YTSEJAM digest 1954

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Date: Mon Oct 21 1996 - 22:58:35 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1954

    Today's Topics:

      1) Trans-Siberian Orchestra
     by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
      2) Rush, Al Bal, Cogybear, WFS, Echolyn
     by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
      3) Racism
     by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
      4) comments/g3 dallas/echolyn/more comments
     by fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce)
      5) quick thoughts and album recommendations
     by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@andorra-c.it.earthlink.net>
      6) G3 Review
     by Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
      7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1952
     by DYNAMOJOE@aol.com
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1953
     by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
      9) Re: DT mix CD...
     by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
     10) time sigs, SHMEGMA, and Mojo's last words
     by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
     11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1948
     by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
     12) Re: Metallica cover.
     by Scott <skooc@earthlink.net>
     13) pop quiz
     by Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
     14) SDV/gazpacho
     by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
     15) Re: comments/g3 dallas/echolyn/more comments
     by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
    From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Trans-Siberian Orchestra
    Message-ID: <v01520d02ae917bfa52df@[207.90.116.57]>

    Where can I get this?!?!

    I've checked with people at Best Buy and various local shops, but no luck.
    Where did you get it, if you have it?

    Later,
    Dan

    ---+ +---
    Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
                 "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
       http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 17:55:11 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
    To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Rush, Al Bal, Cogybear, WFS, Echolyn
    Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961021174357.71323F-100000@homer31.u.washington.edu>

    > From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
    > Subject: Rush/DT, Worms, The shreddable electable
    >
    > Those are all things that not only make me think, they strike an
    > emotional chord as well. I think you would find it difficult to find one
    > person on this list who hasn't had at least one Rush track as a
    > meaningful back drop to their life.

    I agree. The first song I ever heard by Rush was "Tom Sawyer," and to this
    day I still don't like them.

    What's up Mr. Balkiewicz? You still half-naked?

    What's up, Mr. Coghlan? You still mentioning political favorites on a
    non-political mailing list?

    Anyone still hunting for a decent transcription of "Wait For Sleep," for
    goodness' sake, get through to WildKoba. He da man. ;)

    Queensryche + DT + Rush + King's X = I Dream In InfraRed Sector A Fortune
    In Lies In The Sand.

    Someone mentioned that they had a copy of Echolyn's "As The World" that
    they were attempting to get rid of. I, too, have this disc. I disapprove
    of the auditory material contained within. I would like to exchange it for
    $10 of American currency. Anyone interested?

    Bafu Vai

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:53:33 -0600
    From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Racism
    Message-ID: <m0vFV7U-000TYGC@mis01.micron.net>

    I don't believe it! I figured the ytsejam with all its coolness would be
    the last place something like this would come up. I personally am a white
    male, so it wouldn't be hard to make fun of others. However, I used to
    live in southern texas where all my friends were hispanic, and now live
    where there are 3 black people in the whole 1600 person school, and I am
    friends with all of them.

    There is absolutely no need for any racism in the world. I realize that
    there will always be racism in the world, But I'll be gee-willikered if I'm
    gonna let it go on without saying anything. I don't understand what is so
    bad about other races. Asian people are really smart, Black people are
    really fast. Obviously those examples are stereotypical, but I'm trying to
    point out the good.

    China has better test scores than the USA, and did any body catch the
    Olympics? How many white people were in any of the sprints? Male or
    Female?

    Anyone who thinks they are better than someone else because of the color of
    their skin is very narrow-minded, even if they do listen to DT ;)

    Sorry for the tangent, but this topic is disgusting.

    Craig Wuthrich

    P.S. Michael C. racist? Yikes. The big "H" word comes to mind.

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:17:23 -0700 (PDT)
    From: fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: comments/g3 dallas/echolyn/more comments
    Message-ID: <199610220117.SAA22334@pawn.ax.com>

    hi y'all... just came in from dallas this morning from the g3 concert.
    Everyone rocked and seeing Steve Vai live was like a dream come true for
    me... got major spine shivers during "for the love of god". Satch rocked but
    I was suprised he didn't just walk off the front of the stage with those
    dark sunglasses he had on. Campitelli was much more grovin' than Mover was
    last time. I saw a guy with a Ytsejam shirt on but he looked kinda scummy so
    I steered clear :) actually I had to keep track of a few people so I didn't
    have much freedom. Me and my friend both supported the cause with our spiffy
    black DT shirts. Saw several dt shirts floating about..(good job guys).

    but.... I came home read a few jams and found that a few people here have
    takin' to slagging my absolute favorite band of the moment ECHOLYN. I can't
    force people to like them, and they are in fact a little cheesy at times.
    but to me as an aspiring songwriter they represent such a high level of
    songwriting mastership.. even dare to say...better than dt. damn straight...
    we're talking some tasty and sophisticated songs on either "as the world" or
    my personal fav "suffocating the bloom".. very experimental..very
    emotional...very thinking.

    about time sigs... I don't find it odd that people use odd time but odd that
    people don't write in odd time. 4/4 is cool and all but a time sig is a
    slave to the melody and the feel of the song. i chalk up the influence of
    4/4 to lazy drummers... myself included and the overwhelming abundance of
    ho-hum music.

    I found someone here made a comment like that the emphasis in prog is the
    chord and note selections and the emphasis of pop music was the
    sounds/texture of the song. I find this to be true to a good degree.
    Sometimes I wish prog/rock bands would explore song texturing more and use
    their musical expertise to create songs that are emotive without becoming
    wankfests.... enter dream theater, they manage to remain focused on the
    songs to a high enough degreee that they can create moods in their songs.
    Some pop artists I admire very much not because they are such great
    instumentalists but because they experiment with sounds. i admit I listen to
    bands like Smashing Pumpkins and NIN just for this reason.

    (insert flame here)

    ok... if anybody here is a dt cocksucker wannabe like MOJOMAN says then you
    should go find a support group or something. sure dt's great and a
    centerpeice for discussion on this group but they're just a band...I don't
    think that way about the people here and maybe MOJOMAN has had some personal
    crisis and is upset at the world now....who knows?.. i disagree.

    later my friends -bruce
    ----b-r-u-c-e-f-o-r-s-t--------------------------------------
              I built a wall around my garden
              When people started telling me what to grow
              It's cold and callous and throws a heavy shadow
              Over the fields I choose to call my own
    ----(In Every Garden)-------------(echolyn)-------------------

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:25:26 +0000
    From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@andorra-c.it.earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: quick thoughts and album recommendations
    Message-ID: <199610220117.SAA29925@armenia.it.earthlink.net>

    On 21 Oct 96 at 16:18, ytsejam@ax.com spewed forth the following
    words:

    > I mean, we're arguing about ethnic JOKES here. They're just jokes,
    > people. They get told about every group or classification there is.
    > They're not going to go away. They also do little more than ruffle
    > feathers. If a person cannot laugh at themselves, then they're the one
    > with the problem... not the jokester.

    you've obviously never been on the recieving end of one of the jokes.
    one of my closest friends happens to be black. i know from endless
    hours of conversation what it must be like to recieve racist treatment.
    she's described being in a bar and having a country song saying
    something to the effect of "let's hang all the niggers" played on the
    jukebox. the guys that played the song thought it was a joke. she
    obviously did not.

    look, what is important here, and what EVERYBODY should realize, is
    that if it offends someone, don't say it. obviously we've mixed
    ethnicities on the jam. i can't even believe anyone would say that
    the person on the recieving end of a joke such as this is the
    problem. sure man, i realize that sometimes it's just a joke, that
    you don't really mean serious personal offense by it, but that
    doesn't matter; what matters is the person who's hearing it or
    reading it.

    on to other things...

    Spock's Beard - just got this cd in the mail today. WOW. i bought
    it based on D-Mans recommendation (thanks dude) and Portnoy was also
    quoted as liking this band. i can see why. i hear elements of 70's
    Yes, Genesis, Styx, Beatles, etc. they have thought provoking lyrics
    combined with wonderful arrangements. there's 4 songs on the disc;
    like 6, 12, 15, and 23 minutes each in length. they're not
    progressive metal... in fact, they sound more along the lines of
    echolyn and yes. the singer is fantastic, and all the band members
    play multiple instruments and/or sing. definitely one of my best cd
    purchases of the year, next to Braindance. (see below)

    Braindance - i've mentioned these guys before, but hey, since their's
    newbies lurking, what the heck. they describe themselves as "new age
    progressive gothic metal fusion". pretty good description. the
    singer has an astounding range, and a very dark haunting voice. not
    growling vocals, just dark sounding. the guitarist/bassist/drummer
    are all incredible. killer chops. the keyboardist is more of an
    atmospheric player. the heavy use of synths and samples make for a
    really cool ambient feel. this band incorporates metal, jazz,
    acoustic textures, and, well, damn near everything i can think of
    into a killer sound that is all their own. btw, the production is
    incredible considering this band is unsigned.

    i ordered both of these cds from The Laser's Edge (lasercd@aol.com).
    in both cases i sent a money order and recieved the cd 7-10 working
    days later.

    some other mentions... the new Michael Hedges cd rocks my nads. if
    you're into acoustic guitar with new age flavorings, check him out.
    the new Tool made me cringe, finally picked up John Coltrane's Giant
    Steps. WOW. ahem. what a humbling experience. Altura, to me,
    sounds like a good band, but i'm sorry, they sound like complete DT
    rip offs in places on their disc "Insights". i mean, some of their
    instrumental breaks are almost carbon copies, and there's one passage
    of a song (can't remember which one off hand) which is just too close
    to metropolis. basically, they sound like a band that wants to play
    like DT, but simply doesn't have the chops to do it. Lemur Voice is
    pretty cool; it's hard to understand the singer, but overall the
    band is solid. definitely worth the $$$.

    well, enough rambling for now.

    Andrew
      

                Andrew Miller - Keyboardist/Vocalist - SubtleRage
        http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage - subtlerage@earthlink.net

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:25:22 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: G3 Review
    Message-ID: <199610220125.SAA29630@iceland.it.earthlink.net>

    Ok! here it is, just like I warned you :)

    Tonight's headline:
    STU HAMM STEALS THE SHOW!
    more about that later in the broadcast....

    I, like most others, had very high expectaitions of this show...well,
    lemme tell you....I was totally blown away, by all of the performers..

    And first, a bit about the venue
    It was at the Dallas Music Complex...all tickets were General Admission...
    We got there early, and after a bit of pushing and shoving, I got up to
    about 5 feet from the stage!! it was awesome!! This place was pretty
    small...probably held quite a bit less than 5,000 people. and it was HOT!
    Damn, I almost fainted, there was a girl that passed out during Eric
    Johnsons set....I saw a couple people with DT shirts on, but they were a bit
    off in the distance, so I didn't work my way through the crowd to
    them....OK, now on to the music...

    First up was Adrian Legg...
    Man, this guy was was cool! I'd never seen anyone play like this...
    he was mostly playing folk-type music, and would constantly turn his
    tuning pegs to reach the notes he wanted (probably has some technical term,
    but I'm not a guitarist...I wouldn't know).. All I can say is WOW...it was
    great..
    very unexpected.....

    Next up was Steve Vai...
    Need I say more? it was Steve Vai! he opened with "There's a Fire In The
    House", which I totally expected him to do...but nonethe less, it ROCKED!!!
    Vai is very much the performer, very flashy...he came complete with a
    court-jester for a rythm guitarist/keyboardist/vocalist. He also did the
    obligitory slinging the guitar around his shoulders, and playing with his
    tounge...Perhaps the highlight of Vai's performance was when he played his
    part from Crossroads!!! it was so cool! I just was totally not expecting
    that...
    Steve Vai has a very large ego, but he wears it very well....Great set, even
    though it was only 50 minutes...

    Eric Johnson came on next...
    I had been looking forward to EJ the most out of all the performers...and I
    was definatly not dissapointed...the only gripe I had about his set was with
    the damn sound engineers...they kept fucking up!!! really pissed me off, and
    EJ looked to be getting ticked as well....but anyway, his set was awesome!!
    He played a few songs of his new album, including Venus Isle, and Camels
    Night Out.. He also played a new song that he and his band have been
    working on...it was really good, kinda groovy :) And then, we got a
    glimpse of what heaven must be like....he played the most incredible solo,
    and led it into Cliffs Of Dover...oh man, I'm surprised I didn't wet myself
    right then and there...hehe :)
    Needless to say...WOW!!!!! I could have left then, and been plenty happy....

    The last solo performer was Joe Satriani
    This was perhaps my favorite performance of the three.....Joe really knew
    how to play the audience...He is bald now, and it really fits him very well...
    He had Stu Hamm playing bass for him, which I will get to in a bit :) Joe
    played a few songs from Surfing, Extremist, and a couple others. I was very
    impressed with Always with You, Always With Me...this guy can really play!!
    He played Satch Boogie, and the crowd went wild...An all around great
    musician...

    Stu Hamm played a 15 minute solo....this was by far the best performance of
    the night. I was totally blown away...he really showed up the 3 guitarists,
    and I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a bass player...I was with 5
    guitarists, and they all said it before I did!! We all thought that Stu
    just stole the show!! His solo included the Charlie Brown theme, and the
    Country Music piece from "Radio Free Albumuth" It was rockin!!!! I
    couldn't belive my eyes and ears....Everyone in the audience had to pick
    their chins up off of the floor when he was done.. :)

    At the very end of the show, all of the guitarists came back on stage. They
    also had a special guest guitarist: Andy Timmons....I almost fainted when he
    came on stage, I had just ordered one of his CD's a couple weeks before
    (which hasn't come yet). This just put the icing on the cake... They
    jammed out to a few songs, and for the last piece, they played Red
    House...this part I will remember for the rest of my life...3 of the best
    guitarists in the world, jamming on stage at the same time.....I could have
    died and gone to heaven..
    Oh well, this is getting long, and I'm sure nobody has even read this far.
    Till Next time!

    Ryan

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:47:59 -0400
    From: DYNAMOJOE@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1952
    Message-ID: <961021214119_130753960@emout13.mail.aol.com>

    Hey Jammers,
        Just a quick post-- saw Mikey P. at a clinic he gave here in South
    Florida about a month or so ago -- played along with Raise The Knife (no
    vocals) and Just Let Me Breathe (Vocals) and I have to say the new stuff
    seriously freakin' rocks. The new disc is going to be something. Mike was
    nice enough to sign some CD sleeves and take a picture with me which was very
    cool. Had my purple Trey Allen Ytsejam shirt on which Mike got a kick out of
    -- said he hadn't seen one of those yet.
       Anyone have any idea about south florida G-3 dates or RUSH dates? I'm
    dying to get some idea when Rush will be rolling into town.
       On another note as far as new music thanks to the Jam goes, my list o' new
    cds consists of great stuff by Ivanhoe, Threshold, Lemur Voice, Altura,
    Shadow Gallery, and Enchant. Enchant is definately one of my favs.... their
    drummer really cooks. Heard they had a new one out but can't really find it.
    Anyone have info on how I can track down Superior or Leviathan? I also
    grabbed Echolyn and Magellan's "Impending Ascension" but can't really get
    into them as much. If someone wants the Magellan cd, it's yours for $12
    including shipping. Just email me personally and let me know.
       Think that's about it. Looking to get my hands on a few of Pat Griffen's
    new shirts. Everyone take care and let's pull for that double cd set in '97!
    Dave

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:09:00 +0000
    From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1953
    Message-ID: <326BF47C.214C@earthlink.net>

    everyone!! well, if you thought it was bad that
    someone got the Lemur Voice CD for 6 bucks...just wait till
    you hear this....
    I was at a used book store in Mesquite Texas on Saturday.....just
    browsing around....and whattya know, they have a little section with
    a few CD's in it....so I check it out...most of it was total crap..
    then, out of the corner of my eye, I catch a glimpse of Lemur Voice!!
    I took it out, and looked at the priced $2.99!!

    a bargain hunter in my own taste, im the guy who found it for 6 bucks,
    aint it great what you can find for next to nothing

    stan

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:05:42 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: DT mix CD...
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961021215659.14729B-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>

    On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
    > Well .. ok..since at the end ... "i sit down with my son..blah blah..many
    > years have come and gone..lived my life but now must move on.." ..well hes
    > saying that even if he (the dude) dies.. his spirit will live on.. it has a
    > LOT to do with that part of the lyrics..
    >
    Well, yes it has a lot to do with that part of the lyrics, but there's no
    basis for it. The earlier lines "I was blinded by a paradise, utopia high
    in the sky, a dream that only drowned me deep in sorrow, wondering why"
    doesn't suggest much hope for any sort of afterlife...and there's nothing
    to indicate that the speaker's opinion on that matter changes as his life
    goes on. Okay, so he has a son (who pops in out of nowhere for the last
    verse) and in some sense I suppose you could say his spirit will live on
    through his son...but that's an idea that's given very little weight in
    the rest of the song. We don't see, for instance, anyone else living on
    through the speaker, do we? so why should we expect him to live on through
    his son?

    gimme the "Don't go!" I don't *want* you to die! version anyday...

    -max

    Anton Max
    MadMax+@cmu.edu
    http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:18:18 -0400 (EDT)
    From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
    To: mere ad threat<ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: time sigs, SHMEGMA, and Mojo's last words
    Message-ID: <199610220218.WAA13618@cliff.cris.com>

    Matthew Sirios wrote:
    >can someone on this list lay down for me in concrete terms what he
    >big deal is with time changes? everyone keeps raving about how wonderful
    >various bands are because the keep making time changes... does that ability
    >alone really add so much to music? what's the deal? does classical music
    >utilize time changes? (say Mozart or Beethoven, as "classical" is kind of
    >broad) how about jazz? (say Miles Davis)
    > i'm asking honestly here, and yes, i do understand what a time
    >change is in the first place. i'm just a little curious as to why they are
    >regarded so highly on this list.
    Okay I guess I'm not the best person to answer this question because I
    usually don't judge a band on if they use time sig changes(but I do
    sometimes, hey I'm into DT!!). Okay a lot of people here like technically
    good bands. And this is a way to judge if a certain band is up to par with
    bands like DT who use time sig changes(propertly). Also, it shows that the
    bands put some time into the music. Which is cool! :) Oh wait almost
    forgot, if you're listening to other styles of music(classical, jaz, etc.)
    they use time sig changes too but it depends on the composer, or musican
    playing that happens to be playing.

    ProgRockBoy wrote, and I quote:
    >BUT! if the wood is not glossy (ebony, rosewood, or most basses) then be
    >cool and just use some elbow grease, and a guitar pick to scrape the
    >shmegma off, as any substance on the bare wood will damage it over time...
    WHOA! I've never had any shmegma on my bass but since we've been talking
    about "cock rock" around here lately, I guess it could happen ;-)

    And in memory of the great Mojoman I post this(yes I know he can't read this):
    >** I didn't join the rush list....
    so...
    >(I think Im getting a little stupid here....)
    I'm putting this in my sig file!!!
    >I do not suck dick
    he is just covering up :)
    >At least a handful
    >of you with a portion of a brian left will realize that I mean the present
    >members and kev Mo...) ^^^^^
    heheh, need I say more. ;-)
    > Regardless, I will not go quitely because I feel that at
    >least some can benefit from this post.
    Hmm, could someone explain to me how I can benefit from being called a cock
    sucker?

    And now a moment in silence.
    /me leaves silently
            
    John caber1@cris.com

    "I think Im[sic] getting a little stupid here...."
    ~Mojoman's moto

    Coming soon==> http://www.concentric.com/~caber1

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:31:58 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1948
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961021223532.273f21be@access.mountain.net>

    At 05:20 AM 10/21/96 -0700, somebody wrote:
    >I think that music in itself can
    >reveal MUCH emotion. Look at opera : often, it's in a foreign language that
    >most people don't understand (like Italian or French or German, etc) but
    >still, just the intensity of the music can be *very* emotionally stirring to
    >some people. Same with music from the "Three B's"... Have you listened to
    >Mozart's Requiem and not felt at least *something*?

    An excellent point, and one that doesn't need to be restricted to
    choral/vocal classical music, either. Seeing as it's nearly Halloween, a
    good example of instrumental music evoking emotions is Berlioz's "Symphonie
    Fantastique". It's based on a crush Berlioz had on an opera singer, and it
    goes from his infatuation trough an opium-induced dream where he ends up
    killing her and is hung and goes to hell. There is a theme, representing
    his love, that is woven throughout and goes from hautingly beautiful to just
    downright evil.

    Check it out. Really spooky, kids. :)

    Jonathan Byrne, 1L
    West Virginia University College of Law
    rael@access.mountain.net
    http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    "Features distorted in the flickering light
     Faces are twisted and grotesque
     Silent and stern in the sweltering night
     The mob moves like demons possessed."
     -Neil Peart, "Witch Hunt: Part III of 'Fear'", Rush

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Scott <skooc@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Metallica cover.
    Message-ID: <199610220235.TAA03549@iberia.it.earthlink.net>

    Damage, inc is on the Ronnie Scott's bootleg. It features Barney Greenway on
    Microphone Fellatio.

    At 05:24 PM 10/21/96 -0700, you wrote:
    >I thought DT covered "Battery" rather than "Damage, Inc." Either
    >way, I'm sure it's great.
    >
    >Glenn
    >
    >

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:37:55 -0400
    From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: pop quiz
    Message-ID: <199610220236.TAA23610@greta.teleport.com>

            I got a little trivia question:

            What do the songs "Space Dye Vest" and "Gazpacho" (By Marillion)
    have in common?

            This is pretty obscure, but I can say this: they are the ONLY songs
    by the respective bands that do/use this. Maybe this is easy, but I thought
    this similarity was striking.

            First person to get the answer right.....well...that's the surprise.

            Michelob

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:46:09 -0500
    From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: SDV/gazpacho
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961022024609.006eacd0@mail.inlink.com>

    > What do the songs "Space Dye Vest" and "Gazpacho" (By Marillion)
    >have in common?

    do they both relate to the same flick?

    just a shot in the dark, but oh well :)
                                                    ~Rip

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    Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:49:55 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: comments/g3 dallas/echolyn/more comments
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961021221952.14729C-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>

    > about time sigs... I don't find it odd that people use odd time but odd that
    > people don't write in odd time. 4/4 is cool and all but a time sig is a
    > slave to the melody and the feel of the song. i chalk up the influence of
    > 4/4 to lazy drummers... myself included and the overwhelming abundance of
    > ho-hum music.

    I think there's more too it than that. 4/4 is easy to dance to, for one
    thing (though back in MY day people danced in 6/8, and wrote ballets that
    changed time sigs every measure for the last few minutes and people danced
    to that and we LIKED it but that was back when dancing was an art form too
    grumble grumble), but seriously, I think there's something innately
    attractive about 4/4. It's very simple and primal, easy to lock into
    for an emotional payoff. It's fun to drive to, and it doesn't mess with
    you. Prog listeners like to be messed with a lot. We like puzzles and
    tricks and stuff that we can take time to figure out when we're bored.
    We want new and interesting things that we can discover in music so we
    like listening to it as much the 800th time as the first. Well, sometimes
    you don't want that. Sometimes you want something that just speaks
    straight to you, without challenging you. This is the kind of music that
    becomes popular in an era where people have better things to do than
    listen to music. Prog bands ask a lot of their listeners. Most people
    don't have that much to give. Too busy with their jobs and classes and
    TV shows and such.

    4/4 is the rock time sig. 1 2 1 2. Back and forth. Like a boat.

    okay, so 1914 wasn't really MY day...

    People have already explained the attractiveness of odd time sigs,
    so I won't bother.

    -max

    Anton Max
    MadMax+@cmu.edu
    http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html

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