YTSEJAM Digest 2015
Today's Topics:
1) Re: CiaW single?
by Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
2) DT Fan Club Packet, Rush Concert (Slight Spoilers), Neil Peart's Comments
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2014
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
4) Re: fan club
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) What's wrong with being wrong
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
6) new DT CD?
by John McCabe <caber1@concentric.net>
7) My thesis...
by John McCabe <caber1@concentric.net>
8) Re: Mike Portnoy clinic in Dallas (& other stuff)
by "(: Nicole or Ken :)" <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
9) TTT demo, LATM, and other DT content
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2014
by Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com>
11) WDAJU
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
12) NY Jammers, please help
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
13) What the paycheck is for...
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
14) Die with your boots on.
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
15) The power of community
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
16) New Survey!
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
17) Re: CiaW single?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:01:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>, ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: CiaW single?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.961111145943.2737D-100000@eehpx43.cen.uiuc.edu>
It's just got the edit and album version on it. I think that's what
everyone else's has. It the US release. I think they might not have had
an official release of the single since i havent seen one yet. only
promotional copies. can anyone confirm this?
Ed
Chat with: talk polzin@isr1165.urh.uiuc.edu
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
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On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> At 08:10 PM 11/10/96 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >I have a promo copy of CiaW so i know that it exists. Maybe it wasnt
> >released in the US or something.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> WHat other songs does it have in it? like demos or something?
>
>
> We Can Learn From the past..but those days are gone..
> We can hope for the future..but there may not be one...
> DREAM THEATER: A CHANGE OF SEASONS
> WOWOWOWWWWWW hoooo wowoW WOWWwwwwww hoooo -Devin Townsend
> Email: Calfaro@Caribe.net
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 04:16:15 -0800
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Fan Club Packet, Rush Concert (Slight Spoilers), Neil Peart's Comments
Message-ID: <3287190F.3F65@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
I haven't posted in about 55 jams, (or a couple of days, who is
counting?) <grin> Just a few things of note to bring up:
DT Fan Club Packet
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Thanks to Neil for finally getting the fan club in order. His takeover
has finally set things straight. Great stuff inside, a copy of the
Images and Words zine, an autographed poster, ACOS promo card, and lots
of teasers for future things. Anybody who hasn't joined, get off your
ass and sign up!
Rush Concert
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I saw Rush at the US Air Arena in LAndover, Maryland. It was the best
concert to this date by them that I have witnessed. It beat the shows
from the last four tours! The video is finally in synch (it took them
six years!) and the playing was incredible. Natural Science and 2112 (in
its entirety) were the highlights for me. These guys are so damn
impressive!
Neil Peart's Comments
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OK, in some of Neil's interviews in the past he has been quite abrasive,
it could be that this is just another of those. I personally don't see
why Rush should even care about the tribute album, I have kept to my word
though and I haven't picked up Test For Echo because of their view
towards the artists on Working Man, for whom I have a great deal of
respect. I still think the whole situation has to do with the band's
dislike for popularity/fame. I always get the feeling that they just
want to perform and not be concerned with being the idols of thousands
and thousands of people.
Later,
Mike
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WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:33:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2014
Message-ID: <199611112133.AA19716@metronet.com>
somebody asked about boot with gc singing with dt.
as far as i know, most if not all of the summer '93 dates where
gc opened for dt had the guys on ttt. also, they joined the band
for ttt in housotn on 11/18/94. those were probably all the times.
there are many many tapes of these summer '93 shows, and some of them
are on cd. there is also a good video from san fran 6/5/93 i believe.
the DAT of 11/18/94 with them on ttt is pretty good, too...
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
<>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>
"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free.
Everything that is contradictory creates life."
-Salvador Dali, 1980
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><><>< http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst/ ><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:33:47 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: calfaro@caribe.net, Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: drnewb@mo.net
Subject: Re: fan club
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961111213347.006d8434@mail.inlink.com>
At 07:59 PM 11/10/96 -0800, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
>At 02:10 PM 11/10/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>i sent my check around a month ago, and recieved everything two days ago.
>>couldn't be more happy :) patience man.
>>
>>
>cool.what did you get..exactly? :) email me privately please :)
>
i'll post this to the jam too cuz some people want to know...
just what it says in the info, a welcome to the club letter, the latest
issue of images and words, a bitchin' ACoS sticker (this is real good
quality too, superb) and a promo glossie signed by the band. wooohooo.
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:41:48 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What's wrong with being wrong
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961111214148.0068a22c@ici.net>
>That's all I have to say, find a new premise and continue your argument :)
Y'know, I hate the way these "legality" arguements always seem to get nasty.
I used the comedy bit as such: a funny example. What happens? Someone brings
in the Hitler bit.
I get the impression that no matter what premise I use to support my
arguement, someone is still going to insist that it isn't wrong: I could
have proof that bootlegging causes the death of baby seals, or depletes the
ozone layer, or anything like that, and I'd *still* get the reponse "But
that doesn't mean it's *wrong*".
Look, I established that it is against a contract to bootleg, and that it is
against the law to bootleg. If people still want to insist that that doesn't
make it wrong, there's really nothing more to say. Our values must be too
different to have a meaningful debate.
Don't get me wrong - despite the position I've presented, I'm FOR the
distribution of live recordings. :)
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Vicious Rumors - "Word Of Mouth"
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:41:46 -0500 (EST)
From: John McCabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new DT CD?
Message-ID: <199611112141.QAA17530@cliff.cris.com>
Craig wrote:
>>Hey of any of the bootlegs is there anyone containing a drum solo? I'd
>>like to kick ass in my stereo with a drum solo by Mr. MP :)
>>Kain
>Ytsejam on WDAJU has an abbreviated drum solo. Very cool.
Oh is must be Mike Bahr's newest CD "When Dream And Jam Unite" :)
John
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:16:32 -0500 (EST)
From: John McCabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My thesis...
Message-ID: <199611112116.QAA08163@cliff.cris.com>
PissCockRut wrote:
>I'm not pointing fingers, but this is something that I take major offense
>to:
>The act of referring to today's youths as the members of generation X.
Why? Do you define yourself by saying your from generation X? How can you
take offense from this!?!
>This is just not so. The youngest generation X-ers are 19 this year. The
>cutoff date to be in generation x was 12-31-77. I am a member of the real
>generation x, and I have only smoked one bowl in my life. I hated it, so
>i did not continue on that sidewalk along the road to self destruction. I
>don't even know what the name is for the current generation. I just know
>that their attention spans will have to lengthen by about five hours to
>even compete with x-ers. They're the antithesis of the true x-er. None
>of them even know who "the Defender of The Universe" was (hint: VOLTRON).
Well not to rain on your parade or anything but I don't exactly fit into
your little generation X time-line(by a year and half). And no I don't do
drugs. How would you know about my short attention span. Have you been
spying on me when I'm listening to ACoS? or a movie that lasts 2 or more
hours? or when I'm reading a Brian Lumley book(which are on average about
500 pages), which are longer than most TV guides(which is probably the only
book you regularly read). And about that Voltron question don't worry I
watched that show too. I guess since I watched that show my attention span
is as long as yours is.
>So, I cast my vote in this sea of cyber humanity that we come up with a
>provisional "ytse-title" for the members of the current generation.
>--I think it should be generation I. for two reasons:
>1) they only care about themselves and their (baaaaa) individuality, hence
>the "I."
How about me or myself? Or even fucknut? :P
>2) let the I as an initial stand for their collective ignorance.
Or maybe I should stand for Incredible, Incorrupt, Increasing in time, or
even INBRED! :) Maybe I'll call you I for Incorrect.
>By the way, I don't dig Korn either.
That's nice...
>DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
>-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
>C-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
>TC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC
>DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC-DTC:
Notice how DTC paragraph is longer than the question.
>wHAT HAPPENED TO THE STRING ABOUT THE DEMO VERSION OF TTT VERSUS THE
>rELEASED VERSION??
It isn't a string it was one person commenting on it.
>I'd like to know the input of others.
You need to get a hold of yourself. First off the above is to show you how
dumb your post was. Now I know your new to jam because otherwise you would
know that some posters are under 19. And being one of them I don't like you
making fun me by my age. Because it just shows *your* ignorance. I don't
really care if you take offense by someone calling me a "X-er" because you
know it has *nothing* to do with you. And also what gives you the almighty
right to said you're better than someone else. I was reading(yes people
under 18 read) a book by this minister. And he was talking about how why do
people have to put down other religion to better your own. While you know
your suppose to get something what of books that you read. And this is what
I get out of it. Don't compare yourself or anything related to you by
anything else, and you'll always have an open mind, and you won't be
offending anyone else.
John McCabe
caber1@cris.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:50:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: "(: Nicole or Ken :)" <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy clinic in Dallas (& other stuff)
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.961111154139.7865A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
>
> Whoa, about us sending the record label our letters asking for a double
> cd, give us the addressssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Kain
I'm assuming that DT will stay with the same record label Eastwest
Records America Division of Atlantic Recording Corporation. If I'm right
(and I have no real way of knowing :) they can be reached at
Eastwest Records America Division of Atlantic Recording Corporation
75 Rochefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10019
..or so it says on the back of ACoS :)
-Nicole
P.S. email me for copies of my little survey! :)
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* Net boy/ Net girl/ Send your heartbeat 'round the world... -Rush *
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* Think for yourself and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet -QR *
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* Bumper sticker of the week: I'm so broke I can't even pay attention! *
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* Nicole Stachowicz email: stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu *
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:53:24 -0700
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TTT demo, LATM, and other DT content
Message-ID: <s287406f.009@IOMEGA.COM>
Jam alongs,
Sorry, that greeting sucks, but I never know what to call all of
you-maybe just a HEY will do.
I got lucky last Thursday and ran across the German version of
LATM. As you know, it has Surrounded instead of Another Day. What I
was wondering is, is the booklet different than the Japanese version?
It definitely was cheaper-$16 as compared to $27 for the Japanese.
While I was at short circuit city, they had restocked on TSM single.
As far as I know, it's still there. If anybody wants it, I'll go get
it. Cost is $10 +postage, I guess about $2. I don't know, I've never
mailed a CD before. Email me on this if you want it (stand back,
here comes a flood of mail). Or, someone could trade something else
for it, I'm open. Of course, I haven't bought it yet but I think
it'll still be there. LATM was there for over a month and I still got
it. There aren't too many DT fans around here that I know of.
Speaking of TSM, the TTT demo, someone said they didn't hear the MP
'screwup' on it. Maybe I should've said timing error. It is during
the bridge just before 'I can see much....' It may not be an error
but it sounds like he dragged his kick drums there. Or maybe not.
Spock's Beard would be a great opener for DT. I have the CD and,
although it is very different from them, think it's one of my faves.
Also it is because they are so different from DT that I think they
would be very good as an opener. They're still very much prog just in
a different direction.
Our server is 'just being a dick' right now and is telling me it's
nearly out of space. So I guess I'll go home-and space :>
Wilmo
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Date: 11 Nov 96 17:02:40 ES
From: Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2014
Message-ID: <9611112202.AA01372@smtp.discovery.com>
Does anyone know how I can get a copy of the Majesty demo ??
Ctotten@Discovery.com (Discovery channel)
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:13:12 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WDAJU
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961111221312.006eba6c@mail.inlink.com>
>
>>Ytsejam on WDAJU has an abbreviated drum solo. Very cool.
>Oh is must be Mike Bahr's newest CD "When Dream And Jam Unite" :)
>
he's actually referring to a bahr cd i believe... When Dream and Today
Unite was originally titled When Dream and James Unite :)
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:42:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NY Jammers, please help
Message-ID: <199611112242.AA06072@crl13.crl.com>
When I was at LaGWARdia Airport the Sunday after Ytsecon III waiting
for the bus to Jamaica Station, I saw a band emerge from the terminal
and wait for their band to drive up, then they loaded their luggage
and stuff into it and drove off. I never quite got up the courage to
ask them who they were, but damnit, I'm still curious. :)
Could some of you NY folks check around and see what fairly-major
bands were playing in the area that night, or maybe Monday? Seemed
like there was one white guy (looked a bit like Charlie Benante from
Anthrax) and the rest were black. They'd have to be semi-major
because they flew in, as opposed to riding in their tour bus, and the
van was a new-looking rental van. They had a very "tour"-looking
chap, presumably their tour manager, with 'em.
This would have been Sunday October 13th, possibly Monday the 14th.
Thanks!
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 14:55:52 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: What the paycheck is for... Message-ID: <199611112256.OAA02366@pawn.ax.com>
Heather decreed the following in Ytsejam #2012:
><The way I see it, the band is making money from the actual >performance.>
Here's the thing that gets me, though... How come I pay for a ticket, my right to admission, but I can't tape anything or take photographs, even if it's solely for my own use? Didn't I buy the right to that experience? There are other businesses that allow me to create mementos of my visit for personal, non-commerical use.
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking) O/ \O
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Die with your boots on. Message-ID: <199611112257.RAA18993@cliff.cris.com>
Richard Warren wrote,
>>statement, though, was that I don't see the band as being owed a cut from >>the bootleggers. Their payment is based solely on their immediate >performance. > >This is not true..... >All of the songs are copyrighted material so the artist is entitled to >compensation EVERY time the songs are played, printed, etc. Organizations >such as ASCAP and BMI are responsible for collecting royalities from radio >airplay, public performance (covers at clubs), etc.
Ahh, good point. I stand corrected. I was under the impression that those rights pertained to the *particular* recording being played. Does that mean RUSH gets royalties every time a cut from Working Man (the tribute) gets airplay? How about every time a "bar band" plays a cover-tune on stage?
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Mark Metzger commented,
>I have long been a proponent of what Fish does (former singer for >Marillion) to please diehard fans and combat bootlegging. After basically >every leg of each tour, he puts out a double live CD of one of the better >shows of the leg. That's right, that means a new double live CD about >every nine months.
That's cool, but for me, if I knew that each of those releases were widely available, my frame of mind might become less enchanted about purchasing them. One thing that keeps the hunt for bootlegs exciting is the fact that they are hard to find, and many are in very limited quantities. Gives a certain feeling of "Je ne sais quoi" (sp?) for having obtained one of these rarities. But the good thing is that the quality would be consistent.
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Pat Sullivan stated,
>If it's illegal, then it's wrong. Bootlegging is illegal, therefore it's= > wrong.
No. Definitely not. But Anton Max already took care of this one.
And regarding the definition of "bootleg" according to what has recently been posted, then yes, I'll agree that recording shows and distributing copies is indeed "bootlegging", contrary to my earlier claim. Which brings me to the central aspect of the topic. We understand the contractual aspect, we understand the ASCAP/BMI aspect, we understand that it's illegal, but.......
Is anyone really being hurt by bootlegs?
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As an aside, allow me to comment that although I seldom find myself caught up like this in threads, I'm pleased to see how pleasantly each dissenting opinion has been presented. A controversial, yet low-stress thread. :-)
Now Playing: Deee-Lite, "Sampladelic Relics & Dancefloor Oddities"
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/ /*************** ytse@cris.com ****************\ \**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/ /********* University of Florida *********\ \***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 15:07:57 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The power of community Message-ID: <199611112308.PAA02720@pawn.ax.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #2014
>> Let's do it! We pulled it of for ACoS, didn't we? Let's show them >> the power of the YtseJam (power trip, RAH!!!!!) >> >What? I'm pretty new on this list, but what did this list have to do with >ACoS?
Bert, Bert, Bert! Go read the liner notes of ACoS, right now! :)
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking) O/ \O
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:48:32 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Survey! Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961111174552.15907A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Hi everyone, I've decided to do a survey. Everybody email me ASAP with a= =20 listing of the top five pointless surveys of the year (yes, you can=20 include this one). Remember, don't respond to the 'jam, instead send all= =20 the lists to d-man@dreamt.org Thank you all for your time.
=20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:56:32 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: CiaW single? Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961111185609.5703C-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> It's just got the edit and album version on it. I think that's what > everyone else's has. It the US release. I think they might not have had > an official release of the single since i havent seen one yet. only > promotional copies. can anyone confirm this?
I can. It's only a promo release.
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