YTSEJAM Digest 1863
Today's Topics:
1) Hello!
by "Ibanez" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
2) Shred Guitar - Michael Angelo
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1861
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
4) Styx remembered
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
5) Visual music
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
6) what song is it
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
7) Re: Hello!
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) A few QR comments
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
9) Didn't mean to start a flame war here<smile>......
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@access.usa.net>
10) mindcrimer
by WildKoba@aol.com
11) Visual Music
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
12) Speaking of Queensryche...
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) What's this mainstream crap?
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) I'm back.
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
15) skadz n the archives
by jazzmin@pop1.backbone.ou.edu
16) Echolyn/disco/Visual music
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1862
by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1861
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:55:50 +0000
From: "Ibanez" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hello!
Message-ID: <199609230449.WAA20714@cyberhighway.net>
Well, I can finally say I'm back. It's been two long years since
I've been able to be on the ytsejam. Hello, again!
Guess what?
I've completed a Wait for Sleep midi file! Anyone who wants it
E-mail me personally. I haven't got a sig file, so here's my address.
It's not the greatest but, hey, it's Dream Theater nonetheless!
Chuck Reis
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 1:10:18 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shred Guitar - Michael Angelo
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+acVFmA@tcx.tcco.com>
Speaking of ridiculously fast guitar players... Did anyone ever get a chance
to hear/see a guy named Michael Angelo (nice name). He had a band called
Nitro. I saw him one night and his vocalist (Jim Gillette - he advertizes in
the mags for voice lessons) shattered glasses with his singing. It was cool
to see it once, but then he proceeded to try on other ones...boring! Well,
without a doubt Michael Angelo was the faster guitarists I've ever r seen. As
boring as he was, he had his gimmicks - double-neck shaped in a "V" which he
played by hammering both necks at the same time. He also did an "over and
under" the neck run at breakneck speed without missing a beat. All this
didn't stop the place from emptying out though...about 30 minutes into his
set.
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:14:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1861
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.960922235938.28160B-100000@enteract.com>
Vinnie Moore has an album out after Meltdown. It's on Shrapnel I believe.
I wasn't too impressed... I like his first two more than the latest two.
To the gentleman who replied about MC not corrupting anyone or trying to
change someone's sound: Have you ever heard of Mike Varney? He owns
Shrapnel Records. He forced a bunch of guitarists to sound the same
because he knew he could sell albums of guitarists would shred in the
80's. He partially owns MC as well. I have no confirmation on whether or
not he's controlling what pumps out of MC the way he does Shrapnel (he
will literally send you your tape back at Shrapnel and tell you which
licks he wants removed and what he would like to hear in their place) but
I've recently been talking to Bill Berends of Mastermind, the first band
ever to sign (as well as the first band to leave) with MC. He says when
his band refused to rewrite things to make Mike and Peter Morticelli (the
other owner) happy, they got in a bunch of arguements which showed MC's
true colors. Varney started out by trying to help players get their
albums out and heard... but he became corrupt. He wanted to play
puppetmaster over the shred guitar movement, and some would even say that
he flooded the market, killing the trend. Now he's involved in the Prog
market... right around the time DT is getting musicians into MUSIC
again... Varney can smell an opportunity a mile away. I am willing to bet
that Altura sounded completely different before MC got to them. Some of
the songs are great... but some parts just don't sound like they were
written in the song. The guitarist doesn't seem comfortable in the
"Metropolis-type" setting. The band is cool, and I really dig it, but I
keep hearing bad things about MC and Varney. Oh well... just thought I'd
share.
P.S. WHY THE FUCK ARE WE POSTING QR NEWSGROUP ARTICLES HERE? We can all
go THERE if we want to see them. I personally don't give a flying rat's
bung wad what Mindcrimer has to say about DT... I care much less to hear a
full jam worth of people on a DT mailing list defend DT against an idiot
who ISN'T EVEN ON THE LIST. That's right... HE WON'T SEE YOUR RESPONSE!
Why not make better use of all of our time? Post about DT... post about
QR... post about whatever... just don't post responses to people who
aren't on the list. Do a little searching... you'll find his address...
you can mail mindcrimer directly. I just don't need to hear everyone
explain why QR is not as good as DT, or why Portnoy is better than
Rockenfield, because it's getting old quick.
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Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C.
Technical Support Engineer
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T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 05:17:41 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Styx remembered
Message-ID: <3246187e.8583898@mail.inforamp.net>
Good evening,
>Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:45:30 -0400
>From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@vastnet.net>
>Hmmmm.....yes.....but again...If you remember John Curelowski instead of
>Tommy Shaw....then you are in a VERY, VERY small percentage....
>plus...I thnk John is dead....
Man! That's a real shame! That boy had some expressive fingers
for his time.
I must really be old. I have all of their early records from
1971 onward. The Serpent is Rising is a little gem that many people
overlook when looking for older material. It even has Monsieur Panozzo
playing a Ricky 4001 that has a touch of that Geddy tone. :)
There's some interesting progressive arrangements on this
record too.
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 01:18:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Visual music
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609230118.I2661-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
> Subject: Buttcrimer
>
> Since it's the first one, I'll give a hint....it IS a DT song, and this
> particular part is at the beginning of the song. Have fun. :)
Easy. LSoaD. Every bassist on this list better know it, too. :)
Ahh, the return of visual music. Before you know it, the leaves will be
turning, we'll be watching the World Series, and Bafu Vai will occupy the
end of each digest.
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:07:34 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: what song is it
Message-ID: <199609230517.IAA08194@pepe.online.ee>
>Since it's the first one, I'll give a hint....it IS a DT song, and
>this particular part is at the beginning of the song. Have fun. :)
methinks about "lifting shadows off a dream". am i right or am i
right?
raitz
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 01:20:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Ibanez <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
Subject: Re: Hello!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960923012004.7544A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
hey, guy.
you're no longer ibanez. we already have another one.
THE JAM JUST ISN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR 2 IBANEZES@!
WHO IS THE REAL IBANEZ?
WILL THE REAL IBANEZ +please+ STAND UP?
thanks. :)
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Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant
syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..there's no purpose in saying you're sorry when you did what
you thought was right. you can always learn to accept new ideas if you
risk your hypothetical pride. i'm not looking to change the world
(pushing politics is not my concern). i just have a wish to improve
myself. i've realised there's so much to learn - to act - to think - for
myself - with no regrets - and to find what is real."
- vision.
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:21:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A few QR comments
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960923000645.3576A-100000@comp.uark.edu>
> Well one things for certain Queensryche haven't put out a decent album
> since Operation Mindcrime which was exceptional as were most of their
> stuff up to that point. I can't see how this dick can critique DT's
> music when the band he's into lost it years ago.
Let's not make a blanket statement about QR 'selling' out here. True,
their music has become more accessible, but I think some of that is due to
maturity. I see the change from Warning/Rage to Empire/PL as something
similar to what DT went through between WDADU to Awake. You can't just
say that the new stuff isn't 'decent' because it shifts musically a bit.
> As a jammer stated here a few months ago: Compared to a few years ago
> Geoff Tate can't cut it live like he used to and that James Labrie is
> the heir apparent for Geoff Tate if you want a great live vocal
> performance.
Hmm... based on the live material I've seen from the two bands and the
shows I saw while they were on the Awake and Promised Land tours... Geoff
Tate is still *the* vocal king. James impressed me immensely at the DT
show I attended... unlike most of the live material I have seen/heard, he
was pretty much on target the whole night. But Geoff Tate is pretty much
flawless every night, or at least on every occasion that I've heard.
I think we (the Ytsejam) tend to ignore a lot of good vocalists and just
jump to the conclusion that James LaBrie is the only decent vocalist in
the world. The boy is most definitely good and is up there with the best
of them, but there are others that deserve some recognition. Guys like
Sebastian Bach, Ray Alder, and Zak Stevens jump to mind.
> The other thing I don't understand is why when musicans get a little
> older why is it that they 1. Cut their hair 2. Wimp out 3. Get more
> commercial? Some or all of these categories apply to Metallica and
> Queensryche.
Maturity perhaps? Geoff Tate is the only one from QR that I know of that
has cut his hair... and lets face it, long hair *is* more trouble than
short hair (speaking from 8 years experience). Promised Land is hardly
commercial either... and the new Metallica, while more 'alternative' in
sound, is a natural progression and has some emotion in it.
DrX.
P.S. I don't necessarily hold the views expressed in this message, I just
think there are two sides to these issues and both of them are valid to a
point... open-mindedness is necessary, unless you are a mind-reader and
can tell what the musicians are being motivated by.
/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
| I am the way, I am the light... | Ed Reed |
| I am the dark inside the night. | ereed@comp.uark.edu |
| I hear your hopes, I feel your dreams... | ehr@engr.uark.edu |
| And in the dark I hear your screams. | drx@reich.uark.edu |
<=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->
| Don't walk away, just take my hand... | |
| And when you make your final stand... | Savatage -- |
| I'll be right there, I'll never leave... | 'Believe' |
| All I ask of you is Believe. | |
\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/ \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:04:38 +0000
From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@access.usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Didn't mean to start a flame war here<smile>......
Message-ID: <199609230521.XAA14125@mail.usa.net>
All Jammers:
As a jammer said earlier, Mindcrimer isn't on this list anymore. He
was for a short while though, so it will be useless to flame him.
Actually, the only reason I posted this jam was so we can kind of
laugh at what he said. I'm the one who's been writing to him trying
to end the DT vrs QR war on the newsgroup. However, I'm still hoping
I can have a serious discussion with the guy without flaming. My
point is music is so subjective and it's all a matter of
taste...Anyway, we can all change the subject now, I just wanted
everyone to get a good laugh... It's almost if Mindcrimer feels
threatened or something because he just won't let go of this...I've
written him over and over to drop it, but he won't and it does upset
me because he has literally ruined the Queensryche newsgroup....
Anyway, we must move on to better things....Thanx for
listening....Dusty
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 01:31:21 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mindcrimer
Message-ID: <960923013120_291020974@emout10.mail.aol.com>
wow............those were some brilliant comments written by mr. mindcrimer.
someone, PLEASE give me his address.
he ran the gamut in his commentary from sheer insanity, to brilliance. i
actually read that and almost agreed with him (i won't elaborate with which
points, and not just the "petrucci is a great guitarist" comments).
i'd love to talk to him.
someone, bring him to me. thank you.
*****************************************************************david
kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 01:42:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Visual Music
Message-ID: <199609230542.BAA00805@beasley.cris.com>
>Well, here it is. :)
>
> ding ding
> dong ding
> ding
>
>
>
> dee dee
>boo doo boo boo (repeat)
>
>
>Since it's the first one, I'll give a hint....it IS a DT song, and this
>particular part is at the beginning of the song. Have fun. :)
Lifting Shadow Off A Dream. Simple.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\***************** Richard S. Audet ********************/
/****************** ytse@cris.com ********************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ******/
/********* University of Florida ********\
\****** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ******/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 22:53:40 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Speaking of Queensryche...
Message-ID: <9609230553.AA23711@tengs1>
I must've skimmed digest 1861 (are we already approaching 2000?
anyone remembering celebrating 100?) because in 1862 63% of the
posts in this digest had to do with an unnamed QR fan! Interestingly,
two others mentioned QR in other ways, just thought I'd pass that
along :^|>
Business: what is the gerneral opinion on the QR boot of the San Jose
Arena show? I saw it the other day, but I wasn't sure I wanted to
pick it up for quality reasons. It would be nice to hear Take Hold of
the Flame live though. I was coming home from work when that thing
was broadcasting and I drove around the block a few times so I could
catch the end of the show on my car system, it was awesome! I would've
been at that show, too, but I'd been to the two the days before and I
couldn't justify taking two days in a row off for QR. Rush or DT
maybye... Besides, it costs ten f*cking dollars to park at the Arena.
Bastards.
Zach
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:58:50 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What's this mainstream crap?
Message-ID: <199609230552.XAA25946@cyberhighway.net>
> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
> Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com
> From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: A few QR comments
> Let's not make a blanket statement about QR 'selling' out here. True,
What's this crap about selling out? What the hell is wrong with
writing music that people actually >enjoy< listening to? I notice
that alot of people listen to certain types of music just because it
is cool and that's what all of their friends listen to. Then they
believe that they have a reputation to uphold. I.E. My guitarist
is a very good musician. He often helps me write some very inticate
melodies and can attune really well to the music I write
(Queensryche, Dream Theater, Asia type stuff). He also hangs around
with a group of X-ers. He likes DT alot, but his friends don't think
it's cool so he doesn't ever listen to them or else his friends make
fun of him.
This isn't a post flaimg X-ers or anything, I'm just stating a
point. Why can't it just be cool to listen to the music you like? I
get criticized of for alot of the music I listen to, but it doesn't
stop me from listening to it. Sheez! Open your mind or staty out of
other people's business. It's not gonna stop 'em from writing it the
way they want to anyway...
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
<I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out>
< Just Another Sunday Morning >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Chuck Reis
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 03:20:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I'm back.
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960922020625.45760A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Hello all. After a long summer, I'm happy to back among the
ystejammers. A couple of things:
1) I just received the Birch Hill show (ACOS) in the mail and let
me just say that this is awesome!!! Thanks to Ed Polzin for getting me
the tapes. I heard of complaints about this recording when it first
started being circulated on the jam last year, but they are, IMHO,
completely unfounded. Sure, the bass sounds funky, but for an audience
recording I am very impressed. The electric TSM is even more amazing than
I ever imagined, especially when JP and DS trade off during the solo and
when James lets loose on the last chorus. In fact, the whole show is
amazingly executed. The version of "Bad" beats the one on Acoustic Dreams
by a long shot (no offense Mike B.). Hearing "Scarred" live was pretty
cool, though the other songs were executed with greater ease. Hopefully
they'll add it to the set list for the next tour and refine it a bit.
2) I also finally heard Kevin Moore's "Chroma Key" demo. Very
cool. It's a logical extension of "Music Meant To Be Heard." Is it just
me, or does it sound like Kev's been listening to alot of Peter Gabriel?
The songs here are much more polished than those on "Music." My favorite
has got to be "Watercolors." Simply amazing. And his voice is improving too.
3) I also got a copy of James' old band Winter Rose. They're
actually not too bad. Since I'm a huge fan of this kind of stuff, I can
see why the more hard-core jammers think it is cheesy. But there are
really cool moments. James sounds really good and the rest of the band
are actually capable musicians too.
4) Finally, I have a potentially new topic of conversation. If
this has already been brought up over the summer, forgive me. Here it goes:
When DT goes out on the road to support a new album, the
shows end up consisting of mostly new material, allowing only for a
select few from past albums. It happened on the Images tour and it
happened again on the Awake tour. So, the question is: what songs from
I&W and Awake do you think the band is going to include in their new set,
allowing for 70 - 80 percent of new material?
Richie
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 02:22:34 -0500
From: jazzmin@pop1.backbone.ou.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: skadz n the archives
Message-ID: <32463ab861ab002@cliff.ou.edu>
Somewhat sad to say, I have more jams than you.
Should anyone want something that goes back beyond 12xx, email me, I've got it.
Skadz, if ya wanna gimme info on how to format these files for the archives,
email me, I can do unix or dos or strict .txt form, do let me know on the
specifics (line feeds v stripped ascii, y'no).
later
jazz sommers
jazzmin@ou.edu
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 02:30:34 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Echolyn/disco/Visual music
Message-ID: <32464AAA.7B@mo.net>
man, that does suck about Echolyn. I haven't even heard them (I'd
really like to, though. Best Buy carries their album, so maybe I'll
pick it up sometime soon). I mean, as far as the label signing them and
not promoting it anyway, it almost reminds me of how Atlantic treated
King's X. I mean, all sorts of empty promises about prmotion, and when
they don't live up to the promises (the label, that is), and the album
doesn't sell (duh, you don't promote an album, it won't sell. I think
KX got more albums sold by word of mouth than anything else), then both
parties are disillusioned, and things go sour. At least, in KX's case,
the band didn't break up, and the parting of ways with the label was
more of a mutual thing.
>of course "bow chick bow bow" sounds better than prog. :)
That's not disco. Sounds more like porn music to me. :)
<snip a bunch of dings and dee's>
It's got to be Scarred (well, at least the intro section).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:14:32 +0200
From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1862
Message-ID: <199609230812.KAA16032@adeptus.student.hgs.se>
> ding ding
> dong ding
> ding
>
>
>
> dee dee
>boo doo boo boo (repeat)
>
>
>Since it's the first one, I'll give a hint....it IS a DT song, and this
>particular part is at the beginning of the song. Have fun. :)
>
>
>
>Ben Laussade
Uhuh, so now were gonna sing for eachother on the jam, ehhh?? :)
I know the song damnit, it's that ACOSPMUIAWLSOADJGORNVNDI... ;)
Uhhh, another useless post to take a way some bandwidth.... :)
Me outta here,
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
te95mne@student.hgs.se
http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne
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-So you think he's innocent?
-Did I say that?Nah, I mean only that he shoulda been
found not guilty in a court of law. There's a big difference."
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:00:15 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1861
Message-ID: <199609231300.JAA15348@zork.tiac.net>
> actually mindcrimer reminds me of yngwie malmsteen as
>far as attitude goes... he made pretty much the same comments yngwie did in
>his I&W review too... hell, he's probably just a pissed off plagarist with
>nothing better to do than quote YM :)
> ~Rip
>
Actually, Yngwie said even nicer things than Mindcrimer! Yngwie actually
called I&W brilliant, but he didn't like the "choice of beats" by MP. But he
did complement the drumming in Under a Glass Moon.
Adam Cook acook@tiac.net visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard
hat construction area!)
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