YTSEJAM Digest 1826
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Hypocrites anyone?
by skooc@earthlink.net
2) Re: Unsubscribing
by skooc@earthlink.net
3) Re: Superior
by skooc@earthlink.net
4) Going to G3...
by Sebastien Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
5) g3???
by bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Moran)
6) Lemur USA!
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
7) A few Posts upcoming,......
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
8) Re: Fates, DTonTV, Speaking of... some other progressive bands
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
9) Re: NDTC: Rush
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
10) mercyful fate live
by matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
11) Anyone on here like Nevermore? (NO DTC)
by vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1824
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
13) an interesting idea.......
by Mike Estok <estok@TELEPORT.COM>
14) Re: Vai/G3 Show
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
15) Stinky poo.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hypocrites anyone?
Message-ID: <199609120041.RAA06024@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
>Dude, this is lame of you. You know threads are gonna be based on
>"Likes and Dislikes" Fucking deal with it. You're a hypocrite for
>posting that ranting and raving anyways. You have no problem sharing
>your opinion but apparently it's not okay with you if the rest of us
>do the same. I hate playing YtseCop but posts about prog bands are
>totally legit. Half the time your posts are interesting. Less than
>a quarter of those messages aren't filled with your opinions. If you
>don't like a discussion then perhaps you are misled as to the purpose
>of this mailing list and most others for that matter.
>
>Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
>EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
>someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
Hey Asshole!
If you got something to say to me, my email address os at the top of this
post. If you got something to say, SAY IT you worm.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:46:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <199609120046.RAA06419@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
Kent,
I don't think you can. I used to think people just had their head up their
yazoos when they would try to unsubscribe to the jam, then I tried three
separate times to unsubscribe EXACTLY as shown in the letter that's sent out
when you subscribe, and it hasn't worked yet. I would just stay in digest
mode and delete it when it comes in.
Scott
At 02:59 PM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Pardon my ignorance, butt could someone please email me and tell me how to
>unsubscribe?
>
>Thanks,
> Kent
>
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Superior
Message-ID: <199609120049.RAA06579@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
I hope NOISE wises up and gets Behind released here in the USA before the
market gets flooded with dubbed copies and then it would make it that much
harder to sell. Superior is such an awesome band that everyone deserves to
hear them. Oh, sorry Chris, I guess I shouldn't express an opinion. ;)
At 02:56 PM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote:
> I hear high praise for SUPERIOR and since I have not heard their CD Beyond
(costs $27 mail order) I
>emailed Bernd Basmer about rumors of US release. His reply;
>
>>>I just phoned NOISE a few minutes ago
>>>and they told me that they didn't know when (and even IF) the record
>>>will be released in the USA. I thought that was clear. They'll release
>>>it here in Europe and in Japan first. So it can take a little time 'til
>>>it appears in the USA too.
>
>Perhaps NOISE needs alittle encouragement?! NOISE ia a great label for
metal and some prog metal,
>they'll probably come through!
>
>Cheers, Kevin D.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:04:11 -0400
From: Sebastien Ferland <sebsammy@generation.net>
To: "'Ytsejam Mailing List'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Going to G3...
Message-ID: <01BBA02E.02C18F80@portC60.Generation.NET>
Hey, is anybody out there going to G3 (Vai, Johnson & Satriani)? I'm in
Montreal, so if anybody close to home wants to go to Toronto for the show,
email me and we'll hook up. I already have a friend with me, so there's at
max 3 places in the car. I don't have tickets yet but I'm keeping my eyes
peeled for tour dates. I've calculated an approximate date: in between the
26th and the 28th of August. I have no idea where it's gonna be, so if
anyone knows, please tell me!
Cheers,
Seb
Montreal
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:21:03 -0700
From: bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Moran)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: g3???
Message-ID: <199609120221.TAA16786@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
okay... i probably just overlooked it, but who is g3? i ask this since
i'm from jersey and the beacon theater is just a hop skip and a jump
from me. plus, the dates are the 2 days following my b-day and if it's
a cool band, i just may have to treat myself to a birthday present.
craig
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:27:53 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lemur USA!
Message-ID: <199609120228.VAA16551@enteract.com>
> (well, I confess that I don't have the first
> two albums, so sue me).
Fates has 3 albums before Ray... Spectre Within, Night on Brocken,
and Awaken the Guardian (A metal MUST HAVE)
> I'm a little pissed a the moment because NOISE told me that they
> can't confirm that the CD will be released in the USA...
> YES, we have a WORLD WIDE deal... I guess that it will depend on
> the album sales here in Europe and Japan. I promise you, I'll
> do all I can to make them release it in the USA. Sorry. :(
Bernd... does your record company have an e mail address? ::Starts
thinking about Change Of Seasons, and what happens when the jammers
get together and push a record company for something::
What do ya think? I HAVE to get your album... so if it isn't sold in
the US I'm going to force you to mail me a copy. :)
Chris
www.prognosis.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:30:29 -0500
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A few Posts upcoming,......
Message-ID: <199609120230.VAA46709@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Greetings all jammers-
Once again, as the college grind starts up, so does the need for
more music....I am VERY happy to report, we all have one hell of a year to
look forward to.
First thing being first, I'll start by saying that I can't wait to
see the G3 tour (anyone know when they're going to Minneapolis???). I'm stoked.
Secondly, I want to reveal my undying devotion to the new Rush
effort. What a pleasure to know that Rush indeed isn't dead, and that I
have a BUNCH of good Rush shows to see soon!!!
THird. Lemur Voice "Insights" (Magna Carta). Now, I know there are
a few (if not more) skeptics when the topic of Magna Carta comes up. As far
as I'm concerned, Magna Carta is just as important to Prog Rock (in the
90's) as Dream Theater is. Now, in terms of Lemur Voice, these guys know
WHAT'S GOING ON!! I can't really find a problem with their music. PROG
METAL. DOUBLE BASS. GREAT HARMONIES. GREAT GUITAR. GREAT Vocals. Great
lyrics. Oh fuck, this means they're Dream Theater. NO IT DOENS'T. These
are contenders for the heavy weight prog masters award. Believe you me, if
you can afford it, afford it. Donate Plasma. Donate Sperm. Donate a major
organ. THey sound <somewhat> similar to Arch-era Fates (vox especially),
and like any great prog band at other times. I love it.
THANKS DAVE FOR SUGGESTING THIS!!!!!
Um, what else can I say. Phish is going on tour in a few months. Catch
them even if you barely even like them. I GUARENTEE you will have a great
time. Bring some ganja along to the show, and watch 4 sickeningly talented
musicians just JAM out. If free form jams and crazy good times are your
bag, go. It's an experience, not a show. Phish are definately deserving of
some recognition, just because they are doing something that hasn't been
done (Not even the Dead could do what Phish is doing. Going to Gamehendge?)
Well, I'll stop for now. But, hey, have a good night.
________________________________________________
"I'm so full of right I can't see what is good"
-Rush, The Color of Right
________________________________________________
name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-258-1587
pager - 1-888-845-1150 (call and type in your number)
what - "Madison Student Radio; We're coming, are you?"
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:46:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates, DTonTV, Speaking of... some other progressive bands
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960911224857.20a7c152@access.mountain.net>
At 09:29 PM 9/10/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Speaking of other bands, I picked up Leviathan (DSB), TFE,
>Venus Isle, and Deus Ex Machina. Wtf? It's all in Italian!
Nope, not Italian, Latin! Which album did you get? I've got their self
titled, and it's got some really cool places in it. The vocalist doesn't
really do anything for me.
Jonathan Byrne
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
West Virginia University College of Law
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"Some kind of drama live on satelite
Hidden camera coverage from the crimescene to the courtroom
Nail-biting hoodboys in borrowed ties and jackets
Clutching at the straws of respectability."
-"Test for Echo", Rush
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDTC: Rush
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960911224900.20a73cf8@access.mountain.net>
At 02:50 PM 9/11/96 -0700, Michael Burstin wrote:
>1) Got the new Rush CD yesterday on the way to school... I don't
>know, I am not all that impressed... maybe it seems htat the songs
>sound too much like one another... Not as good as Counterparts...
That's what I've been thinking. I've had a chance to listen to it twice
straight thru, and I have to admit I have a hard time separating one tune
from another. The first real change of pace comes in "Resist", which is the
9th out of 11 tracks! Maybe everything will gel in the near future.
Don't know if it's worse than Counterparts, tho'.
Jonathan Byrne
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
West Virginia University College of Law
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"Some kind of drama live on satelite
Hidden camera coverage from the crimescene to the courtroom
Nail-biting hoodboys in borrowed ties and jackets
Clutching at the straws of respectability."
-"Test for Echo", Rush
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:19:40 -0500
From: matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mercyful fate live
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960911204237.190fbeac@tam2000.tamu.edu>
>Well, if Bordin's playing for Ozzy, I may just have to check him out if he
>plays Middletown later in the month (even though I'm already going to Pearl
>Jam and Dave Matthews and I wanna see Mercyful Fate and Soundgarden! So many
>concerts, so little cash ;(
well, whatever you do, DEFINITELY go see mercyful fate! if you haven't
seen them live, it is absolutely amazing. king diamod is a superb performer
as are the rest of the members. they put on a great show. besides,
king diamond will be opening the show. now, you know it's gonna
be a great show when king is opening for himself!
(i bet he's a tired motherfucker after each show, though.)
later,
matt.
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S U R R E A L I T Y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
dark ethereal music / SURREALITY II AVAILABLE NOW
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:22:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anyone on here like Nevermore? (NO DTC)
Message-ID: <199609120322.VAA04089@mail.usa.net>
I was just wondering if there were any Nevermore fans on here? I really like
them alot... I just got an ep they put out called, "In Memory"... It's great
for an EP...They also have a full length CD coming out soon that suppose to
even have some progressive elements on it....Critics are allready calling it
a masterpiece!....Take Care....Dusty
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| our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer, we've|
| already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's |
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 23:51:09 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1824
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960912035109.0069bc64@ee.net>
>From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
>really? I'd say this happens on studio stuff too....for example, in PMU,
>this is what I sing/hear....
>I'll take seven lives for one
>and then my only father's son
>LA LA LA LA-La-La-LA-La-LA
>I am not afraid......
>it's been 4 years since i got into DT, and i still don't know what
>Mr. LaBrie says in that line
> partha
AS SURE AS I DID EVER LOVE HIM, I AM NOT AFRAID
4 years? get a grip man!
Seriously folks, you're sitting here tearing James to shreds over shit
that pales in comparison to the lack of talent and definition in 99%
of todays bands music!
I feel a tangent coming on.....
buster
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:24:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Estok <estok@TELEPORT.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: an interesting idea.......
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960911202212.17988A-100000@linda.teleport.com>
Ok, how about this?
Apparently, Superior is having problems getting their cd out here
in the USA.
Somone suggested to encourage NOISE to do it.
My idea:
Does NOISE have an e-mail account?
Get my point?
Michelob
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 21:05:11 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Vai/G3 Show
Message-ID: <9609120405.AA07378@tengs1>
From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
A fellow jammer wrote:
>Steve Vai will be performing at Hollywood's Musicians Institute (GIT) on
>October 6. This will be an intimate performance for students of the school.
>For more information about MI you can call 800-255-PLAY.
-Any jammers going to the G3 show at the Hollywood Bowl on October 12? They
-added Kenny Wayne Shepherd to the bill; it should be an outstanding show.
I still don't know if I'm going to the Bay Area show. I might be going
back East, instead (after seeing it all under ice last winter, I'd
like to see some colors :^)>. It would be cheaper to stay here. And it
will put me a few hundred $$ closer to that new Triumph (bike).
>Any bets on who is going to steal the show?
Johnson. I saw him open for Satch on the FIABD tour 5 or 7 years
ago (at Concord Pavillion, incidentally) and he blew Satriani off the
stage. The only opening act (he was relatively unknown at the time) where
the *whole damn venue* gave a standing ovation. To be fair to Joe, I
was impressed when I saw him here in SJ at the beginning of this tour.
He was in top form this time.
Zach
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:41:17 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stinky poo.
Message-ID: <199609120441.VAA09292@m5.sprynet.com>
>About the lack of "emotion" in James' voice:
>
>Here we see another example of another fallacy that has been fed to us by
>eMpTyV. Virtually every pop/alternative singer today equates "emotion" with
>bad and/or scratchy vocals (the best example of this is Alanis IMNSHO).
Well sheeit. I guess I've been corrupted by MTV. I have never once heard
anyone on MTV say: "Emotional vocals are scratchy." Have you? Who cares
what MTV feeds you...it's if you're willing to eat it that matters.
>Of course, this topic could lead into the
>whole phenomenon of MTV elevating no-talent garage bands to the status of
>demigods whilst talented and educated musicians live their lives in complete
>anonymity, but I won't get into that.
MTV will play what they think will sell, yes....but, I'll say what I've said
a few times before: the majority of people really, genuinely do LIKE what
sells, in the same way that we like Dream Theater. An argument that an
alternative fan could give about their music of choice would be just as good
as an argument that we could give about our music of choice because it's
ONLY A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE.
>In summary, James has more vocal
>talent in his left pinky toe than every alternative singer in the entire
>world combined.
Okay, that just put a really odd image into my head.
>no flame... i've got quite a few boots m'self, and granted, james dont hit
>the notes live necessarily, but he puts so much more into it... the screams
>would be annoying if there was nothing in them, but i think after recording
>and letting the songs bring alive their meaning by the time they hit the
>stage thats when the more emotional side of the preformance comes.
One damned cool thing about James live is that you KNOW he's having fun.
Watch LiT...during To Live Forever I think it is, he's spinning around and
running across the stage behind JP headbanging away. Now who would do stuff
like that if they weren't into it? It almost seems like his running around
everywhere makes the vocals a little shakier....hard to sing and run. I
can't even walk and chew gum. :) I mean, how awesome is a job where you get
paid for having fun?
>Speaking of James, if people are turned off by the voice, then screw
>'em! Separates the wheat from the chaff. And... what really pisses me
>off is when people say "that sounds like an '80s spandex/hair band".
Hey.....I respect anyone confident enough to wear spandex. I may not enjoy
looking at them, but I respect them. :)
>I don't have to be funny to be in charge. A court jester though is supposed
>to be funny :)
Ooh. :) You meant like, physical "Mess with me and I hurt you" leader (which
is not a bad thing DONTKILLME!!), as opposed to emotional and spiritual
leader. :-)
>I think it's great to have you back, but how am I ever gonna become the most
>frequent poster with you around ;)
>
Hmm.....
> 6) Re: Van Halen
> by skooc@earthlink.net
> 7) Re: Innocence Faded
> by skooc@earthlink.net
> 8) Re: Non-STYX: Track Listing for New Dream Theater (fwd)
> by skooc@earthlink.net
> 9) damn!
> by skooc@earthlink.net
That would probably do it.
>James' vocals...my girlfriend doesn't like him very much because of the way he
>moves on stage, kind of full of self-importance and all (that's her
opinion, so
>don't flame me).
I dunno. I like it when he gets a little wacky up there. :)
>Now tremble with me....what would Dream Theater have been like if King Diamond
>had replaced Charlie? Would they be singing about old women in wheelchairs?
:-)
>(Having said that, I *am* a huge King Diamond/Mercyful Fate fan; have every
one
>of their albums).
Is that like...."Man, you are one sorry piece of insignificant rotting rat
phlegm......but I like you."
>I have
>the feeling that Ben is right about DT
Well, DUH. :-)
>(coming from an unfortunate soul
>that has yet to see DT in concert).
Yeah, join the club. :-(
>But some bands try to capitalize on the popular style of the
>day, Oasis,
I like Oasis' music...but MAN that singer guy is a DICK!!!!
>Mad Puppet - ? on this one
I don't CARE what they sound like...how can you go wrong with a band called..
MAD PUPPET!!!
>I don't know how anyone can say there is a lack of emotion ... Voices and
>Surrounded _STILL_ make the hair on the back of my neck stand up they are
>so well performed...I believe they call that a freeson (frieson, sp?)
>experience...
>
I said Awake was better.....and I didn't say EVERYTHING was like that.
So...so.....so poo on you!
>I'll take seven lives for one
>and then my only father's son
>LA LA LA LA-La-La-LA-La-LA
>I am not afraid......
Awww. That one's easy. "As sure as I did ever love him..." I just always get
it mixed up...."As sure as ever did I love him..." or "As sure as did I ever
love him" or "the llama ate the red sweater cheeseburger"...you know. :)
>Yeah, but if you had told me 10 years ago that someday Metallica would be a
>dumbass trend.....I would have said you had a severe case of
>cranial-sphincter inversion. :)
Believe you me...I know very few people that like Metallica.
>Subject: I suck, you suck
..we all suck for I suck? :-)
>> Sweeping generalizations suck big one.
>
>Ben, don't you mean "ALL sweeping generalizations suck big one?"
>
>Duh...your statement WAS a generalization. :)
Yes, but mine is undoubtedly facticious. :)
>Many people only put up with him because the band is
>so great. I love his vocals just the way they are. If he needs to
>do anything it's develope his low range more.
Not so much develop it....just USE it. Sounds great in Lie. "I had gotten
used to being a soul destroyed..."
>Jason is the second cheesiest bassist
>ever. The first is Cliff. Flame me personally, not on the jam.
Apparently you haven't heard me play bass. :-)
>It hit me. It's on Danzig 4.
Egads....Brian caught the Kurt "Reply-to-your-own-post-with-one-line" virus. :-)
>So sue me! I heard that we needed a little competition for the most posts, so
>here we go again! Seriously, I haven't done this in a while, and its not
>gonna last too long, so bear with me!
Well....if getting the top slot really means that much to you...you're
weirder than I thought. :)
>I didn't say they were! I know there are people smarter than me that listen
>to that stuff. But I think a majority of the people that are listening to
>"Top 40" alternative do so because it is "Top 40".
You weren't resubbed yet when I mentioned that, for some people music isn't
a high enough priority to really LISTEN to it. So, for those people, since
they don't care enough (which isn't really Wrong) to buy lots of CD's, the
radio and MTV is all they hear. So, when MTV stops playing something, they
forget about them.
>It's a fad. I know Green
>Day had fans before Dookie. And in a couple of years, those will probably be
>their only fans again because people will be like "You like GREEN DAY? They
>went out in 97", so all of the fucking posers will stop likeing them because
>it's not "cool" to like them anymore. Am I making sense?
Yeah...but it's not an "i'm too dumb to know what I like" thing...it's a
"i'm not a big music fan, so I'll just listen to what's on the radio thing".
"Closer" by NIN makes me feel like I'm just waking up. Is that wrong? :)
Ben Laussade
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