YTSEJAM Digest 1842
Today's Topics:
1) QR/DT opinions
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
2) Rush lame?, Parental surprises,
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
3) In defense of DT, James the poser ;)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
4) Wombats
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
5) Re: I have stuff to say
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
6) Re: Division by Zero
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
7) New
by Jeremy Schwartzberg <jeremy@gator.net>
8) bizarre question, NDTC
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@mailhost.vwc.edu>
9) Wombats
by kurt@fgallery.com
10) QR/DT opinions
by kurt@fgallery.com
11) dt tab
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
12)
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
13) bizarre question, NDTC
by kurt@fgallery.com
14) Re: In defense of DT, James the poser ;)
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) Ytse Trek III: The Search For T-Stretch
by Scott <anthem@virginia.edu>
16) Yes? No?
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
17) Enchant & Lemur Voice
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1839
by YAP <auhcy@asu.edu>
19) Re: Bruce and DT?
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
20) New Vai Album...
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:09:32 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR/DT opinions
Message-ID: <323df089.1510657@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:27:10 -0400
>From: kurt@fgallery.com
>correctly.. oh yeah de garmo can solo like JOhny P does? ..sure right
I enjoy Wilton and DeGarmo's playing as a tandem unit, but I
find their individual solos a little boring. Occasionally, it seems to
me that they are looking for flash as opposed to taste in a solo. This
is particularly true of The Warning where there are frequent trem
dives for no apparent reason.
One thing I did discover about QR on the Empire tour is that
Wilton is the better of the two soloists. Not only that, but he plays
a 12 string very nicely.
I don't feel that ever of them can touch JP from a technical
standpoint however. John's playing is much more innovative and his
solos flow much better, as though the instrument were a violin rather
than a guitar.
I like both bands for different reasons. I listen to DT to
lose myself in the complexity and vituosity of the music and QR for
the conciseness of the songs.
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:09:26 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush lame?, Parental surprises,
Message-ID: <323dec00.349048@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
>From: skooc@earthlink.net
>>he's so busy doing complicated fills and funny syncopation that Rush's
>>songs have no beat, only Neil showing us how good he is.
WHAT?????
This guy needs to pull his head out of his sphincter and turn
back the page to the year 2112 came out. The bulk of that piece is in
4/4 and very easy to follow. Perhaps he lacks the ability to count? We
could get him some tutoring sessions with Rain Man. Just a thought.
>>Geddy sounds
>>like a girl. In fact, it took me two years to realize that Rush's singer
>>is a guy. His lyrics are just too much. He should just shut the hell up
>>and let Alex and Neil show us how technically proficient they are.
Okay so Geddy is now the primary lyricist? Wow! I thought I
knew Rush! All of these years Neil tricked us into thinking he was the
master of the poetic pen. Huh! I guess you learn something every day!
Now let me get this straight. Neil shows off too much, but
Geddy should shut up so that we can here more of Neil's playing. That
makes PERFECT sense to me. ;)
>>3. Do the Neil worshippers actually think that Alex Van Halen couldn't do
>>all Neil's crap if he so desired? He realizes that if he did all that in
>>VH it would sound like crap. There are so many drummers who have the
>>ability of Neil, but they know it sounds bad in a band.
Oh PLEASE!!!! Alex Van Halen can't see past the fucking tint
on his California-giggolo sunglasses far enought to master half of
Neil's technique.
He doesn't play that stuff in VH because he can't!
>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 10:50:10 UT
>From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
>what " a nice singer he was" then my dad(whose into Pavarotti, Mario Lanza -
>people who sing properly even though I cant stand them) said to quote "its
>nice to hear one of your singers who actually sings properly".
Parents can shock the hell out of you at times. Not long ago,
while visiting the shores of my youthful exuberance, I played a little
of I&W for my mom. She said "They're a really good band. They are
obviously very well trained instrumentally and the singer has great
range."
The camera now pans to me standing open mouthed with my tongue
dragging on the floor collecting loose carpet fibers.
Was this the same "mom" who had hated all of my music, save
for the Scorpions, when I was growing up! I think not!
At this moment, the Canadian secret service is conducting a
full investigation! Any of you ever see the 1982 remake of The Thing?
;)
>5 albums playing at moment
Wow! That must be REALLY hard to follow! Talk about selective
listening!
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto's most psychotic son
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:09:36 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: In defense of DT, James the poser ;)
Message-ID: <323df30f.2156685@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 21:11:57 EDT
>From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> It just makes it too easy to
>jump on tyour reply key and get out the heat gun. I am guilty of it myself. I
>mean, I don't want to see this list degenerate into squabbling flaming wars
>against a guy who isn't even here.
Agreed, although my original reason for forwarding the letters
here was more closely related to a demonstration of how one's mind can
be so tightly closed to the glorious experience of music. Of course, I
did enjoy sending that to the little smegma head. ;)
Seriously though, we can all learn something from this.
Remember that no matter how much you hate something, someone else
loves it and you do a disservice to yourself by attacking their
musical preferences. Unless of course we're talking about Mr. Townsend
of Working Man fame. ;) Woowowowwwoooooo INDEED!
>somebody wants to vomit his anti-DT opinions, let him. We all know the truth.
I can see your point of view and you can relax. This was a one
time thing for me.
However, if you allow an undesirable behavior to go unchecked,
it is more likely to be repeated. I'm not advocating a military strike
on the Anti-DT contingency (well, actually I am), but I do think that
we have a right to step in and take care of our own now and again.
This isn't necessarily a case of "my band can outplay your
band". That would prove to be utterly fruitless and would go on
interminably. You'll notice that at no point do I attack QR. I'm a fan
of their music and that would be self-defeating.
This is a defensive of the honor of DT. I feel it to be my
duty to present my viewpoint so that others are not turned away from
what we all know to be a great band possessing phenomenal performance
and composition skills.
Strangely enough, I've read 2 posts following my original
letter to Mindcrimer in the newsgroup requesting recommendations for
DT material. If other jammers go to that group and deal with such
people spouting nonsense with tact and without resorting to name
calling, Herr Crimer's vitriole will lose it's toxicity and his
disciples will soon begin to see him for the arrogant musical bigot
that he truly is.
Consider this. After only 1 year of listening to Rush, he now
considers himself an expert and is spewing forth the same sort of
emesis on the Rush newsgroup if anyone says anything anti-Rush. It's
not only stupid, it's embarassing! I don't want a guy like him to be
representative of typical Rush fans.
In truth, I think a great many QR fans feel the same way about
his presence in the newsgroup of their heros.
>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 20:40:46 PDT
>From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
>James is an awesome frontman. Now, when people complain about
>him seeming arrogant or offstandish, you should realize that
>is part of the image, the presence he portrays (god-like :^)>
His size wouldn't affect me at all. I'd just stand down front
and make faces at him all night long.
Then I could tell the emergency room staff all about it while
they removed the base of his mic stand from inside my bottom lip. ;)
In truth, James does exactly what you want a singer to do
during lyrical portions of the songs; command your attention. From his
wizard style hand passes to his Salon Beautiful Hair autoweaves, he is
the best.
And his voice is pretty neat too. :)
And, all this from a Canadian boy from a little place called
Toronto. Who'd have thunk it!?? ;)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:19:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wombats
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960916200713.16351C-100000@comp.uark.edu>
Okay, looks like we have yet another example of 'think before you post'
that's gotten started, re: QR vs. DT...
This has been brought up many times.. and usually silenced by the words
of wisdom: they are two different bands. Each band is very good at what
they do... just leave it at that. You don't silence a person who says
'Band X sucks... band Y could kick their ass anyday' with 'Yeah whatever,
obviously you are a moron, Band Y is easily superior to your pathetic
little Band X.' Got it? Good...
I personally *really* like QR's dual guitars, and you have to give a
helluva lot of credit to Geoff Tate in the singing department.
Queensryche also has a lot of songwriting talent. They could use more
keys and a little more intricate bass line, but this is only being
nitpicky. Oh yeah, and they put on a *DAMNED* good show. If QR ever
tours near you, check them out... you will not be disappointed.
DT has incredible musicians that love to show off their abilities...
(tastefully, I like to think). Their songs at times could benefit from a
little more experimentation, but this is only a very small nitpick.
Two biggest things I'd like to see them try: dual guitars (they sorta do
this already though, honestly, between bass/guitar or keys/guitar) and
get someone else to sing some harmonies every now and then.
Okay, I know I've proably said something up there that *someone* will find
controversial or blasphemous... I don't care, that's my opinion. You
have yours and I'm not gonna rag on you about it, unless it's a case where
you are totally uninformed and trying to act as the final authority.
Oh yeah... somebody was saying that they thought Operation: Mindcrime was
an inferior album to Empire or Promised Land. Okay, that's your opinion
and you are entitled to it... but most QR fans hold O:M to be their
masterpiece, with Empire and PL being a bit weaker of albums.
Point of this post: who cares what others think.... just listen to the
damn music and find the bands/music that *you* enjoy.
DrX
P.S. Oh yeah, still time to sign up for the prog tapeswap... e-mail me
at: tapeswap@reich.uark.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 21:48:42 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I have stuff to say
Message-ID: <9609170148.AA06847@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Re: Pearl Jam
Brian, I don't know, but a lot of people I've talked to don't like No Code.
Just the single I've heard is enough to convince me that I don't want the
album, then again, I was like that with ten, VS and vitalogy. But I don't get
into the Lion King beat and sound of that song. Maybe the rest of the album
is better, but I need to hear another couple singles.
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:51:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Division by Zero
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960916214631.64A-100000@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Infinity, am I right??? which leads me to Infinite Dreams, which is
probably my fave IM song, which leads me to.........what's up with those
CD rereleases? And, are the two extra songs (live versions or
something) per disk (or is it a second disk?) worth getting the albums
again? for those who have absolutely no clew what i'm babbling about, I
went to Tower Records, and in one of those special bins (i didn't catch
the headline on the bin, the prices were not sale prices, tho) I see a
copy of 7th son...and the liner stuff is hawking "Prowler '88" or something
like that.......
hey Koggie: is this the stuff that was on your bootlist?
partha
p.s.: couldn't find my weird review, but I'll keep looking
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:52:19 -0400
From: Jeremy Schwartzberg <jeremy@gator.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New
Message-ID: <323E0453.291E@gator.net>
Hey everybody! I'm a hardcore DT fan and am new to this mailing list. I
play guitar and am also into Rush, old Metallica, Yngwie Malmsteen,
Steve Vai, etc. Pretty much everything you guys probably listen to. Does
anybody have DT's live, double CD? Is it any good?
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:56:50 -0300
From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@mailhost.vwc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bizarre question, NDTC
Message-ID: <01565084104053@vwc.edu>
This would be the only place I would dare ask this question:
Has Chevy Chase died or not? There's this rumor careening throughout campus
that he's dead and no one seems to know for sure.
Just wondering.
Jaime the Dragon
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:05:58 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wombats
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.16.-10.5.58.2916992174.341693@bbs.fgallery.com>
COol.. thatas thing about DT doing dual guitars./ that would be
cool...but it would only be studio based.. ): but it woud be cool indeed
"you get not one..but 2 petruccis with your purchasE!" hehe thats what
i like aboyt CLockWork.. dual guitar solos (its not the only thing i
like about them..they rock) Hey anthony..looking forward to the new
stuff!! :)
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:59:44 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR/DT opinions
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.16.-11.59.44.2916992174.341686@bbs.fgallery.com>
Cool..Rick..ive never been able to describe petrucci's playing from My
pov as accurately as you just said!! He sounds like hes playing a
violin.. in the sense of the "flow" and melodic "toghetherness" ... man
thanks! :) QR's cool anyway! Dunno if this may sound stupid but my
favorite QR song is Silent Lucidity, (its not theonly one ive heard) :)
because it reminds me of some good times in my life ..
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:08:56 -0600
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dt tab
Message-ID: <m0v2pkd-000QxVC@mis01.micron.net>
heehee hey jazzmin i feel your pain buddy. I got the awake tab last year,
and its 150 pages of pure frustration. Actually some of it isn't bad like
TSM and Lie and parts of E, but most of it is impossible. That's why i
have all the metallica tabs. They sound cool, but they're all real easy to
play. ok not all, but most. Don't flame me saying yea like you can play
every note of damage inc. i can't. Wow I listened to all 72 minutes of the
al di meola album 4 times last night. thats like 5 hours! I was doin a
paper for english. anyway, the first time i listened to it, it sounded like
he was just jamming, but all the songs do have cool structure. I'd hate to
say it, but this guy might be better than JP. If you play guitar and want
to be humbled pick up al di meola acoustic anthology. Look in the jazz
section.
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:26:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199609170226.WAA21383@beasley.cris.com>
>From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
>To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Rush Interview and THE LIE SINGLE
>
>
>2) I know DT released "Lie" on a CD single (not in the US of course ;)
>and I really NEEEEEEEEEDDDD to get a copy...is there anyone who might
>know where to buy or order one...can't find it ANYWHERE!!!!!
The "Lie" single is available from Apocalypse Music, whose address, me
thinks, is http://www.clever.net/apocalypse.
I expect my copy in about a week (due time for my check to clear). Maybe by
then I'll even have received some of my Bahr CD's too. I'm itchin' for 'em!
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:14:06 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bizarre question, NDTC
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.16.-10.14.6.2916992174.341700@bbs.fgallery.com>
I dont think hes dead.. well maybe
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 22:56:58 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: In defense of DT, James the poser ;)
Message-ID: <9609170257.AA04038@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Rick, I was not slagging your post, I was using it as a reference, because
that post, and the forwards from others have started a flame trend. You're
not at fault, I understand your point, but when that post from mindcrimer
appeared here, and somebody responded to it, it started the whole war all
over again. Let's pick up the ceasefire where it left off thae last round,
huh? QR is great. DT is great. Rush is great. Everybody is great. I'm done.
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:22:59 -0500
From: Scott <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Vomiting In Digital <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytse Trek III: The Search For T-Stretch
Message-ID: <v01540b08ae63d70fb668@bootp-246-17.bootp.virginia.edu>
Trey Allen, if in fact you have not disappeared off the face of the earth
as I am beginning to suspect, please email me.
Scott Herman.
anthem@virginia.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:39:48 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes? No?
Message-ID: <199609170339.UAA18556@darkstar.ucsc.edu.>
While I can (sort of) understand why people pick Close To The Edge as their
#1 yes album (I can't tolerate it too much, like the reviews of Tales, it's
just too much going on -- noise, not music, for me) I do wonder why people
don't like Relayer? That surpassed Fragile for me as my #1 album. Is it
Patrick Moraz? I like his keys work, and he does some cool solos that sound
like proto-KevMo stuff. Just wondering ...
~Chris
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:11:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchant & Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <199609170411.AAA78743@pilot13.cl.msu.edu>
For those of you who like Enchant, their new CD, Wounded, is available
in Germany on the Inside Out label. US 'Jammers (like me) can get it from
cdeurope.com for $25 + S/H. I am told that the major differences from the
first one are a greater focus on melody and Paul Craddick's toned-down
drumwork. :( I am also told that it is very good. I can't afford it yet,
anyone else want to pick it up and let the rest of us know how it is?
On the subject of Lemur Voice, great CD, but did I read that right?
A SIXTEEN string bass??? Anyone ever heard of this? More info would be
appreciated...
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:31:10 -0700 (MST) From: YAP <auhcy@asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1839 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960916212347.14127A-100000@email1.asu.edu>
> Piece of advice, to George. Try playing her something like Another Day, > Surrounded, Wait for Sleep, lifting Shadows, Innocence Faded, Space Dye Vest, > or the covers off ACOS, and Eve if you have it and To Live forever if you > have that. Those tracks are less menacing musically and are softer, (god
Hey, all those songs mentioned were on the tape that another DT fan made me when I finally told him I will try DT. I guess I used to "belong" in that category. :) I have to confess that after playing the whole tape, the only song that stood out to me was SDV. But after a few more listening, the rest is history.....
huichi auhcy@asu.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:54:10 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bruce and DT? Message-ID: <199609170455.EAA54508@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 09/16/96 02:41am -0700 What song did Bruce do with DT?
Mark Stranger0
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:28:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Vai Album... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609170148.A107667-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
Well, it's really slick. What would you expect from Steve? Anyway, the track entitled "When I Was a Little Boy" is basically Steve talking about how he "played with his weenie" quite extensively while growing up. It's pretty funny, I think. I mean, he said weenie. :)
Later!
Brian
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