YTSEJAM Digest 1867
Today's Topics:
1) YTSECON III DRIVING DIRECTIONS!!!!!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
2) Re: Fw: this is just because I love you guys!!!
by "Aaron T. Larson" <aaronl@cyberhighway.net>
3) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by "Aaron T. Larson" <aaronl@cyberhighway.net>
4) Re: What happened to echolyn
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
5) Re: what?
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
6) Working Man.
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
7) Anybody got a backhoe?
by Tim Caudill <symmetry@usaor.net>
8) Saigon Kick Autographs/Savatage Promo!!!
by Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net>
9) G3 Tour in Boston
by "Todd A. Dakin" <tdakin@is2.dal.ca>
10) Re: Working Man.
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
11) Lotta Queensryche, some DTC
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
12) Opinions, grammar, chains...
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Doodeedaa!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
14) Re: Doodeedaa!
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
15) Rush-Rockline
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) Visual Music++/prog marching band
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
17) VM++
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
18) Superior in USA
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:06:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YTSECON III DRIVING DIRECTIONS!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609232114.B19644-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
OK, now I live in Vermont as you all know, so I haven't had a chance to
road test these directions. I know they're right, up to the point of
getting off the Grand Central Parkway. I got directions from the Parkway
to the Hotel over the phone, from Marriott's nationwide 800 number, from
a woman who has quite obviously never been in NYC. So, if any of you
kind souls are willing to test the directions between the GCP and the
hotel, and you can offer any insights that the kind Midwestern woman on
the phone couldn't, let me know. :)
Here they are!
Oh, one more thing. Anyone familiar enough with mass transit to offer
any suggestions on getting there by train/bus/etc? I'm not, and we might
be able to use that info.
DIRECTIONS TO THE LA GUARDIA AIRPORT MARRIOTT HOTEL
102-05 Ditmars Blvd.
East Elmhurst (Queens), NY
(718) 565-8900
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FROM THE SOUTH:
Take the New Jersey Turnpike, Interstate 95, to Exit 10 for Route 440 and the
Outerbridge Crossing. Once over the bridge (and into New York State and New
York City), follow Route 440, the West Shore Expressway. Take the WSE to
Interstate 278, the Staten Island Expressway, towards Brooklyn and the Verrazano
Bridge. Go over the Verrazano Bridge (One-way toll $7) and continue to follow
Interstate 278, which will change names to the Gowanus Expressway and then to
the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway. Take the BQE to the Grand Central Parkway
eastbound, toward La Guardia Airport and eastern Long Island. Take the 94th
Street exit off the GCP. Follow the service road straight, and you will wind up
on Ditmars Blvd.
FROM NEW ENGLAND:
Take Interstate 95 southbound into New York City. Take the first exit you see
for the Hutchinson River Parkway southbound towards the Whitestone Bridge.
Take the Whitestone Bridge (Interstate 678) (Toll $3.50 each way) into Queens.
Once over the bridge, follow interstate 678, the Whitestone Expressway. Take
the Whitestone Expressway to the Grand Central Parkway westbound, towards La
Guardia Airport and the Triborough Bridge. Take the Astoria Blvd. exit off the
GCP. Turn right at the first traffic light onto Ditmars Blvd.
Alternate New England Route:
Take the Merritt Parkway instead of I-95. The Merritt becomes the Hutch once
you cross into New York State. Follow directions as above.
FROM UPSTATE NEW YORK:
Take Interstate 87 southbound into New York City. At the end of Interstate 87,
take the Triborough Bridge (Interstate 278) (Toll $3.50 each way) into Queens.
BE CAREFUL: The Triborough goes both to Queens and to Manhattan. DO NOT go
to Manhattan. Once over the bridge, follow the Grand Central Parkway to the
94th Street exit. Take this exit. Follow the service road straight, and it
becomes Ditmars Blvd.
FROM THE WEST AND NORTHERN NEW JERSEY:
Take Interstate 80 to the George Washington Bridge (Interstate 95) (One-way
toll $7.00). Once over the bridge, take Interstate 87, the Major Deegan
Expressway, southbound. Follow Upstate NY Directions above.
FROM LONG ISLAND:
Take the Northern State Parkway westbound. The NSP becomes the GCP once you
cross the New York City line. Take the GCP to the Astoria Blvd. exit. Turn
right at the first traffic light onto Ditmars Blvd.
IF YOU DON'T SEE DIRECTIONS HERE THAT HELP YOU:
E-mail me at cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu, and I'll see what I can do.
HOW BAD WILL THE TRAFFIC BE?
Come on. We're talking about New York City on Columbus Day weekend. Plan
ahead.
Drive safely!
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:10:23 -0600
From: "Aaron T. Larson" <aaronl@cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fw: this is just because I love you guys!!!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960924011023.00708ed8@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
This is to inform you that my company accepts one unsolicited e-mail
advertisement. However, subsequent advertisements will be charged a fee of
$500 for the 2nd e-mail, $1,000 for the 3rd e-mail, $1,500 for the fourth,
and so forth.
This is to notify you that this is your first advertisement and by sending
further mail, you have agreed to the terms listed above.
Aaron T. Larson,
ATL Computer Services - "For All Your Computer Needs"
Computer Teacher, East Minico Jr. High
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Home Page: http://www.cyberhighway.net/~aaronl
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:10:40 -0600
From: "Aaron T. Larson" <aaronl@cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960924011040.006e8820@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
This is to inform you that my company accepts one unsolicited e-mail
advertisement. However, subsequent advertisements will be charged a fee of
$500 for the 2nd e-mail, $1,000 for the 3rd e-mail, $1,500 for the fourth,
and so forth.
This is to notify you that this is your first advertisement and by sending
further mail, you have agreed to the terms listed above.
Aaron T. Larson,
ATL Computer Services - "For All Your Computer Needs"
Computer Teacher, East Minico Jr. High
E-Mail: aaronl@cyberhighway.net
Home Page: http://www.cyberhighway.net/~aaronl
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:13:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: What happened to echolyn
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960923221634.2107bc24@access.mountain.net>
At 05:32 PM 9/22/96 -0700, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>Hey, guys. Am I the only person who thinks what happened to Echolyn sucks
>hard? I mean, Sony signs the band. What the hell did they think?
As much as I hate the way Sony dicked the band over, I can't help but think
that things weren't all that rosy between band members. The whole thing
started to unravel when the bass player got fed up and left. I know they
searched for a replacement for a while, but nothing really clicked. At that
point, I think that even if Sony was a really great record company, the band
was finished. Remember it says after "This Time Alone" on the new CD: "Last
song recorded together . . . the cheers at the end are there for a reason."
As another possible indication that things weren't going to work out, look
at the two projects that have come in echolyn's wake: Still (drummer,
vox/bass, guitar) is moving in a more mainstream direction (from what I've
heard), while finneus guage (keys) is going for a jazzy/fusion kind of thing
that is more like what echolyn did. That tells me that there were different
ideas about where the band was headed, and that would have broken things up,
anyway.
Oh well, that's my take on the situation.
Jonathan Byrne, 1L
West Virginia University College of Law
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
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"Meet me in the valley of shadows, find me in my dust
Save me from 100 diversions, pull me from my rut."
-Brett Kull, "100 Diversions", echolyn
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:28:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: what?
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0923152837-d07evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
On Mon 23 Sep, Pat Daugherty wrote:
> Come on! Get off this heresy. If Green Day ever covered a DT song it
> would suck, that is just because Green Day sucks. Just thinking about it
> is making me ill.
>
> This is all my opinion so if you like Green Day then that is your
> problem, er choice...
>
Apart from anything, there is *no way* that Green Day would ever be able to
pull off a DT cover. In the eyes of their fans they may be a 'good band'
in terms of writing catchy music, but this is no substitute for musical
talent. They simply would not be able to play any DT.
-- +---- Andrew Berry --------------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk ----+ | Metal Links - 1140 links to 510 metal bands' pages across the internet | +--------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallist/ -----------------+ +- URLs wanted to be added to the list - mailto:andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk -+------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Working Man. Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960923222520.116664A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
I finally got a hold of the Rush tribute album. I've only listened to it all the way through once, but let me tell you this thing is going to be in my player for quite a while. As I go on, remember that I'm not that big a Rush fan. As such I have only heard the original versions of 3 of the songs (Closer To The Heart, YYZ, Freewill). That being said: Overall, the disc is incredible. My favorite songs are "Analog Kid" (great performance by Jack Russell of Great White), "La Villa Strangiato" (holy shit!!! This is what an instrumental is SUPPOSED to sound like), and "Mission" (Eric Martin brought tears to my eyes, sniff, sniff). Of course, MP gets a chance to blaze through almost half the album. I've heard accusations that he overdid it, but since I haven't heard the originals, I can't give an opinion. I do know that he sounds ABSOLUTELY MOTHERFUCKIN' INCREDIBLE on every track I supposed that is the true test of how well he did. Actually, Deen Castronovoa gives MP a run for his money his songs (if MP ever quits DT, I've always thought Deen would be a suitable replacement: same attitude and energy). Of course Billy Sheehan is in top form. But the winner for best vocal performance has to go to the aforementioned Eric Martin. Unbelievable. James gets to shine on Red Barchetta (I can tell this one is going to grow on me really quick). And Sebastian Bach sounds godly, as always. I just wish he was given songs that had more of a vocal part. It's almost criminal that he reduced to "Jacob's Ladder," though he sounds amazing when he does get to chime in. Here's what I didn't like: I wasn't too found of Mark Slaughter's performance on "Anthem," though Deen more than takes up the slack. I also expecting more from Fates Warning's version of "Closer To The Heart." Not that they didn't sound good, it just seemed to lack...something. Also, I thought "Freewill" was a weak album closer and would have sounded 1,000,000 times better with James on vox. All and all, a great album. If you're not a big Rush fan, don't worry. To me, this whole album sounds more like DT than Rush, regardless of who is on what track. Get it, now. If for nothing else, get it for MP. Now here's a question: on the back of the CD booklet, it thanks all the bands that the respective musicians are a part of. But it thanks DT and Derek seperately. I was under the impression that Derek was a full member of the band. Is it possible that he's still a hired hand? Anyone got any info on this. Maybe I missed something over the summer.
Richie
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:49:58 -0400 From: Tim Caudill <symmetry@usaor.net> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Anybody got a backhoe? Message-ID: <01BBA9A1.CEB640A0@dyn231.usaor.net>
DAMN!!!!!
Don't read the jam for a week or two and what happens? 37 Jams pile up in my inBox...
What i need is a Ytsejam Digest digest... Tim C
s y m m e t r y@usaor.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Saigon Kick Autographs/Savatage Promo!!! Message-ID: <199609240303.XAA22070@uhura.ici.net>
I have a promo group photo (from their first album) autographed by the band. I would like to trade it for may be some DT autographs, picks, etc... or some rock memorabilia that I'm interested in.
I also got a Savatage "Streets: a Rock Opera" Tri-fold promo folder includes: photos of all albums, write up of the "Streets: a Rock Opera" album, a sentence under every song title and 3 Atlantic Records reviews.
Please email my privately with offers with SAIGON KICK or SAVATAGE as the subject because I get alot off Van Halen messages from their list I just delete and I might over look a message.
Thanx Joe joecr@ici.net
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:19:53 -0300 From: "Todd A. Dakin" <tdakin@is2.dal.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: G3 Tour in Boston Message-ID: <32475359.2B00@is2.dal.ca>
Howdy Jammers, Is was wondering if some jammers in the Boston area could give me some info of the G3 Tour in Boston. I know that the concert in slated for Oct. 27 at the Orpheum Theater, but I don't know if there are any tickets left or how to order them. I am considering making the trek from Nova Scotia to see this "orgasmic" show as they not expected to cross the border :-( . Could someone please E-Mail me privately with this info. Thanks a bunch. Sorry for the NDTC. Todd -- * Todd A. Dakin ****** ** Halifax, NS tdakin@is2.dal.ca ***** *** *** **** "Through nature's inflexible grace, ** ***** I'm learning to live" - Dream Theater *
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:19:37 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Working Man. Message-ID: <199609240313.VAA29628@cyberhighway.net>
> I finally got a hold of the Rush tribute album. I've only
I just wet my pants! Where can I get this? Is it retail or some bootleg project? I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before (Rush, Rush, Rush!) vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv <I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out> < Just Another Sunday Morning > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IbzRG570 ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 21:45:10 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lotta Queensryche, some DTC Message-ID: <199609240443.VAA05385@pawn.ax.com>
Zach said thus in Ytsejam #1863:
>Business: what is the gerneral opinion on the QR boot of the San Jose >Arena show?
If you're speaking of a "Promised Land" show, why would you pay money to a bootlegger? That kind of defeats the purpose of 'ryche allowing for a tapers' section If you're interested in getting for nearly free, I'd suggest checking trade lists. I know Brian Cox has a bunch of 'em.
In #1865:
>Okay, idiot alert.....can someone e-mail me the name of the QR newsgroup? I >can't find it and I'm not sure if my ISP doesn't carry it, or if I'm just >not looking in the right place.
I believe it's rec.music.artists.queensryche
As for the Dream Theater versus Queensryche thing, I'm with the people who are thinking the debate is kind of silly. I mean, there's room enough for both in this world, at least in my music collection. ;) I think if one of them was just like the other, then it would get boring. For example, I've seen both bands live, and I loved both shows for very different reasons (Dream Theater likes to focus mainly on audio performance, aside from some light effects, whereas QR goes for the whole theatrical thing).
Anyhoo, that's my $.02 :)
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Gilmour/Samson) O/ \O
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 21:50:53 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Opinions, grammar, chains... Message-ID: <9609240450.AA18639@tengs1>
> Come on! Get off this heresy. If Green Day ever covered a DT song it > would suck, that is just because Green Day sucks. Just thinking about it > is making me ill.
Don't worry, I'm not going to try to change your mind anymore, because I realize it's closed tight. But if you insist on posting things like this, Pat, newcomers are going to think that we, the other members of the list, think it's ok to say things suck and leave their arguments at that. Remember, we're trying to *avoid* shortsightedness, ignorance, and broad generalizations, especially when there is no argument behind them.
shut the hell up |^)>
Among them you could find, if you were to look (fuck off mr. conditional tense),
Whoaaa, I think that was for me. <cringe>
As for that chain email, I sent it back to a bunch of the previous recipients with a nice little note (heh). I did get two replies back, which made me realize that I should've only sent it back to the preson who sent it to us because one person told me that she has no control on what her friends send to others. She was polite, so I sent her a polite reply. Someone else replied back that the incident was two weeks old and that I "wasn't her daddy". Sheeyah! Like *I* was the one who did something wrong! I didn't reply to that. Probably some freshman. That thing was stupid anyway.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:11:34 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Doodeedaa! Message-ID: <199609240511.WAA11913@m5.sprynet.com>
>Easy. LSoaD. Every bassist on this list better know it, too. :)
Go Mr. D-Man! We have a winner. :) Here's anudder one.
diga dum diga digadigadum dum digadigadum diga diga
Laterz!
Ben Laussade
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:36:30 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Doodeedaa! Message-ID: <199609240530.XAA17265@cyberhighway.net>
> diga <---delay? > dum diga > digadigadum dum digadigadum diga diga >
I thought Metropolis was posted once already! This is the part right after the last one. At least it fits.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv <I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out> < Just Another Sunday Morning > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IbzRG570 ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 02:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush-Rockline Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.960924023315.18358A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
I heard Rush ws on Rockline tonight. Did anybody catch it? None of the radio stations in the area had it. If anyone heard it, can you please discuss the highlights? Thanx.
Brandon (aka Taco Belhai)
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:42:51 -0600 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Visual Music++/prog marching band Message-ID: <324790FB.1EBF@mo.net>
Oh man. Come on. That one's easy. has to be Under a Glass Moon. With all this talk about Yes, it was reminding me of marching band way back in high school (well, between '88 and '92 anyway - seems like a lot longer than that). I remember one year (may have been the same year, but it was at least in consecutive seasons), fo the field show in marching band, we did "Roundabout" and "Bohemian Rhapsody" (before Wayne's World revived it some). Kicked some tail. A lot of fun (but one of the more challenging shows we had. Try marching, playing (I played trombone back then (still do some)), and staying in the right form at the same time with those songs. I think I may have had a solo in "Roundabout," too, but I'm not sure.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:47:45 -0600 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VM++ Message-ID: <32479221.21F6@mo.net>
Oops, I meant Metropolis. I waas thinking of the music for Metropolis, but UInder a Glass Moon came out of the keyboard. Sorry :). Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:02:32 +0200 From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior in USA Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960924070232.00699d00@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi all!
1) Thank you all again for supporting us!
2) It seems like it's taking effect! :) NOISE USA already seem to be thinking about the question how they should release the CD. There are 2 possible things how this could happen: a) by official release, b) by mail order companies. Naturally version a) would be better for us and for you because the CD would be sold MUCH cheaper and in a wider area. So here is my request for you: KEEP ON SENDING THEM EMAIL PLEASE! There is a good chance that they will do what we all want.
Thankyouverymuch.
Bye.
Bernd.
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