YTSEJAM Digest 1901
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Lighten up, baby...
by Carlos Alfaro <kurt@fgallery.com>
2) Extreme is no more!
by David Neff <dneff@maaco.com>
3) fire garden
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
4) A while ago...
by btomko@glasscity.net
5) VH Road Manager speaks
by Dark Helmet <skooc@earthlink.net>
6) Extreme de-funked (fwd)
by Dark Helmet <skooc@earthlink.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1898
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
8) terrible teds
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) dabigman's unexplicable phenomenon, and jam #s :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1892
by SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1893
by SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
12) All over but the crying... (fwd)
by Taco Belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
13) ytsecon
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
14) Where can I find Superior ?
by "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl>
15) The Glimmer Man
by SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
16) Lemur Voice and live recordings
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
17) Tool's AENIMA
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
18) cold stops
by Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
19) YEAH
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
20) ** New Ytsejam Tshirts **
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 14:56:08 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <kurt@fgallery.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Lighten up, baby...
Message-ID: <32540C48.230F@fgallery.com>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
>
> >Can anyone tell me more about this "Yanni" I've seen mentioned on the Jam? I'm
> >pretty open minded when it comes to music so you can e-mail me priv. and give
> >me some pointers on him?/her? (Doh!) /Them?!
>
> First, Yanni is male.
>
> hes also a very good musician..as far as im concerned..
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:18:16 -0400
From: David Neff <dneff@maaco.com>
To: "'YtseJam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Extreme is no more!
Message-ID: <01BBB13E.1DDDE270@W10148>
Yikes! I just heard on the radio that Extreme has officially
broken up!! This, of course, strongly suggests that Gary will
be joining Van Halen ...
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:44:27 -0600
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: fire garden
Message-ID: <m0v8thZ-000RKzC@mis01.micron.net>
I know I'm a little late, but this CD rocks! The instrumental stuff is as
good as he's ever done, and this boy can sing! The weeny track is cheesy,
though. So's the artwork. i guess you can't have your vai and eat him
too:)
Ytse and the Jam rule!
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:51:49 -0400
From: btomko@glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A while ago...
Message-ID: <B0000531935@home.glasscity.net>
A while ago, I wrote a post asking for information on Prog Nite I was
wondering if any of you would happen to know how a band would get a gig
there. (A Toledo area band expressed an interest when I forwarded one of
the replies to them) Any info would be appreciated.
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
Keeper of The Website at the End of the Universe
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/8243/index.html
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:59:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dark Helmet <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: VH Road Manager speaks
Message-ID: <199610031959.MAA23634@sweden.it.earthlink.net>
This was sent to the VH list by their road manager, Scotty Ross. This might
be of interest to us VH fans.
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 11:06:48 -0700
>From: sr5150 <sr5150@hooked.net>
>That the reason Sammy left is he wanted more money to do the GH ,
>Because 3 members had played on all the tracks , so he wanted the same
>amount of $$that they got!!!!(And he could not come to terms that DLR
>was in this band for 8 years prior to his arrival!)
> How about that it took Dave more than several tracks and alot of
>mixing to get the final product that you hear on the 2 newsongs,because
>his voice just ain't what it used to be!!!(those of you
>that saw him in vegas can attest to that!!)
>
> The reason you do not hear this in a response is because Edward, Alex
>& Michael don't feel it's the right thing to do !! But I'll say it
>because I was there And I'm tired of this Bullshit!!
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dark Helmet <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Extreme de-funked (fwd)
Message-ID: <199610032002.NAA23894@sweden.it.earthlink.net>
Sad day for Extreme fans, but great day for VH fans.
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Extreme de-funked
>
>Hello,
>
>Last night (Wednesday) at almost midnight, WNEW in NYC read a fax they had
>just received that Extreme had broken up. I guess we all know what comes
>next.
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:18:08 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1898
Message-ID: <325449B0.2B60@dreamt.org>
> An ACoS video would kick ass. There are plenty of ways to a movie
>to fit in those lyrics. :)
Who cares about the eMpTyV viewer? If they made a video out of ACOS, it
could be like The Wall, more or less a movie. Hells yeah!
later--------------Brian
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:39:13 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: terrible teds
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961003203913.0069db9c@mail.inlink.com>
> I just checked out "terrible ted's", (it wasn't that terrible) and
>There was a Dt- import: "when dream and day reunite". Any one have any info
>on that.
first of all, where is this place? a website? gimme the url :)
second- its probably just when dream and day unite, and they screwed up the
title on catalog. i know of one import place that calls it "when dreams unite"
anyways, if its NOT wdadu, and IS in fact a differnt thing, that would
seriously rock the everlasting nad :)
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:46:44 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dabigman's unexplicable phenomenon, and jam #s :)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961003204644.006a7fa8@mail.inlink.com>
>
> Someone explain this: I'm sitting in my room, reading this
>paragraph, and suddenly I realize that this EXACT song (DT version, of
>course) is blaring from my stereo.
> Yikes! Any explanations?
did you have bananas before you went to bed?
wowowie, we're already up to the 1900s..... shhiiiiiit :) we'll be hitting
the big 2112 in no time :)
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:34:15 -0500
From: SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1892
Message-ID: <19961003213414748.AAA166@SandS>
>I know Skid Row is exactly an innovative band, but what does everyone think of
>Sebastian Bach (nice name...)? I thought his tracks on Working Man were
>pretty good. I think he sings with a lot of conviction and would make a
>helluva frontman for a progressive metal band.
Hey, I forgot to send in a card for BMG, and they sent me Skid Row's
"Subhuman Race," and it's actually pretty decent. I was pleasantly
surprised. Sebastian does have a pretty awesome voice, and the playing is
pretty good all-around. Hell, my roommate paid full price for it, too! Go
to BlockBuster and have a listen. You might be surprised, too.
Shane Hunziker
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* Shane Hunziker 12625 Coursey Blvd., #1046 *
* SandS@mail.challenger.net Baton Rouge, LA 70816 *
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* "O come let us adore him, abuse him, then ignore him. No matter *
* what, don't let him be. Let's feed upon his misery. Now it's *
* time for them to deal with me." - Dream Theater, "A Change of Seasons"*
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:40:12 -0500
From: SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1893
Message-ID: <19961003214012082.AAA74@SandS>
>I know some of you people out there are married (or are planning to do so,
>or are living in sin with concubines etc. etc.), and I was wondering whether
>any of you have problems with your spouses/lovers/live-in dildo replacements
>because of the music you like to listen to. I'm still married (waiting for
>divorce procedings to start, which can take a loooong time in Germany), and my
>musical taste, or lack thereof, lead to some big trouble along the lines of
>"can't you see I'm trying to watch TV, do you have to listen to that stuff so
>loud, you'll wake the dogs with that noise, how can you listen to that row,
>you didn't listen to this when we first met, why did I ever marry you".
Yeah, I'm one of those guys living in sin. (Brings back memories of Bon
Jovi, huh? ;-p) My girlfriend says that she tolerates most of my music.
(She actually said that DT were pretty cool the other day. Heh heh. I'm
converting her at last!) The one thing that she can't stand, though, is
Anthrax, which is one of my favorite bands. (Scott Ian rulez!) She also
doesn't understand why music has to be played loud. Women! Can't live with
'em, but I do anyway.
Shane
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* Shane Hunziker 12625 Coursey Blvd., #1046 *
* SandS@mail.challenger.net Baton Rouge, LA 70816 *
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* "O come let us adore him, abuse him, then ignore him. No matter *
* what, don't let him be. Let's feed upon his misery. Now it's *
* time for them to deal with me." - Dream Theater, "A Change of Seasons"*
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 17:47:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: All over but the crying... (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.961003174618.614476835B-100000@drew.edu>
Here is some more news about the VH/Gary Charone situation....Brandon
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Brandon-
I just visited the VH news desk in hopes of some news...this is a
paraphrasing of what I found:
1st an open letter from David Lee Roth:
Basically he stated his disgust that the MTV awards appearance was just a
publicity stunt. He had really thought the band was reforming when really
they already have a new lead singer and have had for as long as three
months!!!!!!! He bashed VH for a bit and closed off saying how disgusted
he was...
2nd a retort from VH to be released to the press tomorrow:
Stated that they never said this was a longterm thing. this was just for
the recording of the upcoming GH album...Reading Roth's letter reminds
them of some of the reasons they fired him in the first place. They are
working with "someone" for the past couple of weeks that they hope will be
able to continue the VH magic...They can't announce who until the
contractual things have been worked out.
So this coupled with what we knew confirmed before...that Gary has been
writing with Eddie at 5150 studios and that he had been rehearsing some of
the old stuff...it looks like Gary Cherone will become the 3rd lead singer
of Van Halen
Whether this is the end of Extreme is still unsure...supposedly from
Extreme's side there will be a press conference within 2 weeks to discuss
Extreme's fate...this doesn't sound good. I have pretty given up from
reports I've read including the following:
-Pat Badger seems to be doing absolutely nothing and just relaxing (I know
not incriminating but oh well)
-Mike Mangini-worked with Steve Vai on his new album and is going on tour
with him...doesn't sound like a drummer with a job already
-rumors are that the reason for Nuno's delay in releasing his side project
is that he might be retooling it a bit as it's not just a side project now
but might become his full time musical endevor...
Extreme it looks like is finished. But since I really only care about
Gary and Nuno then at least I will be able to see them doing stuff...
"And there you have it"-Freddie Mercury
-Paul DiNuzzo
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 09:55:01 -0600
From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ytsecon
Message-ID: <3253E1D5.4611@micron.net>
Hi all!!
Yes, I really would like to go..... but, I live on the west coast, I
cannot afford to go 'cause I have a business to run, and only my husband
and I to run it. I'm working 12 hrs a day, 6 days a week, on call the
7th. UGH!! I wish I could go-I'd sure like to meet all of you out
there!! That to me would be a very cool thing!!
Well, onto good stuff!! Tull/ELP was awesome!! I had a very good time!!
Alot which had to do with actually having 4 hours off away from the cab
and cell phone!! Very nice break for me!! The same goes for the Alan
Parsons Project show tonite!!! My poor husband has to stay up past his
bedtime so I can do this, tho. I do appreciate him alot!!! Gee I should
say that more often!!!
New tunage for me!! I picked up TFE-of course!! and then went hunting-I
found Yngwie Malmsteens Trilogy album and JT"s Thick as a Brick in the
bargain bin so got those as well!!I do believe that I'll be buying more
of YF's work-nice stuff!! Is there a page for him? If so, will someone
point me in the right way?
/me is in need of new DT-or at least some I haven't heard!!!
Keep Rockin'
Pam
--
Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton
_____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace
</__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o “THE INTERNET”
0 0 E-mail:
cwheaton@micron.net
URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:54:47 +0000
From: "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Where can I find Superior ?
Message-ID: <199610032154.VAA24753@poindexter.wirehub.nl>
Hi,
I would like to know from any Dutch Jammer where I can find
the Superior album (Behind) in Holland, especially in the
Rotterdam area (that's where I live). Hopefully someone can
help me asap.
Thanks,
Aurora
"Creative mother arouse us to know
that we be not lost in the sands
..open our eyes"
The Eagle Nature / Cynic
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:22:41 -0500
From: SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Glimmer Man
Message-ID: <19961003222241167.AAA74@SandS>
Hey, I just noticed on a commercial for The Glimmer Man that the music is by
Trevor Rabin. Am I making a connection that I shouldn't here?
Shane Hunziker
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* Shane Hunziker 12625 Coursey Blvd., #1046 *
* SandS@mail.challenger.net Baton Rouge, LA 70816 *
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* "O come let us adore him, abuse him, then ignore him. No matter *
* what, don't let him be. Let's feed upon his misery. Now it's *
* time for them to deal with me." - Dream Theater, "A Change of Seasons"*
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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 05:15:29 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lemur Voice and live recordings
Message-ID: <199610032310.SAA165691@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Greetings to all.
I just saw Marcel's post about the the upcoming LV shows in the Netherlands,
and I want to ask a few questions..
1) How many people on the Jam are going to be able to attend any of the shows?
2) Does anyone here, especially including Marcel, have some live
performances of Lemur Voice?
3) Is it possible for those going to the upcoming shows to get permission
to record them??
Generally, this whole post revolves around the fact that I'm really selfish,
and I want all I can get. No, for real though, I'm really interested in
getting some live recordings, and ALL input is appreciated.
Marcel, is there anything you can suggest for us Jammers? Or, can you help
us out??
Thanks for taking the time!
_____________________________________________________
"He had a lot to say. He had a lot of nothing to say, we'll miss him."
-tOOl
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Ryan Good - Madison Student Radio; Music Stapher
the Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster
Home - 608-258-1587
Pocket - 1-888-845-1150
"Madison Student Radio: It's coming!"
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Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 05:18:22 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tool's AENIMA
Message-ID: <199610032313.SAA174471@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
WHOLLY SHIT.
I un-reluctantly purchased Tool's new offering. Damn. I can't stop
listening to it. Off the top of my head, my favorites so far are #2,
eulogy, #15 My third eye, #1 Stinkfest, and most of the others. Keenan has
such an awesome voice. If there's any AiC fans out there, could you imagine
a pairing of Keenan and Staley? It would rip my soul completey apart. So
there. Enjoy.
_____________________________________________________
"He had a lot to say. He had a lot of nothing to say, we'll miss him."
-tOOl
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Ryan Good - Madison Student Radio; Music Stapher
the Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster
Home - 608-258-1587
Pocket - 1-888-845-1150
"Madison Student Radio: It's coming!"
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 19:16:31 -0400
From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: cold stops
Message-ID: <199610032315.QAA04780@desiree.teleport.com>
I remember someone was talking about fades vs. cold stops (think
that was how he said it)
I love the stop on Pull Me Under. Why? I don't know, it sounds
cool. That is my judgement on the music. On BLoody Kisses by Type O
Negative they do the same thing on "No I can't lose you". Fine. It ends
the record. It's kind of unusual - it fits the record to a T. Here's the
problem:
On their new cd "October Rust" they seem to use this on at least
half the songs. THey enjoyed doing it before too much. This almost ruins
an otherwise flawless cd! I was listening to it before going to bed, and
every time it pissed me off. When the song is near over, I just hit the
skip button, so I don't have to listen to it. It ruins the whole flow of
the cd. IT PISSES ME OFF!
(sorry, bad day today)
Michelob
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:32:47 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YEAH
Message-ID: <199610032335.CAA26679@pepe.online.ee>
Hello :-)
Just received a copy of Cynic's "Focus", bought King Crimson's
"Lizard" and Mr. Bungle's "Disco Volante" plus borrowed Type O
Negative's "October Rust". Guess what will keep me busy for the next
two weeks. :-)
BE MY DRUIDESS has gotta be one of my favorite songs right now. :-)
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:00:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ** New Ytsejam Tshirts **
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.961003185207.5766A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
+-------------------------------------------------------+
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I spoke with the print shop a few days ago, and the production on the shirts
has begun. They are working on separations and screen burning to get the
color graphic for the front of the shirt right. Things look great, and I
will pick the shirts up on Saturday.
The original tshirts for YtseCon III have been canceled. Jeff Chew has
decided to make my Ytsejam shirt the official shirt of YtseCon III. The
shirt will still debut at YtseCon III as planned. For those of you asking,
I can't mail out shirts before the Con. Even my girlfriend isn't getting
one before the Con. :) If you don't know if you're going yet, don't panic,
if you're there, pick it up there, if not, I'll mail if after the Con as
planned.
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Details
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The Ytsejam shirts are two sided prints. The front of the shirt features
a *full color* raytraced graphic from Chris Haley in Washington. The
graphic is a beautifully done scene with the Majesty logo floating behind
a group of marble columns on a tile floor with a wide view of space
visible behind.
The back of the shirt will be done in a solid blue color. The majority
of the design is a huge Majesty logo, framed by the Dream Theater title
at the top, the mailing list address on the sides and "Ytsejam" at the
bottom. Below that is "Internet Mailing List" between two more Majesty
logos.
The print order has been increased to 200 shirts. I'm hoping that this will
cover all of the orders, but if I have to, I will do a second run.
You can check out all of the details, as well as a preview of the shirts
at:
http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
Please note: Due to some legal issues, the University will no longer allow
me to keep this commercial advertisement on their server. To sidestep this
issue, Chris Merlo was kind enough to put the page up on his account.
Please go to the URL above and follow the link to the new site.
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Pricing
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The cost of the shirts is $16 each. The shirt is damn close to concert
quality, so $16 is a steal (last Dream Theater concert I was at charged
$23 for a shirt!). If you require a size larger than XL, please let me
know ASAP so I can get those orders in. There is an additional $1 charge
for each size increase (ie. XXL = $17). If you are picking the shirt up
from me directly or will be at YtseCon III, the $16 price stands. If you
won't be at the Con and can't get the shirt in person, you can order one
through the mail for $20 to cover shipping.
I spoke with the people at the post office and I've decided to set the
shipping prices outside the USA at $9, for a total of $25. I realize
this is damn expensive for a tshirt, and I'm sorry. If individual prices
are signifigantly less expensive, I will gladly return a check for the
balance.
The rundown:
M, L or XL shirt, pick up, or at the Con: $16
M, L or XL shirt, mailed in the US: $20
M, L or XL shirt, mailed outside the US: $25
XXL add $1
XXXL add $2
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Availability
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Size: Reserved: Held: Remaining:
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M 0 1 4
L 1 0 29
XL 18 2 120
XXL 5 8 7
XXXL 1 1 3
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Totals 25 12 163
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Ordering
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The shirts are open to pre-ordering now. You can reserve one by check or
money order to ensure that you will get one. I definitely recommend
this. By ordering early, you can make sure you get a shirt, as well as
ensure that the whole project goes of without a hitch. Checks and money
orders will be held until the weekend before the Con (Oct. 4th) at which
point they will be cashed to cover the rest of the payment when I pick up
the shirts. Those of you at the Con will receive your shirts then. Mail
orders will begin shipping the week after the Con, most likely on that
Wednesday (Oct. 16th).
To order, send a check or money order for the proper amount (see pricing
above) to:
Pat Griffin
573A Hudson Hall
1202 E. Rollins St.
Columbia, MO 65201
Make them payable to Pat Griffin, and remember this in US dollars.
Be sure to include:
Your name.
Email address.
Mailing address.
Phone number.
Quantity of shirts you want to order.
The size of each.
Whether or not you will be at YtseCon III.
I will keep you up to date on the status of the shirts through email.
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Miscellaneous
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Remember that all the info can be found online at:
http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
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