YTSEJAM Digest 1792
Today's Topics:
1) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
2) DT taking time between albums
by kurt@fgallery.com
3) Beards and Mike Bahr
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
4) DT on TV....
by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
5) jam
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
6) DT on Dave Letterman
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
7) Mike Bahr's thoughts
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
8) DT on TV....
by kurt@fgallery.com
9) WDADU
by Craig <surfdog@execpc.com>
10) jam
by kurt@fgallery.com
11) Dt
by kurt@fgallery.com
12) WDADU
by kurt@fgallery.com
13) Jeez, Mike...
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@mailhost.vwc.edu>
14) Re: DT taking time between albums
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
15) Re: DT taking time between albums
by kurt@fgallery.com
16) Re: DT taking time between albums
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
17) GREAT jams!
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
18) Re: Tributes, Ray "Yoko" Danniels
by skooc@earthlink.net
19) Re: DT on Letterman
by skooc@earthlink.net
20) Re: Nice to be back again, but......
by skooc@earthlink.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 04:22:48 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Autoreply Message
Message-ID: <199609020923.AA17952@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content.
I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th
and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent,
please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be
returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:33:02 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT taking time between albums
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.9.33.2.2916992174.336888@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>>> I think that bandke DT should not take this long between albums.
YT>>> People forget about them and then their popularity diminishes. They
YT>>> haven't toured for quite awhile, no new album for quite awhile either. If
YT>>> it wasn't for this list, how many of us would still wonder about DT on a
YT>>> daily basis?
YT>I think DT was planning to be produced by Kevin Gilbert, no? He passed
YT>away, so that pretty much delyed things for most probably around 6 months.
YT>And at least DT doesn't makes us wait 5 years to produce sh*t like
YT>Metallica. So we should consider ourselves :-)) happy. Finally, DT fans are
YT>real faithful (for the moment) as long as DT remains so and doesn't sell
YT>out.
YT>The jam is here to attest.
YT>........................................................................
YT>D A V E K I N G
YT>vox & b MT-20
YT>"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
YT>"I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)
[
I agreee totally...Metallica couldve written that album in 6 mth
tops..i mean 5 years to write mediocre songs..when they only took maybe
2 (dunno wexactly) to write AND justice..wich is awesome.
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:27:58 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Beards and Mike Bahr
Message-ID: <322ae911.441651@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 23:54:59 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
> Anyone wishing to get Spock's beard should send your requests to Mr.
>Leonard Nimoy himself. Actually I don't recall any Vulcan ever having a beard.
Ah! But you are forgetting!! In the Trek episode where Kirk,
Scotty, McCoy and Uhura go aboard the ISS Enterprise (in a parallel
universe) Spock Does have a Beard!! Hence the band's name!
>doing. I for one will not boycott the album. I happen to agree with RUSH on
>the issue of the "tribute". Let's face it, RUSH is still here, and making
>damn good music. I mean you are not eligible for the Baseball Hall of Fame
>until you have been retired for Five years, so why make a tribute while they
>are still making new music?
Yes, but this could be said of a number of artists who are
still around. Deep Purple, Skynyrd, Sabbath, Priest (they have
reformed). I still think it's a greed and ego thing.
>Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 04:49:27 -0700 (MST)
>From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
>see all of you there!! I'll be flying there from Phoenix. I WILL bring CDs
>to sell, including a few older ones, but sorry, no Subcon or AD. I _did_
>set aside 5 each of Cygnus and Antiquities just as the well was running
>dry, because I wanted to make sure I could offer some at the Con. I'll
>have WDATU, SFAM, Critical Mass, and Inside the Storm as well.
That reminds me. Did you get my money order and letter for
SFAM, AQ and WDATU? I'm wondering because I sent it a couple weeks ago
and we had worked out our usual deal where you notify me that you
received it and when. I'm posing the question here so that I can avoid
sending an e-mail and a reply here. Yeah, I'm Lazy! ;)
I hope the post office didn't bite me again. :(
> An announcement about humble Mike's life. I will be wed to Melissa
>Benthusen on February 7, 1998.
Congrats! I had no idea! I take it she's either a DT fan or is
totally deaf. :)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on TV....
Message-ID: <199609021524.LAA20751@beasley.cris.com>
Well since everyone been talking about DT going on Letterman's show. I did
some thinking... How about DT on Politically Incorrect! Now, I know the
whole band can't go on but one of them can! One good joke could be about
one million albums!! :) But, forget the email of PI :( But I know its on
compuserve... Well, I'll get it tonight!
John
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:51:11 -0400
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jam
Message-ID: <322B026F.6991@earthlink.net>
> Have you ever heard Mike Portnoy play jazz? Can you guess WHY you've never
> heard him play jazz? :) Anyways, Dave'd give him hell because he's not used
> to doing a drum roll or a fill everytime Dave waves his hands.
Hmmmmmm........ being an avid listener of many jazz artists and a
big time DT fan I can certainly see alot of Jazz influence and style
in DT music.
> Isnt Berklee a Jazz/Fusion/ school?
Not sure there but I am sure that they probably do teach drum rolls,
flams, and paradiddles.
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:59:42 -0400
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on Dave Letterman
Message-ID: <322B046E.7C13@earthlink.net>
Ok folks, here's the address to the late show. Take a minute and
write to dave telling him you would like to see DT on his show. The
way I see it if we flood him them with mail the talent exec's may
become curiously interested. It may be a long shot but isn't this the
list that is partly responsible for ACOS? Lets see how strong a
large number of people can be. let's get them on TV and rock the Ed
Sulliven Theater.
cheers, stan
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 10:04:55 -0600
From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mike Bahr's thoughts
Message-ID: <322B05A7.4FE8@micron.net>
Hi all!!!
Mike=I truly enjoyed your comments!!I'm using this address 'cause dummy 'ol me deleted
the 'jams 'cause I was in a hurry this am. I found several of your points very well
done, and you made a hell of alot of sense in a sensless world!! Yes, I, as you've
noticed, am in a profession that allows me to see all the sides of life, from the really
prosperous to the rather poor. I see an awful lot of folx who don't take the time to
smell a flower or look at the sky, and I'm saddened when they don't feel that they have
the time to notice a sunset.
I, like several of us here on the 'jam feel that although monetarily poor, feel
extremely wealthy with friends and family. Yes, I bitch about income and "job" like
everyone else, but to be fairly honest, I'm a pretty happy gal. Sure, I wish I was able
to purchase the CD's you make, but thats an impossibility at this time. I do enjoy the
folx here on the 'jam. I actually feel like I've opened up a whole new world of friends,
both here and on the NMS. I've found more info that I ever thought possible about all
sorts of things!!
Thanks for your thoughts!! again I enjoyed them quite a bit!!
DT Rox<-- DT content <grin>
Keep rockin!!!
Pam
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Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton
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</__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o THE INTERNET
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:12:30 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on TV....
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.12.12.30.2916992174.336930@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>Well since everyone been talking about DT going on Letterman's show. I did
YT>some thinking... How about DT on Politically Incorrect! Now, I know the
YT>whole band can't go on but one of them can! One good joke could be about
YT>one million albums!! :) But, forget the email of PI :( But I know its on
YT>compuserve... Well, I'll get it tonight!
YT>John
I love that show.. but sometimes theres some guests who arent allowed to
speak very much,for example once they had bruce mccollough from Kids in
the hall and the pooor guy couldt say anything cuz no one let him! If
Dt's ever on that show.. i hope its portnoy cuz he wont be quieted down!
:)
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:06:47 -0700
From: Craig <surfdog@execpc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDADU
Message-ID: <322B2236.3DB3@execpc.com>
This is to Jen who was asking about the WDADU US stuff. I actually have
5 versions of WDADU..One is on vinyl which went for around $30 at a
show.
The other is on tape which I scroungeda near $4 for at a used tape
place. Then I have 3 versions to the CD. One is the 89 US version, which
I am told wasn't around a lot. An imported version released by Mechanic
later, in France or/and Germany, and the One Way version released in 96.
The difference isn't a lot.
THE 89 US-The spine is in red/white/blue. with Mechanic mentioned first.
THE Import-Just a red/blue spine with DT mentioned first
One Way-Cheap version, no insides, Blue/white spine.
Anyone looking for boots, you may find something you don't have at
http://www.execpc.com/~surfdog/dt.html
I am also looking for the Vinyl to Images as well, if anyone has any
info where I can get it. I know of it's existance. Keep Jammin'!!!!
AND GET TEST FOR ECHO on Tuesday!!!! :)
Craig surfdog@execpc.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:14:16 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jam
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.12.14.16.2916992174.336931@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>> Have you ever heard Mike Portnoy play jazz? Can you guess WHY you've never
YT>> heard him play jazz? :) Anyways, Dave'd give him hell because he's not use
YT>> to doing a drum roll or a fill everytime Dave waves his hands.
YT>
YT>Hmmmmmm........ being an avid listener of many jazz artists and a
YT>big time DT fan I can certainly see alot of Jazz influence and style
YT>in DT music.
YT>> Isnt Berklee a Jazz/Fusion/ school?
YT>Not sure there but I am sure that they probably do teach drum rolls,
YT>flams, and paradiddles.
It is a jazz fusion school.. i mean i have the brochure and thats
basically it also they teach gospel and studio engineerin stuff (this im
not sure) its basically jazz..thats why during the awake tour dt's jams
were mostly jazz based.. cuz now with derek all the musical piece of the
band is from berklee..
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:17:08 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dt
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.12.17.8.2916992174.336933@bbs.fgallery.com>
Already sent out my mail requesting Dt to be on the show..
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:21:50 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDADU
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.12.21.50.2916992174.336939@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>This is to Jen who was asking about the WDADU US stuff. I actually have
YT>5 versions of WDADU..One is on vinyl which went for around $30 at a
YT>show.
YT>The other is on tape which I scroungeda near $4 for at a used tape
YT>place. Then I have 3 versions to the CD. One is the 89 US version, which
YT>I am told wasn't around a lot. An imported version released by Mechanic
YT>later, in France or/and Germany, and the One Way version released in 96.
YT>The difference isn't a lot.
YT>THE 89 US-The spine is in red/white/blue. with Mechanic mentioned first.
YT>THE Import-Just a red/blue spine with DT mentioned first
YT>One Way-Cheap version, no insides, Blue/white spine.
YT>Anyone looking for boots, you may find something you don't have at
YT>http://www.execpc.com/~surfdog/dt.html
YT>I am also looking for the Vinyl to Images as well, if anyone has any
YT>info where I can get it. I know of it's existance. Keep Jammin'!!!!
YT>AND GET TEST FOR ECHO on Tuesday!!!! :)
YT>Craig surfdog@execpc.com
What do you mean by the spine being red/blu whatever?
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:22:33 -0300
From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@mailhost.vwc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jeez, Mike...
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960902122437.2aefe320@mailhost.vwc.edu>
I just woke up ten minutes ago (ahhhh, I love Labor Day) and already you've
got my poor brain circuits are frying! AHHHHHHH!!!
No, seriously, just wanted to say congrats on the engagement, and may you be
eternally blessed, if you aren't already. :D
Jaime the sleepy (and hungry) Dragon
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:29:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT taking time between albums
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960902122329.13670H-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Alrighty, Kids. I think were getting a tad out of hand here.
David Letterman's show is a pop act, my friends. Have you ever
noticed the bands on there all have little catchy singles? There's a
reason for this@! David likes to stay in the norm, and Dream Theater,
for however much we like them, isn't the norm.
Let's look at it from David's side: what would _HE_ get out of
it? Let's face it, not a whole lot of people know of Dream Theater. The
crowd may not be a crowd that can accept a "Dream Theater" type of band.
The band itsself may not want this. Do they want to be in the spotlight
like that and be in front of 10 million people? It's quite a lot for us
to be saying to them "Yeah!@!# Go up and play!@" but it's a lot different
when _YOU_ have to be the one doing it.
Also remember that the bands being played on Letterman are
SUPPORTING something, usually an album. Dream Theater isn't supporting
an album...yet. <a side note, i know, but an important one>
Keeping all this in mind, i don't think it would be appropiate
for the Theater to play Letterman at this time. Hey, that's just my opinion.
Mike, aka Syrinx.
(c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:43:26 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT taking time between albums
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.12.43.26.2916992174.336949@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>Alrighty, Kids. I think were getting a tad out of hand here.
YT> David Letterman's show is a pop act, my friends. Have you ever
YT>noticed the bands on there all have little catchy singles? There's a
YT>reason for this@! David likes to stay in the norm, and Dream Theater,
YT>for however much we like them, isn't the norm.
YT>
YT> Let's look at it from David's side: what would _HE_ get out of
YT>it? Let's face it, not a whole lot of people know of Dream Theater. The
YT>crowd may not be a crowd that can accept a "Dream Theater" type of band.
YT>The band itsself may not want this. Do they want to be in the spotlight
YT>like that and be in front of 10 million people? It's quite a lot for us
YT>to be saying to them "Yeah!@!# Go up and play!@" but it's a lot different
YT>when _YOU_ have to be the one doing it.
YT> Also remember that the bands being played on Letterman are
YT>SUPPORTING something, usually an album. Dream Theater isn't supporting
YT>an album...yet. <a side note, i know, but an important one>
YT> Keeping all this in mind, i don't think it would be appropiate
YT>for the Theater to play Letterman at this time. Hey, that's just my opinion
YT>Mike, aka Syrinx.
YT>(c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Yep..youre right..to some extent.. but if hes had Megadeth on for a
couple of times..then..DT wouldt be so much difrent in the sense of
acceptance..and also it would be supporting the new record..like next
year!
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:57:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: kurt@fgallery.com
Subject: Re: DT taking time between albums
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960902125558.17945A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> YT> David Letterman's show is a pop act, my friends. Have you ever
> YT>noticed the bands on there all have little catchy singles? There's a
> YT>reason for this@! David likes to stay in the norm, and Dream Theater,
> YT>for however much we like them, isn't the norm.
> YT>
> YT> Let's look at it from David's side: what would _HE_ get out of
> YT>it? Let's face it, not a whole lot of people know of Dream Theater. The
> YT>crowd may not be a crowd that can accept a "Dream Theater" type of band.
> YT>The band itsself may not want this. Do they want to be in the spotlight
> YT>like that and be in front of 10 million people? It's quite a lot for us
> YT>to be saying to them "Yeah!@!# Go up and play!@" but it's a lot different
> YT>when _YOU_ have to be the one doing it.
>
> YT> Also remember that the bands being played on Letterman are
> YT>SUPPORTING something, usually an album. Dream Theater isn't supporting
> YT>an album...yet. <a side note, i know, but an important one>
>
> YT> Keeping all this in mind, i don't think it would be appropiate
> YT>for the Theater to play Letterman at this time. Hey, that's just my opinion
>
>
>
> YT>Mike, aka Syrinx.
> YT>(c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
> Yep..youre right..to some extent.. but if hes had Megadeth on for a
> couple of times..then..DT wouldt be so much difrent in the sense of
> acceptance..and also it would be supporting the new record..like next
> year!
He had them on how many times? Were they supporting "Youthanasia?" Were
they on tour? Did they have a catchy little single to play? Is
Megadeath well known? Is Dream Theater well known?
I think you're beginning to see my point, here.
Mike, aka Syrinx.
(c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:58:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: GREAT jams!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.960902114957.17385C-100000@enteract.com>
The last couple of jams have been great. I have a few notes tho. I'll do
them in the order they appeared.
WildKoba, THANK YOU for that info. A buddy of mine just moved to Chino
Hills and he needs a way to meet some musician friends. The Vai thing is
not only a dream to him, but an excellent opportunity. I am going to have
to make sure he tapes it.
Symphony X for $40?!?! I know someone who knows Michael Romeo. Mail me.
I may be able to get you a copy at a reasonable price. No tacked on fees
by me... if at all possible, I'm going to get you hooked up with whatever
ordering info he has for US fans.
Thanks for the Sieges Even review. I'll be buying that.
I just realized that there are DT fans who haven't been willing to take a
risk on Fates Warning's newer albums. What a world.
Finally, I want to publicly thank Mike Bahr for his posts. Needless to
say, Mike really said a mouthful.
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Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C.
Technical Support Engineer
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T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tributes, Ray "Yoko" Danniels
Message-ID: <199609021723.KAA28502@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
At 12:04 AM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
I happen to agree with RUSH on the issue of the "tribute". Let's face it,
RUSH is still here, and making damn good music. I mean you are not eligible
for the Baseball Hall of Fame until you have been retired for Five years, so
why make a tribute while they are still making new music?
Let's see; Black Sabbath, KISS, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Yes and Judas
Priest are all bands that have tribute cd's and still make new music (Judas
Priest have a new singer and are working on an album last I heard). Thanks
to Magna Carta, there will be even more tribute discs to come.
> Senor MOJO, If Ray Daniels has destroyed the mighty Van Halen, does
>that mean that they don't have the "final say" like you said RUSH did? I
>just think they would too, don't you?
>
Ray's a great Manager! in just two years he managed to break up Van Halen
and possibly break up Extreme also by bringing Gary in as the VH's new singer.
Maybe he should change his name to YOKO. Although since Alex Van Halen and
his wife are divorcing, maybe Ray will quit as the VH manager now that Alex
is his EX son-in-law.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:43:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT on Letterman
Message-ID: <199609021743.KAA29450@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
Emailing Letterman is a great idea. One which I believe was discussed here a
few months ago. Personally what I think we should do is wait until there is
a release date for the new album and then do a mass email to him. There's no
reason to do it now because DT has nothing to promote. Save the lateshow
email address and then in January we can do a ytse-mailing and get our
favorite band some notional exposure.
Scott
lateshow email
At 01:36 AM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey, I just remembered, Letterman's had Megadeth on something like
>three times, so why couldn't DT do it?
>
> Dale R. Newberry
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Nice to be back again, but......
Message-ID: <199609021745.KAA29567@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
>2) I know there must be a lot of places to talk live to other jammers,
>anyone wan't to enlighten a fellow jammer where to meet other people???
>Perhaps on powwow????
The IRC!
server address is <irc.dreamt.org> and port is <2112> Channel <#ytsejam>
Scott Cook (aka Grinder on irc)
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