YTSEJAM Digest 1856
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
by auhcy <auhcy@asu.edu>
2) re: Shred Guitar - Joe Stump
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
by "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
4) Classy Jammer/Prog uncle
by kurt@fgallery.com
5) re: Shred Guitar - Joe Stump
by kurt@fgallery.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
by "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
7) Rodent or Marsupial? Yes.
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
8) Foot in mouth and out the back of head.
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
9) GD C TTT.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
10) Helloween tragedy
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
11) Re: suicide
by matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
12) asdf
by CT678@aol.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
by Purplerx7@aol.com
14) Re: War and Anti-War
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) Re: NDTC - ref: Journey...
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) Re: To navigate waters, and finally answer to Yes! Part 1
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
17) Re: Yip yip!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
18) Just Let Me Breathe
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
19) Neil Peart's drumming
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1852
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
21) Re: helloween drummer (NDTC)
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
22) NDTC: ABWH/Yes/Rabin - Union
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:21:39 -0700
From: auhcy <auhcy@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
Message-ID: <32435133.1EC9@imap2.asu.edu>
> guitar part comes in. I will repeat: This album is AWESOME. The
> singer sounds like a cross between John Arch and Sting
> (Seriously!)... and I find this totally listenable. It didn't stick
> in my head on the first listen, but after the second listen, I am
> totally stuck on their music... especially the chorus to Intuition
> and Alone (the whole tune). This band rocks. Definately give it a
> listen. They are not a DT rip off.
>
> Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
> EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
> someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
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I got Lemur Voice 2 days ago and I immediately thought that the singer
(Gregoor?) sounds like Sting. Glad I am not the only one. :) I only
listened to it twice so far but what stood out was the 3rd song (can't
remember the name) sorry Marcel.
huichi
auhcy@asu.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 22:44:19 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Shred Guitar - Joe Stump
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+aJpEmA@tcx.tcco.com>
>> From: Thomas Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
Subject: Shred Guitar
I am curious if anyone on the list is in to a guitarist named Joe
Stump? I attended a summer program at Berklee this year and was honered to
have him as a teacher. <<
I heard a few of his tracks and was stunned by his sheer speed. But under all
that technique was little else. If he came out 6-7 years ago, hhe probably
would have been up there with Yngwie, Paul Gilbert, Tony MacAlpine and Vinnie
Moore as one of the Shred Masters. I think the era of shred guitar has passed
(unfortunately). He doesn't seem to have the "tunes" under all those notes
like that other guys I mentioned.
Guys like Stone Gossard and Kurt Cobain are being praised as innovators now...
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:51:28 -0700
From: "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
Message-ID: <32438260.3447@concentric.net>
> >5) Does any drummer besides me feel that Neil Peart's sound has
> >changed quite a bit on Test for Echo?
> He completely changed the way he plays drums. He said so in an
> interview. He went back to lessons, and claims that he feels
> everything he'd done before this point is "crap." I have the
> interview taped somewhere (radio interview)
Gosh...I'm a drummer, and I wish I could play as "crappy" as Neil. :)
Rick Bond
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:54:30 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Classy Jammer/Prog uncle
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-10.54.30.2916992174.344943@bbs.fgallery.com>
Hey...id just like to make known a very classy action by a cool jammer
called Jan Michael Souter, he had dubbed me acoutic dreams..and the very
first day my car sterreo ate it... then i told him (not expecting him to
do anything since it wasnt his fault at all).Today i received another
copy...completely unsolicited... man i have to say this guy has class..
thanx for the tape souter!
Hey..today i was helping my aunt move..and i moved a box of cd's from
my unclels collection..and whats on top of it but QR'S EMPIRE ,,so i
thought,,woa cool..my uncles into prog..heeh im going to show him dt
sometime...
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:55:58 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Shred Guitar - Joe Stump
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-10.55.58.2916992174.344945@bbs.fgallery.com>
Stone Gossard imho is one of the less bad guitar player;s in alt,
today.. like that guy from Candlebox too..
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:54:58 -0700
From: "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
Message-ID: <32438332.26F2@concentric.net>
> Oh, and BTW, SG sounds absolutely NOTHING like Queensryche.
> And Mike Baker is the singer for SG, too, to whomever was saying he
> butchered a tune of Working Man. I haven't got Working Man, yet, it is
> on my list.
That would have been me that said it. I don't know. I just didn't
really like his voice I think, and I LOVE the song "The Trees", so you
know how it is. Maybe. :)
Rick Bond
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:58:45 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rodent or Marsupial? Yes.
Message-ID: <199609210258.VAA06087@enteract.com>
> >> Where can I obtain "When Dream and Today Unite"? I WANNA COPY!
> >I got my tape (promotional use only, not for resale : - > ) at some
> >local used tape place, and I got my CD at Best Buy, they have some random
> >inport stuff in sometimes too.
> Really? Mike Bahr's stuff is coming out on cassette now? hmmm, musta
> missed something there...... Jazzmin, was that orig post yours? e-mail
> durnik@goodnet.com for details, don't have the web address handy.....
Were we asked not to do that so quickly? I thought we were supposed
to wait on forwarding that mailbox. Hmm.
I recently said:
> He was a drug addict and got into a deep funk which led him to throw
> himself in front of a reather swift moving train. Was quite a good
> drumer. I don't feel bad though because he was weak enough to use
> drugs, and weak enough to commit suicide.
Wow... who is this idiot. He can't even spell. What a dork. On a
side note, Shawn Malone rules.
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:34:48
> From: emsGateway@wichita.fn.net
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: RR: YTSEJAM digest 1851
> Message-ID: <199609202037.PAA15108@wichita.fn.net>
>
> Message Received
Thanks for sharing.
> I am curious if anyone on the list is in to a guitarist named Joe
> Stump? I attended a summer program at Berklee this year and was honered to
> have him as a teacher. I have seen ads in magazines about him and reviews
> for two of his albums in guitar world but didn't truly know who he was until
> I met him.
I made that mistake once... a teacher, Toshi Iseda, in Chicago was
going around advertising everywhere. He had all these credentials,
and sounded like hot shit. His lessons were $35 an hour for two
pages of "scales we all know" and 59 minutes of bullshitting.
Further he's an asshole, and screwed me out of $200... but I'm not
biased. :)
> His cd Supersonic Shred Machine is an awesome instrumental cd.
> It is kind of in the vein of Yngwie,
Understatement of the decade! Stump is an Yngwie wannabe. He used
to walk around Boston in those fluffy shirts with the lace and shit.
You know... the way Yngwie dressed on stage in the 80's? He teaches
at Berklee... and he's a wanker.
> but I prefer this to listeneing to
> Yngwie any day. If you like old Yngwie you would probally like this cd. It
> has some of the fastest shred guitar played with taste that I have heard in
> a long time.
He is fast.... very fast.... but not alive... you know? Heh... my
buddy (who goes to Berkle) was making fun of him at a Berklee
concert. It's hilarious. The dude started acting all tough...
ahh... how can you be intimidated by someone wearing a woman's
blouse? :)
"There's no way out... so close the way in." - Nathan Van De Wouw
of Lemur Voice
Take care!
Chris Ptacek
www.prognosis.com - NOT OWNED OR RELATED TO MAGNA CARTA OR MIKE
VARNEY IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. BE NOT AFRAID.
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:17:46 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Foot in mouth and out the back of head.
Message-ID: <199609210317.WAA07040@enteract.com>
> let me first start by saying that i don't intend for this to be a
> flame in anyway, but my gut wrenched reading this and i felt the need
> to respond. i think that's a terribly cold-hearted statement to
> make. i won't comment on the drug portion of it due to my lack of
> first hand experience, but i feel my 23 years of dealing with manic
> depression gives me more then enough experience to discuss mental
> illness and suicide.
That wasn't intended as a flame, but it should have been. It's real
easy to get into "holier than thou" mode when you don't know the
uncontrolable influences that may affect someone. It was not fair of
me to call that weakness. I have just known a few people who've
committed suicide, and they were not victims of any mental
affliction... they just got into drugs and alcohol, and brought their
problems upon themselves. So I disassociate myself from them... and
I don't feel bad for them. That's just how I deal with it at times.
I don't feel bad when someone is sick because of drugs, or dies from
chronic alcoholism, outside of the fact that the person wasted
his/her life away. It's just... if you know it's going to hurt
you... what could POSSIBLY mind fuck you into doing drugs?
But I owe you an apology, Andy. That was not right of me to say. It
is for too broad a statement, and too cold a rule to judge by. I
just didn't take very much into account when saying it.
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:59:00 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: GD C TTT.
Message-ID: <199609210359.UAA14860@m5.sprynet.com>
>I just know
>that Green Day could cover "take the time" with no problem. :)
Whoa. "Picture" that in your mind....like, the chorus part. That would
actually work quite well. :) Would sound like a Green Day song, if you
disgregarded the lyrics.
>sponsored by Resurrection Drums in Hallandale from noon to 7pm at "Club
>Zippers" which is next door to the drum shop.
Sign in window: The Zipper's open 7 days a week!
>write "no one" as
>"noone",
Noone is 12:00PM in olde english. :)
Got a piece in band...it was a march, and it said "Marche" and it really
pissed me off. People should keep their extra E's to themselves.
Catche youe latere, d00dez.
Ben Laussade
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 04:13:16 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Helloween tragedy
Message-ID: <32431f21.397821@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon,
>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 09:16 DFT
>From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
>Best LP of the week.
>----====-------------
> Scorpions Lonesome Crow -72
An outstanding record!
I bought that in 1973 and still listen to it to this day. It
has always reminded me of Klaus and crew meet Black Sabbath (because
of the guitar sound being much like Iommi's circa 1974).
In search of the piece of mind is one of my favorite songs of
all time. It truly moves me to hear it.
If ever there was a "bic lighter" song at a concert, that's
the one along with We'll Burn the Sky from Tokyo Tapes.
Any jammers who like straight ahead "in your face" 70s hard
rock/metal should try to pick up Tokyo Tapes. Some of guitar playing
bu Uli Roth is absolutley brilliant and the songs just smoke, unlike
the most recent Scorps record Pure Instinct which I feel has about 5
ballads too many.
>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:35:04 -0700
>From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Old Helloween Drummer
>Message-ID: <32433838.428E@connexus.apana.org.au>
>
>..was told that he committed suicide.
That's correct.
As I understand it, Ingo Schwictenberg had numerous substance
abuse problems which forced band leader Michael Weikath to ask him to
leave until he had completed a succesful period in rehab.
When his rehab had been completed, he approached Weiki and was
told that he could not re-enter the band as they were changing their
sound and were happy with the new drummer.
Despondent and depressed, Ingo walked in front of a freight
train one morning not far from his home in Germany.
A very sad tale of the industry gone wrong. :(
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:12:28 -0500
From: matt rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: suicide
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960920213425.1a3fcba6@tam2000.tamu.edu>
>people that commit suicide obviously are people that have severe
>emotional problems. alot of times these problems are medically
>documented and diagnosed mental illnesses. this being the case,
>"weak enough to commit suicide" is an ignorant statement to make.
i'm with you, andrew. suicide is not weak. actually, it takes a lot
of courage to go through with it. it's tragic. it's a shame.
whether you sympathize with someone who commits suicide or not,
you should ALWAYS feel bad about it, because it's ALWAYS a shame
when someone creative dies, no matter how.
-matt.
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 00:49:23 -0400
From: CT678@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: asdf
Message-ID: <960921004922_482708979@emout04.mail.aol.com>
could you please take me off you mailing list, thank-you.
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:01:12 -0400
From: Purplerx7@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1854
Message-ID: <960921020110_107112287@emout02.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-09-20 23:00:11 EDT, you write:
> > >5) Does any drummer besides me feel that Neil Peart's sound has
> > >changed quite a bit on Test for Echo?
> > He completely changed the way he plays drums. He said so in an
> > interview. He went back to lessons, and claims that he feels
> > everything he'd done before this point is "crap." I have the
> > interview taped somewhere (radio interview)
> Gosh...I'm a drummer, and I wish I could play as "crappy" as Neil. :)
After he said that on the interview, the interviewer said "I'm sure that will
inspire all of your fans out there, saying that you feel that you are a poor
set player" It was pretty funny!
Ryan
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 2:54:00 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: War and Anti-War
Message-ID: <9609210654.AA10425@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I happen to like Rage,, musically. They do the purpose of most alternative
bands, express anger in their music and lyrics, whatever those lyrics may
be.Musically, Rage is good. 311 even has some catchy tunes and I think
they're above average. But my original question remains unanswered. What is
so good about limitted yourself to a guitar-based band?
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 3:01:03 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDTC - ref: Journey...
Message-ID: <9609210701.AA15899@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
New Journey, coming October 22. A friend heard the new single, I haven't, and
says it's good. I forget the title of the new album, though.
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 3:27:24 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: To navigate waters, and finally answer to Yes! Part 1
Message-ID: <9609210727.AA17033@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Not much of a change between Bill Bruford and Alan White? Surely you Gest.
Bill and Alan have two completely different drum styles. Bill's is more
jazzy, Alan's more rock-oriented. To say this is not much of a change is like
saying Kevin more leaving and Geddy Lee taking over keyboards slot is a minor
adjustment.
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 3:37:32 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yip yip!
Message-ID: <9609210737.AA17729@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Ben. You suck. I hate you. You saw ELP. You blow. That's not fair. I feel
cheated. All because my friend is a total asshole. It isn't
faaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:34:51 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just Let Me Breathe
Message-ID: <3243A8AB.4AF6@mo.net>
Nah, on second thought, the song must be about me and my sinus
problems. I haven't been able to breathe through my nose for the past
couple days. Thank God for typing so it's not hard to understand me :).
Just saw Fleming & John tonight @ The SIde Door in St. Louis. Man,
these guys (and gal) rip. They did this thing where they took "I Got
You, Babe" (yeah, the Sonny & Cher tune) and sung it to the tune of
"Black Dog." It kicked some major tail. They are really tight. Nah,
they're not really prog (they're progressive in a way, but not like DT
or Rush). The vocals remind me of a very operatic Tori Amos on the
softer stuff (Fleming sings a bit higher, though - she's a high
soprano), and she can wail with the best of them (besides, she's rather
easy on the eyes :). The first time I saw them, they also did a keen
cover of "Back in Black" (only AC/DC song I sort of like, sounded MUCH
better with real singing).
The St. Louis paper had an article the other day about the Tull/ELP
show with a really cool picture of the dude on keys, and a positive
review at that (I guess there are some prog fans around here after all
(besides the jammers, of course).
Crap, it's almost 2:30. I better catch some ZZZ's since I have to be
up early to go get my Rush tix. WOO HOO!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 3:40:12 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neil Peart's drumming
Message-ID: <9609210740.AA03859@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I must say that I am a bit disappointed with the simpler Neil, but if you
really listen to the drumming on tEst for Echo, it's not as easy as it may
sound. Listen to the drums carefully. Yes, he's not going lightning fast,
which is disappointing, but the drumming sounds like it has complexity to it
in parts. And there are a few Peart moments. I hope he doesn't mess with
anything on tour and he shreds those drums like the Neil of old.
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 17:24:18 GMT
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1852
Message-ID: <51286673_000009_OASIS_MAIL@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In all the time i've been reading the jam i've seen plenty about other
prog style bands but never anything about a great(but now defunct)
band called IT BITES , they put out three great albums that will
appeal to some jammers if you have not heard them before your missing
some great music.
Buy their albums now ......1. Big Lad in the Windmill
2. All Around the World
3. Eat me in St.Louis
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:13:46 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: helloween drummer (NDTC) Message-ID: <Marcel-0.99-0920121346-0b0W1kb@aberry.demon.co.uk>
On Fri 20 Sep, mike olekshy wrote: > Hey all > > Ive seen some people post about Helloween before, so i thought id throw > this question out to any of you "in the know" On the liner notes of "The > Time of the Oath", they dedicate it to their former drummer from 2 albums > ago. Does anyone know what happened to him? Did he die? Just Curious >
He'd been having drink/drug problems towards the end of his career with Helloween. He tried to get himself cleaned up, but by the time he'd done that he found he'd already been kicked out. He got depressed and jumped in front of a train. Presumably the drink and drugs were his own fault, but it seems that being kicked out was the last straw.
I know, it's a sad story. The story surrounding Michael Kiske's departure is also bad, but not as bad as that.
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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:08:31 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC: ABWH/Yes/Rabin - Union Message-ID: <01BBA7D0.E9F4EEC0@Homm.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Jon Byrne said :
> Actually, from what I've heard, _Union_ is actually more 11 ABWH + 4 > Trevor Rabin solo cuts.
The four "Yes" songs on "Union" are :
Lift Me Up : Rabin + Squire Saving My Heart : Rabin Miracle Of Life : Rabin + Mark Mancina The More We Live - Let Go : Squire + Billy Sherwood
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