YTSEJAM Digest 1955
Today's Topics:
1) Trivia guess
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
2) Demos, Fonts and Remixes
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
3) A few quick comments
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
4) Chuck D., Chris C, Rush (no spoiler), music vs. lyrics vs. yo' momma
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
5) Dream Theater2 Theme
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
6) tool
by David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
7) joke
by David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
8) A
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
9) Albatross!!!
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
10) Damage Inc.
by GRAHAM JOHN BOYLE <progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au>
11) Magellan: Hour of Restoration
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
12) Re: tool
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
13) Journalism
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) Wasp?
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
15) Various Comments
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:19:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trivia guess
Message-ID: <199610220319.XAA11001@beasley.cris.com>
From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
Subject: pop quiz
> I got a little trivia question:
>
> What do the songs "Space Dye Vest" and "Gazpacho" (By Marillion)
>have in common?
>
> This is pretty obscure, but I can say this: they are the ONLY songs
>by the respective bands that do/use this. Maybe this is easy, but I thought
>this similarity was striking.
Disclaimer: I do not listen to Marillion. I will now *guess*:
They both incorporate the use of the E-bow?? Maybe? Hmm?
-Rick
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 00:07:38 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Demos, Fonts and Remixes
Message-ID: <199610220407.AAA11248@sable.cc.vt.edu>
Three rather diverse questions about Dream Theater
(yes I am a newbie to this newsgroup... only for lack
of knowing about it)...
One : (and of course I'm sure this has been discussed in the past, so
if someone would private email me about it, I would appreciate it)
Demos... Majesty, early DT (even dominici), where can I
get them/dub them? I realize they're probably in short supply...
it's a shame this CD burner is sitting here unproductive... *wink*
Two: has anyone ever put out a Dream Theater Font?.... I'm sure if I had the
time to do so I would... but it'd be much easier if already done...
Three: I've heard rumors about the ENTIRE WDADU album being redone with
Labrie singing... is this a new 'one way' records drive, or is
it merely
unfounded rumor...?
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Animation.... breathes a cloudless mind
Fascination.... leaves the doubting blind.
Until the circle breaks, and wisdom lies ahead
The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled...
-Dream Theater-
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:53:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A few quick comments
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961021232109.4023C-100000@comp>
Greetings Jammers,
Anyone think we need to get Skadz to organize a few rules of
etiquette for the Jam to make this a happier place? What did we get, like
*SIX* frickin' Jams today alone... mostly filled with useless things like
discussion over racist jokes, a few too many reviews of G3 and Rush shows,
long drawn out posts about completely irrelevant topics, etc.
Now, I'm not saying that any of these things are really that
bad... but could we all just make an effort to keep the overall numbers
of these unrelated or unnecessary topics down? Please?
HANDY TIP: Read *ALL* your YtseJam's in your mailbox before you get
infuriated over a statement in a Jam. Chances are that if
you get pissed off by Jam #1000 and have #1001-1020 sitting
in your mailbox... There will be a nice little bell-shaped
curve of outraged responses to the same topic located amongst
all those nice unread Jams.
Anyone ever notice that for about the next 5-10 Jams after a flame-bait
that everyone has to take it upon themselves to flame the guy and most of
them simply re-hash what everyone else has said? Take our recent little
tirade about racism and racist jokes... was that necessary? If you stay
caught up on your Jams, then go for it and flame the person (when
necessary or justified), but don't go jumping on the bandwagon 10 Jams
later... and please, if an off topic thread like that starts, just let
the sucker die a nice death after a sufficient number of people have dealt
with it. If that's not gonna satisfy you: TAKE IT TO E-MAIL. Don't
argue with one guy over the Jam over completely unrelated topics. If you
want to discuss it, do it with the people that are interested in
discussing/arguing/yelling/threatening/whatever, not with the entire list
of people who really don't want to hear/read it.
SECOND GRIPE: Okay, we all know that G3 and Rush are going on and each
person that goes is going to be excited by their evening.
What we don't need to hear is a lengthy review from every
single person that goes to one of these. A short blurb,
sure... tell us you saw G3/Rush/etc. if you must and maybe
let us know how your experience differed from the 153 other
versions we have already heard.
RELATED GRIPE: 'Band X rokz nadz!'. Yeah, okay we all know that bands
like Galactic Cowboys, Rush, Savatage, Lemur Voice,
Superior, Queensryche, Kings X, etc. are gonna be pretty
popular with the members of the Jam. Doesn't mean that
each single person that buys Lemur Voice has to let the
entire Jam know. If you have a dissenting opinion, let us
hear it... but let's try and keep repeat traffic down.
NEXT GRIPE: Carlos/DreamNDay Syndrome... We all realize that the Jam can
be a cool experience and it may affect your life in a big
way... doesn't mean we want to hear when your dog has to go
pee... doesn't mean that you should respond to every single
post you see that sparks a little light in your head. That's
what private e-mail is for. If someone expresses an opinion
that you totally agree with and you want to give them a hi-5,
find their e-mail address in the headers and send it to
*THEM*... not *US*... (Brian, this isn't directed towards
you since you don't do this anymore, just using you as an
example)... (Carlos: wtf? Who appointed you as 'holder of
the almighty opinion on everything'? Not trying to really
rip on you here, because I do think you have some useful
things to say... but sheesh... THINK right before you hit
that _send_ button... or could you at least consolidate so
that we don't end up with 1/3 of the Jam being your .sig?)
ANOTHER GRIPE: I'm a hypocrite... I'm dealing with this though. Takes a
hypocritical post such as this to make people wake up...
not that it works... a few people may find something
interesting here, but overall I will largely be ignored
and I'm willing to accept that fact. Those last two
comments directed at Brian and Carlos should be taken to
private e-mail, but I'm trying to make an example. If
you think it's hypocritical of me... well, maybe the
point will be blatantly obvious to you and you will ensure
that you don't ever do this.
Point? Think before you post people... there is some wonderful
information to be found on this list and some great discussion going on
about various topics. Mojo's post made me realize something... I don't
know that I'm proud of my association with this list. There are some very
cool people on here, and there is tons of useful information... but, if I
were to ever meet one of the DT boys, I don't know if I'd mention that I
belong to this list or not.
Sounds like the YtseCon III was a great smashing success, and everyone
always raves about how cool YtseJammers are... if only we could transfer
that spirit back into the mailing list itself.
Okay, I'm done... I'm gonna shut up... I'm even gonna trim my .sig down
just cause I'm tired of seeing 10+ line sigs all over the frickin' place.
DrX
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| to decadence without touching civilization. |
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 21:59:45 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chuck D., Chris C, Rush (no spoiler), music vs. lyrics vs. yo' momma
Message-ID: <9610220459.AA02317@tengs1>
>One last thought...how many feel that Charlie D was not that bad of a
>singer. It is obvious who has more talent and training. But Charlie does
>not lack on the feeling aspect. Only a Matter of Time is my favorite DT
>song and the Killing Hand definitely stirs my emotions. Does any body
>agree? Does anybody know what he is up to nowadays?
I was at my mom's house the other weekend and Highlander: The Series
was on (great show). There was this flashback deal (a flashback on H:TS?
_NO_!) showing this girl and this dude singing. My mom commented that
the girl wasn't that good of a soprano because she lacked power. Same with
CD.
>QUESTION: Does anyone know why when Majesty changed their name that they got
>Charlie to sing instead of keeping Chris? I happen to really like his voice
>and was surprised when I first heard his stuff with Majesty that they didn't
>keep him around.
Wasn't it because he preferred whiskey over Yeagermeister? He drank so
much cheap whiskey that stills used to make Yeager were converted over
to make whiskey, siriusly f*cking up the Mike P./Yeagermeister supply/
demand curve. By firing Chris, Mike P. knew that he would have less money
to buy the whiskey so he would switch over to cheap wine, thereby returning
the Yeagermeister production facilities back to their former state.
>Dishwalla does that really crappy song "Counting Blue Cars"
Yeah, and that other one, "Charlie Brown's Parents".
>he looks like that Elvira chick.. hehee ..
You mean he wore his shirt on millimeter above his nipples?
>>From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
>>To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
>>Subject: RUSH SPOILER
>
>You could have just said "This is the Rush set list and you DON'T want to
>read this if you're going to the show. People didn't know what it was they
>weren't supposed to be reading, so while I really appreciate the list of
>tunes (it's cool to see what I'm missing!) that coud have been posted
>without eating the whole jam.
Hate to say it, but I'm going to stop reading a.m.r. until the middle of
November. I already got spoiled for some things that are going to be
played, one song merely by glancing at the first post that came up when
I logged into the group! Oh well, the others will have to carry out
my duties of stamping out hypocrisy and neo-fascism on that ng until my
return...
>Not quite. Lyrics are generally assigned melodies, that makes
>them musical does it not? I can't separate the two of them. If DT's
>music was bubble gum metal from a lyrical perspective, I wouldn't buy
>it regardless of their instrumental prowess.
I have come to care about lyrics less and less. It is mostly because
I only have time to listen to it in my car, and I obviously don't
read the lyrics while I'm driving. I love the Lemur Voice album, yet
don't hink I understand a single lyric on the thing. I can't even tell
you the names of every song even though I've listened to it about 20
times. My friend is one who can't listen to instrumentals too much.
Well, we all have our character flaws. I was listening to INSTR. II
(still waiting for III, but then I waited the whole summer to send
Tim his money) once and he actually said, "Could we listen to somthing
with words?" in a pained sort of voice. I almost decked him for being
an idiot! These are the same people who think any classical music beyond
the that one part of the William Tell overture (okay, I'm showing my
ignorance here) and Fur Elise sucks. I think parts of Erotomania,
the end of SDV and IF are some of the most emotional sh*t that DT has
ever written. While I'm glad that DT decided to hire a singer after
CD instead of going instrumental, I think the images is where DT's genius
lies.
About racism: Anyone seen Sleepers, where two of the kids, as adults,
buy the gentlemen down the bar drinks as a nice way of saying,"No
talking about religion, or politics at this bar, or we'll blow your
f*cking heads off."?
Anyway, I have some scathing criticisms of both sides of the racism
spectrum, EMAIL me if anyone's interested in talking about it.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:58:09 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater2 Theme
Message-ID: <199610220603.AAA21874@cyberhighway.net>
Wheeee!
It's finally done, after a horrendous experience with my sound card I
finally got the samples recoreded. I ended up having to crank
somewhere between 20-50 Amps out of my bass amp into it. :)
I thought it would blow it, but it didn't.
Anyway. It's got all of the kind of stuff the original had, but
better icons, Wallpaper, logos, sounds (you have to be tolerant of
Mike's incessant cursing), etc. I'm looking for someone willing to
upload it onto their website, cuz I don't have one nor the slightest
clue as how to make one (my next project). I really don't think
Skadz would appreciate me attaching it to everyone (nor most of you ,
FTM).
Please mail me privatly if you're willing to upload it for everyone's
convenient access. For those of you who have no web access, please
mail me and I will send it to you.
It's 1.4 M.(Zipped) Just enough to fit on a floppy. The readme.txt
will explain the rest.
Thanks,
Chuck Reis a.k.a. "The Other Ibanez"
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"I feel kinda spooky..."
-- The Silent Man
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 03:05:40 -0500
From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tool
Message-ID: <326C8054.35E1@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Hey anyone that listens to Tool. I think I'd put song #2 on my list of
perfect songs...
David
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 03:17:08 -0500
From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: joke
Message-ID: <326C8304.4BD3@gold.tc.umn.edu>
I heard this joke and thought it was quite humorous. There is no DT
content here but we can all use some humor now and again...
A small guy goes into an elevator, looks up and notice a huge dude
>standing next to him. The big dude looks down upon the small guy and
>says, "7 feet tall, 350 pounds, 20 inch penis, 3 pound left testicle, 3
>pound right testicle, Turner Brown."
>
>The small guy faints.
>
>The big dude picks up the small guy and brings him to, slapping his
>face
>and shaking him and asks the small guy, "What's wrong with you?"
>
>The small guy says, "Excuse me, but what did you say?"
>
>The big dude looks down and says, "7 feet tall, 350 pounds, 20 inch
>penis, 3 pound left testicle, 3 pound right testicle, Turner Brown."
>
>The small guy says, "Thank God! I thought you said 'Turn around'."
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:03:23 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A
Message-ID: <199610220912.MAA19271@pepe.online.ee>
>I've been a fan of DT for a few months (I first bought ACOS, then
>LATM, then I&W, then WDADU, then A (why can't we have an acronym for
>Awake as well?))
Even one acronym only is one too much. I spend many of my hours
regurgitating because of the utter *flow* of them on the Ytsejam.
raitz
"Some say I'm a horrible person. That is not true.
I have a heart of a boy... In a jar on my desk."
-- Stephen King
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:23:27 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Albatross!!!
Message-ID: <199610220929.EAA28442@Walden.MO.NET>
>Remember, Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Iron maiden is STILL an
>awesome song!!!
Agreed. Just listened to the live version (from Live After DeatH)
today in my car on the way home from work. heck, it's the song that
got me into Coleridge, and, ultimately, into English Lit. (which I'm
planning on studying in grad. school).
Any St. Louis jammers, and/or jammers going to the Halloween Rush
show @ the Kiel Center, it's only a little over a week away - WOO
HOO!!!. Let's hook up. later all.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:47:56 +1000
From: GRAHAM JOHN BOYLE <progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Damage Inc.
Message-ID: <326C984C.50AC@s054.aone.net.au>
Hey Jammers,
DT performed 'Damage Inc' at the uncovered show last year with
Barney from Napalm Death on vox (He is a huge DT fan), part of this song
was broadcast on MTV Europe DT special in 95, I hape a tape of this
broadcast (PAL).
Remember what Neil Elliot said about joining the fan club? Mike
Portnoy said in the last issue of I&W that he'd like to see something
special for members of the DT FC. Put 2+2 together and you get a fan
club only CD of the uncovered gig. This is maybe just wishful thinking,
we will have to wait and see. Join now before you miss out on something
big.
Graham Boyle
Sydney, Australia.
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:15:57 -0400
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magellan: Hour of Restoration
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961022111557.0066b1d8@ee.net>
>> In Dec 96, Magna Carta will be issuing copies of the 1st Magellan "Hour Of
>> Restoration" (previously on Roadrunner US back in 91) and the 1st Shadow
>> Gallery "Shadow Gallery" (for the first time in the US).
> Finally! I never found a store that would order the first Magellan album
> for me. Actually, I did find one, but they wanted $30 for the disc. Fuck
> that.
I suck. I found HOR (hah, how many thought Handful of Rain) at a record
show about a month ago for $6 used. A most joyful occasion for some reason,
because I'm not like a huge Magellan fan.
I like it a lot better than Impending Ascension. The guitar is placed more
up front in the mix. The keys have a heavier, more distorted sound, much
like Kev's in 6:00. However, the lyrics (if that's a big thing to you) are
kind of smashed onto the music.
Joe
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:29:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: tool
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961022072851.26952E-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Hey anyone that listens to Tool. I think I'd put song #2 on my list of
> perfect songs...
I assume you mean off the new album, correct?
They're coming to Philly November 23rd. You better believe i'm
going. :)
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:49:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Journalism
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961022040739.32189E-100000@homer07.u.washington.edu>
I'm way behind. Forgive me.
> From: "Larry Odneal" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1943
>
> Cut & Paste, my man, Cut & Paste. Learn it, Love it, Live it. Cut &
> Paste is the Future of Journalism!
?! Dangit, writing is one of my passions. Perhaps in this artificial realm
known as the Internet, cut & paste will see you through the day. Back in
the Real World, however, you still need an Open Mind to express ideas
freely and react to your surroundings in a manner true to yourself. You
need Creativity to keep your literary nature and sense of description in a
fluid, forever-blooming light. You need Will to see a project through to
its end, and to stick with what you believe and believe in. And at the
core, beneath it all, you need one last little ingredient...
"SpontanUity!" (--John Petrucci)
to spew forth ideas as they arise, never stifling the natural process of
the evolution of great thoughts.
Cut & Paste all you like, man, just be sure to mail me those elements of
your strangled, suffocated Humanity that have been drained of potential by
this wretched placebo for passion and life called The Internet... I will
nurse them back to health, absorb what I can, and soar onward into new
horizons...
Yesss... Cut & Paste, my friend... As your humanity is sucked out by this
demon, this great beast emblazoned with the fiery digits "666," this
ever-growing, unstoppable horror that the masses bow before, this
Information Superhighway, this mockery of all that is true, this evil that
embodies all that society wants, all that society wishes it were, all that
society refuses to admit it craves, all that society wishes it could
conceal from itself because it knows even in its darkest corner of
dememented fantasy that the glory promised by this great beast is all a
grotesque lie...
Cut. Paste. Do so with all the fervor and zeal you can muster. As for me,
I believe I shall write what is in my mind and what is in my heart with
death as the consequence before I take up the reins of Cutting and
Pasting...
Well. I'm out of breath. That was fun. See that, Larry? That was me
spewing. Other than that little Petrucci quote, it had nothing to do with
Dream Theater. Please take it with a grain of salt. I'm not flaming you,
I'm just contributing to the overall volatile, condescending tone the 'jam
has taken on lately. Just doing my part to keep the gears turning. Team
player. That's me.
And speaking of the recent tone 'round these parts... As if it weren't
nasty enough with heavyweights like Scott Cook, Chris Ptacek, and Mark
Bredius locking horns... Michael Coghlan has entered the ring, back from
the dead and right in the eye of the storm... Where's my umbrella...
:)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 05:12:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wasp?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961022051007.32189H-100000@homer07.u.washington.edu>
> From: Charles D Harrison <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1930
>
> I know that this is late...but,
Better late than ever.
> TO THE ASSWIPE THAT POSTED THE RACIST JOKE ON THE JAM:
Uh, which one? Great, just great... Last week I posted one but no one
noticed. You guys must have stopped stringing together the first letters
of my paragraph sentences and forming new secret sentences with them. Did
I know this, and just forgot somehow? Or are you guys keeping me in the
dark on purpose? Geez, I can't even be a satisfactory racist...
> Go fuck yourself you racist bastard. I am not a WASP and I find racist
> jokes to be offensive.
So... WASPs aren't offended by racist jokes... I must say, that sounds
like a very practical way to exist in this day and age. Can I just sign
something or do I need injections for this immunity?
> Do you feel only whites can appreciate what DT has to offer?
I don't know. A more illuminating question would be, "What color is
sound?"
> And in that way, people will bond with you? Get a life...
Displaying that you hate all sections of a greater whole might not make
you friends within that section/whole, but it will most definitely win the
affinity of those who share your opinion. Kind of like wearing a Dream
Theater shirt and making it publicly known that you think Nirvana is a
load of crap. Wait a minute...there are people on this list who do that!!
LOTS of people!! That's it, you're all a bunch of fuckin' racists!!!
Deductive reasoning strikes again!!!
Bafu
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 15:09:29 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Various Comments
Message-ID: <9610221309.AA00278@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
more random rumblings from the Old World.
1. Cleaning guitars. Try semen - lots of guitarists in loads of bands seem to
spend enough time wanking over them, so it must be good for something.
2. All of these reports about Rush and the G3 (as opposed to the G spot) tour
remind me of a Dream Theater song: Wait For Sleep.
3. R.I.P. Mojoman. Like it or not, I think he had a couple of good things to
say in his farewell posting, especially about sickening hero worship that is
sometimes part of this list (only a small minority are guilty of this crime, and
it isn't just restricted to this list, but I find it nauseating none the less).
4. Jokes on the jam. Warning to anybody who may post a joke to the jam: you
will almost certainly get your butt turned to ashes, regardless of how mild/
harmless/politically correct you may think your joke is. Almost all humour
is made at the expense of somebody else - please don't forget this.
5. Stuff for Kraut Jammers. Can anybody tell me where the hell I can buy the
Lemur Voice album? All of the local CD shops keep telling me it doesn't exist.
Also, Vanden Plas will be playing in Frankfurt on the 30th/31st of October.
Go and support this great band.
6. Does anybody know anything about a new album by Threshold?
7. Does anybody know anything about a new album by Vauxdvihl?
8. Only three more days until I see Superior...
9. You can use alcohol to preserve everything but your dignity.
10. There is no number 10.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag)
Currently playing: Vanden Plas - Colour Temple
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