YTSEJAM Digest 1848
Today's Topics:
1) Live in Tokyo is available.
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
2) woooooo
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) ytsecon
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
4) Re: GTR
by ALVAREZ1@applelink.apple.com (Alvarez, Paul)
5) NDTC - YES (again)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
6) Re: JOC/hangin'/shedding/guitar sounds
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
7) Re: apologies
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
8) I suck
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
9) zero
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
10) Re: YES stuff
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) Too important not to post! G3
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
12) GTR on CD....
by Jeff Ballard <jballa@ctp.com>
13) LiT in Oregon? and a thought-provoking comparison
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
14) 2 CD sets
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
15) Re: NDTC - Yes / Union
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) yestuff, n0stuff, otherstuff
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
17) a thought
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
18) Re: yestuff, n0stuff, otherstuff
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
19) Tim Lodge's InstruMENTAL CDs
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
20) sounds of god
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
21) James and Axl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
22) Mammarian craniums (not ANOTHER disease to fight)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:42:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Live in Tokyo is available.
Message-ID: <199609182042.QAA28891@beasley.cris.com>
Someone posted in the last issue about where to find LiT in Oregon. (I
forget who, as I deleted the message before responding.)
I got my copy just last week, as a matter of fact, and I ordered it from
Tower Records' telephone order line, at 1.800.ask.tower. It cost me about
$20 with the shipping.
I hope this helps.
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\***************** Richard S. Audet ********************/
/****************** ytse@cris.com ********************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ******/
/********* University of Florida ********\
\****** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ******/
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:34:10 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: woooooo
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960918213410.006c534c@mail.inlink.com>
ok, to anyone planning on mailing me of how stupid i am not having the new
vai disc your time's up... i just got it and RRRAAAAAHHHH!!!!! i dont need
to say much more...
steve said he might do some work with trent reznor, would anyone else
realllyy wanna see this happen? man that'd kick... well, gotsa go. hasta!
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:41:47 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ytsecon
Message-ID: <199609182150.AAA11187@pepe.online.ee>
so what the hell is that ytsecon? i've been reading about it for a
buttload of time and haven't found out anything but the noun.
also, all those "lsoad" and "latm" and "towhtsts" things are gettin'
overboard. it's cool to avoid typing the whole name, but for the sake
of clarity and other readers' time (i, for example, have spent 5
minutes trying to decipher one of those) can you just quit it? in
short, abbrvitns sck.
finally got it off my chest.
flames welcome, i ain't easily annoyed at this point.
thank you very much, it's half of 1 am and i'm off to sleep.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: 18 Sep 96 21:39 GMT
From: ALVAREZ1@applelink.apple.com (Alvarez, Paul)
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Re: GTR
Message-ID: <843083747.3278692@AppleLink.Apple.COM>
>I loved the GTR album. My cassette tape got eaten long ago. Is it available
on cd?
Yes! it's great. I got it at a "best buy" price of $9.99. Does anyone
know if they ever released additional material? I've heard that the
line-up changed for a short while (Robert Berry?) and another album was
being recorded but never made it to market. Anyone know the story?
Paul
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:54:08 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NDTC - YES (again)
Message-ID: <01BBA5BD.04B51980@Neelix.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Syrinx said :
> that's not true. Chris Squire wouldn't give them the name, and they
> almost went to legal battles over it (kinda like Pink Floyd, but with a
> nicer ending). The union came to be 'cause...well...read the UNION
> jacket.
*Didn't* they battle over that name in court ? That's what *I* heard...
What I meant to say before, was that they could use the name "Yes",
because Chris Squire was involved... Not that he let "ABWH" use it...
"Union" is actually a "11 x ABWH + 4 x YES" album...
> <nod> the abwh stuff is abwh.
> the yes stuff has squire on it, dammit. :)
Yup, on 4 trax & some "ABWH" backing vocals...
I wasn't saying otherwise, was I ? :-)
Can't wait for that new Yes-thing
_____
Oh yeah...
>> Wrong. division by zero is undefined. You can't do it. try it on a
>> calculator:) whoa now i sound nerdy.
>
> Um... I don't know what started this thread but....uh.....I think the
> answer is indeed infinity, for whatever it's worth. I could elaborate,
> but I won't, 'cause it ain't DTC. Trust me on this. ;-)
Try approximation !!! Let's say you're not dividing by zero, but by
something that approximates zero, for instance 0.0000000000000000000001 !
The more "zero's" you add, the bigger the result gets... Now, imagine
dividing by an infinately small number (zero). The result *will* be
infinity !!! Ok, I also think 0/0 should be *one*... A/A = 1/1 <-- A=0
Nevermind...
Mark (Btw, Math is COOL!)
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Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:01:08 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JOC/hangin'/shedding/guitar sounds
Message-ID: <32407F34.A23@mo.net>
Jars of Clay does use a drummer on tour now, I believe. I did see them
last July, and I think I remember seeing/hearing a drummer, but I may be
mistaken. Oh, and they did score a few opening slots with Sting in case
that means anything to anybody.
>I refuse to be caught with my dork hanging out in the wind...
Don't knock it 'til you try it :).
>..."shed"...to mean lots and lots of practice in a private place where >no one can hear us...
Yeah, we used the term woodshedding a lot in jazz band.
Cool. "Voodo Child" (SRV did a killer version of it) is on the
radio right now. I think I might have to go dig my Hendrix disc out.
If you want to hear someone experiment with guitar sounds,
listen to The Edge (U2). Now, of course, the music isn't exactly prog,
but Edge does some funky-ass things with effects.
Well, better go. Gotta get up early for work (cringe). Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:01:35 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: apologies
Message-ID: <32407F4F.FB6@mo.net>
Sorry if my last post got sent more than once. I was having trouble
here with my mail.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:23:14 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I suck
Message-ID: <32408462.57CB@mo.net>
>ummm, Dale (i think), that was Kevin Nealon on Conan the other night
Okay, so I'm a dumbass. Yeah, you're right. I guess they're brand of
humour, and the fact that they have both done the news on SNL kind of
reminded me of Chevy Chase. Oops. I guess I was hallucinating.
Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:28:52 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: zero
Message-ID: <199609182228.PAA03750@darkstar.ucsc.edu.>
I'll try to be quick:
Yes, dividing a finite number by zero is undefined at the point, but the
limit of x/n, with x as any real number and n a small number heading towards
zero is infinity. zero/zero is a different matter. That's really
undefined, and you have to look at the function in which it appears to
figure out the limit.
For non-caculus-heads: the limit is (more or less) where the value would go
if it could get there. Make any more sense? :)
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 18:56:58 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YES stuff
Message-ID: <9609182257.AA10764@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
John, if you want to hear older Yes, and I recommend that you do, wait until
next month when Keys to Ascension comes out. It's a live CD recorded back in
March, it also has two new teacks on it which are both 9 minutes plus.
Unfortunately, if you are expecting Talk II, forget it. Trevor Raben, the
guitarist, and Tony Kay, the keyboardist are gone, replaced by the classic
linup of Rick Wakeman on keys and Steve Howe on guitars. This release won't
be anythng like the 80s stuff. Give Big Generator another listen, I think you
may find something on it. And as far as older Yes, I'd strongly recommend
buying some older albums, like Fragile or Close to the Edge. Actually, a good
compilation for you would be Yes Songs, a double live CD which ahs a lot of
great material and solos. If you are into DT, you may find some merit in
older Yes, but give it a chance. Take the plunge.
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:09:44 +0300
From: vanzin@infinity.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Too important not to post! G3
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.18.-12.9.44.3163793292.116666@infinity.com.br>
Hiya!
>November 2 Northrup Auditorium - Minneapolis, Minnesota
^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
>Yeeeeee HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! I knew they wouldn't let us down!
>And we get the FINALE!!!!!!! ROCK!!! (That means discount t-shirts I
>would assume...)
Some of you guys know if they are making any concert outside USA???
It would be VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY cool to have them around here! Satch
owe we some more (once is not enough), so do Vai :).
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
Always in the #ytsejam!
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:07:51 -0700
From: Jeff Ballard <jballa@ctp.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: GTR on CD....
Message-ID: <324080C7.1500@ctp.com>
It was about 8 years ago (or so) when I bought. I was still in college
and it was my sophomore year! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I just realized I'm
getting older! ;)
You may have to look around or special order, but at one time I know it
was available.
Again, I would highly recommend it to any jammers out there...
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:09:50 +0300
From: vanzin@infinity.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LiT in Oregon? and a thought-provoking comparison
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.18.-12.9.50.3163793292.116669@infinity.com.br>
Hi jammers!
> Today I was in tower records, and I was playing around on the
>musicsearch computer. I had Awake on it, and there was a review. GET
>THIS! The guy really liked it (3/4 stars).
Through here, all right, it's nuthin but the thruth :)
>He compared their music as
>"elements of progressive rock Yes combined with modern Guns N' Roses." I
>swear!! Then he said they have a fantastic lead singer in vein of Geddy
>lee and Axl Rose! i couln't belive it.
Is that guy still alive? I swear he wouldn't be if he met a real
DT fan after saying that shit. Yes ok, even the DT guys say so, but
GUNS'N ROSES? Where was that guys head when he wrote that?
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 2 CD sets
Message-ID: <199609182340.TAA03683@beasley.cris.com>
..speaking of 2-CD DT sets, today I got in the mail Unconsciously Unreal
and Lost In The Sky. The former, containing a handful of cuts from '89 with
Charlie on vocals, is from audience tapes, so its fidelity is a bit lacking.
However, the latter is straight out of the mixer, and it sounds great.
(Well, just a notch below that of LatM). So, I'd say if fidelity is a big
deal to you and you happen to run across Lost In The Sky....GET IT!
Have a day,
-Rick
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\***************** Richard S. Audet ********************/
/****************** ytse@cris.com ********************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ******/
/********* University of Florida ********\
\****** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ******/
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 19:35:25 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDTC - Yes / Union
Message-ID: <9609182335.AA07110@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Itchy.
Union has great songs on it. There were too many producers. Why did they need
so many keyboard players when Kay and Wakeman should've been the only ones
theere. Give me a brerak. If you wanted it to be a true Yes Union, it
would've been all eight of them playing on every song, not 4 Cinema trakcs
and 11 ABWH tracks. Didn't see the tour, wasn't into them yet. Got a good
boot of it?
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:17:43 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: yestuff, n0stuff, otherstuff
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960919011743.0069d094@mail.inlink.com>
> Steve Howe _OWNS_ the Yes logo. Chris Squire _OWNS_ the Yes
> name. Keeping that in mind, Drama is very much a YES album. I'd go
> so far it's in the top 3 that YES has ever done.
thats rather screwey... who was the original lineup, and is there a key
member here? damn, i'm just all confused.. whoever is still around from
the beginning should get the band, and they should just tell everyone else
to piss off ;)
>
>Okay, the zero by zero argument. depends on how you define it! at least,
>that's what my AP Calculus teacher in high school
quit defining and dividing and doing all sorts of other things that start
with "d" to me. :)
>Eric Johnson: Venus Isle
just to put a word in on this- IT ROCKS!!!! AGH!!!!! ROAH!!!!!! seriously,
everyone who's interested in the G3 tour should DEFINATELY grab it and
anyone else should too..
ok, i'm finished fer now, hasta la pizza
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:23:30 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: a thought
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960919012330.006df7c8@mail.inlink.com>
>Just Let Me Breathe (5:15) Lyrics by: Mike Portnoy
hmm, could this by any chance have any relation to lie at all? doubt it,
but who knows, with all the connections they use.. i just hope its a HEAVY
ASS tune :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 21:34:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
Subject: Re: yestuff, n0stuff, otherstuff
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960918213233.6280A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Steve Howe _OWNS_ the Yes logo. Chris Squire _OWNS_ the Yes
> > name. Keeping that in mind, Drama is very much a YES album. I'd go
> > so far it's in the top 3 that YES has ever done.
>
> thats rather screwey... who was the original lineup, and is there a key
> member here? damn, i'm just all confused.. whoever is still around from
> the beginning should get the band, and they should just tell everyone else
> to piss off ;)
The _ORIGIONAL_ lineup is:
Peter Banks (g), Tony Kaye (k), Chris Squire (b), Bill Bruford
(d), and Jon Anderson (v)
For the Drama album:
Chris Squire (b), Alan White (d), Steve Howe (g), Trevor Horn
(v), Geoffrey Downs (k)
The key member is Chris. HE OWNS THE NAME, since he's been on every
album. Peter Banks does a track on the "Tales From Yesterday" album.
Chris is with Yes. Bill's in King Crimson. Tony Kaye? Who cares. :)
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 21:54:56 -0400
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tim Lodge's InstruMENTAL CDs
Message-ID: <v01520d00ae66049d770d@[207.90.122.38]>
Does Tim Lodge still have the Instrumental I and II CDs for sale, and how
much? Track listing (or a URL that has it)? Quality, etc?
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys & Precious Death Pages"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/pdeath.htm
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 22:07:51 -0600
From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sounds of god
Message-ID: <v01530500ae6673b7395d@[206.104.9.6]>
does anyone have the triaxis settings of Petrucci? I thought they were
listed in some guitar magazine once, like GW or GFTPM, when Awake came out,
but when I looked at mine recently, I couldn't find a thing. If any of
yall have his settings, could you please E-mail them to me. Don't just
post them on the jam, 'cause I don't usually read the whole jam. Thanx for
your trouble ;-D.
Subside your tears in your pillow ____ ____ ____ __ __
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Or I will let you cry (``_ \ (``'') (``'') (``\ /'')
(____ ) | | (__ |
We're knowing | (_) ) | __ | | __ | | \/ |
____| | | | __| |
Though we're only thinking | _ < || || || || | |\ /| | |
_____| | | (__ |
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and. . . (_) (_) (____) (____) (_) (_)
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:44:17 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James and Axl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <3240bced.9573427@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
> Any jammers in Portland, do you know where I could find the
>coveted video "Live in Tokyo" in the Portland area? I can't find it
>anywhere!! Please e-mail me privately. Thanks!
Man! You still can't get that thing Mike? I swear you're
snakebit!
Someone dub a copy for this guy until he can locate it!
>swear!! Then he said they have a fantastic lead singer in vein of Geddy
>lee and Axl Rose!
Axl Rod!!!!!!
Blessed Busty Mother Of Our Lord James LaBrie!! (I don't know
if she was a virgin ;) Is this guy deaf???????
I agree that he's an excellent frontman, but what a horrifying
singer to lump him in with!
I prefer to think of James as Placido Domingo with ATTITUDE!
:)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:44:29 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mammarian craniums (not ANOTHER disease to fight)
Message-ID: <3240bf12.10122183@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:30:27 -0400
>From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
>I would just like to clarify that it was *my* original post that brought
>public attention to this unfortunate condition, and *I* preside over the
>organization (a titular head perhaps, but that's the best kind).
I never thought that your head resem......forget it.....I am
NOT going there!
>At the same time, many thanks are due to Rick Terry, who's tireless research
>may some day find a cure for this pox.
I remain at your disposal, in body if not in mind. ;)
Rick Terry
Director - Rehabilitation
YCSRF
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