YTSEJAM digest 1841

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Date: Mon Sep 16 1996 - 21:17:28 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 1841

    Today's Topics:

      1) CD presentation Lemur Voice
     by Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be>
      2) New jam, same old crap.
     by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
      3)
     by
      4) YtseCon III
     by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
      5) anal surgery/Pearl Jam/JOC/name/SM (not S&M)
     by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
      6) ATTENTION BOSTON AREA JAMMERS
     by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
      7) Division By Zero
     by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
      8) Who's better?
     by "Lee T. Sprague" <lsprague@i84.net>
      9) Rush Interview and THE LIE SINGLE
     by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
     10) Shadow Gallery!!! PET!!!!!!!
     by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
     11) T-ride
     by Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
     12) Re: Rush Interview and THE LIE SINGLE
     by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
     13) "comparing" Awake and Promised Land
     by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
     14) I have stuff to say
     by DreamNDay@aol.com
     15) Bumping into a jammer and various things.
     by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 22:41:00 DFT
    From: Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be>
    To: "'jitseejam@aks.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: CD presentation Lemur Voice
    Message-ID: <323DBDF1@econmsmail.kuleuven.ac.be>

    The CD presentation of Lemur Voice's Insights yesterday was awesome!!! What
    a great band! They played most of the songs of Insights and three new songs.
    On one of the new songs the bassist played on a 16 string bass!!!! Freakin'
    out!
    I finally had the oppertunity to buy the CD (everywhere else it was sold
    out). Good for me, because my advance tape was almost worn out. Marcel was
    playing great. The drummer wasn't bad either ;)

    If you like songs like Metropolis, LtL, the Mirror, and Erotomania (and who
    doesn't) you will (almost certainly) like Lemur Voice. Only don't expect
    another James LaBrie ;)

    Wessel

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:49:56 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: New jam, same old crap.
    Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960916154541.1213A-100000@rossby>

    Hey, I have to totally agree with Neil Gallop on this one.
    There is no reason for us to be ripping on eachothers bands, when we all
    like them anyhow. I mean, this is crazy!! I like Queensryche just as
    much as most other bands (except DT), and there is no reason why I would
    want to rip on their music. It's just that I haven't been able to get
    accustomed to the vocals on Mindcrime. True, it has a great story line,
    but I just prefer the music to lyrics, thus I like Empire and PL better.

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    JC

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:10:01 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
    To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: YtseCon III
    Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960916170514.27990A-100000@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>

    Dear jammers,

    Hey there! Here's an update for the YtseCon III! First of all, it will
    take place at the La Guardia Marriot (Queens, NY), on Saturday, October
    12th from 1pm to 5pm. We have spoken to Dream Theater and management, and
    they say that there is a good chance that they will be there.

    The cost for pre-paid tickets is $20 per person. The cost at the door
    will be $25 per person. This will cover the cost of the conference room
    and other miscellaneous stuff (name tags, programs, etc.). If you would
    like to pay in advance, please send a check to:

    YtseCon III
    c/o Jeff Chew
    350 Broadway, Suite 703
    New York, NY 10013

    When you send a check, please include a note or letter that says your
    name, return address, e-mail address, and phone number. This makes things
    a lot easier for us when we send the tickets back to you, plus if we ever
    need to get in contact with you.

    Since the Con is coming up pretty close already, and we haven't had the
    chance to get our acts together to mail out the tickets/name tags, we've
    decided to distribute the name tags (they will be numbered) at the door.
    So, you will have to bring a form of ID so you can pick up your ticket.

    Due to the lack of reservations, we have decided to return the block of 75
    rooms to the Marriot. So, we have arranged it so that you can contact the
    Marriot through their 800 number. If you need a room, call the La Guardia
    Marriot at 1-800-882-1043. *REMEMBER TO TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE GOING TO
    THE "DREAM THEATER CONVENTION"*. The deadline to reserve a room is
    October 4th. If you need to find someone to split a room with, the staff
    is still doing that (well, Greg is), so you can contact him at
    grc8@columbia.edu.

    If you plan on flying to the YtseCon III, we have arranged something with
    Rich Worldwide Travel so you can reserve airline tickets through them by
    calling their 800 number. Please call 1-800-431-1130, and tell them that
    you are going to the 'Dream Theater Convention'.

    If you can provide a ride to the YtseCon III, or if you are in need of a
    ride, please contact me by either e-mailing me or calling me and I will
    see what I can do.

    Syrinx gave me the idea of writing up a list of paid tickets. If you sent
    out a check to me and you're not on the list, let me know! IT could be
    either lost in the mail or it didn't get to me yet. Well, here goes:

    1N - One night reserved at the Marriot (these are only the ones that were
    sent to me rather than directly to the Marriot)

    2N - Two nights reserved at the MArriot

    R - Providing rides
     
    L - Providing a place to stay
     
    Paid:

    001 Ryan T. Rafaloff 002 Ryan T. Rafaloff 003 David Neff
    004 Sean Haider 005 Sean Haider 006 Brian Anderson + 1N
    007 Brian Anderson 008 Brian Anderson 009 Pat Gravino
    010 Mike Ostrich + 1N 011 Mike Ostrich 012 Dave Pack
    013 Brian Levy 014 Jason Breitweg 015 Mike Bahr + 1N
    016 Josh Sager 017 Josh Sager 018 Josh Sager
    019 Josh Sager 020 Jeff Chew 021 Greg Chew
    022 Michael Pomerleau 023 Michael Pomerleau 024 Matthew Erwich
    025 Paul Cashman 026 Brian Kirk 027 Brian Kirk
     
    Okay, that's it so far. It's not looking very good so far, and I really
    need the money to put the deposit on the conference room, so I'd prefer if
    you guys sent me the money ahead of time rather than paying more at the
    door. That's it for now. If there are any mistakes, e-mail me! I'll
    talk to you soon!

    Yours,
    Jeff =)

                <*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
        <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
      <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>

           "Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:25:08 -0600
    From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: anal surgery/Pearl Jam/JOC/name/SM (not S&M)
    Message-ID: <323DD3C4.C09@mo.net>

    PBS showed the Christmas episode or Mr. Bean last night. There was a
    scene where he got his head stuck up a turkey's butt (well, he was
    trying to stuff it - yeah, it was a dead bird - I won't go into details
    right now, though). Sort of reminded me of this more than marginally
    sick thread. Seems he suffered from a rare strain of this disease.
            BTW, Brian, I like some of Pearl Jam's stuff, too (especially the stuff
    off Ten). I wouldn't call myself a PJ fan, but I do like some fo their
    stuff. Just pulling your chain.
            Also, the Jars of Clay album wasn't completely produced by Adrian
    Bellew. Flood and Liquid were, and I believe the rest was produced by
    the band themselves (not totally sure on that, though). I do know that
    the two aforementioned songs were produced by AB, though. AB also
    played violin and some other instruments on the album, too. Whereas I
    do like Flood, it probably is my least fave song on the album (partly
    due to radio overplay). I like Liquid a lot (for those keen Gregorian
    Chants). Got to see them twice (once before they were signed, once this
    summer at Cornerstone fest). Good band, but not prog, metal, or
    anything close to DT's style.

    >Dale (or is that Monty?) Newberry:
            It's Dale. I'll try and change the name thing so people don't get us
    confused anymore.
            Saviour Machine is also really good if you dig really deep lyrics that
    make you think a lot. Both studio albums and the live album (Live in
    Deutschland) are the kind of albums you really have to listen to
    straight through to fully appreciate. Especially with SMII, it's like
    an opera.
            AHHHHHH!!!!! That friggin' delayed mail message got an EOJ!!!! Man,
    life sucks sometimes. Oh well. Later all.

                                    Dale R. Newberry

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:37:18 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: ATTENTION BOSTON AREA JAMMERS
    Message-ID: <199609162137.RAA09538@wicked.stigmata.org>

    Hi All ..

            This is just a quick message to any Boston/Eastern
    Mass. area jammers. Can you all please email me as soon as
    possible. I want to get a list together of jammers in the
    area for some stuff.

    Thanks
    Skadz

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com
            Internet / Network / Systems Consultant
    Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications
    http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    left alone with a cold blank stare, i feel like giving up
                    acos - dream theater
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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:38:25 -0700
    From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Division By Zero
    Message-ID: <199609162138.OAA18988@main.cfmc.com>

    Forgive me, but I'm as immersed in digests as the rest of you, and I thought
    I'd contribute a little more to the tremendous volume here....

    >From: S Hacker <94001988@lambton.on.ca>
    >
    >Hi there, since most of you jammers out there are musicians, can anybody
    >point me in the right direction to learn Jazz Guitar, i am trying to get
    >into a school for music, but i need to learn a basic foregoround of jazz
    >just to get in. Thanks alot

    One of the things to do, I'd say, is just to listen. A lot. I'm guessing
    you already have, but I'll fire a couple of names at you to listen to -- Joe
    Pass, Wes Montgomery, Ron Eschette, George Benson, George Van Eps, Pat
    Metheny. And some horn players -- Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie
    Parker, Fletcher Henderson, Ornette Coleman. Make sure you're reading's
    so-so, at least (it probably doesn't have to be great). A couple of
    magazines and a Mel Bay book may not be so bad. A good thing to do would be
    to pick of a fake book (I'd suggest "The Real Book"....everyone seems to
    have that one) and see if you can get through some standards -- "All The
    Things You Are," "Stella By Starlight," Satin Doll," that kind of thing. If
    you can do that and get a few of those down, you oughta be okay. Beyond
    Step 1, at least.

    >From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
    >
    >********
    >Cool. KSJO in SJ is playing "Virtuality" on the radio. I also
    >heard the Tribute version of "Red Barchetta" last week. KRXQ in
    >Sacramento is still the best station (anywhere) though.
    >********

    I've STILL only heard "Test For Echo" ONCE on KSJO. That's it for the new
    album. Heard it about 20 times in a weekend on KLOS down in LA (plus
    hearing "Virtuality" once). Sacramento DOES have some good radio,
    though....or did back when I was in Davis.

    >From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
    >
    >...All this who-can-outplay-whom crap is getting really
    >tiresome. Technical ability is nice and all, but lucky for JP, he can write
    >a good tune, otherwise all the shedding he's done all these years would only
    >have him giving guitar lessons to zit-faced kids and making sandwiches to
    >pay the rent. Ever wonder how many burning players Berklee spits out every
    >semester who can't write a song to save their life? Too many.
    >
    >Technical ability is a skill, songwriting ability is a talent.

    I'd say I agree with most of the above sentiment. Queensryche can play.
    Dream Theater can play. AND both of the band's write well. I don't wanna
    begrudge anyone their right to assail the virtues of another band, but I
    don't see much to choose between the two. They're both among my favorites.

    On the other hand, for all the talk about soulless shredders, you'd think
    they're all over the damn place. A list of people lumped in there at one
    time or another that I don't agree with -- Yngwie Malmstein, Steve Vai, Joe
    Satriani, Vinnie Moore, Tony MacAlpine, Eric Johnson, Greg Howe, and, yes,
    our beloved John Petrucci. ALL of those guys write good music. They aren't
    just technicians. I sure don't think of their music as soulless.

    >Anyone remember the band T-Ride? They had one album that was released in
    >'92, they toured with Satch, and then disappeared. I really like that album
    >of theirs and I'm wondering if any of the bandmembers went on to release
    >other material.

    Well, I've got that album...Tyson was a student of Satriani's, which I
    suppose you know, but I don't think any of the other guys have any other
    material that's actually been available. If so, it's on an even smaller
    scale than the T-Ride record, which I'd highly recommend to anyone, should
    they run into it in a discount/cutout bin.

    Adam D. Barnhart
    adamb@cfmc.com
    ydnt85a@prodigy.com

    Five Gratuitous CD's:
    =====================
    1. Rush: Test For Echo
    2. Eric Johnson: Venus Isle
    3. Dream Theater: Images and Words
    4. Lost Souls: Howlin' At The Moon
    5. Bob Marley and The Wailers: Confrontation

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Lee T. Sprague" <lsprague@i84.net>
    To: Dream Theater Mailing <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Who's better?
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960916175847.7765B-100000@i84.net>

    Wow! I never thought a discussion group like this, with so many musicians
    themselves, would start bashing and praising bands on talent as a criterium.

    Why doesn't Scott Rockenfield play like Mike Portnoy? Because he doesn't
    play like Mike Portnoy. Why doesn't Mike Portnoy play like Neil Peart,
    because he doesn't play like Neil Peart. Who's better? Who cares?

    You people that are trying to rank these fine percussionists on their
    "talent" forget one important thing: they're playing for them, not you.
    Music is such a complicated subject, but when it's said and done, what's
    important is the musician's fulfillment from playing. Anything you take
    from it as a bystander is incidental and inconsequential to the music
    itself. For me, it means remembering specific times in my life, and on a
    good day, being able to participate in the music by playing along on my
    drums, or tapping my foot while reading a magazine.

    If you don't care for something, great. Move on to something you do
    like, because there's so much out there, you'll never have time to find
    and listen to all the music out there that you would enjoy.

    --LS

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:43:25 -0700 (MST)
    From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
    To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Rush Interview and THE LIE SINGLE
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960913093312.1418F-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000@moon.pr.eraumoon.pr.erau.edu>

    Hello all...

    Got 2 things...

    1) My brother got a recording of the live Rush interview that was
    broadcast last week. He's sending me a copy very soon. If there's
    anyone out there that would like to get a copy, let me know and we can
    work out a trade or something!

    2) I know DT released "Lie" on a CD single (not in the US of course ;)
    and I really NEEEEEEEEEDDDD to get a copy...is there anyone who might
    know where to buy or order one...can't find it ANYWHERE!!!!!

    HEELLLPP!!!

    Thanks...

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                           -- THE DEVIL'S PLAYTHING --
                           -- papined@pr.erau.edu --
                           -- David Papineau --
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    IDIOT, noun. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human
    affairs has always been dominant and controlling. The Idiot's activity is
    not confined to any special field of thought or action, but 'pervades and
    regulates the whole.' He has the last word on everything; his decision is
    unappealable. He sets the fashions of opinion and taste, dictates the
    limitations of speech and circumscibes conduct with a dead-line.

    Ambrose Bierce, ::The Devil's Dictionary::
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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:53:28 -0700 (MST)
    From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
    To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Shadow Gallery!!! PET!!!!!!!
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960916154332.17822C-100000@moon.pr.erau.edu>

    Hello, again!!

    This weekend I picked up 2 new CDS! I got both at Tower Records in
    Tempe.

    SHADOW GALLERY - Carved in Stone

    OK, I picked this one up on a dare because I've heard for a year now that
    these guys are great. Since I'd never heard they're stuff before, I
    dodn't quite know what to expect...and SURVEY SAYS...

    Well, I've only listened to it once, and I like it a lot! Its got a cool
    rythm throughout the whole, and I like how they merge the songs together
    with intermissions! GHOST SHIP!! Yess...yet another 20+ minute song!!!
    I'll put that up there with 2112, ACOS, and IGOD!

    Do these guys have any older material, any live stuff out there? Anyone
    got any information above and beyond whats in the liner notes? Sounds
    like they went thru a lot during recording...whats the story?

    The other CD I got is my sister's band, PET!

    For those out there who picked up the "Crow - City of Angels" soundtrack,
    you'll recognize the name from track 14 -Lil'Boots-. This song just kicks!!!
    Can't say enough about it!!

    Anyway, I know there's a whole bunch of TORI AMOS fans out there. PET is
    the first band signed under Tori's Igloo Records CO. She's the executive
    producer of PET's new CD, which came out last Tuesday.

    Anyway, its not high on technical skill, but the songwriting is awesome
    and powerful...the sound is unique, and they're just phenomenal live!!!
    Since I gotta do this plug...PICK UP THIS CD!!
    If you liked the stuff on the Crow, you'll like the rest...

    Nuff said....

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                           -- THE DEVIL'S PLAYTHING --
                           -- papined@pr.erau.edu --
                           -- David Papineau --
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    IDIOT, noun. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human
    affairs has always been dominant and controlling. The Idiot's activity is
    not confined to any special field of thought or action, but 'pervades and
    regulates the whole.' He has the last word on everything; his decision is
    unappealable. He sets the fashions of opinion and taste, dictates the
    limitations of speech and circumscibes conduct with a dead-line.

    Ambrose Bierce, ::The Devil's Dictionary::
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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: T-ride
    Message-ID: <199609162258.PAA24345@serbia.it.earthlink.net>

    >
    >>Anyone remember the band T-Ride? They had one album that was released in

    Hehe...yeah, I remember T-Ride...I caught the very end of their show one
    night long ago, I think they were opening for Quiot Riot, or was it
    Dangerous Toys, I don't remember.....anyway, they didn't sound to bad...
    (like I said, it was long ago, and I really don't remember too much about them)
    I also won a T-Ride T-shirt from the local radio station here....Still
    have it...Everytime I wear it, I feel like I'm playing 20 questions:
    Who the hell is T-Ride? What kind of music do they play, etc....
    Well, gotta run.....till next time

    ryan

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:02:15 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
    To: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
    Subject: Re: Rush Interview and THE LIE SINGLE
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960916190130.28778A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>

    > 1) My brother got a recording of the live Rush interview that was
    > broadcast last week. He's sending me a copy very soon. If there's
    > anyone out there that would like to get a copy, let me know and we can
    > work out a trade or something!
    >
    > 2) I know DT released "Lie" on a CD single (not in the US of course ;)
    > and I really NEEEEEEEEEDDDD to get a copy...is there anyone who might
    > know where to buy or order one...can't find it ANYWHERE!!!!!

    Hey. Syrinx here.

    1: I'd like a copy of the broadcast.

    2: I can get the LIE single. It's about 17 bucks total, but i can get my
    hands on it, no problem.

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:35:51 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: "comparing" Awake and Promised Land
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609162018.A60127-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>

    > Another wants to compare Promised Land vs Awake. Can't happen.
    >They are in two different dirctions. However, I thing PL itself is in
    >2 different dirctions. Personally, I think PL is the weakest QR disk.
    >I have tried to get into it for a year now and can't. To me it's a
    >poor extension of Empire. That doesn't mean I think they suck, it
    >just means I have a problem with the disk where others don't.

            I think "another" is I. Since I'm being dumped on (again), let
    me explain what I meant.
            You can compare any two things you want. It might not me useful
    or worth the effort, but you can do it (actually, that might be more
    of a contrast). The two different directions you speak of imply
    contrast. And since they have some similarities (they are both albums by
    great bands released in the same year are just a few), comparing and
    contrasting them is not difficult.
            In my post I was attempting to defend both bands among the
    squabbling that was occuring over Mindless's (oops, Mindcrime)
    assertion. I don't understand what could be wrong with that.
            Since I'm sure this list is tired of my posts by now, I suggest
    this be taken to private e-mail (your welcome, Skadz).

            Jeff Falk
            jefffalk@bu.edu
    "it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive" Bruce Springsteen "Badlands"

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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:55:28 -0400
    From: DreamNDay@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: I have stuff to say
    Message-ID: <960916205527_286404788@emout05.mail.aol.com>

    >I will admit to being a Pearl Jam fan, but only up through Vitalogy. To me
    >anything after Vitalogy got old and their last single I heard on the radio
    >just plain sucks. I don't know what they're trying to do, it just sounds so
    >monotonal, and Eddy Vedder just sounds like he doesn't want to be there
    >anymore. No energy, in my mind. You may interpret this differently, and
    >that's fine. And what's up with the Lion King sounding rhythm?
    Ahh. Must be Who You Are. they're just going in another direction. I have
    always felt that the first two albums were good and Vitalogly was bad, but I
    learned to like it over the summer. If I didn't learn to like Vitalogy, I
    probably wouldn't have bought No Code. If you liked Vitalogy, pick up the new
    one.

    >Just wanted to put in a quick plug for the new Tool album, AEnima. It
    >comes out on vinyl Tuesday the 17th and on CD on October 1st. If you've
    >heard any Tool before, you know how thick their music is and from what
    >I've heard of the new stuff, it's going to be more palatable this time.
    >Don't get me wrong, I love Undertow, but AEnima will be a big album for
    >them. Check 'em out!
    Yes! Yes! YES! Thank you so much, Rip, for getting me back into Tool! You
    know what was cool? At lollapalooza a plane flew around the staduim and wrote
    TOOL OCT 1 in a big circle. It seemed so far away then. Funny how time flies

    > Another wants to compare Promised Land vs Awake. Can't happen.
    >They are in two different dirctions. However, I thing PL itself is in
    >2 different dirctions. Personally, I think PL is the weakest QR disk.
    >I have tried to get into it for a year now and can't. To me it's a
    >poor extension of Empire. That doesn't mean I think they suck, it
    >just means I have a problem with the disk where others don't.
    I hate to contribute to this thread, but I think that Promised Land is better
    than some of their older stuff (Rage, Warning, never heard the first disk).
    But you really can't compare the two. End of story. I love both bands, so the
    DT/QR bashing is starting to bother me.

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                                       Life sucks and I don't care
                                            later--------------Brian
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    Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:04:43 +0000
    From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Bumping into a jammer and various things.
    Message-ID: <199609170104.UAA09302@enteract.com>

    Hey!

         I just bumped into my first unknown jammers this weekend. I (of
    course) forget their names, but there was a girl wearing a green
    Ytsejam sweatshirt and her ( I assume ) boyfriend, whom I know is a
    jammer from our short conversation. I know I scared the girl because
    I saw the shirt out of the corner of my eye and I spun around and
    started staring at it in a very obvious manner before asking her
    "...DT fan?" Whoever it was doesn't post much anymore or at least
    doesn't read much anymore because the jam has gotten so filled with
    crap lately. It was wild to meet someone in person who's on the jam that
    you've never met before.
            I got the new Steve Vai today (Yes, pre release. I'm just lucky,
    that's all) and I can tell you, if you like Passion and Warfare and
    you like Satriani a la Surfing with the Alien, you will DIE when you
    hear this album. I am TOTALLY pleased with it. That's rare for me.
    The last two albums I've bought (Altura and Vai) are both wonderful.
    I hope to be able to add Lemur Voice and Superior to that list REAL
    soon.
          To you people wasting your time arguing about who is better: QR
    or DT, I have one thing to say: The White Sox uniforms are cooler
    than the Indians uniforms.
          See how that little argument means next to nothing to you?
    It's all opinion. Petrucci and the gang are far more technically
    advanced than Fates Warning, and yet Fates was my favorite band
    before I had even heard of DT (Although DT is SOOOOO good it hurts!)
    Technical ability means nothing in the long run. It's about what you
    like better and what I like better, and your opinion in that matter
    means nothing to me. And mine shouldn't mean anything to you.
           To those of you talking about Metallica (Alternicca), Lars,
    Pearl Jam, and all that crap on this PROGRESSIVE MUSIC MAILING LIST,
    I have one thing to say: Cars with fiberglass bodies aren't likely
    to get rust holes.
            Does that make sense to say on the jam? No.
            To Damon in particular, I wanted to ask a question about
    posting... hey wait a minute... an idea that makes SENSE! How about
    I mail him personally, and not make EVERYONE ON THE LIST have to read
    a conversation that doesn't involve them in the least? Sure, it may
    get witty and interesting, and the jam won't see how cool I am, but
    hey... I'm not that cool anyways, and I can save EVERYONE time by not
    posting my unimportant conversation to the jam. I wonder if my
    radical new way of thinking will catch on... NAH... no way.

    Take care, everyone. I love you too.

    Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
    EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
    someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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