YTSEJAM Digest 1575
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/23/96 - 08:25:20" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1574
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
3) haveing gooder gramer
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
4) ARE THERE ANY JAMMERS IN ARIZONA?
by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
5) Your mission Jim... should you choose to accept it.
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
6) BBAKA
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
7) Stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
8) Re: Death, Cynic
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
9) Re: MP; pet peeve
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1574
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
11) What is prog?
by akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch
12) King's X Question (NDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDT)
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
13) Mission Impossible:
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
14) Check out this band... feedback wanted! (NDTC)
by "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1572
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 03:23:50 EDT
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 00:58:53 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1574
Message-ID: <199605230758.AAA13586@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
>>BTW anybody notice how throughout all their CD's there has been a
little girl, a little boy, a teenage boy,<<
Maybe this is a salute to Michael Jackson!
Scott Cook
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:06:52 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: haveing gooder gramer
Message-ID: <199605230806.BAA20181@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken MacLeod)
Subject: Pet peeve
I know not everyone on this list has this problem, so I'll not
address my comments to everyone. However, if this is your problem you
know who you are.
[blah, blah, blah]
Get it right (not write or rite, by the way). If English is your
native tongue, you have no excuse for not being able to write (not
right or rite) a coherent sentence in it. If English is a second
language for you, and if you didn't already know, now you do.
Sorry for the outburst,
Bracken
**************
Sorry if we're not all english majors! My grammer isn't very good and
my punctuation is even worse, but in the words of the Anti-Nowhere
League: So Fucking What! Life's a bitch; wear a helmet!
Scott Cook
not Cooke, or Koch, or Kook. If you didn't already know, now you do.
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:08:30 -0700 (MST)
From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
To: ALL THE YTSEJAMERS <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ARE THERE ANY JAMMERS IN ARIZONA?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960523010321.15842A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
you know, i wonder if steve from tucson and i are the only dt fans in all
of arizona! if there is anyone else who lives in arizona (especially the
phoenix/tempe area PLEASE let me know. i feel so alone
:(
"She can turn a drop of water into an ocean"
---Dream Theater
The Music and The Man Behind it:
EYE OF THE VORTEX
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:13:28 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Your mission Jim... should you choose to accept it.
Message-ID: <199605230813.BAA01002@bud.indirect.com>
Damn, when you live from dusk till dawn, you have a lot of time
to see movie premieres... :)
They definitely should have had Dream Theater do the soundtrack
for Mission Impossible. I think they've proven they can do it. The poppy
MI theme they had was acceptable, but inferior.
As for the movie itself, it had a lot of hype to live up to, and
it couldn't possibly. It's a good movie in its own right, but not THAT
good, not IMHO as good as Twister (which was only above average), not
even as good as some of the stuff from earlier this year. The writing
wasn't bad though... you really were guessing until right near the end,
when Ethan (Cruise) puts it all together.
But the real news here is ID4! I saw the trailer for it before
the film, and holy shit, this movie looks intense. If it's even one iota
as good as the preview, it's the movie of the year hands down. ID4 looks
like a groundbreaking film that may well be compared to Star Wars... at
least until the new SW films arrive in 2 years. Can't wait till July 3...
Take it easy everyone!
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:23:46 +0200
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BBAKA
Message-ID: <9605230823.AA01365@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi all!!!
Scotchman@aol.com wrote:
>I must also jump on the bandwagon and join the BBAKA (the Bernd Basmer
>Ass-Kissing Association). My copy of Superior's behind [snip]
WTF?!?! :)
I'm happy you like the CD but the BBAKA was a little too much,
don't you think? I won't share my ass with anybody! :)
>I especially enjoyed sucking the
>chocolate coating off the CD-- I think you guys may have stumbled upon a
>groundbreaking new marketing ploy! Mmmm-mmmm.
Hehe, next time, I'll spoil some beer over it... :)
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 04:24:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605230458.D5974-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
> Subject: Metallic sounds, 1991
>
> Damn, I'm starting to sound like I know the release date of every CD I own.
> And, you know what? I probably do, at least for most of them. Sigh. A
> couple years ago I could give the title and date for all 15 Queen releases
> off the top of my head, and I could prolly still do it with a bunch of head
> scratching in between. Why di I collec these facts and yet I cannot manage
> to remember to wake up in the damn nmorning?
I can rattle off useless Rush information like the alphabet, but I still
have trouble returning phone calls. Go figger.
----> From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch) > Subject: Musicians, MP, PMU, B.L.A.H. > > And no, your CDs are ok, the PMU ending is reminiscent of "I Want You (She's > So Heavy)" from The Beatles' Abbey Road album. Just for the effect. And I > still like the real ending they play live better!
OK, here's a question. Someone (was it you, Mirth Mobile?) once tried to convince me that live endings to PMU have more beats or something than the studio version. I just don't hear it. What I hear is a much more accentuated ending, stronger drum hits and such, but I don't think there are any extra beats in there. What's up with that?
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> From: Phillip Scott Kish <pkish@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu> > Subject: Awake Tour, Other Stuff > > What songs has DT played live since Awake came out and how did the Awake > songs sound live?
All of 'em, and they all rock. Try to get your hands on the electric version of The Silent Man if you can. In the immortal words of Augie, "The Electric Version of The Silent Man Rules!" (Jack T., what's MLA form for quoting IRC, do you know?)
Wait, maybe I misunderstood you. They've played all of Awake and I&W. WDADU, on the other hand, they've shied away from.
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> From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1571 > > Hey Anna: Guess what-we're not alone here!!! DT ROCKS!! I too wish there > were more female DT fans nearby!!!
You're not the only one. :)
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> From: Scotchman@aol.com > Subject: I Hate AOL. Beach. Choco-Behind. > > Whenever I see that AOL commercial on TV, I get the urge to reach through > the screen and brutally throttle that smiling fucker and shove all those > freakin' free AOL disks up his shitter. Like I want help on my golf swing, > you BITCH. (I have been SUCKING down the crack lately... can you tell?)
Never would have guessed, Scotch. :)
> And just for the record: "Me too"
LOL!
> 3. Four words: Gwar on the beach. 'Nuff said. (Ultimate Frisbee doesn't > get much more surreal. "Well, that was fun! Let's eat!")
I didn't even know they knew how to play! :)
> But all this is why we must, someday, have Ytse-Beach Week. It'll be like > the MTV Beach House, only better. I'm sure Trey Allen can get some > Ytse-Speedos made...
ewwwwwwww
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Death, Cynic Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605230140.B16423-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Wed, 22 May 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > incredible! Don't worry, DT is my fav. band. I can see how some cannot get > into Chuck's voice, but if you are a trained Death metal fan, you learn to > tune him out =). I don't own Symbolic because I heard that SD was not on That's certainly not hard to do. I'm not too crazy about vocals in any form of music (especially opera) and I've gotten to the point where the vocals barely register any more. So, if any of you out there think Death fans thrive on the growling vocals, think again!!!!
> though. I am curious if any 'jammers have rocked to the bands Sadus, Cynic, I haven't heard any of the other bands you mentioned, but I love Cynic's "Focus." Sean Reinert is just a drumming prodigy. The guy's got so much talent, and his playing keeps switching from a jazz feel to a metal feel. I love it!!!! The only reason I got into Death was because I was looking for more of his stuff (I bought "Symbolic" by accident, became a Hoglan fan, and eventually bought "Human", which features Reinert). I recommend both albums to any drummer, especially if you like to be awed by dazzling double-bass- and cymbal-work.
Younis Hilal
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 02:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MP; pet peeve Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9605230249.C16423-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Thu, 23 May 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> are-vocalists-musicians-thread. Look what Mike Portnoy said some weeks ago: > > Q: Is James involved in writing the music? > A. No, I don't think he ever will be, it's just because he's not a musician. > [...] He doesn't play another instrument, so I don't think he really can > contribute to the music... > Q: Wasn't he a drummer? > A: Yah... and I'm a piano player ;-) Was Portnoy being sarcastic here (as if he were responding to a rumor) or not? I couldn't tell for sure, and I've never heard of him playing anything but the drums.
> And no, your CDs are ok, the PMU ending is reminiscent of "I Want You (She's > So Heavy)" from The Beatles' Abbey Road album. Just for the effect. And I I also heard that the ending was Portnoy's idea. Guess we now know where HE got it from, him being a Beatles freak and all... ----------------------------------------------------------------- > There (as in "over there") > Their (as in "their second album") > They're (as in They're over there") > > Get it right (not write or rite, by the way). If English is your native > tongue, you have no excuse for not being able to write (not right or > rite) a coherent sentence in it. If English is a second language for you, > and if you didn't already know, now you do. I hear what you're saying (I think) about typos and grammatical mistakes being a pain in the ass to read through. But it's not like all these errors are typed by people who are deliberately ignoring all spelling and grammatical conventions. A lot of times, it's just a mistake. When it is deliberate, it's usually because the poster is in a hurry or too lazy to type everything and wants to abbreviate, or because the poster is just drunk (or stoned) out of his/her mind (grin). In either case, I think the errors are justified.
Younis Hilal
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:57:49 +0100 From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1574 Message-ID: <adc9dda800021004d354@[128.178.99.18]>
>Look what Mike Portnoy said some weeks ago: > >Q: Is James involved in writing the music? >A. No, I don't think he ever will be, it's just because he's not a musician. > [...] He doesn't play another instrument, so I don't think he really can > contribute to the music...
I can't fuckin' believe he really said this!! Wow!!!!!!!!
Re: Seth Hatlelid wrote about Skolnick and
I'd definitely recommend Testament's "Practice what you preach" album. On a more thrashy note, you've got "The New Order". What they did after "Practice" is not worth mentioning, really...
>>1. Is it me or is the little girl on the cover of I&W holding a miniature >> version of the mirror on the cover of Awake? >> > >It seems to be so... how mighty observant of you:) BTW anybody notice how >throughout all their CD's there has been a little girl, a little boy, a >teenage boy, an old man, and a young man(the reflection)? Well then that >means that the next CD will either have a teenage girl, a young >woman(yeah!), or an old woman... waddaya think? > >>2. Is it me or is JP using a talk box at about 11:54 (don't quote me on >> the time) of ACoS? >> > >I believe that is a wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah pedal
and I believe I should bring to work a CD player, all my DT CDs and Videos, and a VCR!!!!?
Seth again:
> I need some help with a band situation. I just put a band together >with some VERY good players. We are trying to write some prog metal but >the problemn is the keyboard player. He is a VERY talented soloist, but he >has never played in a duet much less a band. The net result is his timing >is atrocious. He will actively ignore the drummer/bass(me)/metronome. We >have tried for some time to teach him to feel the kick drum, but he can't >grasp the concept of tempo. I need help! Do any of you know of a way to >teach a person to understand basic rythym? I've never seen our drummer get >so angry! I don't want to replace the keyboard player because he is a good >friend, but if he can't get the beat I'll have to drop him. It makes it >VERY difficult to write a song when a band member can't synchronize his >tempo with the rest of the band, even in common time! We can't get past >the opening riffs! Somebody please help!!! > Forget about straightening this out in rehearsals. IMO, he should get it straight by working by himself, or as a duo with a member of your band (the angry drummer, maybe?), like the bassist, with preferably a metronome. Not jamming on your songs, but very elementary rhythmic exercices. I experienced an out-of-rhythm guitarist years ago. We tried to correct it during rehearsals. Needless to say, it didn't work. We had to part ways with him. Good luck anyway.
>Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:49:29 -0500 (CDT) >From: Phillip Scott Kish <pkish@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Awake Tour, Other Stuff >Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960522233949.42152B-100000@tiger4.ocs.lsu.edu> > >What songs has DT played live since Awake came out and how did the Awake >songs sound live? >All this discussion about not putting IMHO and IMo is stupid. Of course >what you write is your opinion. I don't waste my time putting that crap up.
I've heard all apart from "Scarred" and "SDVest". The AWAKE songs sound fuckin' heavvvy!!!! IMOs: you're so right. One must assume what one writes as being his (honest or not, who gives a damn) opinion.
Sorry for the xtended bandwith,
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"Holding on is easier than letting go" Fates Warning ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:08:16 +0100 From: akyuz@mxsg1.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What is prog? Message-ID: <adca034700021004c452@[128.178.99.18]>
Hi there its me again (can I hear some "oh no"s out there?),
While we're talking about tags (see the death metal thread) here, I thought I'd try to throw this thread in (I was thinking about this way before Charlie mentioned it) the jam:
W H A T I S P R O G ????? (Mojo, don't say anything...)
What criteria do you or would you use to define a band as being prog? Here are some ideas to getcha started:
- having a synth or other non-rock-conventional instruments; - doing weird rhythmics and/or chords; - long songs; - jazzy influences; - being or sounding technically outstanding.
Please note that I wish to make a SURVEY out of this (closing June 30th), so answer me if possible privately.
Hope you follow, because I find the subject interesting. I mean, we all say "prog" like we breathe, but do we really think about what it means?
Later,
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"Holding on is easier than letting go" Fates Warning ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X Question (NDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDTCNDT) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960523082527.19658A-100000@frogger.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> If you're expecting Dogman, Part 2....you'll be disappointed, but > if you're looking for the King's X we all know and love...you'll like it.
So what you're saying is that Dogman was not really representative of King'sX? and....because that's the only album I have of that band, I should try another??? Specific details (sent to ahtrap@umich.edu) about the earlier stuff would be appreciated........
ahtrap yayhdapohkum
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:37:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mission Impossible: Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960523093330.281A-100000@bert.eecs.uic.edu>
Hey all!
I went to see that MI movie last night with a bunch of friends. It turned out to be pretty good. Anyway, everyone was raving about the U2 version of the theme, so the first thing I did when we got home was to put in Subconcious track #9. A couple of people actually liked it!
Bye! Glenn
"Maybe your wife can explain the reason for my indecision." -- CD
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Date: Thu, 23 May 96 09:32:09 EST From: "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Check out this band... feedback wanted! (NDTC) Message-ID: <9604238328.AA832871146@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
Hey all, I've recently taken on the responsibility of booking and promoting my friend's band, and I wanted to point all ytsejammers in the direction of their temporary web site. This is by no means the final product, mind you... the band is in the middle of a name change and everything is pretty much on hold until they decide on a new name. This site is something I just threw together quickly in order to showcase some audio clips. So anyway, if you'd be so kind, please check out the site and download the song clips. I have a feeling their sound will appeal to a lot of DT fans, although they probably wouldn't be considered progressive for the most part (the song "Rain" contains some parts in 6/8 and 7/8). I won't try to compare their sound to other bands, because I don't want to color anyone's opinion from the start. Here's the URL. Send me some e-mail afterwards and let me know whatcha think! The guys would really dig the feedback: http://www.wildstar.net/~inhuman/ Lying bleeding in the dark, Jeff jeffrey_hochberg@ccgateway.amc.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:39:07 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1572 Message-ID: <v01510102adc9f02ef56d@[137.238.26.12]>
>Does anyone know if Candlebox is playing in the New England area this >summer? I would love to see them...I guess I was one of the few who >enjoyed them on the Counterparts tour.
Keep your eyes peeled for club venues. I just heard on our local radio that they are playing in Rochester, NY in a couple weeks. So chances are they will be traveling your way in a month or two.
-BABS
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