YTSEJAM Digest 1852
Today's Topics:
1) Edge (guitar sounds)/Axl (St.L. riot)/more bad vocal comparisons/funerals
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
2) The CON, Fun jammers like our moderator!, Funeral dirges
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
3) album releases early next year
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
4) King Crimson no DTC !
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
5) stick mailing list
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1850
by Tim Spear <Veilmaya@dircon.co.uk>
7) LATM was SOLD OUT!
by Tim Spear <Veilmaya@dircon.co.uk>
8) Old Helloween Drummer
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
9) NICKELBAG Info
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
10) When is a band not a band?
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
11) Attention all Finnish 'jammers!!
by Timo Haanpaa <tijuha@utu.fi>
12) Slaughter's last album
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1850
by "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl>
14) Re: NDTC...Scam?
by maddy@enteract.com (Margaret Pluta)
15) promised land
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
16) Question about WB address...
by wsacb0!sbacb0@MCI.Com (Andrew C. Barnaby)
17) Lyrics of TFE
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
18) DT Tree
by James Runde <darwin@monolith.bcl.net>
19) big Brother P-Trax
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:20:27 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: Glam Rockers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Edge (guitar sounds)/Axl (St.L. riot)/more bad vocal comparisons/funerals
Message-ID: <324245BB.1CB2@mo.net>
Yeah, I've always thought of Edge as more of an innovator in style and
experimentation with effects and stuff than a "guitar god" (I remember a
live show form a boot (I think) where Bono jokes about Edge being a
guitar hero when he hits a sour note, or something like that). Probably
the main reason some of said sounds are absent on R&H is due to the fact
that many of the tracks were live, thus changing the sound a bit, and
the non-live tracks were more or less extras from the Joshua Tree
sessions, where there wasn't quite as much experimentation a la UF or
Achtung Baby. And yes, I agree that Eno is likely the main reson for
some of the emerging of these sounds.
>hey, I have an .ra file of this... <snip>
Yeah, I remember Steve & DC (I think) got a bunch of people together
and had them form a big bird (you know, the finger). They then took an
aerial shot of it and sent it to Axl. Those zany guys.
Speaking of bad vocal comparisons (what started the Axl thing), I read
a thing not too long ago that compared the voice of the singer from No
Doubt to Geddy Lee. What's up with that?
Not meaning to slag on Rage (who I don't like, but I rarely slag on
bands other than Oasis :), but that dude had no clue whatsoever. That's
all I'm saying on that.
On the DT funeral song thread, of course ACOS would rule (I like that
idea Ben (I think it was Ben). Also, that list of different songs for
different kinds of death was friggin' hilarious, too. To Live Forever.
Yeah, that or TSM would be @ mine. Of course, I'd like a good heavy one
for people to remember me by. actually, now that I think of it, LSOAD
would be nice. Heck, just play every friggin' song by the band. It'd
be a long funeral, but at least everyone would remember me for great
taste in music. Later all.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:25:10 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The CON, Fun jammers like our moderator!, Funeral dirges
Message-ID: <32423372.7851418@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:47:18 -0400 (EDT)
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
>> so what the hell is that ytsecon? i've been reading about it for a
>> buttload of time and haven't found out anything but the noun.
>
>It's a really cool party-type atmosphere where we all get together and
>make fun of people that aren't in attendance and listen to cool music
>and piss off entire restaurants full of people with talk of testicular
>cancer and trade war stories of the grueling trip to NY and shave the
>band members' heads and tell sick jokes.
Now I really wish I was coming. This sounds just like the live
version of IRC! (sobs while reaching for a box of Kleenex)
Make sure that while ridiculing me you say "eh" frequently. Oh
remember to scoff at all the US beers too. :)
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:00:05 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
>Just send me email. A veteran of one previous Ytsecon, I know how
>much fun it can be to hang with fellow Jammers. We really ARE some of
>the coolest folks around. :)
Yeah! Except for Skabz. He's all crusty and coagulated
and...Oh shit!
All this time I thought it was a "b"!
My apologies Ska"d"z. ;)
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 10:08:31 -0500
>From: svjohnson@amoco.com
> What DT song would you have played at your funeral and why?
How about Learning to Live if you were catatonic and
accidentally buried alive, or The Killing Hand if you were my
executioner and decided to attend the service. ;)
I would probably go for The Silent Man. Dead people don't talk
much. Except Elvis. That guy gives more speeches than Tony Robbins! :)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:02:33 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: album releases early next year
Message-ID: <32424F99.49FE@mo.net>
>It's (new FW) not coming out till 1997, sometime early, like... hmmm... >Jan, Feb?
Man, there's another one. Okay, so DT, FW, and U2 aren't coming out
until early next year. Gonna be a good year for the old CD collection,
it seems.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 09:16 DFT
From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: King Crimson no DTC !
Message-ID: <m0v3zoz-0002ffC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi guys!
I have a question about KC.
Where do I start?
I've just heard some songs from Poseidon, and I like those, but I've also
heard that Red is supposed to be the "best" start. Or what is your opinion?
I've just found a CD-dealer that sells "all" of them for $10.
Please, send me a Email, preferably direct to me:
henrik@thn.htu.se
since it's no DT-topic,
and also because I'm ten days behind readind ytsejams.
Thanks a lot!
Best LP of the week.
----====-------------
Scorpions Lonesome Crow -72
one of my most innovative vinyls
You're NOT allowed to flame me, if you don't have it!
Henrik Gustafsson
Qualitydeployer
henrik@thn.htu.se +46 (0)520 47 50 49 (fax +46 520 47 50 98)
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:29:32 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stick mailing list
Message-ID: <v03007801ae67f7087d0b@[128.178.99.94]>
Hi,
Since there's been some stick-talk recently, I thought I'd throw this in...
For all you stick-freaks, there's a mailing list called STICKWIRE that
produces 1-2 digests a day.
I don't remember the address, but you can find it by sending a message like:
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To: lomml@arastar.com
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
Subject: lomml
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:
gimme
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Where obviously in From you put your e-mail address
gimme is in the body
the subject is LOMML (they are ls, not Is :))
You'll be sent a huge list of mailing lists, among which STICKWIRE
Cheers,
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"Holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
"I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)
"Life's a bitch?; so fuck it!!" (dk)
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 08:23:38 +0000
From: Tim Spear <Veilmaya@dircon.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1850
Message-ID: <199609200725.AA20509@felix.dircon.co.uk>
>>Are there any other Jammers arriving from out-of-town well before the
>>Con and leaving well after? I'm arriving on Thursday and leaving
how does london, england sound? Is that out of town?
:-)
Im going to be arriving in NJ on friday and staying till tuesday..
I'm well up for hanging in new york, esp on sunday....
if anyones offering lifts from NJ???
Tim Spear
-- Veilmaya@dircon.co.uk -- http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~veilmaya/ --
Official Homepage for C://OLLAPSE
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 08:26:28 +0000
From: Tim Spear <Veilmaya@dircon.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LATM was SOLD OUT!
Message-ID: <199609200727.AA20552@felix.dircon.co.uk>
>Yes!!! this rules (thanks abunch dale) KJ does a real good job on it,
>except before pmu when he yells "let me hear you london!!!" I don't know
>if there were enough people in the place to constitute "London" The liner
>notes are funny too. I'm off to look up lemur voice and mad sword on the
>net.
the show was sold out.. the marquee can only hold 600 people (or at least
it could... Its closed down now to become a pub)..
Tim Spear
-- Veilmaya@dircon.co.uk -- http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~veilmaya/ --
Official Homepage for C://OLLAPSE
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:35:04 -0700
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Old Helloween Drummer
Message-ID: <32433838.428E@connexus.apana.org.au>
..was told that he committed suicide.
Eddy M
Melbourne, Australia
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:41:10 -0700
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NICKELBAG Info
Message-ID: <324339A6.49CE@connexus.apana.org.au>
Yet to hear but can tell you a little about some of the musos.
Bernard Fowler/vocals - tours as back up singer for the Rolling Stones
Stevie Salas/guitar & vocals - absolute legend ! Has done about 1/2 dozen
solo albums with the bulk only available in Japan. Has also worked with
Canadian female vocalist Sass Jordan as well as bass master TM Stevens.
Get funky
Eddy M
Melb, Aust
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 11:02:27 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: When is a band not a band?
Message-ID: <9609200902.AA00270@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
All this stuff about the various line-ups of Yes (see past Jams) got my little
ol' brain working, and I came up with the following question: when is a band
not a band?
Can any of you out there think of a band that still exists although none of
the original members are in the current line-up? The closest I managed to get
was Black Sabbath, with Mr. Iommi being the last of the originals. Can anybody
help me out with this one?
On to other things. A helpful fellow Jammer (hi Dave) recently dubbed Sieges
Even for me. This band blew me away. Almost always heavy, strong progressive and
jazz influences, excellent guitar work, really wierd song structures (more
chops and breaks than in a karate school). In some ways it reminds me of the
early stuff by UK. If you like challenging complex music, then get this. And
for those worried about musicians not getting royalties because of dubbing,
I went out and bought the album yesterday (interesting cover too, you'd almost
expect alternative or grunge inside). Germany can be proud - Superior, Vanden
Plas and Sieges Even - go Krauts!
Does anybody else listen to Samael? I've got the last album Passage, and I'd
appreciate recommendations about what else to buy. Incidentaly, Passage shows
that drum machines can be good - the double bass stuff is arse kicking good,
and the machine certainly outplays Phil Collins!
So, the abbreviations are listed in the FAQ. What's the FAQ? (warning: attempted
humuor)
Some new releases that I'm looking forward to: Anathema, Theatre of Tragedy,
My Dying Bride, oh yes, and that prog/hair band from Long Island.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: The Garden Of Delight - Necromanteion IV
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:49:53 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Timo Haanpaa <tijuha@utu.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attention all Finnish 'jammers!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.93.960920123328.15769A-100000@sol.utu.fi>
The following message is in Finnish. If you don't understand
it, then... tough luck, because it's a good offer. :-)
==== Cut here ====
HUOMIO SUOMALAASET JAMMARIT!
Elamanne tilaisuus on tassa. :-) Eli tarjolla olisi kaksi kappaletta
Mike Bahrin Antiquities CD:ta. Molemmat on alkuperaisia, herra Bahrin
itsensa kasin numeroimia lapyskoja. Kyseessa on siis aarimmaisen
harvinainen kokoelma harvinaisia raitoja. Mukana mm. Derek Sherinianin
syntikkasooloilua, A Change of Seasonsin alkuperainen versio, Don't
Look Past Me, ja niin poispain. Jostain varmasti loytyy joku Web-
sivu, josta loytyy tarkempaa infoa. (Sita voin itsekin mailata, jos
sita joku kaipaa.) Hintaa yhdella CD:lla on sata markkaa + postikulut..
LUIT OIKEIN! 100 mk + postikulut!!! Hinta on kutakuinkin sama, mita
olen niista itse maksanut (tullit & verot on maksettu). Voin lahettaa
kopion kuitista, jos pelkaat osallistuvasi laittomuuksiin. :-) Mutta
kiiretta pitaa, jos haluat omasi. Sahkopostiosoitteeni on tijuha@utu.fi.
==== Cut here ====
Take care everyone.
Timo
--
http://www.utu.fi/~tijuha/ Let the light surround you!
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:36:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Slaughter's last album
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609200633.A111866-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>
>I was a little ummmm...unsure about Mark Slaughter...he did
>well...maybe it was just weird hearing that voice again after all these
>years since the last Slaughter album. :)
It's been less than two years since the last Slaughter album.
Fear No Evil was released in the spring of 1995.
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:20 +0000
From: "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1850
Message-ID: <199609201051.KAA16590@poindexter.wirehub.nl>
> From: ytsejam@ax.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1850
> What ever happened to FW's new album? Anyone know when it's going to be
> eleased. I'm interested to hear an album that consists completely of one long
> song...
>
I checked with Metal Blade (MtlBlde@aol.com), and they said the album
hasn't been recorded yet. So add another 6 months or so. Maybe the
new Fates album will be released around the same time as DT's, and
maybe they can tour again together.
Hi Collapse ! Can't wait till I get your demo
Hi Malone !
See ya,
Aurora
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 07:10:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: maddy@enteract.com (Margaret Pluta)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDTC...Scam?
Message-ID: <199609201210.HAA04349@enteract.com>
Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I thought a little input here might stop a LOT
of input later...
Lexis-Nexus is a rather famous and well-established company which does
information searches on people for lawyers, etc. It's mostly used for
checking on people when they are buying or selling a business. It checks for
bankruptcy records, divorces (if your ex-spouse owns part of a business
you're selling, they have to check the property settlement agreement to make
sure he/she gets the percentage they're due) aliases, UCC checks (Universal
Commercial Code, I think), etc. Nothing terribly sinister. I've looked thru
Lexis documents before and unless you're looking for court records or
something, it's nothing big.
Sort of like someone saying "Wow, if you pay some agency money, you can hire
a detective and get lots of info on someone!!!"
My $0.02...plus shipping & handling,
Maddy
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:24:29 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: FW: Potential for Credit Fraud - Scary (fwd)
>Message-ID: <199609200424.XAA19156@zoom.bga.com>
>
>Hey people,
>
> Pardon the post, but I think this warents some attention.
>Especially if you value your privacy.
>
>Erik Stearns
>stearns@bga.com
>
>
>> Subject: Potential for Credit Fraud - Scary
>> Date: Thursday, September 19, 1996 4:30PM
>>
>> FYI, Be carefull. Not only is Big Brother watching...so is everyone else.
>>
>> >Your name, social security number, current address, previous
>> >addresses, mother's maiden name, birth date and your listed phone
>> >numbers are now available to anyone with a credit card through a
>> >new Lexicons database called P-Trax. As I am sure you are aware,
>> >this information could be used to commit credit card fraud or
>> >otherwise allow someone else to use your identity.
>>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:50:19 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: promised land
Message-ID: <199609201315.QAA13665@pepe.online.ee>
> The track ends as the cd counter says 7:57 (counting the "nature
>walk"). In other words, it doesn't get to eight minutes. Look at the
>cd counter yourself. I don't know why it says 8:25 on the back.
basically, in music, 7.57 stands for 8 minutes, for me at least. we
are not talking about track-and-field here.
but who gives a monkey's ass about song lengths anyway? i remember a
huge thread about it.
>>>ever heard *x*? this one is quite long.
>>no, *y* is a bit longer, it runs over 21.12
>can't happen. *z* kicks ass cuz it's longer than those two
to paraphrase the sheriff of rottingham from 'men in tights', "it's
not the length that counts, it's how you write it."
just to test/activate the mailer and annoy you. :-)
one question to those whose native tongue is english. i've always
known that [insert subject here] requires a definite article, i.e.
"the promised land". why is it that geoff doesn't use it?
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:14:21 -0400
From: wsacb0!sbacb0@MCI.Com (Andrew C. Barnaby)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Question about WB address...
Message-ID: <9609201314.AA10372@wsacb0.com.>
I've been reading the Jam for a few months now, and I just thought I'd take
a second and finally introduce myself. I've been listening to DT since IAW
first came out and JP totally destroyed me with his sound and technique! I've
been playing guitar for about 7 years now, and he still blows me away every
time I listen to him!
Anyway, this brings up the question I had. I tried to send mail to the
Warner Bros. address on the DT homepage so I could pick up the "Awake" tab
book, and I got the letter returned. Is this the only place you guys have
seen DT's music books around?? I'm dying to get my hands on one!
A warm hello to all Atlanta Jammers out there!
Andy
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Andrew C. Barnaby
Database Administrator / Sybase 11.0.2, Sybase IQ 11.0.3
MCI Mass Markets / Atlanta, GA
Work: (770) 390-5181 / Home: (770) 642-0834
Email: ABarnaby@mcimail.com / Andy.Barnaby@mci.com / barn4418@cs.fredonia.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lyrics of TFE
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960920092326.28711A-100000@bdmserver>
I see a lot of people complaining about the lyrics on TFE by Rush. I
can't believe people are comlaining about them. I was the only one who
complained about the lyrics on Ear Candy by King's X. Almost every song
on EC has the chorus for the song said over and over and over again. I
can see complaining about the lyrics on EC but TFE doesn't come close to
the boring lyrics on EC.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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| Hail to the Redskins 2-1 * Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!! |
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:34:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Runde <darwin@monolith.bcl.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Tree
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609200810.A17732-0100000@monolith>
I have the first couple branches of the DT tree made out. I was going to
work on it this weekend, but due to a death in the family, it is going to
get delayed until early next week. I have contacted those people on the
first branch to send me there DAT's for cloning, and the second branch to
work out shipping/dubbing arrangemnts with their parents. Once I get the
tree structure finished, I will send it out to everyone. Sorry for the
delay.
Jay
darwin@bcl.net
http://www.bcl.net/~darwin
Team Internet 96: http://www.netjammer.com/TI/
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:09:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: big Brother P-Trax
Message-ID: <199609201409.JAA09004@psa.pencom.com>
Whoah! Hold the phone! Someone posted about the big bad P-Trax system
knowing a lot of personal stuff about you. This thread circulated around
my company and we did a little digging.
The makers of P-Trax does have this nation-wide database thing. It is
supposed to help lawyers and law enforcement officials identify things
about you. It does not contain credit card numbers, personal habits,
mother's maiden name. What it does contain is stuff like your name (or
names), your past two addresses and in some cases, your phone number. At
one point in time, it did have your SS number but so many people bitched
about it that the P-Trax people had it removed. Now, if they won't allow
stuff like SS numbers, do you think they'd have something like credit
cards and credit histories?
Another thing is that you know all of those credit card companies who
send you pre-approved card applications? Well, hate to say it but they
have more access to your private credit history than P-Trax.
Also too, P-Trax is very expensive to subscribe to in order to use their
database. Not many crooks (OK some define lawyers as crooks. :D ) can
afford their services and for the most part, their services contain info
that anyone could dig up provided they have enough time. What these
people are paying for is the convience of having that infomation at their
fingertips.
Most of this hysteria has been generated on the Internet by a few
misinformed individuals. P-Trax does have a website (search for them on
something like AltaVista). From what I understand, they put an
explaination there. They didn't publicly flood the newsgroups with the
explaination because it was too much ground for them to cover. They
figured that people would visit their webpage to find out how to contact
them (to have their names removed) and would read the explaination there.
I do not work for P-Trax nor does my company retain them as a client.
Johnny Motown
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