YTSEJAM Digest 2063
Today's Topics:
1) Christmas Shows
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
2) Re: Fates (soundtrack question answered)
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
3) Save the planet, kill yourself
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
4) Nevermore (NDTC), silences on CDs, that old man...
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
5) Speaking of Maiden...
by greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee)
6) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B4bout?= Country
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
7) River's Edge and Bridge (NDTC)
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
8) Fan club
by Jan van Huizen <aurora@wirehub.nl>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2055
by smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
10) Blue Skiesssssss
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2061
by "James Abraham" <omman@uit.net>
12) Re: Iron Maiden, Lemur Voice, Savatage, Yes
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
13) YtseBirthdayCalendar !
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
14) handing Bafu asbestos boxers...
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
15) H A P P Y T H A N K S G I V I N G ! ! !
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:26:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Christmas Shows
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.961128112504.186A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
What audience size will DT be playing for at the Christmas shows,
approximately?
(No, I'm NOT asking about D-Man's bra size here, I'm asking about how
many people will be there).
:-)
Graham B.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:34:15 +0000
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates (soundtrack question answered)
Message-ID: <RIJ$cDAHbYnyEwq3@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In message <1.5.4.16.19961127170258.34efe990@pop.pipeline.co
m>, "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com> writes
>So, did you like my breaking Fates news? I just had to send it out right
>away from my aol account. Anyway, DaBigMan asked about the River's
>Edge
>soundtrack. The song "Kyrie Elieson" (or however the hell you spell that) is
>on "The Spectre Within," widely available on cd and cassette. The version
>on
>the soundtrack is identical. Why waste your time and effort looking for an
>obscure soundtrack?
Is this the same song as the Mr Mister single or just the same title/
By the way its latin for "may the Lord guide me".
-- Gary Cleghorn Toon Army Rules------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 96 14:30:12 +0100 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Save the planet, kill yourself Message-ID: <9611281330.AA00273@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
after a week of reading about Iron Maiden (yuk), who's got tickets for Birch Hill (not me, whooo), and Bafu's gender-bending shredding theory (very tongue in butt-cheek), it's time for me to provide some musical input. No Dream Theater content, but nonetheless three albums that some of you may find either appealing or appalling (my CD dealer has just sold his Porsche and now drives a Rolls Royce).
Anathema - Eternity
This album sees the band evolving further in the direction that they took on 'The Silent Enigma'. Very clean vocals, mostly melancholic music, but with some very catchy riffs. If you like gothic/doom, you should treat your ears to this.
The Garden Of Delight - Scheoul
The new one by Germany's premier gothic band. The mix is very dark, with guitars floating in and out, heavy bass lines and symphonic keyboards that don't go over the top. These guys have definitely got their own special sound, but the influences of 'Fields Of The Nephilim', 'Joy Division' and 'Sisters Of Mercy' cannot be denied. This could be one for you if you like well-produced atmospheric gothic stuff. Am I the only Jammer who listens to this band?
Sentenced - Down
Finnland strikes again. This lot used to be death metal but they now play what I can only describe as melodic metal. Very good arrangements, and deservedly album of the month (together with Anathema) in the latest German edition of Metal Hammer. I first picked the CD up because there was a sticker on it that said 'produced by Waldemar Sorychta', and what can be better than that? Perhaps Dream Theater might like to use him.
Question time: have any of you cyber kiddies heard of a band called Autumn Tears? Any info gratefully received.
Incidentally, I got the subject line from the home page of the so-called Church Of Euthanasia. If you think there are some wierdos here on the jam, then go check out this bunch.
OK, more next time. Looking forward to Cathedral/My Dying Bride on Sunday, and eagerly awaiting albums by Spocks Beard, Ulver and Heavenwood in the mail.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Sadist - Tribe
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 15:15:44 +0100 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nevermore (NDTC), silences on CDs, that old man... Message-ID: <v03007800aec34cb751f4@[128.178.99.94]>
Hi y'all,
Got the "Politics of Ecstasy" the other day. Cewl as hell. Two questions:
1) WTF is the 5 minute silence in the last song? Does everyone have that or is it just the European pressing? Reminds me of Iron Maiden's "Phantom of the opera" or Sepultura's last song on Chaos AD. Does anyone know of any other song wtih a long silence? I know Mr Blow (or was it Cage) -postmodern classical music- had composed a "Silence in 4 mouvements". 6 minutes or so long. Hahha. That guy's crazy. He died.
2) Notice our old chap from Sanctuary's "Into the mirror black" makes an appearance in the liner sleeve? In fact it's just a copy-paste but it was cewl to see hiom again. Does anyone know anything about him? He was also on Fates' "Perfect Symmetry", "Parallels" and also posed for Metallica, right?
Four CDs (why always five, anyway?): - Nevermore "The politics of Ecstasy" - Vicious Rumors "Word of Mouth" - Vauxdvihl "..." (damn: forgot it again) - Coroner "Grin"
Take care,
............................................. D A V E K I N G b a s s & v o x M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:13:35 -0500 From: greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Speaking of Maiden... Message-ID: <9611281513.AA101303@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
Speaking of Iron Maiden...I used to have a lot of Maiden on cassette in the 80's and haven't been a really big fan in the 90's, however, I picked up the "Best of the Beast" double CD set a while ago...I am totally back in to Maiden again...The book that the CDs are packaged in is really cool, complete with an Iron Maiden family tree describing the complete coming and going of band members past and present...
Great CD purchases lately:
IM - Beast of the Beast Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes (thanks to 'jammer recommendations!) Rush - TfE Steve Vai - Fire Garden.
I bought all at once and got one of those well-aren't-you-the-diverse-buyer looks from the cashier. I guess not many people but Tori and Maiden at the same time...
Greg, Toronto.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 96 16:51 NFT From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B4bout?= Country Message-ID: <m0vT8ko-0002fCC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi all, Please stop bashing about Country-music. I guess no one here is really into that kind of music, so the discussion is off-topic, IMHO. More or less the same went with the Kurt Cobain-thread. I just want to say that we can't be so close-minded and condemn a complete musical category. For some people this is IT, let them have it. We've got our, right? I recently saw the Blues-Brothers-film, and I remember when the BAND came to Bob's Country Bunker and asked about what kinda music they usually have. The woman replied: "Ooh, we have both kinds! Country AND Western !" That was all musical influences she had, so stop wearing her mask! B-sides I guess quite few of us can tell the difference, I know I can't. Ok I'm finished, keep on jamming...
>> Of course I make a sweeping generalization in my characterization of the >> typical country fan, but -- what the hell...country sucks and its fans >> are mindless simpletons! > >I wouldn't go as far to say that, but most of the guys are heavy >drinkers. Most of them work as either construction workers, farmers, or >truck drivers. Some of them do all three. The women sit at home all >day making those stupid little crafts that we all think suck. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Henrik Gustafsson henrik@thn.htu.se Quality deployer +46(0)520-47 50 49 [fax +46(0)520-47 50 99]
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 16:21:33 GMT From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: "Andy Moog - 90's kind of guy" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: River's Edge and Bridge (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961128111947.2dcf8fa0@pop.pipeline.com>
One of you people out there with too much time of your hands made the logical stretch that since Fates Warning was included in the River's Edge soundtrack, the movie must be good. Or something to that effect. Well, let me give a little capsule of this fairly horrible movie. Lots of big stars: Dennis Hopper, Keanu Reeves, Ione Skye, and Crispin Glover. (Yes, McFly) Hopper is a fake leg-havin' drug dealer freak. Reeves and Glover are teenage, Seattle-area-livin', headbanger/stoners. They listen to Slayer, Hallow's Eve, Fates, etc. Therefore the semi-cool soundtrack. Some guy kills his girlfriend at "the river's edge." They don't turn him in to the cops. Everyone goes and checks it out. Cool. Smoke some dope. Reeves' little brother is a pain-in-the-ass. You have never seen worse acting than that put forth by Reeves and especially Glover. That guy is really, really freaky-weird. Interesting side bit: this was the first of two movies starring Reeves and Hopper. the second? Speed. These two movies are about ten years and a million miles apart. ****Segue alert**** And over the river, in Seattle, there is a band called Queensryche....
Spiff asked about the "Bridge" single. There are at least two of these. Part1 and part2. One of them has some live tunes, "Lady Wore Black," Damaged," and "the Killing Words." The other has "Dirty Lil' Secret," "Real World," and "Someone Else - Full Band Version." I think there is yet a third version with more live tracks. I only have two. Part one is an English Import with the live songs. I don't have part two. The other one I have is a German import, with the studio tracks.
Have an extra-crunchy Thanksgiving.
Kevin
GO PACKERS!!! GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 18:14:10 +0100 From: Jan van Huizen <aurora@wirehub.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fan club Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961128171410.0067331c@mail.wirehub.nl>
Hey Neil Eliott,
Can you please send me the details on how to join the fan club ? I hope it's not too late for the special "present" at Christmas :-)
Sorry for the non DTC.
Euhh .. rorrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaa
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:25:12 -0600 From: smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2055 Message-ID: <199611281725.LAA04864@nic.data.net.mx>
>Subject: PRIZE of a Cd. >Message-ID: <3299B423.18DD@zeus.utanet.fi> > >>>um..any Sam Goody's,Musicland,Specs Music,Tower Records have basically that >>>same price on cd's.. every DT cd..and most other cd's have cost me 17.99!.. >>>except Rush-Exit stage left that cost me 13$ > >>i would kill myself if i ever was confined to shop at one of those ripoff >>stores. i pay 5-10 dollars per cd, used places are great, look around your >>area. > >Well, now I don't anymore wonder how you can have those huge record >collections :) >Because, here (in Finland) average new cd's prize is about 26.5$ >It's same where you buy it. Variation is not more than 3-4$ >Example DT: Awake 28,67$ but Van Halen's Best Of Vol.1 22$ (it's offer)
Hi guys, well here in Mexico you paid for a regular CD in Tower Records or Mixup, like $150 pesos more and less $19 dolars. But you can get a better price, in fact i bought yesterday de LEMUR VOICE and G.HOEY new cds For $125 pesos, $15 dolars...
See you Omar Rodriguez
PD LEMUR VOICE ROCKS. Marcel the guitars are awsome.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blue Skiesssssss Message-ID: <199611281750.MAA23854@optical.mindstorm.com>
Hey All ...
First lemme just wish everyone a happy thanksgiving :) No drunk driving now :P
This whole Bafu thing.... Well, Steve and I talked about this once. (I'm allowed to call him Steve because I am the moderator :P) I think the best explanation is that you cannot expressive emotions very clearly in email messages. I know even on the irc channel, you can't always tell when people are being sarcastic or whatnot because you can't see the expression on their face or hear the tone of their voice. I think this is the biggest reason bafu and others end up getting flamed and misunderstood.
Birch Hill gathering ... Well, as long as we know these places exist still (HI D-Man!!!), then we should definately chose a place. The only small problem I see with TGIF is that it is the kind of place that is usually real organized in seating people and whatnot, they don't want a bunch of black clothed long-hairs coming in and out and stirring up alot of trouble. So I think maybe that someone (not me PLEASE) should maybe get a list of people together who want to meet there and we can all meet outside beforehand and all head in somewhat together and just get a bunch of tables in one area or something. (anyone know if they take reservations? Heather?) Maybe we could get an estimated number together and try to reserve a whole section (MAKE SURE ITS IN SMOKING :) or something. Someone either mail me or the jam who wouldn't mind gathering names and we can set up and time and see if we can get the place reserved. Sound good???
The Subject. Anyone heard this song? Blue Skies by BT with Tori singing? Cool stuff.
Today begins a real hectic month or so for me. Between going to Vegas, 3 DT shows, Christmas and New Years, its gonna be real crazy, but hopefully should be real real fun. I'm really looking forward to seeing all you crazy people again and meeting new ones. It's real scary that the last time I saw some of the people on this list was almost a year ago, it seems like yesterday. ("We met Dream Theater" -Skadz Dec 1995 :)
Congratulations to Mike Bahr, I wish you the best :) And send me an invite to the real wedding :) I would love to come to AZ and chill for a bit (and leach some CDs ;)
The IRC Server. I know it has been dying alot lately overnight. I think I figured out (and hopefully fixed) the problem. It should stay up until I get back. If it doesn't, I will put it back up once I get back to Boston, so don't email me :P
Well, I think that's all for now. Have a Happy Thanksgiving all and I will talk to you when I return from Vegas.
Skadz
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:32:25 -0600 From: "James Abraham" <omman@uit.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2061 Message-ID: <199611281823.MAA10104@dns.uit.net>
>Oh sure, pick the one and only DT tune I CANNOT stand (somebody must have >tipped you off on that - alright who on this list was the leak?).
you know I used to not like that song too well until I've been put in the situation I'm in now. I'm in a long-distance relationship and have been for over five months. As time progress it seems like it becomes harder and harder for us to see each other. We have to plan further in advance, we have to plenty of permission (both of us are still in high school). And even though we;ve lasted this long through our letters, tapes, and phone calls, it seems like there are some people who still aren't too optimistic for us. Four simple lines sums up the entire situation: "Beginnings get complicated The further we progress Opinions are calculated Immune to openness" So suddenly innoncence faded suddenly has a lot of meaning for me. I've come to the conclusion that Dream Theater is the soundtrack to my life. Somehow or other, the guys at DT know what's happening in my life, what has happened in my life, and what will happen in my life, and converted all of this into their songs. Does that sound arrogant on my part? I don't think so. I think all DT fans have experienced this feeling at one time or another, the feeling were you realize that every single song DT has ever written (or at least that you've heard) is related to you and your life. At least that's how it's been for me... -James
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:00:22 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Iron Maiden, Lemur Voice, Savatage, Yes Message-ID: <199611281902.MAA16055@cyberhighway.net>
> As for Maiden being prog, I'm sad to say that I wouldn't be able to spot > progressive music unless someone pointed it out to me. I honestly don't > care if a band is complex, with lots of time changes etc. If it sounds > good, I'll like it. It just so happens that a lot of the bands I like are > prog, but it's more because they sound good than for the genre they're > placed in.
Well, I've got all of Maiden's and Bruce Dickinson's albums, live and studio, and I still haven't figured this one out. To me it seems to change with every album that they write. Methinks that if you want to refer to them as prog, you would have to refer to Powerslave, Seventh Son or Somewhere in Time a bit more than others. That seemed to be their experimentation period. If you ask me, though, I find more progressive tendencies in Iron Maiden songs than I do in Rush songs, but that's just my opinion.
> Currently listening to Streets (Savatage, natch). I bought Handful of Rain > on Monday, not bad but I'm starting to like Zachary Stevens a bit less. > He's got a nice clear voice, but it's not very powerful, not much passion. > I think I prefer Jon Oliva (although I've only heard him on Streets and the > two tracks on DWD).
I realized this, too, the other day. Zach is a really great singer, but he doesn't get into the songs like Jon does. I was singing along to Alone You Breathe in the car and actually got bored singing it the way Zach does. There's alot more he can do with the songs if he just plays around and throws some dops and lulls in there. I wouldn't count him out yet, though, he did bring in those madrigal harmonies. :) > Can anyone tell me what's on the 'Best I Can' and 'Bridge' singles (by > Queensryche)? Thinking of getting them from CDnow, but I don't want to have > to pay lots for songs I already have... but then I paid $14.95 Australian > for the Silent Man single - the Take the Time demo sounds pretty much the > same as the proper version (although a teensy bit with James singing a > different note or something - can't recall exactly - is cool) but Eve is > absolutely lovely. I want either Eve, A Change of Seasons or Someone Else > played at my funeral - I think I'll pick ACoS, just to make the funeral that > little bit longer...
Best I Can if I remember had the studio and radio mixes of the song and an acoustic (live?) remix of I Dream in Infrared. There was another song on there, too, but I can't recall. I was going to buy this, but the place wanted $35 US for it, I said screw it. Four songs for $35 is a ripoff. Bridge is the I Am I 2 single with Bridge on it instead of I Am I. the other songs are: Dirty Lil' Secret, Real World, and Someone Else? (Full Band Version). It's a great CD for the price!
Laterz! Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 20:48:14 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: YtseBirthdayCalendar ! Message-ID: <01BBDD72.B1C7EB60@Kira.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Well... I'll try to hide my dissapointment over the fact that only 35 people entered my Dream Theater poll... Although, there's still a *chance* 65 people will enter before the closing date, December 1st ;-)
Just check out the temporary results on my homepage, and vote if your favourite song isn't in the top-10, or whatever... :-< _____
Anyway, you guys might remember D-Man's idea to set up a YtseBirthday calendar, a few months ago... Recently, someone brought up such a thing on the Marillion list, and I took it upon myself to maintain it...
I immediately asked D-Man for the birthdays that were already sent to him by some of you Jammers, and he mailed them to me [thanks D!].
To make this thing really interesting, I need a *lot* of people to check it out and submit their nick/name and birthday using the little form beneath the calendar. If you don't want to, you don't even have to enter your birth *year*... Just the date will be sufficient...
You can also enter your e-mail address if you want people to congratulate you with your birthday, and/or enter your homepage URL if you want people to "visit you" :->
Btw... new "MFP"-lists coming soon, on a homepage near *you* !!!
Mark _______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`) All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/ ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ Maintainer of the Freaks, Ytsejam and Voices "Most Frequent Poster Lists" http://www.prognosis.com/itchy http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: handing Bafu asbestos boxers... Message-ID: <199611282045.MAA08650@acme.csusb.edu>
Jammerz, especially those of you who have been spending a lot of time hammering bafu:
LAY THE HELL OFF!!! I thought this list was based on at least two things other that DT: 1 Freedom to your opinion 2 Freedom to express it.
Knocking someone else's thoughts is not considered opinion. It is considered forcing your opinion on someone else. To those who think that's cool, go piss up a rope.
One of the main reasons I've been around for these first 150 jamz (woo hoo) is Bafu's humour. I'd be willing to bet that he's into Monty Python, like me. My point is, we're all supposed to be kindred souls here (not the kind that worship LM Montgomery), united not by a cause, but an interest. I'm no bad guy, and I don't claim Papal Infallibility (the guy who used that is never gonna hear the end of it), but I do know that there are better ways for us to focus our energies than fight. debate discuss and argue are okay, but fighting is senseless between friends.
"What's so civil about war, anyway?" --W. Axl Rose (eat me if you think i shouldn't like G'N'R)
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. I&W 2. Toy Matinee (s/t) 3. Adrian Legg "Guitar For Mortals" 4. Supernatural Fairy Tales (prog boxed set) 5. Kansas "Leftoverture"
--ProgRockBoy
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 96 17:58:46 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: H A P P Y T H A N K S G I V I N G ! ! ! Message-ID: <329e27331e9d002@cliff.ou.edu>
... To all, American or not. Today is gratuitous food day, one of the few holidays that isn't all screwed out of its original meaning by blantant commercialism or rampant religious overtones.
It is the only holiday I relish (pun intended), although my favorite is Halloween.
I suspect I have just contributed to the unrelated content that has been overflowing the jam. It seems that when people are confronted by a lack of noise, they babble on to fill up the silence. I think that this happens online too, judging from the lack of DT activity and the amount of totally unrelated postings. What would happen if we only got one jam a day that didn't have a lot of junk mail in it? Would people freak out? I know I depend on a certain amount of crap in my mail box, and feel bad if there isn't at least a flyer from a local church or a misdelivered letter. An empty mailbox makes me sad!
Oh well. Someone start posting lyrics from original material, let's have the critics step out of the closet and get some good technical discussions going relating to literature for a change.
Jazz
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