YTSEJAM Digest 1807
Today's Topics:
1) bad DT "fans"
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
3) QUINNIPIAC COLLEGE - HAMDEN, CT JAMMERS
by Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
4) Damon...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
5) Just a thought
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
6) Re: Just a thought
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1805
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
8) Re: Autoreply Message
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
9) Re: Skadz's rules
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
10) Re: Double CDs and some Rush thoughts
by skooc@earthlink.net
11)
by
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1803
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
13) Just a thought
by kurt@fgallery.com
14) <none>
by kurt@fgallery.com
15) Re: Double CDs and some Rush thoughts
by skooc@earthlink.net
16)
by
17) MTV music awards (ytsejam post) (fwd)
by NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
18) MY THOUGHTS (Part 2)
by Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM>
19) MY THOUGHTS (Part 1)
by Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM>
20) Working man
by kurt@fgallery.com
21) amendation
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 20:02:46 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: bad DT "fans"
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960907010246.006bd1a4@mail.inlink.com>
> I've yet to meet a Dream Theater fan that I don't like.
but what about a horrid conversion-gone-bad of a trend follower whom you
tried to show the other sides of music by showing them your favorite band in
the world, which they latched on to like any other trend?
oo boy, norton anti-virus just kicked in.. time for the weekly scan! i'll
sned this off
happy jamming =>
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 20:14:42 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Autoreply Message
Message-ID: <199609070115.AA12801@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content.
I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th
and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent,
please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be
returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:04:25 -0400
From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QUINNIPIAC COLLEGE - HAMDEN, CT JAMMERS
Message-ID: <199609070204.WAA19014@usa.nai.net>
Hi. If there a guy or gal on the 'jam who goes to Quinnipiac College
in Hamden, CT ...please email me at axe@nai.net
I'm not sure that this person is on the 'jam or not, but the other day while
walking to class from my car I noticed an Oldsmobile with a HUGE MAJESTY
SYMBOL in their back window. It floored me completely....to not only find
a fan of the band, but someone who must like them so much as to put a huge
Majesty symbol sticker on their back window!!!
If this person is on the list, please email me at axe@nai.net
THANKS!!!
Tim L.
axe@nai.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:19:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Damon...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960906211812.28283B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Damon said:
>Any fans of mine, (yeah, sure) can get in touch, I am here until august.
Man, that was quick... Concidering it's September now, you didn't give
your fans much of a chance... :)
Just joking Damon, welcome back... see you on IRC..
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| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:18:07 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just a thought
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960907021807.0068bf00@ee.net>
DTC :)
I was just sitting here reading through some posts with Mtv content,
and it hit me. I've seen people post about petitioning Letterman and SNL
to have DT on the show, but those are tough shows to get them on.
Maybe someone has mentioned this in here before, but I haven't seen it yet:
Let's pick a set day to all email Mtv with DEMANDS for Dream Theater airplay!
It is much more accessable and much more likely to get results than emailing
Letterman or SNL. Mtv has a Web site that encourages feedback! Well, let's
give them some fucking feedback!
I'm just as fed up as the rest of you about the lack of respect from
music industry giants like Mtv for DT and Progressive in general. Let's
let them know!!!!!!!!
I'm gonna throw a random date at ya'll, and I'll be watching to see if
anyone else is interested. how about Monday September 9th? Mass DT email
piles into the Mtv server and either get's a response or brings the server
to it's knees :) Hopefully this post will draw some positive
responses....
buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster "When Dream and Doom Unite!"
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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:43:29 -0400
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Just a thought
Message-ID: <3230E151.4B98@caribe.net>
Dave Hatlee wrote:
> Let's pick a set day to all email Mtv with DEMANDS for Dream Theater airplay!
> It is much more accessable and much more likely to get results than emailing
> Letterman or SNL. Mtv has a Web site that encourages feedback! Well, let's
> give them some fucking feedback!
>
*grin* I've done it lots of times, so I'll do it again! :)
-- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | mailto:kain@caribe.net | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1805 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609062301.A177429-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>
>D-Man wrote: >> I've yet to meet a Dream Theater fan that I don't like.
>Neither have I. I've been to many concerts, but the only concerts where >the fans in the queue outside were all sharing food and drink, even >though we were all complete strangers, were the DT concerts.
>We are wonderful :-)
>Graham B.
I'd hate to ruin you're great reputations as fans, so I'll suggest to you all that you don't ever meet me. You won't be able to say, "I've yet to meet a Dream Theater fan that I don't like." Think about this, also. If Dream Theater ever gets the recognition they deserve, there will probably be people who consider themselves fans that make me look good. Would you rather they stayed in relative obscurity?
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
five cds I've been playing recently:
Deep Purple Made in Japan (Warner Bros.) White Lion Mane Attraction (Atlantic) Rush Fly By Night (Mercury) Mahavishnu Orchestra Birds of Fire (Columbia) Aerosmith Pump (Geffen)
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:59:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: svjohnson@amoco.com Subject: Re: Autoreply Message Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960906235915.13956A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Item Subject: Auto Reply content. > I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th > and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent, > please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be > returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Do we know any jammers in the 312 area code to tell Neil Geary to SHUT THE FUCK UP?
:p
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 21:03:25 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Skadz's rules Message-ID: <9609070403.AA02166@tengs1>
>>On Thu 05 Sep, Pat Daugherty wrote: >> You forgot one Skadz!!!! No autoreply messages if you are going to be =
>> away for weeks... >> =
>That guy's going to feel *so* embarassed when he gets back from his holid= >ay, >fetches all the jams he missed and finds that every tenth message is his >own autoreply... > >Hehe!
Hey! Doesn't your post fall under one of Skadz's "no-nos"? For that matter, doesn't mine? Irony.
Zach
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:18:49 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Double CDs and some Rush thoughts Message-ID: <199609070418.VAA02033@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
For us ytsejammers the new DT as a double cd would be a dream come true.
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Scott Cook
At 05:16 PM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> >> Subject: "To-See-D!" :-) & "Test For Ego" >> >> Just read this in alt.music.dream-theater : >> >> > Here's a quote from the metal column in 'Beat' (a street newspaper >> > here in Melbourne, Australia): >> > >> > 'Dream Theater are lobbying their record label to allow their upcoming >> > album to be a double album. The recording is set to commence shortly >> > with Metropolis Part 2 set to get a guernsey' >> >> Maybe it's up to *us* to convince EastWest that a 2CD *would* be the >> way to go !!! :-) If the guys themselves want the next album to be >> a double, they must have enough quality stuff to use for it... >> If they *do*, *I* wanna have it !!! Are you guys with me on this ? :-D > >I'm still not convinced that the band is for this. I know Mike would >like it, but I'm not sure that we know what the band thinks as a whole. >So, here's my idea: > >I know that some members of the band are here reading our thoughts, and >I know they probably don't want us all to have their e-mail addresses. >So, guys, if you have thoughts about whether we should petition >EastWest, pick a trustworthy jammer (perhaps Skadz, our fearless and >heavily intoxicated leader) and tell him what you think, so that he can >relay your thoughts to us. If you guys are into it, we'll get your >back. :) > >> I just got 'Test For Echo' today :-) (on it's release date, of course) > >ALREADY??? Damn! You lucky Europeans! > >---- > >> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> >> Subject: Journey To The Center Of Nothing In Particular >> >> Five Gratuitous CD's: >> ===================== >> 2. Rush: Rush > >And I thought I was the only one that still listens to this one... :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary > cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn > d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed > http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List > http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html > > >
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 01:10:52 -0400 From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1803 Message-ID: <199609070517.WAA22308@mindcrime.ax.com>
> I found one in Siberia (Eastern) the other day during my vacations. No > Working Man, tho'. I'd apparently just missed the last copy to a guy who > had come in with a bottle of Tequila in his hand bellowing "I D O N ' T N > E E D N O C O F F E E ! ! !" >
Shit....last time I was in Siberia, I picked up a copy of "David Lee Roth does Polka".....hmmm you may haveseen my evil russian twin....
M O J O I T A I N ' T J U S T F O R B R E A K F A S T A N Y M O R E !!!!
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 01:33:58 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just a thought Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.7.1.33.58.2916992174.338764@bbs.fgallery.com>
That would be cool..emailing MTv..but since they only like $$$$ and DT wont bring em any because all of the reasons we already know..well its hard that theyll get airplay.. but it will be fun just to maybe crash their server! :)
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 01:35:40 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: <none> Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.7.1.35.40.2916992174.338765@bbs.fgallery.com>
someone justquited the whole big messahe and didnt post anything..i just want you guys to nknow that was not me! :)
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Double CDs and some Rush thoughts Message-ID: <199609070540.WAA01492@spain.it.earthlink.net>
At 09:23 PM 9/6/96 -0700, I wrote: >For us ytsejammers the new DT as a double cd would be a dream come true.
for some reason the rest of it got cut off, so here's my whole post.
For us ytsejammers the new DT as a double cd would be a dream come true.
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Scott Cook
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 00:41:47 -0500 (CDT) From: NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MTV music awards (ytsejam post) (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.960907004141.18180A-100000@wichita.fn.net>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Nguyen (aka NUPRIN) musican, artist, programmer, lover, parent http://www.feist.com/~nuprin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...all I want is to have my peace of mind..." -- Boston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: "John T. Nguyen" <nuprin@wichita.fn.net> Subject: MTV music awards (ytsejam post)
Ok let me explain something to anyone who might have gotten some what upset at the fact that a guy like Beck won an award but bands like Dream Theater, Fates Waring, and other prominate Prog rock acts have gotten over looked. First let me start of by saying whatever award Beck won he truely garnder it, as is true in the case of Alanis Morsette. For the first time in a long time the videos which won the awards this year, in my opinion, were good VIDEOS. That's what I think that show should be all about, good filmmaking and good videos. I have this feeling in the back of my mind that TSM was this amazing video and would have desevered an award such as the Breakthough video award, but since it did not get put in rotation it, rightly so, did not desevere to win anything. If these bands want to put out videos, and they get airplay, like at least once a day for a week or something... then grippe, but for now who cares. Do you really want Dream Theater to explode into Bush, or Nirvana stardom, do you want every wanker in you town walking around with a "Lines in the Sand" t-shirt on listening to the new album, and just talking about how cool the guys look rather than the music. I mean what is important the images..... or the music. Dream Theater gets sooooooo much regonistion in todays musical world, the magazines, the video, the clinics, the true critical acclaim has already been attained by this band.
-andy
Andrew Miller "Each song is an exercise in control, a near ytsejam@Udel.Edu apocalyptic struggle of tension, then release." -or- -Spin Magazine (on the new andym@dreamt.org self-titled release by Jawbox)
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Date: 07 Sep 96 01:43:23 EDT From: Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MY THOUGHTS (Part 2) Message-ID: <960907054323_72064.614_GHB26-4@CompuServe.COM>
Item #3 - Conversions.
There has been alot of talk on the JAM about how people have converted other friends, co-workers, etc... to Dream Theater. In the interest of getting some INTERESTING conversation going on the JAM, here are some questions I would like to see discussed.(keep in mind, I don't play an instrument, other than my CD player, so if these questions don't make sense, please accept my apologies)
If you had a friend, Co-worker, etc... who was a drummer, which song from DT would you play for them to get them interested in Dream Theater? I mean what song would catch their interest from the first minute to the end, and get them to want to listen to additional material? What is it about this particular song that is unique, is it a particular polyrhythm, syncopation, time signature, etc. . .What could I mention to this person about the song to capture their interest, and get them to listen.
What about for a Guitar Player?
Or a Bass Player?
Or a KeyBoard Player?
Or a Singer? As an example, one of the guitar magazines asked JP what song he would play for his guitar peers, and he answered "EROTOMANIA" and then explained why he picked it (said it covered a wide variety of styles, etc...).
For Example, the songs I have been using are;
Drums - Under a Glass Moon - I don't know why but I like the Powerful Drumming Guitar - Under a Glass Moon - reminds me of Steve Vai's "Passion and Warfare" Album Bass - Metropolis - for the quick finger tapping part in the solo Keys - Learning to Live - Just Because Singing - Learning to Live - I just like the way JL sings in this one
Again, I am don't play an instrument, and would like to hear EDUCATED commentary from people who do, or any insightful comments from anyone, whether they play or not.
Anyway, that is it. I hope to meet many of you guys at the YTSECON. I will be there.
Regards,
Michael Pomerleau 72064.614@Compuserve.com
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Date: 07 Sep 96 01:43:20 EDT From: Michael Pomerleau <72064.614@CompuServe.COM> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MY THOUGHTS (Part 1) Message-ID: <960907054320_72064.614_GHB26-3@CompuServe.COM>
It has been a while since I have posted, but here are some of my thoughts . . .
Item #1 - DT Two Disk Album
I am NOT hoping for a two disk set even if they have enough material for it. I would rather that they released an album, with the more mature songs on it. Then they could tour for about a year, and then go back into the studio and record the second album. This would be good in a number of ways, and here is my Top Ten Reasons List;
TOP TEN REASONS NOT TO HAVE A DOUBLE ALBUM
10. We would not have to wait 2 years between albums. 9. They could really fine-tune the other songs, and get all the little details perfected (which is the reason I LOVE images and words) before releasing the second one. 8. They would end up occasionally playing the stuff live, and that would make for some LEGENDARY concerts, and probably some good DT content on the JAM (as opposed to some of the lame NDTC on the JAM). 7. Would fulfill contract obligations for number of albums. 6. I could really play the S**t out of the 1st album, and just when I need a DOSE of NEW DT, I'll get it. 5. Would get them albums released regularly which is very important in trying to maintain radio exposure, and increasing the Fan Base. 4. Would sell more albums, since it is cheaper for a single disc, than a multi-Disk set, and double CD's generally don't sell well(I know there are exceptions, so don't flame me on this one). 3. By the time the second album is released, I could buy a larger Multi Disk Changer, so that I can still have all my Dream Theater Albums in it at once. 2. Potential Dream Theater Overdose.
AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON IS . . . 1. TWO appearances on David Letterman.
Item #2 - Birch Hill Tape Tree.
I know Brian Cox, did not want to continue the tape tree due to a few complaints from a few ungrateful idiots. I don't know about you guys, but I LOVED those tapes, DESPITE the lack of Studio Quality to the recordings. This is a concert recording, and one should not expect perfect sound quality. The sound quality on that recording was PRETTY DAMN GOOD. Excellent Job Brian.
Anyway, my point is, since Brian does not want to deal with these hassles anymore, maybe someone else could run the tape tree. I would volunteer, but it would have to be someone with a DAT recorder(which I don't have). Anyway, this would not be that much work, and would be a GREAT service to us all. I would love to get the remainder of those shows in my collection. Maybe, if someone were to volunteer to run the Tape Tree, we could get Brian to make a DAT copy of the remaining shows, and start the tree going again. That way he would not have to get involved (other than giving us the initial copies), and we would get some classic material to add to our collection.
BY THE WAY, if you are an ungrateful idiot who is expecting 'Studio-Quality' material from you tape tree copies, please do not participate and ruin it for the rest of us.
(Continued - Next Post)
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 01:38:24 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working man Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.7.1.38.24.2916992174.338766@bbs.fgallery.com>
Hello.. just got my copy of it.. i must comment it is an excelent cd..thanx for all the recomendations..
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: amendation Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960907015437.12043A-100000@gorf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
remember when i said Freddy Jones Band had country overtones? Hope that didn't scare anyone away, because that is one hell of a group.... just got back from seeing them....can't hear all that well, nor speak without hoarseness, but that's the price, I 'spose....
lemme change that description, see if I can't get some of you folks to give FJB a chance: Think a more straight ahead rock style Dave Matthews Band, minus the violin, with southern rock (srv, perhaps) roots....they have, after all, just finished a tour opening for DMB.....anyone who saw them please feel free to back me up....
and they got a cool sense of humor as well....middle of the encore, they're switching in and out of songs, they play slices of "i shot the sheriff", walk this way, stayin' alive and to top it all, the drummer got up and started rapping some NWA song the title of which i can't quite recall....they'd also done slices of "with or without you" and Baba O'reilly before.... (methinks i ain't hyped a band this high since echolyn) (but don't go looking for prog here, cause fjb isn't) (get their stuff anyway.....!) (partha)
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