remember which
one it was.
Kenny also said he may subscribe to the Jam to keep an eye on us.
He said that he wants to see how accurate our info was. Big brother
is watching. Peace, Love, and Hatred.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:53:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bass
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603292229.A2210-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: btomko@home.glasscity.net
> Subject: Myung
>
> I've never heard Ellefson, but (don't bother cluttering the jam with
> angry mail, send it to me) I've heard very few metal bassists who do more
> than hold down the bass parts. While this is a bassist's primary function,
> it doesn't take much of a player to handle it. Take me. I'm 16, have very
> little rock experience, but after only playing a few years, I've acquired
> the skills to hold down a rhythm section.
Ugh. Well, he's young. He'll learn.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:55:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: Metropolis <metropolis@arastar.com>
Subject: YtseCon Images
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603292218.B2210-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, folks. I have scanned in a couple of ticket stubs and a backstage
pass, all signed by members of the band. I have also scanned in a stack
of pictures that Bafu mailed to me, that he took at YtseCon II and at
other times that weekend. If ya wanna see 'em, go to
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/ytsecon.html. Later!
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:56:05 -0500
From: Mike Yassa <sgy@orbonline.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Answer
Message-ID: <199603300356.WAA22999@ns.orbonline.net>
I've been thinking about the sparse popularity of DT (a depressing
subject) and the immense popularity of (ack) Alternative music. Being in
Toronto, there isn't a big support for DT, (at least not that I know of,
correct me if I'm wrong), yet bands like Oasis and Green Day have droves of
fans. It seems to me that the simpler the band while still trying to keep
some slight vestige of a tune, the more popular. Now as we all know DT isn't
exactly what you would call simple. Whenever I play it for my friends, they
think it's utter crap. Most people like tunes they can hum. DT isn't like
that. You can't easily hum a DT line. So all you people who want DT to
become megastars without selling out, good luck and keep dreaming.
Sincerely, Mike
"I'm insane......and you are my insanity" -Twelve Monkeys
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:55:59 EST
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dreamanday or whatever
Message-ID: <096.04755404.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
The quote about the " Silly party was taken from a Monty python
skit about British elections. It was in no way shape or form aimed at
Brian The SERIOUS bandwith waster. Don't take this the wrong way, but
if you have nothing better to do than post all day and night you
might consider suicide.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
P.S. Sorry for the lack of DT content. Ijust needed to be self
indulgent for once.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 20:35:42 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: skinhead Satch
Message-ID: <9603300435.AA13175@tengs1>
> From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
> Subject: blubber
>
> >Modjeska!!! Oh man, that reminds me... this one's for all you YJLHBH
> >(did I abbreviate that right? Hairball? Anyone?) members... SATCH SHAVED
> >HIS HEAD!!!!!
>
> NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEY! What's wrong with having a shaved head???
Satch did look pretty weird though.
Zach
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 20:50:23 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MAKE.MONEY.FAST
Message-ID: <9603300450.AA13297@tengs1>
had y'all going there, heh. heh.
> From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
> Subject: fingerstyle bass and megadeth
>
> -Hiya everyone,
Hello,
> -Playing fingerstyle in this matter allows one
> -to play faster than with two fingers or with a pick
>
> No it doesn't. Thats an assumption. More fingers will not
> give you better speed or allow you to be fast than a pick
> player. I know you bring up David later on so I'll bring
> him up now. If your saying, someone with 3 fingers can play
> FASTER than a person like David Ellefson who uses a pick,
> your insane...1)If you've ever listened to Rust In Peace,
> you'll KNOW that Ellefson plays faster than any DT song
> they have ever written and probably even harder to play. I
> mean, listen to David's past work with deth, ESPECIALLY on
> Killing is my business (as much as I hate that cd) a 3
> fingered player would have to bust his/her ass to play that
> speed. I don't want to be slamming bass players but there
> are those that are better than others and alot of them to
> me could run circles around JM. I'll name example if need
> be.
Well, I stood about 6 feet in front of John at one of the
Awake shows, and I was mesmerized at how fast he was playing
while sliding his left hand up and down the neck about every
nanosecond. I could see he was playing some very complex stuff
incredibly fast. It's just that I can't pick it out when I
listen to the songs. Maybye having a shaved head impairs my
bass-hearing ability, I honestly don't know!
Zach
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:17:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1382
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960330000641.59328A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
About Mr. Big: don't get me wrong. I like their first album. It
showed amazing technical ability. But "Lean Into It" is a much more
diverse album. IT was, in my opnion, a big leap forward and became the
blueprint for the next two albums. I like both the "Colorado
Bulldog"-type of song and the "Wild World" type. What I've never been too
fond of is the "Tempremental"-type, which is what the new album mostly
consists of. I totally agree with your take on "Take Cover:" I would have
loved for there to be a guitar solo somewhere in there. But I still think
it's one of the albums best songs nonetheless. "Going Where The Wind
Blows" probably will reinforce Mr. Big's mistaken public image of being a
ballad band, but I think it is still an incredible song. Personally, I
would kill to be associated with that type of song. It's on obvious
release. The truth of the matter is that hard rock bands these days are
only having success with ballads; whether this is a matter of that being
the only type of song that the public wants to hear from these bands or
if it is a matter that these are the only songs that the record companies
want to promote from these type of bands is a case of chicken-and-egg.
I probably would have released "Take Cover" first. It's not a ballad, but
it is still catchy. Then I would have gone with "Wind." Oh well.
Richie
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:20:47 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1381
Message-ID: <19960330082046.AAA324@mail.pananet.com>
> My damn dog started barking along to ACoS today, but he wasn't in
>pitch!! Talk about a self indulgent dog! It's a good thing I kicked him
>in the head -- that damn off-pitch, self-indulgent barking won't happen
>again!
>
THe other 'self-indulgence wisecracks' were pretty good, but this one just
craked me up..:)
Excuse me while I pause to hear Tom Jones sing 'Are you Gonna Go My Way?'...
..OK...impressions...the band was actually pretty darn good... but Tom
Jones was pathetic...I mean what's next? Is he gonna come out w/ dreads?? JEEZ!
>thank you for all that facinating information about Nirvana! (sarcasm!)
>People! This is really getting old. (after 2 days)Whan I signed up for this
>thing I thought that I would learn something besides how to start a flame
>war! So could you all please shut up with all this crap and start writing
>about Nirvana? (Isn't that the point?)
HUH???!!!
>also, for those interested, James Lamenzo (WL bassist) played with
>Zakk Wylde on Pride and Glory's album and the last time i heard of him, he
>was touring with Slash's Snakepit... No news 'bout Greg or Vito, sorry...
Greg also played w/ Pride & Glory but he left b4 they recorded the CD... he
did play on the track they recorded for 'The Guitars Who Rule the
World'...Vito supposively was gonna do a solo album...that would've kicked
ass...
>
>Obviously you are confused and dreaming if you think this is actually a
>list ~ Nirvana. Get real. This is a bitch line!
>
double HUH!!!???
't
>make much sense. You should say
>"Donde esta tu ropa?" Maybe the Panamanian
>list member could chime in.
Not really, you pretty much said it all... Where is your clothe? heh,heh:)
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
|===========================================================================|
|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
|===========================================================================|
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:20:56 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN WA WA
Message-ID: <19960330082054.AAA328@mail.pananet.com>
>He just did that in the studio to build to the song. Live, he sounds just
>great and plays everything, except for a few sound bites (ex. the Pantera
>"By Demons Be Driven" bit that he put into his solo) he has programmed into
>drum triggers, so there's nothing bad about it. talk later.
I thought JP played that... I guess I'll go listen to my LiT more closely...
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|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
|===========================================================================|
|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
|===========================================================================|
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:20:20 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Few things
Message-ID: <199603300520.VAA22262@cats.ucsc.edu>
Brian: Decaf, man. Decaf! (hey, that goes for both DreamNDay and Mr.
"Self-Indulgent") :)
Drums: What is a note, if not a pitch? Drums for sure can be tuned to a
note. Ever play a Timpani? Well, that's the limit of my musical knoeledge
of drums. :) Except: I hate the ACOS snare. I prefer the sound on I & W.
Yes, the never-changing loudness can be annoying, but the sound of an
individual note is good. I want to sample it (if I had a sampler) and use
it in my MIDI rig. At least then I could get velocity out of it.
Theatah: I'm much into theater (well, much more or less) -- A play I wrote
is going to be produced, assuming I can find a director. (I have until
Tuesday! Yipes!)
And now we've got cross-postings from the Nirvana list and make momey fast.
Just when the Jam was getting good. Can't we make it so that
non-subscribers cannot post? And, what the heck could they be discussing on
the Nirvana list: "And today's top news story, Kurt Cobain is still dead."
Sigh. I guess I should get back to coding, writing, music-making, playing
Duke Nukem 3d or something like that. Oh yeah, I've determined that I'm
going to learn how to play OAMOT, and eventually make a MIDI file version
(not a true copy, but a similar version -- I'm going to have to simplify
Kev's solos, for one thing) Anyone know of a good MIDI file editor on the
PC? I need one that can handle complex music. My sequencer is good (not on
the PC anyways, on an Atari Falcon) but I want something to fine-tune the
MIDI file when I finish it.
Oh, and Duke Nukem rocks. Doom is dead. True 3d.
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:00:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Superior...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960329235527.7611A-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
I have a public plea here. I have downloaded all the Superior sound
bites I can find on the WWW, and I must admit that they kick ass. I have
been talking to Jason Skewes about my order, but he only has 5 or so
ordered, and can't get another shipment till he get's 10+.
So, to all of you who want this CD, and have been putting it off,
order it, so we can all get it sooner. If you need more info, write to
Jason at jskewes@why.net and ask him. Thanks.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:09:30 EST
From: BFGG03B@prodigy.com (MR PAUL D KNEGTEN)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Portnoy Samples
Message-ID: <013.04762841.BFGG03B@prodigy.com>
Also, In Metropolis during the timbale part he keeps the hi-hat
constant while playing the timbales which is impossible; thus he
overdubbed that percussion track too. In Caught in a Web, a cowbell
and a vibra-slap are both overdubbed. And finally and more
drastically in A Change of Seasons he overdubs a tom fill over an
intricate beat that is definately impossible to do otherwise. (I'm
not sure of exact times..., I don't have my DT CD's at work)
Otherwise, he does some amazing drumming and we can overlook his
cheating...(and his use of purple Hot Sticks...<G>)
Paul Knegten
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:15:38 EST
From: BFGG03B@prodigy.com (MR PAUL D KNEGTEN)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Snares, drums, pitch...
Message-ID: <013.04763070.BFGG03B@prodigy.com>
Actually, you are partially right... We drummers don't try to find
a particular note per se, but I for one like to tune my toms in
thirds...I tune the highest tom and then the second one a third below
that and so on. By the way Mike's snare sounds very much like a
Braun Popcorn Popper on A Change of Seasons if you haven't noticed...
one of the worst recorded snare sounds to date...<G>
Paul Knegten
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:24:15 EST
From: BFGG03B@prodigy.com (MR PAUL D KNEGTEN)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drum Triggering.../Piccilos
Message-ID: <013.04763389.BFGG03B@prodigy.com>
Well, I have a 3x1/4" piccilo snare and the trick to make it sound
full instead of flimsy or "poppy" is to tune the head lower than you
would for a deeper snare. The combination of the shallowness of the
drum with the deeper tone of the head makes for a great snare drum
sound....
PK
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 01:20:50 EST
From: Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
To: All my Ytse-pals <YTSEJAM@AX.COM>
Subject: WARNING! READ THIS!!
Message-ID: <960330.013013.EST.SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Hey everyone,
I read this on my dad's company BBS, and thought that you all should know
about it.
As confirmed by Microsoft Security:
A new trojan horse virus has emerged on the internet with the name PKZIP300.ZIP
, so named as to give the impression that this file is a new version of the
PKZIP software used to ZIP (compress) files. Do not download this file under
any circumstances! If you install or expand this file, the virus will wipe
your hard disk and affect modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely
destructive virus and there is not yet a way of cleaning up this one.
Repeat: Do not download any file with the name PKZIP300, regardless of the
extension.
Be careful out there,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:55:58 -0600
From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Megadeth and fingerstyle bass
Message-ID: <v01510100ad82855bb474@[204.71.98.59]>
>-Playing fingerstyle in this matter allows one
>-to play faster than with two fingers or with a pick
>
>No it doesn't. Thats an assumption. More fingers will not
>give you better speed or allow you to be fast than a pick
>player. I know you bring up David later on so I'll bring
>him up now. If your saying, someone with 3 fingers can play
>FASTER than a person like David Ellefson who uses a pick,
>your insane...1)If you've ever listened to Rust In Peace,
>you'll KNOW that Ellefson plays faster than any DT song
>they have ever written and probably even harder to play. I
>mean, listen to David's past work with deth, ESPECIALLY on
>Killing is my business (as much as I hate that cd) a 3
>fingered player would have to bust his/her ass to play that
>speed. I don't want to be slamming bass players but there
>are those that are better than others and alot of them to
>me could run circles around JM. I'll name example if need
>be.
>
While it's true that Ellefson does play faster notes than Myung, Myung
changes notes more often, so Ellefson moves his right hand faster while
Myung cruises with his left. This pretty much epitomizes the two styles.
This is also why I play with my fingers (mostly 2, triplets 3)
>-For an example of the difference
>-between picking and fingerstyling bass check out David
>-Ellefson's bass lines on Rust in Peace as compared to John
>-Myungs bass lines onj Images and words; both lines are
>-incredibly fast and complex but Myung sounds deeper and
>-fuller
>
>Um, the reason for that is the amps there using and also
>the way it was mixed, also, the type of pick that was used.
>I wouldn't call I&W extremely fast either. Complexity is
>about the only thing I&W is.
>
Um, Ellefson used to play with his fingers but he switched to a pick to cut
out some of the boominess of the bass to complement the metal guitars.
Myung likes the bass boominess to complement the drums. A six-string bass
played with a pick sounds like a guitar, but played with the fingers is
unmistakably a bass. When I play with my fingers on my Vantage six string
through my Eden amp it can sound just as boomy as a Fender played through a
Peavy (actually more so). But when I play with a pick through my same Eden
withought changing the EQ, the sound varies remarkably: the bass drops out,
the highs are more shrill, and the string response is faster.
>-while Ellefson has a quicker "kick" and cuts
>-through the mix a little better due to the severity and
>-timbre of his picking attack. Both are amazing bassists
>-and are two of my favorites (I am a six-string bassist)
>-and both have strongly influenced my playing.
>
>Kick? I assume you mean the sound when he hits his strings.
>What you've been talking about is the sound thats coming
>out of your amp dude. I sound like Steve harris 80% of the
>time and I play with my fingers and thats because 90% of
>the work from my bass amp and the other 10% is from my
>fingers, not anything else.
>
Nope, I meant the amount of time it takes for the primary overtone to decay
into the weaker sounding second overtone, fingerstyle has a longer, less
defined, less clear original "kick". This is why many fingerstly players
hate compressors, because a compressor makes the note sound almost like it
was picked
>
>-As to Megadeth touring with DT I would love it! Megadeth
>-has a habit of touring with great up and coming bands (ie
>-Stone Temple Pilots,
>
>What tour did they go on? I don't recall any tour with STP
>and Megadeth? I think you might be referring to Suicidal
>Tendancies.
>
The show I saw STP (I know STP, SEX TYPE THING< PLUSH) at was in FEbruary
on the Countdown tour at the Shrine Mosque in Springfield MO.
>-Korn, Fear Factory,
>
>Korn...I hope they get their guitars stuck inbetween their
>teeth so I don't have to listen to them yell into the
>microphone and TRY to play their out of tune guitars.
>
I love Korn, but it's all a matter of opinion.
>-In the past
>-Mustaine has been difficult to get along with but he seems
>-to be stabalizing in the last couple of years.
>-I saw them in concert while they were supporting Countdown
>-to Extinction and they were fantastic, they were
>-considerate of the fans and put on a great show.
>
>Yea, well, you'd be an asshole to get a long with too if
>you were coming off years of drug abuse too. To quote "I
>was an asshole back then, I'm an asshole now, I know I'm
>doing it, I just need to figure out why"-DM
>
Explaining behavior does not excuse it.
>
>-The truth of the matter is that
>-Megadeth has helped to create and lend musical credibility
>-to a fledling style of music (Killing is my Buisiness...
>-is INFINATLEY more intricate and complex than Metallica's
>-Kill 'Em All or anything by Slayer, Exodus or Overkill.
>
>Overkill....if deth had continued on the same route that
>they did for RIP, those 2 would be touring together. I'm
>beginning to like Overkill a bit more than Megadeth in the
>listening department. pick up Wrecking your Neck Live, you
>won't be disappointed.
I have some Overkill stuff, the only decent stuff is the Years of Decay and
I hear Black. Hello from the Gutter, Horrorscope, and Under the Influence
SUCK> They REALLY need to fire Blitz or he needs to learn a new
note;monotone boy!
>(whatever the hell james means on "and you can tell your
>grandfather I said so")
Actually, it's STEPfather
>
>I wouldn't call Megadeth progressive but developing a new
>style of music, most definetly. I would agree with you
>about your comment of the fates warning songs being less
>complex but I can only agree with you on the new material,
>not the older stuff. Old Fates Warning is progressive to a
>"P". The new stuff is cool but not like the old.
Megadeth has been described in numerous magazine articles, numerous mail
order cataloques, and by the band themselves as progressive metal. It's
not progressive rock like Rush, but it is a progressive style. I have
already recieved a private email about old fates versus nre. All I have is
Inside Out and I saw them live with DT. They are OK, not great, but OK.
Maybe I will check out some of the John Arch stuff, I've heard it's MUCH
better.
>
>-If you don't like
>-Megadeth that's fine with me but dislike them for their
>-musical tastes, not Mustaine's mouthing.
>
>You mean the music they play not their tastes, I could care
>less what Mustaine digs for tunes.
I stand corrected! :-)
Cheers!
>
napkins@clandjop.com
Seth Hatlelid
"Never place used Ben-Wa balls in your mouth..or..er...anywhere for that
matter."
"Lick me, lick me!" =Giant Ice-cream coneilingus=Repossed
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