YTSEJAM Digest 1851
Today's Topics:
1) Re: An example for some to follow!
by Purplerx7@aol.com
2) Re: Tori Amos - NDTC
by Purplerx7@aol.com
3)
by Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
4) acronyms again
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
5) latm
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
6) stuff
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
7) divide by zero
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
8) Re: Fates Warning
by drkhoe@squirm.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) working man cd
by "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
10) Re: NDTC - YES (again)
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
11) Re: Mad Sword
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
12) length of "Promised Land" (again)
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
13) FW: Potential for Credit Fraud - Scary (fwd)
by Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
14) Things
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
15) Journey and the 311 Newsgroup Idiot, vol 1.
by Averon DoomHammer <hed@northnet.org>
16) helloween drummer (NDTC)
by mike olekshy <mmo@direct.ca>
17) Re: working man cd
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
18) ANY AUSSIE'S OUT THERE?
by "LUKE J. BATEUP '1042724'" <s1042724@iplabs.ins.gu.edu.au>
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:39:32 -0400
From: Purplerx7@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: An example for some to follow!
Message-ID: <960919203931_288824882@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Spa:ter-
>>Just Let Me Breathe (5:15) Lyrics by: Mike Portnoy
> I see here another song which I've not heard yet.
This song is from upcoming new DT album!!
> Where can I obtain "When Dream and Today Unite"? I WANNA COPY!
I got my tape (promotional use only, not for resale : - > ) at some local
used tape place, and I got my CD at Best Buy, they have some random inport
stuff in sometimes too.
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:39:36 -0400
From: Purplerx7@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tori Amos - NDTC
Message-ID: <960919203936_288824930@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Jammers:
<< what can I say you guys
got me into Shadow Gallery and I absolutely love that band...of course
enough of you raved about Magellan for me to waste some money, but ah, I
forgive you...8^).
>>
Who else has this same taste? I know that I certainly do and I am looking
for some bands that are in the same area. All you guys love DT but it seems
that people get subdivided (ha) into groups when it comes to other prog/metal
bands. Any of these fit into the closer to SG than Magellan or Marillon
(yuck)? Fates Warning, Clockwork, King's X, and Crimson Glory? Anyone,
anyone??
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:46:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199609200046.TAA25217@spinner.gac.edu>
Jammers,
I have been gone the whole summer and came back for the school year.
All I can say is Dividing by zero--is this great bandwidth? (FLAMES)
everyone who is in question--here is the solution once and for all--go ask
a math (or physics) Prof. or teacher, "What is the definition of dividing
by zero?" And you will get an answer.
Take it from someone who is doing a lot of math and physics: Dividing by
zero is undefined. Try to do it on a TI-85 and you will see that you get
an error. For those who are saying infinity, then you are answering a new
question. You are taking the LIMIT of a number as it goes to zero which
is infinity. However, dividing by zero and taking the limit of a number
are two completely different things.
However, don't take my word for it if you don't believe me--go and ask a
teacher or something, or better yet--TAKE A CALCULUS CLASS--then you will
find out what a limit is.
Sorry to talk so much about something I said isn't boring, but I am
getting tired of seeing this and people getting dividing by zero and
limits screwed up. End it--GO ASK SOMEONE!!!!
Thank You,
Ryan Benedict
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 03:54:17 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: acronyms again
Message-ID: <199609200048.DAA12735@pepe.online.ee>
>to type out long-ass names every time (which also wastes bandwidth).
>If you are unsure of what an acronym on the list stands for, there is
>a list of the most common ones listed in the FAQ.
the faq is there indeed, but, metaphorically speaking, i don't have
to have a dictionary with me when i read newspapers. also,
considering the text-only jam only a MINOR bandwidth abuser, i think
that the point you tried to make is just not there.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:47:05 -0600
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: latm
Message-ID: <m0v3trZ-000RHCC@mis01.micron.net>
Yes!!! this rules (thanks abunch dale) KJ does a real good job on it,
except before pmu when he yells "let me hear you london!!!" I don't know
if there were enough people in the place to constitute "London" The liner
notes are funny too. I'm off to look up lemur voice and mad sword on the
net.
Craig Wuthrich
Your money's on the way dale.
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:56:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <199609200056.UAA16139@beasley.cris.com>
>From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
>Subject: Imaginary Numbers
>
>Hmmm....and I studied History and Sociology in school. This is my fault, I
>guess, since I called my message "Division By Zero"....actually came up
>because I had a conversation with a friend and we both thought it would be
>an appropriate name for a college band.
Hey, that *is* kind of cool, but do ya think the name "Divide By Zero" flows
a little better? Just a thought.
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>From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
>Subject: Hair loss.
>
>>Shedding? You're so silly. <ahem> We musical-types coined the term "shed"
>>(not to be confused with "shred")
>
>Really? My bad. I thought it was a typo of shred. :) BTW....were you
>implying by "we musical types" that I'm not a musical type?
Oh, good point. I used the wrong phrase there. I suppose I should have said
"we musicians", since the term "shed" is used mainly by musicians (or at
least the ones I've run into).
Tah dah.
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\***************** Richard S. Audet ********************/
/****************** ytse@cris.com ********************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ******/
/********* University of Florida ********\
\****** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ******/
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 04:25:41 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: divide by zero
Message-ID: <199609200119.EAA13144@pepe.online.ee>
>Try approximation !!! Let's say you're not dividing by zero, but by
>something that approximates zero, for instance
>0.0000000000000000000001 ! The more "zero's" you add, the bigger the
>result gets... Now, imagine dividing by an infinately small number
>(zero). The result *will* be infinity !!! Ok, I also think 0/0 should
>be *one*... A/A = 1/1 <-- A=0 Nevermind...
try to reverse the situation.
x / 0 = infinity
infinity * 0 = x
doesn't sound right? it isn't.
lim x
--- = infinity
n->0 n
looks kinda lame in ascii, but is closer to the truth. the definition
says that "dividing by zero results in indefinity".
by the way, zero is not an infinitely small number. they draw a
definite line between numbers being *almost* zero and zero itself.
(just as numbers you ever studied all that limes stuff? the n value
in the equation above can be as close to zero as it gets, but it can
never be zero.
i am not that wise myself, i asked a friend of mine who's studied
math seemingly forever. :-)
just to clear it up.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 18:43:54 -0800
From: drkhoe@squirm.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <199603010243.SAA12123@squirm.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Andrew Keith Garinger" said:
> What ever happened to FW's new album? Anyone know when it's going to be
>eleased. I'm interested to hear an album that consists completely of one long
>song...
>
It's not coming out till 1997, sometime early, like... hmmm... Jan, Feb?
Who knows...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% *$%&%#$* Global Micro Solutions #$#$#@@# *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:42:53 -0700 From: "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: working man cd Message-ID: <324220CD.59BC@concentric.net>
Ok. I just got the "Working Man" cd in the mail from CDNOW! The biggest problem I have with it is...who is this Mike Baker guy? My personal opinion is that he butchered "The Trees"..and I LOVE that tune! I was a little ummmm...unsure about Mark Slaughter...he did well...maybe it was just weird hearing that voice again after all these years since the last Slaughter album. :) Also...who is Devin Townsend? Jammin' voice he's got! And last...who is Gregoor van der loo?
Rick Bond
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:17:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: NDTC - YES (again) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960919222024.208f45aa@access.mountain.net>
At 03:05 PM 9/18/96 -0700, Itchy wrote: >"Union" is actually a "11 x ABWH + 4 x YES" album...
Actually, from what I've heard, _Union_ is actually more 11 ABWH + 4 Trevor Rabin solo cuts.
Could be wrong, tho'.
Jonathan Byrne, 1L West Virginia University College of Law rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Meet me in the valley of shadows, find me in my dust Save me from 100 diversions, pull me from my rut." -Brett Kull, "100 Diversions", echolyn
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 21:08:51 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mad Sword Message-ID: <9609200408.AA00356@tengs1>
Great, this has piqued my interest and their @#$@! homepage is down. Bastards.
Anyone actually heard this stuff?
Zach
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: length of "Promised Land" (again) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609200041.D138642-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>
>About Queensryche: Promised Land as an album might not be in the same >class as O:M and Empire (for me anyway), but I think the title track might >be the best song they've ever created......it gets to 8 minutes long by >counting the nature walk at the end, btw.... The track ends as the cd counter says 7:57 (counting the "nature walk"). In other words, it doesn't get to eight minutes. Look at the cd counter yourself. I don't know why it says 8:25 on the back.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
"Art is the technology of the soul." Ayn Rand
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:24:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW: Potential for Credit Fraud - Scary (fwd) Message-ID: <199609200424.XAA19156@zoom.bga.com>
Hey people,
Pardon the post, but I think this warents some attention. Especially if you value your privacy.
Erik Stearns stearns@bga.com
Forwarded message: > From StearnsE@dbisna.com Thu Sep 19 16:43:21 1996 > From: "Stearns, Erik" <StearnsE@dbisna.com> > To: "'Erik'" <stearns@bga.com> > Subject: FW: Potential for Credit Fraud - Scary > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 16:44:00 PDT > Message-Id: <3241E73D@msipgw1.us.dbisna.com> > Encoding: 66 TEXT > X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > > > > ---------- > From: Ronay, Scott > To: Auch, Michael; Blakeley, Damon; Christiansen, Jim; Daniel, Adeola; > Dunda, Darren; Ellis, Elzie; Farabee, Mathew; Grana, Reverie; Gronquist, > Brian; Henry, Brent; Hewett, Robert; Hollingsworth, Bryan; Horton, Michael; > Huang, Linda; Kaaki, Mounzer; Klein, Gregory; Lartigue, Bruno; Maritz, > Jeremy; McCollum, Scott; Medley, D.R.; Mickan, Ronnie; Nayak, Vandana; > Paintal, Amrita; Pascoe, Wes; Patterson, Royce (Austin); Rose, Mark > (Austin); Shishido, Roy; Simmons Jr., Dick; Stearns, Erik; Wallace, Ralph; > Yamazi, Brett; Yerington, Matthew > Subject: Potential for Credit Fraud - Scary > Date: Thursday, September 19, 1996 4:30PM > > FYI, Be carefull. Not only is Big Brother watching...so is everyone else. > > >Your name, social security number, current address, previous > >addresses, mother's maiden name, birth date and your listed phone > >numbers are now available to anyone with a credit card through a > >new Lexicons database called P-Trax. As I am sure you are aware, > >this information could be used to commit credit card fraud or > >otherwise allow someone else to use your identity. > > > >You can have your name and information removed from this list by > >making a telephone request. Call (800)543-6862, select option 4 > >and then option 4 ("all other questions") and tell the > >representative answering that you wish to remove your name from > >the P-trax database. You may also send a fax to (513) 865-1930, > >or physical mail to LEXIS-NEXIS / P.O. Box 933 / Dayton, Ohio > >45401-0933. Sending physical mail to confirm your name has been > >removed is always a good idea. > > > >As word of the existence of this database has spread on the net, > >Lexis- Nexis has been inundated with calls, and has set up a > >special set of operators to handle the volume. In addition, > >Andrew Bleh (rhymes with "Play") is a manager responsible for this > >product, and is the person to whom complaints about the service > >could be directed. He can be reached at the above 800 number. > >Ask for extension 3385. According to Lexis, the manager > >responsible is Bill Fister at extension 1364. > > > >I called this morning and had my name removed. The representative > >will need your name and social security number to remove you from > >the list. I suggest that we inundate these people with requests to > >remove our info from the list and forward this e-mail to everyone > >we know." > > > >I just called P-Trax and waited on hold for several lifetimes. Apparently > >everybody and their brother wants to get out of this database. Finally, I > >was transferred to a recording that gave this information about getting > >out: > > > >Fax your name and adress to P-Trax at (513) 865-1930 and ask to be removed > >from the database. > > > >or you can mail the same info to P-Trax, P.O. Box 933, Dayton, Ohio 45401. > > > > Also, if this scares you, as indeed it should, check out > www.lycos.com > >on the Web and click on PeopleFind. You will search and find your name, > >address, telephone and when you click on the "Atlas" feature, will indeed > >see a map with the precise location of your home. Be afraid, be very > >afraid. I hope this clarifies a few things for you. > > >
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Things Message-ID: <199609200432.VAA12030@pawn.ax.com>
As I have not posted in a while I felt the need to ask some questions.
1) What time does the ytsecon start?
2) Who is going from Long Island?
3) If the Yankees are playing that day, can we get a T.V. in there?
4) Where has everyone been on IRC the last few nights?
5) Does any drummer besides me feel that Neil Peart's sound has changed quite a bit on Test for Echo?
P.S. 232 days till the big day! Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:06:21 -0700 From: Averon DoomHammer <hed@northnet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Journey and the 311 Newsgroup Idiot, vol 1. Message-ID: <3242264D.6D60@northnet.org>
Hey! Did you guy's hear that Journey has a new album out? Holy BeGeezus! And this:
>I mean cmon, >Dream Theater? When's the last time you heard something from them?
Is pathetic. What the hell? One of my coworkers said that Blootie and The Catfish were better that DT because "They sold more albums and made a ton more money" Excuse me! When did the quality of a band and the music that they made have to do with how much airplay they got on eMpTyV? When's the last time I heard something from DT? About a minute ago. "Light The Fuse and Get Away", which describes what's going to happen right before that wienie's house explodes if I hear any more mindless ranting. 311. Ha! One hit wonders of the 90's. He talks about music first, and then goes on to trash one of the most musical bands around. Idiot. A friggin idiot. OK, I'll stop now!:)
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:22:28 -0700 From: mike olekshy <mmo@direct.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: helloween drummer (NDTC) Message-ID: <96Sep19.222230-0700pdt.269878-3259+279@aphex.direct.ca>
Hey all
Ive seen some people post about Helloween before, so i thought id throw this question out to any of you "in the know" On the liner notes of "The Time of the Oath", they dedicate it to their former drummer from 2 albums ago. Does anyone know what happened to him? Did he die? Just Curious
thanks in advance
mmo
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: working man cd Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960920011720.23476A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Gregoor Van Der Loo is in Lemur Voice.
----------------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..there's no purpose in saying you're sorry when you did what you thought was right. you can always learn to accept new ideas if you risk your hypothetical pride. i'm not looking to change the world (pushing politics is not my concern). i just have a wish to improve myself. i've realised there's so much to learn - to act - to think - for myself - with no regrets - and to find what is real." - vision.
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Richard A. Bond, Jr. wrote:
> Ok. I just got the "Working Man" cd in the mail from CDNOW! The > biggest problem I have with it is...who is this Mike Baker guy? My > personal opinion is that he butchered "The Trees"..and I LOVE that > tune! I was a little ummmm...unsure about Mark Slaughter...he did > well...maybe it was just weird hearing that voice again after all these > years since the last Slaughter album. :) Also...who is Devin > Townsend? Jammin' voice he's got! And last...who is Gregoor van der > loo? > > Rick Bond >
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:16:42 GMT+1000 From: "LUKE J. BATEUP '1042724'" <s1042724@iplabs.ins.gu.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ANY AUSSIE'S OUT THERE? Message-ID: <14FBFFA6179@iplabs.ins.gu.edu.au>
Having only just subscribed to YTSEJAM, I firstly need to know if their are any other Australian DT fans already part of this list. Basically if you are reading this message and off a computer screen that's located somewhere in the continent of Australia, then let me know. I don't know of any DT fans in my local area (Gold Coast, about 100km's south of Brisbane, QLD). I know there are other DT fans in Australia, who else is responsible for the DT CD's disappearing from my local record store ? Aussie DT fans; let me know at.....s1042724@iplabs.ins.gu.edu.au
Next, for all YTSEJAMMERS out there, as you know I'm from Australia and as far as I know, one of only a handful who know of and appreciate DT's music (even though I've only known of them for about 6 months) Why they are somewhat totally unheard of to the majority of the Aus. population is a mystery. Up until now I have just passed it off as the fact that their music complexity and undeniable skill, blah, blah, blah...(you've heard it all before) cannot be tolerated by the music crowds whom are responsible for the swamping of the dance/techno and alernative/grunge groups all over the commercial music scene.
But now I think that if given a chance, DT could really take off here in Aus., recieving support from ALL types of listeners. I truly feel that DT's music stands head and shoulders above "what's popular" these days. My question to you, well it's more of a plee, is to help me on my mission to expose DT to Australia, give me inspiration and ideas that will allow me to well and truly establish DT's presence here in Australia. All people whom I have given DT demonstrations to have been exceptionally impressed with them. Convincing people of their talent shouldn't be to hard, exposing it will be. They NEVER get any airplay over here (not since I've been listening to them), and radio DJ's taking requests don't usually have any of their music. Apart from driving around screaming promotional propaganda from my car window (which I have done on occasions) I can't think of what else to do. People don't need it thrust in their face, they need to hear it for themselves and develop their own liking for DT's music (they WILL LIKE IT!) In your most humble YTSE-opinions, what songs do you feel would initiate their success in an "un-DT-exposed" environment.
I you can think of anything to I could possibly do within or outside the confinements of the law, then let me know
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