YTSEJAM Digest 1900
Today's Topics:
1) What up?
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Re: www.dreamtheater.com
by Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1899
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
4) LEMUR VOICE CONCERTDATES IN THE NETHERLANDS
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
5) Copyrights on names
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
6) Re: 1993 England
by YTSE-TODD <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu>
7) re: Rush Sucks
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
8) Ralph Guitar Maccio and Vai-ing for attention
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
9) Mindcrimer
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
10) Re: Rush tour dates
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
11) Yanni etc.
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
12) Portnoy clinics
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
13) latm
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1898
by "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl>
15) www.dreamtheater.com
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
16) Freaky! (Re: I Caved)
by Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu>
17) Re: Con attendees (or lack thereof)
by Brian David Anderson <bda109@psu.edu>
18)
by Rick Harris <fargo@brown.edu>
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:37:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What up?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961003093656.2659C-100000@bdmserver>
Looks like I got unsubscribed.
I resubscribed and it did not say that I was already subscribed so what
happened?
No jams for 3 days....
is the list up?
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 09:40:03 -0500
From: Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: www.dreamtheater.com
Message-ID: <214056.ensmtp@tanagraphics.com>
I too checked out the dreamtheater web site. It is pretty cool
But that's knid of lame that the name of their company is Dream Theater.
I think we all should flood them with flaming e-mail.......also,
Let find out how long they have been in business........
Who came first......DT or DT?
Later,
-Raf
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 06:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1899 Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961003064305.13940A-100000@noc.cerf.net>
> Next, I saw Tony MacAlpine this summer. He is the most incredible >guitarist I've heard. A speed demon with the clearest sense of melody >since I don't know who. He also improvs all his solos which makes the >fact that they sound written all the more incredible. Mike is also one of >the best drummers I've heard live. He took a ten-minute drum solo in CA's >The Edge and brought down the house. See these guys. They're amazing.
Geez.. all this and you didn't mention the bass player.. Ricky Wolking is a monster bass monkey.. He plays in a band called ShockHead from San Diego when not doing Tony's solo tours (gotta make money ya know). Last year, he was voted Los Angeles' best bass player. I've never seen anyone play like him.. he's got it all... chops, groove, and the ability to know when NOT to play much.. but give him a little room and look out.. He really reminds me of John Myung. The first time I saw DT, I was really there to watch JP and take the whole thing in.. but the guy that really blew me away was JM. I play guitar (19 years now) so was more interested in JP, but I just could not ignore JM. Most bass players, when they start to play something fast tend to get a bit sloppy/muddy, but not this guy.. geez.. I don't know how someone can play so smooth, clean, and fast with the strings being so fat, and far apart.. with a guitar.. it's not hard, but damn.. he rocks..
Ok.. enough ranting.. back to questions.. Does anyone know if DT has decided on a new producer yet ?? And when are they slated to hit the studio full-time for the new CD ?
-Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:07:00 +0200 From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LEMUR VOICE CONCERTDATES IN THE NETHERLANDS Message-ID: <199610031507.RAA26725@spider01.cobweb.nl>
Hi there,
just wanted to let everyone on this list know our concertdates for the Netherlands, Here they are:
sunday 20 oktober - Fenix, SITTARD, start: 21:00. entree: =83 7,50 friday 01 November - Zeppelin, WEERT, start: 21:00. no entree. saturday 07 December - Exit In G, LANDGRAAF, start: 21:00. entree: =83 10,00. friday 17 January - Blokhut, ROTTERDAM, start: 21:00. (together with the band "FOR ABSENT= FRIENDS") I don't know what the entree will be.
Okay, thanks again to everyone who bought our CD, as far as I know do some people have problems whit getting the album in some places or country's. The CD can also be ordered directly at Magna Carta. Here is their E-mail address:
Just write them and ask them how you can get a copy. They will help you.
Okay, about my visual music thing,it was LIE, not a Lemur Voice song (haha, some people might think I only can write our own songs down, haha.) Here is one, actually this one is from LEMUR VOICE, I really am curious if someone figures it out, it is a guitarlick: daa daa doo = da. daa doo doo daa doo doo daa doo doo doo doo doo
Okay, let's see.
That's it for now, oh, does anyone know how to get Dream theater icons for Windows 3.1 (I still work with the old stuff). And I am still looking for guitarinstructional stuff from all shrapnel-guys, please will someone really help me with this, It seems allmost impossible to get.
Till later,
Marcel Coenen LEMUR VOICE
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:09:36 -0400 From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Copyrights on names Message-ID: <0010200003722013000002*@MHS>
>Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:15:10 -0500 >From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> >Subject: www.dreamtheater.com
[snip]
>I hope this doesn't turn ugly in the copyright department... the web >company already has all these elaborate logos and designs and things. I >don't think they can both coexist with the same name, you know? > >Better tell Mike P and the Boyz to start brainstorming new names... > >Scott.
Actually, different companies/organizations can have the same name as long as they aren't in the same business. Some of my friends are having serious problems with this sort of thing right now. Their company provides network services somewhat akin to CompuServe and registered for a name when they went online. Between the time they applied for the name and got it officially registered, a long distance company adopted the same name with registering it. Even though calls to tech support start the same way, "I'm having trouble getting my calls to go through." the two companies are technically in different markets. So my friends can't legally force the bastard long distance company to change its name, although negotiations are under way to reach some kind of agreement.
The point of all of this? Breathe easier. We won't have to start using a 3rd name for the best group of musicians you'd ever want to meet. Unless, of course, they *want* to change their name.
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!" - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com bkirk@blkbox.com Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:24:34 -0500 (CDT) From: YTSE-TODD <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 1993 England Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961003102334.19885B-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
i just read the faq file and i was wondering why james walked off of the stage and mike had to sing the end of surrounded. could anyone xplain this to me?
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:24:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Rush Sucks Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9610031133.A217121-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>
>I'm gonna bash on Rush for a minute... > > THEY SUCK! > >OK, that's all. > >P.S. Their music is good, their choice for tour locations licks my >sack. (Sorry.) I can't believe they're not playing any shows in the >Northwestern US whatsoever! Now I'll have to drive all the way to >California in my 1967 El Derado Callilac convertable. HOT PINK! >With whaleskin hubcaps, and all leather cow interior...(flame away, >you lucky bastards'll get to see 'em!) > >Fumin'
Now where does Rush come in? What are you driving your Cadillac to California for? It can't be Rush if they suck, right? Most people don't go to such trouble to see something that sucks. Anyway, Rush has plans to go back on the road in the spring. They might hit the northwest then. Also ... if anyone knows where and when tickets to Rush go on sale in Boston (and how to get them), please let me know. Thank you.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:37:20 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: Yste Spasms <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ralph Guitar Maccio and Vai-ing for attention Message-ID: <3253DDAF.2781@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> You're kidding, right? If I ain't mistaken, all the guitar parts in that > film were done by Stevie and Ry Cooder. I believe it was Mr. Cooder playing > Machio's parts. Imagine, the Karate Kid outplaying Vai? Heh. Yeah, I was kidding. It was actually the first time I had seen the movie. It was enjoyabe, though. It's a good thing Stevie's not like that in real life. I could see it now, Joe and Stevie start wailing on each other. Johnson, scared, simply ignores them proceeds to steal the audience away from them both :)
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Boston area Rush concert go-ers: I haven't seen Rush in years. I think it's time to be finding my way. Have they sold out yet?
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 18:43 DFT From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mindcrimer Message-ID: <m0v8qrm-0002jdC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi, there
I don't wanna upset you, but I wonder if someone could send me the statement of MINDCRIMER (QR). I had I&W lent to a friend, but now it's back, so I wanna check his well-articulated (Note: I don't agree!) opinion.
Eerr. Pleaseplease go privat! We don't wanna screw up all those flamers again, do we? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Henrik Gustafsson Quality deployer
henrik@thn.htu.se +46 (0)520 47 50 49 (fax +46 (0)520 47 50 98)
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:53:50 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rush tour dates Message-ID: <199610031651.JAA03645@ichips.intel.com>
>I'm gonna bash on Rush for a minute... > > THEY SUCK! > >OK, that's all. > >P.S. Their music is good, their choice for tour locations licks my >sack. (Sorry.) I can't believe they're not playing any shows in the >Northwestern US whatsoever! Now I'll have to drive all the way to >California in my 1967 El Derado Callilac convertable. HOT PINK! >With whaleskin hubcaps, and all leather cow interior...(flame away, >you lucky bastards'll get to see 'em!)
No flames here. I can only hope that this second leg they're hoping to do in the spring will bring them up our way. I really hope so, because they never got anywhere near Portland for the Counterparts tour (did they even go to Seattle? I don't remember).
I'm not too optimistic considering that Ged and Niel (and Alex?) have said they don't want to do any more long tours because of the strain it puts on their family life. I hope that doesn't leave us out in the cold (alas, I don't have the luxury of driving to California simply to watch a concert).
ObDTC: I really hope that DT comes our way, too (assuming, of course, that the new album is released this century). They've packed the Roseland for the last two tours, but my cynical pessimism always seems to come through in situations like this. =)
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:59:00 -0500 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yanni etc. Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0002B25B@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>>Can anyone tell me more about this "Yanni" I've seen mentioned on the Jam? I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music so you can e-mail me priv. and give me some pointers on him?/her?/Them?!
Yanni is a Greek/American keyboardist/composer who best fits into the NEW AGE atmospheric genre, somewhat like Vangelis or Kitaro, but more on the 'pop' rather than progressive side. He made a 'Video' & CD recorded live (w/orchestra & progressive instrumentalists=his own backup band) )at the Acropolis in Athens(?) Greece a few years ago that gets (at least here in Fresno, CA) airplay on PBS, especially around pledge break time. Can get boring/monotonous at times; the video features some very good progressive violin (ABA in the style of J-L. Ponton and Eddies Jobs (UKE/Thro Tulle 'guest artist')) particularly the 'dueling violins' between the band's progressive violinist and the orchestra's conductor. Yanni is married to Linda Evans, US TV actress, for all you trivia buffs.
The local PBS station has also shown one hour+ 'videos' by Sting, Kitaro, Moody Blues (live at Redrock(s?) near Denver, CO, the same place that U2 recorded 'Under a Blood Red Sky'; not the best MB, they're getting a bit old & w/o P. Moraz), ELP's 'Welcome Back' retrospect+Black Moon tour (awesome live performances & interviews) & Michael Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells 2' (also awesome, particularly if you know the original Tubular Bells & consider the fact that MO plays almost all the instruments on all his studio work; MO also did a live version of the original TB ~20 years ago; the studio TB2 was co-produced by Trevor Horn (Buggles/Yes). Both live versions of TB & TB2 were performed by MO (mostly the lead guitar parts) and a large contingent of other musicians/vocalists (including an actual Scottish bagpipe/drum band on TB2). If you check the Disney Channel listings, they occasionally broadcast 'The Private World of Peter Gabriel', a live recording, which beside PG, also features Tony Levin (KC/ABWH/Yes) on bass/stick.
Also on DT: Again:
Does anyone out there know more of the history of Majesty's 'Oliver's Twist' and the instrumental of 'Eve' on SFAM, beyond the info provided by the great one, Mike Bahr.
Sorry if some of this is repetitious, but I wrote on these subjects some time ago. I think some Y'Jammers might enjoy some of these other TV broadcasts.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:04:28 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Portnoy clinics Message-ID: <9610031704.AA01993@jason.qc.ca>
i just saw on the official web that Mike Portnoy will do clinic until november 17th. That's means they will not be in studio until the 17th.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:09:32 -0600 From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: latm Message-ID: <m0v8rHi-000RNcC@mis01.micron.net>
who is that that yells right before Bombay Vindaloo? I think this was a thread before but I didn't have it then so I didn't care. Is that someone on here?
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:26:11 +0100 From: "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1898 Message-ID: <m0v8riV-000DoIC@parijs.tip.nl>
Hey Hi, Ytsejammin Internet Abusers,
In Ytsejam digest 1898, Tim Spear wrote:
> i wanted to organize a britcon, but not alot of people seemes > interested..(theres no chance of DT showing at it anyhow!) > a few people have mentioned amsterdam, would be cool in my book.. > perhaps u-daz could organize it!
OK, here's the deal. I have already mentioned on my homepage some time ago, that I think it would be kinda cool to organize a Eurocon.....
Only thing is, I have absolutely no organizing talents whatsoever, so if any European jammer could help me out with it, would be cool. About the 'to-be' location, I definitely vote for Amsterdam, for it's kinda Europe-Central.... Anyone any thoughts about that? (yeah yeah I know I am from Holland, but don't you all agree that Amsterdam is a very cool place to organize such an event?)
All in all, I can say that I'd love to organize a EuroCon, but I need people to support me (ideas, money, connections, talent (organisational) etc) Anyone who is interested can drop me an e-mail about it, and we'll see what happens...
Later -=U-dAZ=-
----------------------------------------------------------- 'I was blinded by a paradise' 'Utopia high in the sky' 'A dream that only drowned me' 'Deep in sorrow, wondering why' (Dream Theater) ----------------------------------------------------------- Under A Cyber Moon Website http://www1.tip.nl/users/t198275 ----------------------------------------------------------- rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl judas@worldaccess.nl judas@dreamt.org -----------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: www.dreamtheater.com Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.961003134349.8370B-100000@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Maybe they are Dream Theater fans and they named their company after the band? Hmmm...that concept sounds a tad familiar...
Yours, Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*> <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*> <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:09:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Freaky! (Re: I Caved) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.961003130314.5074A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 02:30:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> > Subject: I Caved > > P.S. I finally heard the original version of "Funeral For A Friend/Love > Lies Bleeding" and was pretty impressed, both with the original and with > DT's cover. They definitely made the song their own by adding their own > special touches (especially MP). Too bad those background vocals couldn't > be pulled off, because they add a whole new dimension to the sound.
Someone explain this: I'm sitting in my room, reading this paragraph, and suddenly I realize that this EXACT song (DT version, of course) is blaring from my stereo. Yikes! Any explanations?
Later, DA Bigman
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 14:48:09 -0400 From: Brian David Anderson <bda109@psu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Con attendees (or lack thereof) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961003184809.0066d400@email.psu.edu>
> >And to anyone who's not coming because they think money is an issue..... > > > >T H I N K A G A I N ! ! ! ! :) > > > >Live a little, folks. I'm gonna be there. It's gonna be, like, kewl. > Yeah, what he said,
Seriously, if you haven't been to a 'Con before, and you're not sure about going . . . You Must Go!!!
I was at the 1st and 2nd 'Cons, and they were great. The 1st one was obviously cool, 'cause Mike, John, and Derek were there (along with their significant others). And they were really cool. Hey, my roomate and I got free DT posters out of the deal. (Mike brought a bunch of posters from their Euro tour, and they were raffled off) I thought it was the greatest, got to sit around and talk with the various 'Jammers, and the band, got to actually hear Mr. Myung say something! And you can't leave out the best part of all . . . getting to meet BABS! Woo Hoo! ;-)
Anyway, you should definately go if you can.
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:05:06 -0400 From: Rick Harris <fargo@brown.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199610031906.PAA15179@golden.brown.edu>
> > To the guy that wrote that Ralph Macchio plays better guitar than Steve >Vai in the movie "Crossroads", you'de better start reading the end credits, >because Ralph Macchio DID NOT play those guitar parts in the movie, A guitar >player named Ry Cooder played his parts in the movie. Also , I've seen Steve >live, and I'll tell you when he went into his solo piece, I swear it looked >like the entire audience was hypnotised, he has that kind of effect. Ralph >can't even play a guitar, he said so himself in an interview from around the >time that movie came out. >Matt
That's almost right. Ry Cooder, Steve Vai, and a classical guitar player whose name escapes me all combined thier efforts to produce the guitar tracks for Ralph Macchio's character. In the final showdown between Vai and Macchio, it was both Cooder and Vai who played the guitar parts for R.M.'s character (It depended on the style of what macchio played-- the bluesy, slide stuff was Cooder, the classical--rock piece was Vai-- I think.)
Rick
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