YTSEJAM Digest 1854
Today's Topics:
1) of course i meant 1996
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
2) Helloween
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) More about LEXIS-NEXIS and P-Trak and Journey and EOJ
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
4) Re: Helloween
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
5) Hermenutics
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
6) Answers
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
7) RR: YTSEJAM digest 1851
by emsGateway@wichita.fn.net
8) Re: HELP ME
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
9) Slaughter
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
10) Promised Land vs. "The" Promised Land
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
11) Shred Guitar
by Thomas Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
12) dr butcher
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) Shadow Gallery, Mike Baker, and Lie single
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu.edu>
14) Ongoing problems with my Internet Provider.
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
15) gass guitar et al.
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
16) New address
by Robert Carroll <BCarroll@catskill.net>
17) New Address
by Brian <BCarroll@catskill.net>
18) Lemur Voice, Altura, Chapman Stick
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
19) Re: New CDs
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:39:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: of course i meant 1996
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960920153330.5781F-100000@qbert.rs.itd.umich.edu>
fire garden=#1 of '96, i haven't a time machine....typos are fun anyway
there's one song on side 2 (aching hunger, i think) which has a real
Prince flavor to it, sorta like some of KevMo's demo stuff....
jeff falk: about PL not reaching 8 minutes, Don't have the CD,
sorry....usually cut off at the nature walk, anyway....
purplex:
>> Where can I obtain "When Dream and Today Unite"? I WANNA COPY!
>I got my tape (promotional use only, not for resale : - > ) at some
>local used tape place, and I got my CD at Best Buy, they have some random
>inport stuff in sometimes too.
Really? Mike Bahr's stuff is coming out on cassette now? hmmm, musta
missed something there...... Jazzmin, was that orig post yours? e-mail
durnik@goodnet.com for details, don't have the web address handy.....
DT: Does ANYBODY else look at the titles for the songs on the new album
and think "these titles look like something you'd see on a Michael Bolton
album...." anyone?? "Take Away my pain"??? "Just let me breathe"???
go ahead and flame if you want, but those titles just make me
wonder.......
partha
oh yeah, itchy, your death song by the cause list? Gets my vote for a
ytsejam hall of fame post, if there is such a thing..... :)
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Helloween
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960920154147.28711X-100000@bdmserver>
Jeff wrote:
>I heard a rumor a while ago that he committed suicide by walking in front of
>a train or something. I can't remember who told me that, so take it for
>what it's worth. Helloween is one of my faves, although I only have the 2
>"Keeper" CDs and the Walls of Jericho/Judas compilation CD. I haven't heard
>any of the material with the new singer. What do you think of "Time of the
>Oath" compared to the "Keeper" CDs? Feel free to e-mail directly so as not
>to clog bandwidth on the list... unless other people are interested?
I think it is ok to talk about Helloween here. I feel Helloween is a prog
metal band and thusly is a DT related band.
I like the old version like on the Keepers. I love the song Keeper of the
Seven Keys. The new stuff is good and I rather listen to that then any of
the crap on the radio nowdays...
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:51:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More about LEXIS-NEXIS and P-Trak and Journey and EOJ
Message-ID: <199609201951.OAA03446@psa.pencom.com>
Someone wants to know how to remove yourself from the P-Trak database.
> You can now remove yourself from the P-Trak database via the web:
> http://138.12.4.44/lncc/p-trak/index.html.
>
While you're up there, please take a moment to read
"Statement on the P-Trak file from LEXIS-NEXIS"
As for the new Journey album, that would be cool.
Johnny Motown
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I got an OEJ. :)
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:02:47 -0400
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Helloween
Message-ID: <3242F867.7B89@caribe.net>
Pat Daugherty wrote:
>
> I think it is ok to talk about Helloween here. I feel Helloween is a prog
> metal band and thusly is a DT related band.
>
> I like the old version like on the Keepers. I love the song Keeper of the
> Seven Keys. The new stuff is good and I rather listen to that then any of
> the crap on the radio nowdays...
Yeah I guess it's ok too. Personally I like very much that song, Keeper
of
the seven keys, and Mission Motherland from their last cd is also cool.
I don't know the song's names yet so I can't comment anything else
without
having to listen to cd while I'm posting :)
Later!
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:54:10 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hermenutics Message-ID: <199609201954.MAA14811@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Re: Band not a Band >Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960920093521.19692A-100000@comp.uark.edu> > >If you want to discuss line-up changes in a band, how about Savatage? I >don't have all the line-ups in front of me, but I know they've barely had >a stable line-up for more than one or two albums. Of course, as long as >the name Savatage is attached to a band it will always be Savatage, as Jon >Oliva (who really isn't even in the band anymore) pretty much writes all >the material. For that matter, from what little I've heard, Dr. Butcher >is basically Savatage Pt. 2.
Yeah. I've got one! Menudo! Oh...sorry about that. TSOL counts, I suppose, too. Metallica's had three bass players and two lead guitarists, but McGovney and Mustaine disappeared before the first record, so that hardly counts. I was in a band a little bit like that. In fact, the joke was that everyone in the band had either quit or been kicked out of the band at one time or another... and that didn't even include all the people who WEREN'T in the band anymore. I suppose it's not that unusual.
>From: fbarbosa@solar.com.br (Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: HELP ME >Message-ID: <199609201705.OAA25628@terra.solar.com.br> > >Hello ALL !!! :))))) > >I've heard of several PROGRESSIVE METAL bands that are really good : >SHADOW GALERY, FATES WARNING, SYMPHONY-X, STRATOVARIUS, KING'S X, TIAMAT. > >Well, I've never listened to any of them. I'm asking for anyone of you >Ytsejams to tell me what records the bands mentioned above have released >and what CD'S I should buy.
I'm sure you'll get a lot of other feedback from other folks on this one, but I thought I'd throw my two cents in. Shadow Gallery's "Carved In Stone" isn't too tough to find....I can't locate the first record for the life of me (and I'm not sure I'd pay $30 for it [or whatever it's going for] even if I did)...and it's awfully good. Fates Warning's "Parallels" is an AWESOME album...far and away their best work in my opinion, but it's a little more commercial than, say "Night On Brocken" and "No Exit." If you're getting King's X, I'd start with "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska," "Out Of The Silent Planet," and the new one, "Ear Candy."
For what it's worth, if you're into those, there are some other bands you may wanna look into -- Galactic Cowboys (start with the eponymous first album), Clockhammer ("Klinefelter"), The Beyond (the "The" is very important...you want the album "Crawl," not the album "Reassemble," which is by a band simply called "Beyond"), Echolyn (maybe, they're more Rock than Metal, but pretty good), maybe even Naked Sun (they're a progressive jazz-metal band...a halfway point, I'd say, between Mr. Bungle and King's X).
And a question for the prog-heads on the list: Is there anyone in the US issuing Banco or PFM CD's here? I don't think so, but right now my collection of those two bands is some dupes a friend of mine in Mexico made long ago (on Type Ones...they're really dying). And I'd like to pick 'em up, without shelling out a ridiculous amount of money.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Pearl Jam: No Code 3. Sara Hickman: Shortstop 4. ELP: Pictures At An Exibition 5. Yes: Big Generator
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:31:02 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Answers Message-ID: <199609202031.PAA12385@enteract.com>
>5) Does any drummer besides me feel that Neil Peart's sound has >changed quite a bit on Test for Echo? He completely changed the way he plays drums. He said so in an interview. He went back to lessons, and claims that he feels everything he'd done before this point is "crap." I have the interview taped somewhere (radio interview)
>Ive seen some people post about Helloween before, so i thought id >throw this question out to any of you "in the know" On the liner notes >of "The Time of the Oath", they dedicate it to their former drummer >from 2 albums ago. Does anyone know what happened to him? Did he die? >Just Curious He was a drug addict and got into a deep funk which led him to throw himself in front of a reather swift moving train. Was quite a good drumer. I don't feel bad though because he was weak enough to use drugs, and weak enough to commit suicide.
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:34:48 From: emsGateway@wichita.fn.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RR: YTSEJAM digest 1851 Message-ID: <199609202037.PAA15108@wichita.fn.net>
Message Received
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:33:40 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: HELP ME Message-ID: <Marcel-0.99-0920193340-0b0W1kb@aberry.demon.co.uk>
On Fri 20 Sep, Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa wrote: > Hello ALL !!! :))))) > > I've heard of several PROGRESSIVE METAL bands that are really good : > SHADOW GALERY, FATES WARNING, SYMPHONY-X, STRATOVARIUS, KING'S X, TIAMAT. > > Well, I've never listened to any of them. I'm asking for anyone of you > Ytsejams to tell me what records the bands mentioned above have released > and what CD'S I should buy. >
Stratovarius: I can't tell you much because I'm only just getting into them myself, but I've got their second album "II" (which I believe was later re-released as "Twilight Time") and the latest one, "Episode". "II" is OK, nothing outstanding but a good enough album. "Epsiode" is brilliant! I would describe them as a cross between Helloween, Conception and Malmsteen, but with the advantage that they don't have the 'cheesy' melodies which Helloween often border on the edge of.
If you can get hold of "Episode" get it! I don't think you'll be dissapointed with it. The singer is excellent, BTW. He's been compared with Michael Kiske, and although he doesn't sound *quite* the same he's *very* nearly as good.
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:40:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Slaughter Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609201648.A65708-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>
>> >I was a little ummmm...unsure about Mark Slaughter...he did >> >well...maybe it was just weird hearing that voice again after all these >> >years since the last Slaughter album. :) >> >> It's been less than two years since the last Slaughter album. >> Fear No Evil was released in the spring of 1995. > >Well...it's been more than that since I've personally heard him. That's >all I meant. I didn't know of that album...so...how was that album? :)
>Rick Bond
Since you asked ... I like it. They certainly didn't sell out. Don't take my word for it though, since few people agree with me on anything. I think the band is working on a new one for next year.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:43:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Promised Land vs. "The" Promised Land Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609201659.B65708-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>
>As far as the Promised Land vs. "The" Promised Land, I think that the ides >in the song is not that he is searching for _The_ promised land, (assumed >to be a universal place) but just _A_ Promised land (i.e. a personal >thing) --also, since it's poetry (Song lyrics are poetry, I think we can >agree on that), the rules of grammar don't always apply. I think you hit the nail right on the head, so to speak.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:43:58 -0400 From: Thomas Bell <cmbell@inx.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shred Guitar Message-ID: <199609202043.QAA20655@inx>
I am curious if anyone on the list is in to a guitarist named Joe Stump? I attended a summer program at Berklee this year and was honered to have him as a teacher. I have seen ads in magazines about him and reviews for two of his albums in guitar world but didn't truly know who he was until I met him. His cd Supersonic Shred Machine is an awesome instrumental cd. It is kind of in the vein of Yngwie, but I prefer this to listeneing to Yngwie any day. If you like old Yngwie you would probally like this cd. It has some of the fastest shred guitar played with taste that I have heard in a long time. Corey Bell
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:50:55 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dr butcher Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960920205055.006ba440@mail.inlink.com>
> >If you want to discuss line-up changes in a band, how about Savatage? I >don't have all the line-ups in front of me, but I know they've barely had >a stable line-up for more than one or two albums. Of course, as long as >the name Savatage is attached to a band it will always be Savatage, as Jon >Oliva (who really isn't even in the band anymore) pretty much writes all >the material. For that matter, from what little I've heard, Dr. Butcher >is basically Savatage Pt. 2.
oooooooh man Doc Butcher FUCKIN RULES. its like savatage's heavy side... jon channels the ballady stuff more towards savatage, and the rage towards doc b. its also great to hear jon sing, because his gravel throat rules. i heard a few cuts from doc butcher last tuesday, and i really fuckin' want the album now. theres not one nice happy song on the whole album, it was right after criss died so jon was pissed and ready to shred. as far as the tage lineup, it wasnt that bad until criss died... just johnny lee m. on bass and some other dude along the way, and i'm not sure about steve the doc on drums, but i dont think he's always been there... zach stevens took over for john on EOT (GREAT disc btw, i'm putting it on after i write this) and after.. but jon still does keys and even some guitar, not to mention writing it all. when i think of the current savatage i dont think of pitrelli or stevens or any one of those guys in the credits for DWD, they're just the actors portraying jon, the writer's, play ;) ~Rip
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:03:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shadow Gallery, Mike Baker, and Lie single Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609201043.A84210-0100000@acs1.bu.edu>
Got Shadow Gallery. WOW!!!!! The classical influences of this band are VERY AWESOME! The matching of the general "feel" of a song and the lyrics match better in this album than in any other I've heard in a long time. In the beginning of "Ghost Ship" you almost think it is a bunch of warriors going off to sea to fight some battle somewhere. It is just awesome. Otherwise, thanks to all those who emailed me with info on where to get the Lie single. I've sent in the check, and it is on its way! Oh, and BTW, SG sounds absolutely NOTHING like Queensryche. And Mike Baker is the singer for SG, too, to whomever was saying he butchered a tune of Working Man. I haven't got Working Man, yet, it is on my list.
-jeremy
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:22:46 -0400 From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: <wolfacregan@amherst.edu>, <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>, <mithrandir@pb.net>, Subject: Ongoing problems with my Internet Provider. Message-ID: <199609202126.OAA25912@pawn.ax.com>
This message is for anyone who may need to reach me via email and world wide web:
After several, serious occurances of problems with my Internet Service Provider, Long Island Internet Headquarters, I have decided to switch ISP's. My frustration has reached it's boiling point due to Long Island Internet HQ misplacing my web page, misplacing my mail, failing to read my many email pleas for a reason (for these problems), etc.. My business relationship with them culminated in disaster, this morning, upon attempting to connect to thier bank of modems, and being disconnected immediately (or within 5 minutes) 29 out of 30 times. In my book, this is unacceptable. An ISP's responsibility is connectability. If they can't offer that, no amount of free web pages and email addresses are going to make up for it. I am truely sorry if I have inconvenienced any of you in any way, and you can all reach me this new address:
and when I complete my new web page, the URL will be:
http://www.vastnet.net/~mojonet
Thank you for being wonderful email friends and colegues...and I hope to see you on Vastnet.
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:38:00 -0500 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: gass guitar et al. Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0001955C@adnc.ameridata.com>
.......The original members of Yes were:
Chris Squire,<<<< gass guitar>>>>, backing vocals Peter Banks, lead guitars Bill Bruford, drums Tony Kay, keyboards John Anderson, vocals
Chris Squire must be very innovative, a gass guitar???, I guess when all the lectricity stops flowin, ya gotta do something
>>Anyone remember the band T-Ride? They had one album that was released in
...... >>>>Who the hell is T-Ride? What kind of music do they play, etc.... Well, gotta run.....till next time
As was discussed some time ago on the JAM, the guitarist for T-Ride has been, like Steve Vai and Kirk Hammet, a student of Satch aka Joe Satriani
{{{{{>It's (new FW) not coming out till 1997, sometime early, like... hmmm... >Jan, Feb? Man, there's another one. Okay, so DT, FW, and U2 aren't coming out until early next year. Gonna be a good year for the old CD collection, it seems. Dale R. Newberry }}}}}
--Now that you're working 2 jobs, maybe there'll be enought left over for CD's1997--
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:32:08 -0700 From: Robert Carroll <BCarroll@catskill.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com, syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu, python@intercall.com Subject: New address Message-ID: <32433788.32E7@dreamt.org>
OK, I'm not sure how this works yet, but my new address is DreamNDay@dreamt.org and if that doesn't work, try BCarroll@catskill.net.
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:43:21 -0700 From: Brian <BCarroll@catskill.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Address Message-ID: <32433A29.254@catskill.net>
I sent a message but I don't think that you all got it. Still figuring the new program out. New address should be DreamNDay@dreamt.org. If not, BCarroll@catskill,net. DO NOT SEND MAIL TO THE AOL ACCOUNT! I WILL NOT BE READING IT ANYMORE!
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:54:00 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lemur Voice, Altura, Chapman Stick Message-ID: <199609202154.QAA18658@enteract.com>
I have Lemur Voice, finally. This is beyond a doubt the best album I've bought this year. There are freaky guitar chops, and the bassist is clearly audible, and awe inspiring. The drums are great and the keyboardist can really really write. I am blown away. Marcel, this is a big time score. There's only one thing I don't like so far, and that's the intro to Intuition... the keyboard part is a little cliche... it really starts happening once the whammy bar guitar part comes in. I will repeat: This album is AWESOME. The singer sounds like a cross between John Arch and Sting (Seriously!)... and I find this totally listenable. It didn't stick in my head on the first listen, but after the second listen, I am totally stuck on their music... especially the chorus to Intuition and Alone (the whole tune). This band rocks. Definately give it a listen. They are not a DT rip off.
Altura: I like this band, BUT I think they've been corrupted by Magna Carta. Magna Carta tries to make bands sound like what they think will sell... in this case they're trying to be Images and Words era DT. It's a good album, but I can sort of sense that it's not what it could have been. Let's hope that they can get off MC asap. I hope Lemur Voice isn't corrupted ever by Mike Varney. They have much to offer the world musically.
Hey... I found someone who wants to sell a Chapman Stick used for $895. Should I buy it?
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: New CDs Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.960920175705.13086A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> I just a copy of Shadow Gallery's Carved in Stone. Planet Music had to > order it for me. I just have to say it rocks!!!!!! Someone said they were > Queensryche wannabes (I believe that was the word) but I find very little if > any similarity. I am on my 2nd pass at listening to the entire CD. Brendt
Cool...another Baltimore jammer. I was wondering if Planet Music is a chain or exists only in the Baltimore area. Anyone know?
Brandon (aka Taco Belhai)
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