YTSEJAM Digest 1813
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Cairo...
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
2) Cairo -- a tepid defense
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
3) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
4) Commercialism and DT
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1811
by Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se>
6) Stuff
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
7) Angry old man...
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
8) Autoreply Message
by John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
9) YTSEJAM digest 1776
by kurt@fgallery.com
10) A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer.
by kurt@fgallery.com
11) Commercialism and DT
by kurt@fgallery.com
12) Letter to eMpTyV
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
13) Test for Echo
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
14) Rick
by svjohnson@amoco.com
15) Re: Kings X suggestions (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
16) (U)My autoreplies
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1812
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
18) Innocence Faded?
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
19) hooray for Scott Herman!
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
20) Re: A Letter to MTV from a Concerned Viewer
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1811
by ALVAREZ1@applelink.apple.com (Alvarez, Paul)
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 3:10:09 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cairo...
Message-ID: <9609090710.AA14245@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
You know, I could easily say what you said about bands with too much guitar.
Cairo isn't just keys. Their guitar player kicks ass, and they even have a
bass player you can hear because he isn't buried under six or seven guitar
overdubs. The drummer is quite good, too. The singer is great. So what, they
sound like ELP. I love them. And ELP is heavy keys too, and they are a very
well-respected rock band. Why are keyboards such a bad thing? Are guitarists
mad that we can do more with our cheesey synths than they can? Are guitarists
jealous because they can fake their way through on their instrument and we
have to become proficient to get respect? Are guitarists mad that there are
more people to slander the name of the guitar like most alternative
guitarists today than there are keyboard players?> Why are keyboard so
disrespected? Somebody tell me, really want to know, because I am sick of
keyboard bashing.
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cairo -- a tepid defense
Message-ID: <199609090659.AA27033@crl12.crl.com>
I liked the Cairo CD, but it's one of those CDs you have to be In the
Mood for -- to me, they sounded a lot like Yes, which is a cool thing
as long as you're expecting it and like Yes, which I do.
Only one shopping day left before you have to not-shop for T4E and
wait a week. :) 96rock here finally played the T4E album premiere,
a few days after the rest of the planet (they waited until 11pm
Sunday, so as not to offend the rednecks too much with brilliance).
Sounded good upon first listen, not terrific, but not lame.
Five Gratuitously Kewl CDs/tapes:
1. Superior, behind <--- so far, best CD I've heard during 1996
2. Bonedance, 7-track demo (just ask Skadzzzz :))
3. The Hunger, Devil Thumbs a Ride ("Vanishing Creme" is excellent)
4. KoRn, KoRn
5. Our Lady Peace, Naveed
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Korn Bonedance --- www.crl.com/~vanyel ------ Metallica Hawkwind Enya Superior Mutha's Day Out Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult "You can find all you need in your mind / If you take the time.." -DT------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 02:15:43 -0500 From: svjohnson@amoco.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Autoreply Message Message-ID: <199609090716.AA19558@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content. I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent, please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: 9 Sep 1996 02:57:16 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Commercialism and DT Message-ID: <199609090800.BAA23661@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey there! Regarding what Digital Man posted in the jam, I don't care if DT becomes "commercial" or not, because I'll buy their next album (preferably a double, hehheh) the instant I see it. If I don't like it, which is most unlikely, then maybe I'd put off buying the one after that until I'd heard it. The fact is, and I know you all agree, DT is one of a very few musical entities today whom I trust to release new music that I like. No pretentiousness intended there, just the simple truth. "Commercialism" has little to do with my opinions about music, since I don't have a radio in my car and I try to avoid MTV (except for B&B). That way, to me, nothing suffers from overexposure - if I don't want to hear something, I don't play it.
I really don't know how I'd vote on this issue, though - I realize that some of the things I love most about DT are exactly what makes them "uncommercial" - getting rid of them would mean possibly losing some of their appeal to me. That's a very selfish attitude, however, and I would be very happy if the members of DT became millionaires - they deserve it. They've already given me (and all of you) a lot of wonderful music that could not have been created by anyone else. What could I possibly give them in return to show my gratitude? My support is all I have to offer. I'll buy the albums, go see the shows, (if they ever play within 500 fookin' miles of here...) etc.
What the hell...I'll go out on a limb and say I'll support whatever they do. That's not a promise - that's a prediction. I trust DT to keep doing things I love and learn from, and to keep getting better a doing them. If you haven't skipped to the next post yet, thanks for reading.
Bye, Ytsefriends,
Mark Peters big.swifty@twav.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 10:39:04 +0200 From: Jan Melander <jan.melander@got.wmdata.se> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1811 Message-ID: <9609090936.AA15190@goethe.got.wmdata.se>
Hi again,
> Is the Dalbello mentioned on the last digest the same Dalbello >that wrote Queensryche's "Gonna Get Close to You" and sang "Start Today" >on the Victor album (Alex Lifeson's side project)?
I don't know about the Queensryche song but I'm quite sure that she is the one on the Victor album (thou I haven't heard it yet :-( ) since she is canadian and have spent most of the time since her last album doing guest appearances on other artists records. But after listening to her latest album I would guess she's the one for Queensryche too.
Cheers,
Jan Melander jan.melander@got.wmdata.se +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ .sig under construction +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:42:43 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <v03007801ae59b12290e2@[128.178.99.94]>
Hi y'all
> Think about this, also. If Dream Theater ever gets the >recognition they deserve, there will probably be people who consider >themselves fans that make me look good. Would you rather they stayed in >relative obscurity?
Just as I'd like DT to stay in obscurity. IMO, the worst thing that could happen to DT is to get recognishit. They're better off as far as they can be from the music industry.
>Shit....last time I was in Siberia, I picked up a copy of "David Lee Roth >does Polka".....hmmm you may haveseen my evil russian twin.... > >M O J O I T A I N ' T J U S T F O R B R E A K F A S T A N Y M O R E >!!!!
hehe :)
Hey, BTW I got my drummer to sign on to the jam! He's been into DT for years but only recently got an e-mail. C'mon, cheer up, he's as cewl as I am ;-)
Finally, how come I get all the BS about me posting too much and no one says shit to Dale Newberry...
huh?
No offense intended, Monty :)
........................................................................ D A V E K I N G vox & bass MT-20
"Holding on is easier than letting go" (fw) "I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt) "Life's a bitch; so fuck it!!" (dk)
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 13:53:01 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: Angry old man... Message-ID: <9609091153.AA00362@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Fuck Dream Theater on Conan O'Brian.
Fuck Dream Theater on David Letterman.
Fuck Dream Theater on Jay Leno.
Fuck Dream Theater on MTV.
Let's get Dream Theater back where they belong: on tour and on stage in a town near you soon!
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Samael - Passage
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 07:06:47 -0500 From: John Dea <jrdea@novia.net> To: "~YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Autoreply Message Message-ID: <199609091207.HAA17849@oasis.novia.net>
CLASSIFICATION:UNCLASSIFIED
Lt Dea is currently TDY to BCOT and will return on 13 Jan 96. Until then, all mail is being forwarded to Lt Jones.
UNCLASSIFIED
Just kidding (-8
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:02:46 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1776 Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.9.9.2.46.2916992174.339739@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>MATT NO LONGER LIVES AT THIS ADDRESS, PLEASE SUSPEND ALL EMAIL YT>MESSAGES...
Uh...no longer "lives" at this adress?
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:07:56 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer. Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.9.9.7.56.2916992174.339740@bbs.fgallery.com>
Scott herman.. thats letter was funny as hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe Mtv will take it seriously..or take it the other way around and play some DT..so cheers to you.. funny letter..
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:17:26 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Commercialism and DT Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.9.9.17.26.2916992174.339742@bbs.fgallery.com>
Yes.. but if DT goes COmmercial..their music IS gonna suffer through some sad changes.. much as Metallica's did..when One got rotation on mTv.. they said "Whoa we could get used to this" then they made the Black album..which is still a good one,but has no comparison with And justice or Puppets,. and now they made Load..which is completely within the norm of music right now.. simple riffs,no solo's, etc.. If in fact DT was to become commercial..i think they would have to compromise their music..and that would suck.. if they can get recognition..let it be because people finally understand what is complex thought-out music and whats just plain crappy music..and the difrence betweeen a well trained musical ensemble..and just some kids wanking together..
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 13:34:30 GMT From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) To: anthem@virginia.edu Subject: Letter to eMpTyV Message-ID: <M.090996.153430.85@wxs1-2.worldaccess.nl>
That 'letter to MTV' was fucking hilarious (sorry for the expletive there). Haven't had such a laugh in weeks, and I sorely needed one. You're giving Ben and Bafu a run for their money there... (By the way, I think the line about dancing in odd meters will really have gone over their heads)
This is the stuff that a good day's reading is made out of. -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?" | \--------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:41:23 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Test for Echo Message-ID: <v01510105ae59960e2cc6@[137.238.26.12]>
> I picked it up yesterday (the 6th) 4 days before release date. >What can I say, I have friends in local retail. :) > I think it is similar to CP although perhaps a little more >aggressive. I like most of it but it isn't the Rush that I grew up >with anymore. Granted, everyone changes, but it's still missing >something.
I heard a track from it last week on the radio and thought that it was good, another friend emailed me and said the following:
"I'm underwhelmed by this - where are the @#$%! keys??????
-BABS
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 08:42:39 -0500 From: svjohnson@amoco.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rick Message-ID: <199609091343.AA03086@interlock.amoco.com>
Rick I am sorry to hear about your wife, Sue. I hope for only the best possible results in these very trying times. I and the rest of the Jam are behind you and her. Steve
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:54:43 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Kings X suggestions (NDTC) Message-ID: <v01520d00ae5987a08f3a@[207.90.122.31]>
Brandon <belhai@drew.edu> from Y'Jam #1810 wrote: > I recently bought "gretchen goes to Nebraska" by Kings X and > I like it alot. I would appreciate any suggestions on which > of their albums to get next. Thanks.
GGTN is a great start. I'd also try Out of the Silent Planet (their first) or Ear Candy (their most recent). Their others- Dogman, King's X, and Faith Hope Love- are all great too...
Here's my ranking of KX albums: 1. OOTSP, 2. GGTN, 3. EC, 4. Dog, 5. KX, 6. FHL
> Brandon (Taco Belhai)
Dan
---+ Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page" ---+
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Date: 09 Sep 1996 08:37:08 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: (U)My autoreplies Message-ID: <199609091419.AA05585@interlock.amoco.com>
SORRY, ALL!
Totally brain cramped on unsubscribing. But now that I know I may win a spot for "months most frequent poster" I regret nothing! :)
I just got back from two days in Scarborough, England, three days in London and three days in Paris. Scarborough was a wedding, then just some kick around time. For you jammers who live in these countries, I envy you! I'd take waiting longer for Dream Theater any day if I got to live in one of these cities.Jammers, if you EVER have the slightest chance to go, DO IT! It was my 4th time to Europe and I'm still amazed!
Anyway, sorry for not unsubcribing for the time I was away. LATER-
Steve
*************************************************************** "You may remember me from such movies as 'P is for Pyscho' and 'The President's Neck is Missing!'" - actor Troy McClure
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1812 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609091009.E27483-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > Subject: A Letter To MTV From A Concerned Viewer.
[snip]
> Again, be forewarned of this group of "Ytsejammers". They will resort to > guerrilla tactics if provoked, especially during this time of year... many > of them are rather restless, as the season is approaching when their > leader, who goes by the name Bafu Vai, will return to their ranks. Do not > delay in refusing their efforts! When this leader rejoins them, there is > no telling what they might do.
I still have tears in my eyes from laughing. This is the best letter to MTV I have ever read. This belongs on someone's web page. This belongs on *everyone's* web page.
Good work, Scotch. :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:55:34 +0000 From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Innocence Faded? Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.960909105318.48674A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
Hello Jammers!
Just one quick Question.. I was wondering if anyone has seen a DT Bootleg with Innocence Faded? Its the only song that I have Not heard Live...
Thanks,
//######################################################\\ // Jim Lutz "Time was never on my side, \\ // So on I wait my whole lifetime" \\ // lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu -Metallica \\ // YtseJim@DreamT.org \\ //################################################################\\
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:07:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hooray for Scott Herman! Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960909095950.27365C-100000@rossby>
Hey all:
Scott had the PERFECT flavor of an MTV parody letter with his last posting. I was dying laughing! I mean, I could truly see these host(esses) on MTV cringing and having nervous breakdowns at a lengthy song, or progressive, non-grungy music. This is why I DO NOT watch MTV, and thanks to the e-mail address provided by other ytsejammers, I let MTV know why I don't watch them anymore. I DID put in a request for Dream Theater music, but told them that since they don't play videos, I just don't watch their channel.
Well, it would probably be an embarrasment having some of those shows actually playing DT music. Although the publicity never hurt any. We just need to get some intelligence back into teen idol music, rather than the perpetual-humdrum-dance-"I want you,baby"-drum-machine-programmed- mindlesscrap-notalent-bass on the downbeat-type music.
TTYL, Jon
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:03:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Letter to MTV from a Concerned Viewer Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609091000.A96116-0100000@acs3.bu.edu>
I'm impressed. That was a great letter. Are you really going to send that? Those are the kinds of letters that should be sent to publications such as Rolling Stone ("toilet paper with pictures"). Maybe some people could be reached, and, if not, we can remind them that there is an alternative (pun intended, of course) to their manufactured, dictated norms.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
"art as expression, not as market campaigns will still capture our imagination" Rush "Natural Science": III "Permanent Waves" c 1980 Core Music Publishing (SOCAN) CAPAC used without permission
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Date: 09 Sep 96 14:44 GMT From: ALVAREZ1@applelink.apple.com (Alvarez, Paul) To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1811 Message-ID: <842281209.5902989@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
> Guys and gals: Don't buy Cairo. Please. > I mean, I don't own it or anything. I haven't even heard it. But every >month or so someone on the jam says "Due to some recommendations on the >Jam, I got the CD form the Magna Carta band called Cairo. I didn't like it >because it had too much keyboards/synth stuff..." OK, you asked for it and here it is: PLEASE don't recommend something you know nothing about. How can you go on about what this band sounds like when YOU'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD THEM!? >Am I right or what? Apparently Cairo sucks big wanker unless you are >HEAVILY into keys stuff. I've been on this list for at least a year now >(has it been two?) and I seriously can't recall someone actually REALLY >LIKING Cairo. Maybe people would go as far as to say that they don't >suck, but that's about it. =) No you're not right. FYI, Cairo doesn't suck. They are a really good band that happens to have an excellent keyboardist but also has a very good guitar player. In my opinion, they mixed the guitar a bit too far back and that's probably why people may think they're a "keyboard band" but the man does have some chops and the band as a whole is talented. In case people are looking for a more informed opinion (rather than yours), Cairo has a "big" sound similar to Yes with some Genesis and ELP type musical passages. If you recall early Genesis, the guitar seemed to be mixed a bit back which sounded textural rather than what you might hear in prog metal. Their singer is very good and they have intelligent lyrics and nicely arranged harmonies. I can understand that people who prefer prog metal might not like a prog rock band that features keys a bit more. Again, in my opinion, the only other aspect of their production that could be improved on is that the drums are also a bit too far back in the mix. This is a solid first effort and should be supported by the prog community. We need more bands doing this type of material to succeed. >I'm just saying this to save people money... Just because the We The Jam >(Hey - I kinda like that...) promote Magna Carta and their bands, doesn't >mean that every MC band is awesome. > >So one more time: If you're looking to pick up Cairo, BE PREPARED FOR >TONS OF KEYS!!!!!! People: Imprint the following association in your heads: > >Cairo = Keys >Cairo = Keys >Cairo = Keys > >Got it??? Now I don't want to hear a WORD about someone whining that >Cairo has too much keys for you!!! > >WE ALREADY KNOW!!!!!!!! >CAIRO HAS TOO MUCH KEYS FOR EVERYBODY!!!!!!!! Too much keys relative to what? Again, please don't be so absolute and I doubt you speak for all the jammers out there.
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