YTSEJAM Digest 1573
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest 1569
by UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/22/96 - 22:34:51" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) oops :)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) Clarification
by Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM>
5) Re: Clarification
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
6) i'm so combative lately... ;)
by matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com>
7) Trevor Rabin
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
8) CRATE G80XL
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1568
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
10) death singers -- arrrrrgh!!
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
11) DEATH!!!!!
by "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au>
12) When Dream and Today Unite
by DSteele78@aol.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1571
by matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com>
14) Attention New England Area Jammers!!!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
15) DT International Fan Club, Helloween
by bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Moran)
16) Stuph ......
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
17) METALLICA THREAD
by Jane & Roger Goff <jnrgoff@capital.net>
18) Soundgarden, Metallica, and a guy named Jose
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:57:20, -0500
From: UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1569
Message-ID: <199605222057.QAA12400@mime4.prodigy.com>
> Hey Anna, good to see one more Long Island jammer on board, and
a
>girl to top it all off.
>Hating the oppressive heat!!!!!!
i be the only female DT fan i know. (personally) i know there are
female jammers out there, but none whatsoever near me! i feel so...
unloved...(*sniffle*)...
and yes, it was goddamn HOT here yesterday. what happened to spring?
! jesus, it turned into July overnight...50 degrees one week, 96 the
next...damn jet stream is screwing with my head...
not so bad today though...only about 85. what am i babbling about?
i'm gonna shut up now.
____
"...the weasel squeaks faster than a seven day week..." - Tori Amos,
Marianne
"...every road leads back to my door,
every road i will follow,
every road leads back to my door,
got all your lines crossed..." - Tori Amos,
In The Springtime of His Voodoo
Anna:-)
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:33:21 EDT
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:44:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: oops :)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605221703.B3322-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: Jeremy Hyde: fuck off!
>
> D-Man wrote:
> > Whoa, wait, hang on. *The* Jeremy Hyde? The bad trade guy aka Susan
> > Moscardini? Did anyone else catch this? Am I thinking of the wrong person?
>
> That was Jeremy Haynes, wasn't it? Hmmmm . . . maybe he's changed his name
> again . . . to Chris Merlo :-)
Damnit, Graham! I told you not to tell! :)
----> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: Ytsejammer pictures > > I was doing some surfing and came across a page that has pictures of some > of the jammers who IRC. It is at http://www.duke.edu/~mjk5/dajam.html > > Talk about totally different pictures of what you actually think a person > looks like. > > Alternacrap, er I mean D-Man (just joking)-nice goatee...
She's lump, she's lump... What? Oh, hi. OK, tough guy, let's see what *you* look like. :)
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> From: Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: MLA Miasma > > >"That's...bad as shit!" > > If you're going to use someone else's lyrics, at least have the decency to cite > them. All of the DMB fans know that the passage is from "So Much To Say", > from the album "Crash". I'm not asking for MLA notation, but at least give > credit
And all this time I thought we were required to use APA!
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: 22 May 96 17:43:29 EDT From: Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@CompuServe.COM> To: dt <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Clarification Message-ID: <960522214329_102346.2730_HHQ59-2@CompuServe.COM>
>Chris Oates...you're wrong!!! Metallica didn't open the door for grunge at >all!! The Nirvana and Pearl Jam discs came out and were IMMEDIATELY popular in >1990....about 8 months BEFORE the black album cam out (which was in June of >1991).
Wrong. The Nirvana and Pearl Jam discs took a while to catch on: it wasn't until heavy airplay of "Smells Like Teen Spirit", that the Seattle scene broke through. Pearl Jam's "ten" had been out a while before it broke through. I picked it up before "Alive" or "Evenflow" were released as singles. I remember my junior year in high school, nobody had heard of them. They headlined a club, and then opened for Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the response was "Pearl who?" It wasn't until "Jeremy" (and the accompanying video) was released that they 'made it big'. This helped in obtaining a spot on the second Lollapalooza with Soundgarden, and RHCP. So, the PJ disc didn't become really popular until late 1992. This was the same time The Black Album (TBA) was doing really well. BTW, TBA came out on August 12, 1991. Do the math, and August 1991 is before late 1992. Whether TBA "opened the door" for grunge or not is a hypothetical question. I think grunge broke through because there wasn't any superficial BS that was accompanying the glam/hard rock/heavy metal bands at the time. The music was raw, the image was genuine, and angst is an emotion most teens can relate to. Hence, the grunge movement was born.
>The black album did nothing for anyone!
Speak for yourself.
>In fact, it was one of the last metal albums to hit the charts really hard before >alternative flourished (another late biggie was "Slave to the Grind" by the Skids). >The Black album was about nothing but radio play!
Whatever...Metallica spent a year in the studio and nearly drove the producer to therapy all for radio airplay? Watch "A Year And A Half In The Life Of Metallica" tape 1, before you make a comment like that.
>"Nothing Else Matters" is a crap ballad compared to "Fade to Black".....on all >levels.
In your opinion (sorry chase!)
>The Black album will be remembered for its radio hits, how many copies it >sold and legitimizing a Grammy -- because at least as many people heard that >album as people who heard of REM. Corporate rock finally got to measure >Metallica.
You're contradicting yourself: if people only heard the "radio singles", how could they have heard "Wolf", "Misery", "The God That Failed", etc. I don't think "So
What" ever received airplay in the countries that it was on the album with. As far as the masses go, according to the 1990 Census, there are 248,709,873 people in the U.S. Not all of them have heard, bought, or even know about TBA. Point of clarification over.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:08:51 -0600 (MDT) From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Clarification Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.93.960522160640.21514A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
I remember a concert on New Year's Eve in 1991 in the bay area....Chili Peppers were the headliner, and opening for them was that Tenn Spirit band....Nivana. That was how everybody knew them. On stage BEFORE Nirvana was a small band by the name of Pearl Jam who only played 5 songs....hope this perspective helps this split debate. Nirvana's Teen Spirit definitely hit heavy airplay BEFORE any Pearl Jam. ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> Adam R. Bertapelle "Scuse me...while I kiss this guy!" bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu Jimi Hendrix Ask for my bootleg list! Purple Haze
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:18:06 -0500 From: matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: i'm so combative lately... ;) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960522221806.006b486c@mailbox.neosoft.com>
>it, or the people that create it. some people on this list get over >critical about genres of music outside of prog/metal.
i agree. just enjoy it for what it is, not for what it's not. actually, i'm more critical of prog than of any other type of music.
>>what I mean? Lots of death metal, to me, is no tougher than Green Day and
yeah, ok, whatever, if you say so.
>why do i hear a fire starting somewhere........
don't worry, i'll restrain myself... ;)
>certain rythmn....... (that was joke. laugh dammit)
that's laughable. HAHAHA! there, i feel better. ;) (it's kinda like deja vu, huh?)
>Silverchair, Hole, Bush, Oasis, (snip, snip) >Faith No More, The Cranberries, Frente, >Green Day, Blind Melon, Rancid...
faith no more?!?! sorry but they've been around a LOT longer than those other bands. actually, their music, especially on the "real thing" album, is total jazz-inspired prog. i kid you not. give it a listen. it'd damn cool stuff. good synth player, too.
>What will the next wave be? I'd like to think Progressive, but somehow I don't >see it happening. First, it's an intellectual thing. Only a certain type of >person can REALLY appreciate prog.
that's so pretentious. i'm not saying there's not any truth to it, but it's still pretentious. ;)
>next. Maybe a few more generations down the road. Society will be more >educated by then. (Do I sound snooty?)
yes. ;) but then i've noticed that a lot of prog fans are. not that you are. i'm not saying that at all. but a LOT of prog fans have a huge holier-than-thou attitude about the music. "if it's not prog it is automatically inferior", and other assorted bullshit. that kind of attitude is unfortunate. hopefully you're not one of those people. but your post shows you have a rather tolerant view of things, so you obviously aren't. that is refreshing, to see someone at least do things in a calm manner for once instead of "my music is better than your music because i play in asymmetric time signatures...". how silly.
>Thanks to all of you who have sent your condolences. Your support means a >lot to me. > >Take care everyone, > >Jennifer ><airdance@aol.com>
i send mine as well. be strong.
take care, matt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n S U R R E A L I T Y dark ethereal music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:42:28 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'\"Metallica Mailing List\"'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Trevor Rabin Message-ID: <01BB483D.81B5C980@ppp140.GlobalXS.nl>
Elliott Kim said on Jam 1569:
> - Trevor Rabin, Can't Look Away. I won't make fun of Trevor Rabin ever > again!!! He's an incredible guitar/keys/bass player and singer too!
YEAH !!! Does anyone here know what he's up to these days ? He's not a YES-member anymore, right ? Well, you never know these days...
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos ! ________________________________________________________________________ Itchy (NOT Bitchy) Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org _/ \_____/ \__________________________________________________________ / /\ `, _' /\ \ / \___/ \__ \/ / p q \ \/ As a child [ / ~ ^ \ ]_ (,;)__Y_(:) I though I could live without paint, | ) d__b ( |_ \ " \__/ / without Zorro... (Metropolis-Part I) (/(_-('')-_)\)_ ___\______/_______________________________________________(..)____(..)__ "Save the whales, collect the whole set."
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:49:01 +1000 (EST) From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CRATE G80XL Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960523084804.17865A-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
If anyone on this list owns a CRATE G80XL amp (combo) could they please e-mail me.
Thanx - Brenden
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:54:58 +1000 (EST) From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1568 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960523085117.17865B-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
> >generation of death metal led by Sepultura, Korn, Fear Factory, Type O > >Negative.
Korn and Type O death metal - no way. Sepultura - they stopped being a death metal band after ARISE - masterpiece of an album.
See ya - Necrobutcher
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:14:19 +1000 (EST) From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: death singers -- arrrrrgh!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960523090803.18357C-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
> (I know you don't care). I believe that whatever your style, your voice is > an instrument as long as you think of it as an instrument, i.e. you take > care of it and are aware of parts of your body that make the singing > actually possible and non-random. If you don't care about how you sing, if > you don't try to shape your voice, whatever the style, then you should not > consider yourself as making use of an instrument.
Right on dude!! Maybe some of the people on this list cannot handle or appreciate death metal because it is too extreme for them. And good on that person (Anna I think - hail!!) who brought up the fact of people trying to sing like that themselves - it does take practice to work out how to do it without getting a sore throat. To experience an album where the voice is used as an instrument check out OBITUARY's "Slowly We Rot" or "Cause of Death" - alot of it isn't vocals but gutteral sounds!! Who said FAITH NO MORE was grunge - no way!!!
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:27:50 +1000 (EST) From: "BRENDEN R. THOMSON" <s875983@student.gu.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DEATH!!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960523082040.16563C-100000@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
> > To whomever it was that didnt think Death's SYMBOLIC was any good.. > > Ill have to agree there, but if you would like to take another stab at > the musicianship check out, Individual Thought Patterns.. I didnt care > for Symbolic either.. but ITP is Fuc*ing unreal! Guitar work from Andy > LaRouque (sp?) is killer,
There was a couple of good tracks on SYMBOLIC. ITP - yeah alright - check out "The Philosopher"! What about HUMAN - great album "Lack Of Comprehension"!! - I can't comprehend man....
See ya - Brenden
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:57:32 -0400 From: DSteele78@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: When Dream and Today Unite Message-ID: <960522195731_307518046@emout14.mail.aol.com>
I just purchased a copy of When Dream and Today Unite and am willing to re-sell it for $25 the same exact price Mike Bahr is selling it for. If their are any buyers in mind for this disc email me personally and I will get in touch with you.
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:35:32 -0500 From: matt rosin <grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1571 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960522223532.006c6e80@mailbox.neosoft.com>
>What about Atheist? For all the ones who think that Mike Portnoy is TOO BUSY, >listen to the second Atheist album, Unquestionable Presence. No rhythm, just >fills ;-)
it's veryu creaitve music, though. very jazzy. almost has to be called "jazz-metal". now THERE"S a term. ;) too bad they broke up.
>Anyway, Gene Hoglan proved on Death's Individual Thought Patterns that he can >also play complex, not only fast (Dark Angel). Listen to Out Of Touch, or >what ever it's called. BTW, has someone seen him after his diet? I have met him >1991, I think, with Dark Angel, and he was - erm - huge.
he's literally lost like 200 pounds, and i do not exagerate. i hung out with the band for a while earlier this year, and he has slimmed done quite a bit. a LOT, actually. it's very impressive that an individul can have the sheer will power to lose that much weight. it's a true tribute to his character. he is a truly cool individual.
re:cynic--- >Awesome band. Sean is so precise... well, they all are. >The death growls are kind of hard to get used to, but at >least a lot of the vocals are synthesized (neat!).
well...not really... they have other singers doing that stuff. most of that is just heavily processed to give it the otherworldly feel that it has, but it's not synthesized from scratch, if that's what you meant.
>I think the reason there are so many single variations >is that it artificially (in a sense) increases how well >the single is doing in the charts. Corporate bullshit.
that's true, but it's also true that some strategies do better in differnet parts of the world. while it's true that you can capitalize off of having lots of different types of single for one song, they're also tailor-made to fit the tendencies of each market, be it the US, europe, or japan. not that isn't a money issue, because there is...
regards, matt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n S U R R E A L I T Y dark ethereal music ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ grosin@mailbox.neosoft.com http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:06:44 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Attention New England Area Jammers!!! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605222055.F3322-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
The idea has been kicked around of holding an informal YtseCon in Boston sometime this summer. I think this'll be cool as hell. You know, hang out, drink lotsa beer, listen to DT, trade boots, jam, whatever. If you think this sounds cool and might be interested in attending, e-mail me at d-man@dreamt.org or cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu. I want to get a general idea of interest before we start getting kegs and such.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:46:10 -0700 From: bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Moran) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT International Fan Club, Helloween Message-ID: <199605222246.PAA16110@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>
Well, a year after sending my request for info on the fan club, I just received it. I was wondering if anyone is a member and if so, is it worth the $15 and what do you receive. I was also wondering... Someone mentioned a Helloween album with a bonus disc including a KISS cover tune. What is the name of this album and is it available domestically in the US?
Incidentally... just picked up the 1st GC album. I remember the video for "I'm Not Amused" from '91, but that was all I heard. Thank God I bought the album... and for $4.99 you can't beat it.
Anyone that can help, please e-mail me privately to avoid taking up space on the often-already cluttered jam.
Thanks.
craig
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:33:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuph ...... Message-ID: <199605230033.UAA05818@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey all ...
Pat wrote: > Skadz has long hair and doesn't have the looks of your typical computer > nerd.
Shaddup mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn I AM A COMPUTER NERD AND A HALF :) Seriously, even though I spend way toooooo much time in front of my machines, I am not your typical nerd :) I'm a long haired college dropout who knows a little too much about computers :)
Candlebox ... pure rock band ... don't even dare call them alternative.
I saw a few other bands including KMFDM included in that list too. KMFDM is NOT alternative. Try industrial :)
Is it just me or is Van Halen just perfect summer music???
Later Skadz
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:01:20 -0400 From: Jane & Roger Goff <jnrgoff@capital.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: METALLICA THREAD Message-ID: <31A3B8E0.4301@capital.net>
Someone wrote in that the BLACK album came out in 1991 with Nirvana and Pearl Jam coming out in 1990. Check those release dates... Nirvana and Pearl JAm came out AFTER the BLACK album in 1991. Also, neither was a huge hit right away. Nirvana popped in 1/92 and PJ later that year.
BTW, I really hate the new single but I knew I would 4 years ago... BEST BET: the new album will sell over 1 million copies the first week. Noone has done that yeat, athough PJII came close at 930 thousand. Remember you heard it here first!
On a DT related thread, the RUSH tribute record is set for release 7/24. That date may change. The Jethro Tull tribute will come out 7/3. Both from the fine people at Magna Carta.
Roger
"Torches? Check. Lighters? Check. Ready To Flame Me Away? ..."
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Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:28:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Soundgarden, Metallica, and a guy named Jose Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960522202307.15812A-100000@comp.uark.edu>
Jammers,
Okay, somebody mentioned the new Soundgarden album and every so often we'll get a Soundgarden reference on the Jam, so I hope this isn't too far off base.
Anyone with the new Soundgarden album: How is it? I've got Badmotorfinger and Superunknown and like both of them... but IMO when Soundgarden played on Saturday Night Live they just blew goats. Those tunes they played just bored me... did I not listen/watch closely enough, or is the whole new album just full of filler songs that exist to take up space but don't actually accomplish any sort of emotion or such?
New Metallica: Thumbs up from me, but it's gonna get *way* overplayed most likely... I've heard it about 5 times in the course of 2 days at work. Definitely gonna buy the new album when it comes out, even though I don't expect anything on the same level as Justice or Puppets.
DrX -- aka Death
Btw: I can fly... I really can.
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