YTSEJAM Digest 1823
Today's Topics:
1) Vocalist
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
2) G3
by jskewes@why.net (jskewes)
3) fates warning
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
4) townsend
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
5) he does hit the notes
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1816
by Dale Gantz <dgantz@nacs.org>
7) IF
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) Cairo
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
9) NDTC: Rush
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
10) Re: YtsejamNDay@aol.com
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
11) Commercialism
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
12) Prog Bands Info
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
13) RE: Cairo/Magellan
by greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee)
14) Re: James' Voice
by greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee)
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821
by auhcy@asu.edu
16) Re: KX MidWest
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
17) James/falsetto
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
18) Superior US release
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 12:02:46 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: Vocalist
Message-ID: <M.091196.140246.55@wxs6-8.worldaccess.nl>
James' vocals...my girlfriend doesn't like him very much because of the way he
moves on stage, kind of full of self-importance and all (that's her opinion, so
don't flame me). I never really pay a lot of attention because I am a guitarist
and my eyes are on J.P. most of the time (his hands, rather, and following the
arc of any picks he throws). And Portnoy baffles me too. On some bootlegs,
especially when he announces songs, the huge exhale after words *is*
irritating. "How are you New Yorkhhhhhh" I know a few people who would really
be into Dream Theater if they had a vocalist like, well, James Hetfield or
something (OH NO, *NOW* I'VE SAID IT! :-) ). James takes some getting used to,
more so on "Awake" and "I&W", but it's fine with me. He's cool, and
professional.
And speaking of Mariah Carey and James...Barbra Streisand and Barry Gibb once
sang together...I think it would be cool to have James and Mariah do something
(it would beat Boyz2Men, anyway). Or with Bjork, the best and cutest female
singer in the world?
But...
Now tremble with me....what would Dream Theater have been like if King Diamond
had replaced Charlie? Would they be singing about old women in wheelchairs? :-)
(Having said that, I *am* a huge King Diamond/Mercyful Fate fan; have every one
of their albums).
Maybe that would be an interesting thread: What DT would be like with a
different singer. We know what they sound like with Barney or Bruce. But what
of, lemme think, Lemmy?! Devin Townsend?! (SCARY!) Geddy? Let your mind run
free...
One final thing: I've been hearing so many different things on the new album
release...but is there a reasonable chance it'll be released this year? And
about the double CD thing...if they had all that material, they could play the
second CD live only, not release it, and Mike Bahr could collect the best
quality tracks and put them (maybe including "Metropolis Pt. II"?) on one of
his CDs? I can't see why DT couldn't do 2 separate CDs, like Guns'n'Posers did.
Maybe Mike Portnoy wouldn't mind Mike Bahr putting one or two of those tracks
on "PT"? By the way..."Scarred" won't be on PT, will it? I think that's a real
omission/ommission (sp?).
I've rambled on for too long. Bye...
-- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | | "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?" | \--------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:36:37 -0500 From: jskewes@why.net (jskewes) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: G3 Message-ID: <3.0b11.32.19960911073636.0066dbfc@why.net>
Does anyone know where to get a complete list of tour dates...?
Jason
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:05:39 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fates warning Message-ID: <199609111244.PAA09969@pepe.online.ee>
>I went out and bought the album "Chasing Time". Well, I hate to say, >but I think it sucks. I could be wrong, maybe it will grow on me or >something. But is all there stuff like that? Did I just happen to buy >their worst album? I don't mean to offend anyone, I'm just wondering
to be honest, i know not of "chasing time", but you should check out "parallels". labrie sings on that one (ok, only a bit) and musically it's very good. very much in the vein of dream theater ("images and words" era).
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation to love without fear and learn without question how could I regret the meant occasions I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:30:36 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: townsend Message-ID: <199609111244.PAA09965@pepe.online.ee>
>>solid voice (Rescue Me or Bury Me) >I don't mind Devon's singing and in fact Rescue Me or Bury Me has >always been my favorite vocal performance of the whole disc but.... >I always thought that was Vai himself who sang that track! >if so then I hope he keeps singing.
the guy is called DEVIN.
anyway, vai sings "rescue me or bury me". BUT if you want to get some mellow-sounding singing, get some neat parts of "down deep into the pain". i like the contrast between the verses, bridge and chorus. damn, it gets me everytime i hear it. :-) "survive" is also more than multi-faceted. (i've spent hours trying to work out the background vocals; believe me, it was worth it.)
september 17... I CAN'T WAIT! :-)
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation to love without fear and learn without question how could I regret the meant occasions I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:34:25 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: he does hit the notes Message-ID: <199609111244.PAA09972@pepe.online.ee>
>tired, hot, whatever, but I like to say I have a pretty large >collection of DT bootlegs, and I haven't heard many shows where James >can -really-hit those notes the way he does on the album. That's all
some professional singers say that according to the live performances they've heard, james never sung a wrong note. he takes it an octave lower, an octave higher, but he's always on key. maybe they've heard wrong concerts then.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation to love without fear and learn without question how could I regret the meant occasions I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:03:05 -0400 From: Dale Gantz <dgantz@nacs.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1816 Message-ID: <3.0b15.32.19960911090304.006820ac@mail.nacs.org>
>The unfortunate truth is that not many people like Dream Theater. What do we >really have to complain about, though? Why do we need them to get played on >the radio? We have the CD's and videos. And I really do think that even >though they're not on TV every other minute that their fan base is quite a >bit larger than we think. In conclusion, we don't really need airplay. I've >played DT for "normal" MTV watching teenagers. They hated it. They don't >have the time, and music isn't a high enough priority for them to even WANT >to get into DT. It's not a crime.
I agree with this. I have another prime example of another band that doesn't get the airplay that has a larger fan base than what people think -- Manowar. I went to their show at a small, small club in Massillon, Ohio on 9/7. These fans were chanting lyrics, reciting "The Warrior's Prayer"... and that was all while in line waiting to get in!!! DT is like Manowar in the respect that they don't get the airplay, but their (Manowar's) fan base in Northern Ohio was larger than I thought. I have the feeling that Ben is right about DT (coming from an unfortunate soul that has yet to see DT in concert).
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: IF Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960911093000.12014C-100000@bdmserver>
Brandon wrote: >That's funny. I have a video of the Pittsburgh show (10/29/94) and they >did not play IF.
I went and looked at my tape and it is the New Haven show (10/22/94) that has IF on it, not the Pittsburgh (10/29/94) show...
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Hail to the Redskins 1-1 * Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:33:54 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cairo Message-ID: <3236E9F2.641F@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Just a quick review of Cairo. They are very keyboard heavy, OK music, I personally just get tired when the same keyboard sound is used from song to song on chromatic solos, even if the musician is talented (which he is). The music just seems to drag. If you are a big fan of Keith Emerson, go for it, this keyboard player obviously is as well. Otherwise you are better off to get some of the other Magna Carta albums, IMO go for Shadow Gallery, they are by far my favorite Magna Carta band.
Later,
Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC: Rush Message-ID: <199609111343.JAA00559@hematite.cs.brandeis.edu>
Just a few quick things, before I have to go to show a movie for class...
1) Got the new Rush CD yesterday on the way to school... I don't know, I am not all that impressed... maybe it seems htat the songs sound too much like one another... Not as good as Counterparts...
2) Any info on Rush tour dates in Boston/Providence/New England area?
-- +--------------------------------+--------+-------------------------+ | Driven to the margin or error | Rush | Michael Burstin | | Driven to the edge of control | Driven | Brandeis University | | Driven to the margin or terror |--------+-------------------------| | Driven to the edge of a deep, dark hole | Lets go Pens & Steelers | +-----------------------------------------+-------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:04:28 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YtsejamNDay@aol.com Message-ID: <v01520d01ae5b97e430bb@[207.90.122.113]>
> YTSEJAM Digest 1820 > >Today's Topics: [...] > 2)...by DreamNDay@aol.com > 3)...by DreamNDay@aol.com > 4)...by DreamNDay@aol.com > 5)...by DreamNDay@aol.com > 6)...by DreamNDay@aol.com > 7)...by DreamNDay@aol.com > 8)...by DreamNDay@aol.com [...] > 17)...by DreamNDay@aol.com > 18)...by DreamNDay@aol.com
Geez, and you said that you were condensing your posts into one...
I'd hate to see it when you *weren't*... :)
Dan
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:01:28 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Commercialism Message-ID: <3236F068.3E58@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
I think the old Commercialism thread is rearing its ugly head again. If Dream Theater becomes popular, it is NOT the same as them becoming commercial. Commercial implies an attempt to sound like what is current popular in music today, in an attempt to make money. Popular means that people really like your band and buy your music. Now lots of times, a band that gets popular will become commericial (the old, "they dumped truckloads of money on my lawn", the Crusty the Clown excuse), ie MEtallica. But some bands try to capitalize on the popular style of the day, Oasis, and the shitload of Nirvana sound alike bands that popped up a few years ago and are dying out.
If Dream Theater gets a lot of MTV airplay, they do not automatically become a commercial band, as long as they maintain their songwriting integrity. Don't worry about that guys, the scary thing is that the band is likely to maintain their integrity and get dropped by their label. You guys and girls should be more frightened of the latter than the former.
Later,
Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:39:21 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: c675311@showme.missouri.edu, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog Bands Info Message-ID: <3236F949.CFA@umbc.edu>
Hello Pat, (and Jammers, this stuff is informative and I have spent 30 minutes writing it, so I thought it ought to go to the jam)
Check out the Progressive Rock WWW Site run by my friend Adam Levin
It should have links to the pages with info on most of these bands. If you follow the Unsigned bands link in my sig, there are reviews of Ivanhoe, Mastermind, Anekdoten, Timescape, and Iluvatar. I've met the members of Iluvatar, Mastermind, and Anekdoten.
Short reviews:
Garden Wall - An Italian neo-progressive band, I haven't heard their music Anekdoten - A Swedish band expanding on the music of 1970s King Crimson, the first disk Vemod, is in the vein of Red, the second disk is more eclectic and angry, both are very impressive.
Anglagard - Another Swedish band, lots of long instrumental passages and Mellotron use, some symphonic parts augmented by heavy guitar and Swedish lyrics.
ArsNova - A Japanese Trio of ladies drums, bass, keyboards, doing the ELP style of music, suppose to be great live. They just finished a east coast US tour with MAstermind and Deux Ex Machina.
Ivanhoe - Heavier incarnation of Dream Theater, accented European vocalist, I think it is quite good.
Mad Puppet - ? on this one Timescape - Sent me their EP - another DT style band, a bit heavier, it was pretty cool.
Iced Earth - ? Clockwork - ?
Mastermind - a heavy, guitar-synth monster of a band, featuring the overamplified Marshall stacks of Bill Berends and his MIDI equipment, accompanied by driving bass and heavy Carl Palmer style drumming. An intense live experience here, I recommend the second album, Brainstorm for chops, the third album Tragic Symphony for more mature songwriting.
Altura - Another prog-metal Magna Carta band, I heard it in a music store, fairly impressive, sounded a lot like older Rush.
Lemur Voice - Another Magna Carta band, closer to the sound of DT, they were really impressive, if I hadn't just spent $60 on CDs I would have bought it.
Tempest - Magna Carta band, Celtic meets metal, suppose to be a bit like Jethro Tull.
Cairo - Very much an ELP style band, keyyboardist has incredible chops, it is hard to hear the guitar, but they are some good parts. Production is very glossy, this tends to put me to sleep. This is an album I had and sold, I just got tired of listening to it after three or four listens. If you are a big ELP fan (which I am not) you should like it.
Spock's Beard - A Syn Phonic label band I believe, they are suppose to be impressive though I haven't heard the disk.
Iluvatar - one of my favorite neo-progressive bands, they live in my hometown and play here quite often. They take the sound of Wind & Wuthering Genesis and mix it with some Rush/Yes sound. All of the musicians are solid, the feature for me is the songwriting and Glenn McLaughlin's voice, which is very impressive. Live they are just incredible now, when I first saw them live three years ago, they weren't very tight.
Other things to check out:
Finneus Gauge - New band featuring Chris Busby from echolyn on keyboards, I heard a few demos at Progscape and they are going to kick some serious ass. Their first live performance is the night of Ytsecon III, and will probably keep me from going to the con, I want to see them that bad.
Later,
Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:52:07 -0400 From: greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Cairo/Magellan Message-ID: <9609111452.AA111360@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
Chung Ng blabbered:
"Well, I saved $50 by NOT buying the Tyson/Seldon "fight" and bought some new CD's. Cairo and Magellan were...well...horrible. I thought they might be a bit like Shadow Gallery (which I love), but they were both very weak. Threshold on the other hand was pretty good. Sounds a bit like the newer Metal Church at times, but overall, they rock.
PS - USA will sweep the Canadians in the World Cup of Hockey finals"
I have yet to hear Cairo...I have to agree that Magellan bites...Shadow Gallary's CiS I have, and I love it - not nearly as polished as DT, but what do you expect with low budget recording...
As for US vs. Canada...by now you know we kicked your ass in OT...was there ever any doubt!
Greg, Toronto.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:00:02 -0400 From: greg@aix.can.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: James' Voice Message-ID: <9609111500.AA111398@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
I don't know how anyone can say there is a lack of emotion ... Voices and Surrounded _STILL_ make the hair on the back of my neck stand up they are so well performed...I believe they call that a freeson (frieson, sp?) experience...
Greg, Toronto.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:22:38 -0700 (MST) From: auhcy@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960911081150.6068A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> 1) Fates Warning...easily one of my favorite bands now and forever. > This summer I got a good listen of PARALLELS and NO EXIT. The Ivory Gate > > 2) SAVATAGE - Handful Of Rain has to be one of those albums that all > Prog fans must own. I picked up DWD last X-mas when I saw everyone > > The Devil's Plaything }|] > papined@pr.erau.edu > David Papineau
I agree!!!!!!! Parallels and HOR were 12 of the CDs I picked up in the summer. Savatage has became my 2nd favorite (behind DT of course) I didn't even noticed I got 12 CDs until I went over my budget Monday night, argh. 10 of them were bought because they were mentioned in the jam. Sooooo, no CD for this semester........ :( Please don't recommend anything. :)
huichi auhcy@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~auhcy
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:33:21 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: KX MidWest Message-ID: <v01520d01ae5c451278f9@[207.90.122.30]>
Todd S. (the COOL DT Sticker guy!) from Y'Jam #1821 wrote: > Does anyone know if KINgs X is going to be towards the midwest again?
They *might* be, but nobody knows (not even them) yet. They are hitting the West now, and Doug mentioned at one of the shows that I saw 'em, that they might swing back to the East/MidWest before the EC tour winded down...
Dan
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:44:23 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James/falsetto Message-ID: <v01520d00ae5c4686d064@[207.90.122.44]>
Ben Laussade from Y'Jam #1821 wrote: >>I agree. I think that his screams are irritating live, and he >>tends to slur his words together.
> Oh, blah! He does that on the albums too. Don't tell me you actually > understood the "condescending, not intending to end" part of IF without > looking at the lyric sheet.
Yeah, or the familiar part in TTT..."if there's a pensive fear, a wasted year, a man must learn to cope, if his obsession's real, supression that he feels must turn to hope..."
For the longest time, I had no idea what James was saying...I guess after 100^100 listens pounds it into your head... ;)
IFTHARSAPANSIVEFEEEEEERAWAAAYYYSTEDYEEEEEERRRRRR....
> I guess pronunciation isn't an easy thing when you're singing in > the thin upper atmosphere.
ditto...
> Ben Laussade
Dan
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 10:23:02 MDT From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Superior US release Message-ID: <vines.0,16+aRiBma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
I'm new to the jam and really enjoying it! I think DT is by far the most outstanding and influential group I have ever found. Here's my DT intro story (skip if you want)
I'm a fairly recent convert to DT and I've brought a stack of people with me the last year or so. I was pretty much out of new (decent) music during the long period of college (medical school is brain damage) until I heard Pull Me Under on a Denver radio station and I was taken! Of course the DJ did not name the band or the song so I was lost. I put a blank tape in my stereo at home and waited. One morning I was driving away from my house and PMU came on again. I drove the back at high speed, ran back into the house and frightened my kids by hurdling the couch and diving toward the stereo with the tip of my finger barely pressing RECORD. Well, I got the last minute or so and took the tape to a local CD where it was easily identified - the rest is history.
Cheers, Kevin D.
Stuff playing recently
TIAMAT - Wildhoney (Century Media) SAVATAGE - Dead Winter Dead DT - ACoS MAGELLAN - Impending Ascension (Magna Carta) BLACK JESTER - Welcome to the Moonlight Circus (Avalanche)
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