YTSEJAM Digest 1866
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Test For Echo CD-ROM
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
2) Re:technical grunge
by The Great Wally Llama <wdlehmku@hilltop.ic.edu>
3) "Most Frequent Poster List"
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) Trite, boring, wandering observations about the world.
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
5) VM dose #2 :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
6) Re: Visual Music++
by Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be>
7) Mail
by "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl>
8) Aggregate Sum
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
9) Visual Music++
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
10) Bass advice
by blane@nla.gov.au
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1865
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
12) Let the Journey eat the living shit out of me.
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
13) Re: Ibanez
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
14)
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
15) Re: what?
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
16) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1860
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
17) Re: stuff
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
18) Midi Files
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: 23 Sep 96 17:14:19 EDT
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Test For Echo CD-ROM
Message-ID: <960923211419_101352.3261_JHP107-2@CompuServe.COM>
I was wondering if anyone can confirm the existence of a CD-ROM version of
Rush's TFE in the US? Rumours say that it exists, someone at a record company
here says it does also, but to date, I have not seen a copy, anybody mention it,
or what is supposed to be on it if it does exists!
Anybody shed some light on it???????????????
Thanks,
Neil Elliott
Director -DTIFC
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:29:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Great Wally Llama <wdlehmku@hilltop.ic.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re:technical grunge
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92.960923161955.4816A-100000@hilltop.ic.edu>
I like Matt Cameron's drumming and think Soundgarden is super; but one
thing that bugs me is that "trash can lid CLANK" sound he has for his
snare on superunknown.
Also, I think the key to any type of music being praised, technical or
simple, is the emotional level of the band. Now, I'm not saying that all
bands need to be crying or screeming about how much the world sucks, one
can just tell if a band consists of "true musicians" or not. True
musicians put their heart into there work, and it shows........
Ok, I've said it, I'll get down from the soapbox now.
"Thank you for your time, Dr. Jekyll"
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"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:28:02 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Most Frequent Poster List"
Message-ID: <01BBA9A7.434134C0@Scotty.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
In my last post I mentioned my monthly "Most Frequent Poster List" :
> If you want the list to have a link to your homepage, just put an
> "URL:<your_homepage>" in the next message you send to the mailinglist :
>
> URL:http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
I realized not many people will actually use this option, so I decided
to make some changes in the program I wrote to create this list...
*ANY* URL you mention in your message(s) will make it to the next
"Most Frequent Post List" (that is, the *last* one you mentioned).
An "URL:<your_homepage>" line, anywhere in your message(s) (at the very
beginning of a line) will *ALWAYS* take precedence over any other URL.
Again, only the last one mentioned will make it to the list. When you
mention your homepage *this* way, the link will be displayed as BOLD.
If you don't have a homepage of your own, you can also use it as a way
to advertise your favourite site (or someone else's homepage).
Originally, the list will display your name or email-address...
You can change this to the name of your homepage (or whatever) with :
NAME:<the_name_of_your_homepage_(or_whatever)>
I really want the "Most Frequent Poster List" to be a cool place that
Jammers can use to visit eachother's homepages and e-mail other Jammers.
Let me know what you think by signing my guestbook :-)
Mark
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
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http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:35:14 GMT
From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
To: Gary Coleman Fan Club <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Trite, boring, wandering observations about the world.
Message-ID: <199609232135.VAA06008@pipe3.t2.usa.pipeline.com>
Hello from nice, cool Annapolis, MD. - where
the Navy is king, but act more like queens...
First of all, let me ask you, the reader, a question...
Where in the hell do get so much *time* to post
*so many* damn messages? I wish I had that
much time.
Secondly, someone get Dreamnday some tech
support before he loses his mind.
Thirdly, (this *is* getting old) I have received
(like they were *free* or something) some
new cds. Among them you could find, if you
were to look (fuck off mr. conditional tense),
Rush, Steve Vai, Mercyful Fate, Eric Johnson,
Y&T, old King Diamond, and more. Yes, I
spend quite a bit of my income on music. Anyway,
since most of you have read numerous reviews of the
majority of the aforementioned cds, I shall not
bore you further. But, I would like to recommend
the "new" Y&T disc, "Musically Incorrect." It is
a very solid record by a very solid band.
Some people might call them a bit of a chameleon
band, because to have been around since the
early 70's, one has to be...Considering they managed
to put out competent mid-80's hair rock, and retain
their dignity, they do quite well with the more raw
(but not grunge, mind you) rock sound of the
90's (which is but a regression to the album rock style
of the 70's, by way of 90's technology) and still retain
a signature sound.
Someone asked about which record to get of various bands.
Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Fates Warning - Parallels (if more prog-metal is desired, go with
Perfect Symmetry)
King Diamond - Them or maybe Abigail, both of which rage in
their musicianship, but Them is probably "cleaner" with regard
to sound density and precision, while Abigail's story is a bit
better.
Helloween - Time of the Oath, I guess, for that German Power
Metal vibe. Keepers Two for better vocals, and a little more
focus, but, on the other hand, K2 has a few silly songs.
I think perhaps this is long enough, and my title was quite apt.
I like the slightly heavier vibe of the new Rush (first couple of
tracks - which is all I have had a chance to listen to so far.
-- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:39:32 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: VM dose #2 :) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960923213932.006a03b0@mail.inlink.com>
> >Ching Ching Ching Ching > > Doo Dooooooooooooooo Doo >Doo Doo > Doooooooooooooooo > > Daaa >Chugadugadug Chuga Duhn > Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
not sure from the chings but the Doo's sure look like PMU :) ~Rip
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:48:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Visual Music++ Message-ID: <199609232148.XAA24919@ping1.ping.be>
Chugadug ? Ching, ching ? Yeah, gotta be good ol' Metropolis...
__ \ __/ | |eter
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:49:43 +0000 From: "Jan van Huizen" <aurora@mail.wirehub.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mail Message-ID: <199609232149.VAA07614@poindexter.wirehub.nl>
> From: ytsejam@ax.com > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1865
> 4.Could someone tell me how to reply from Netscape without RESENDING THE > WHOLE DAMN JAM?! > thank you, drive thorugh >
Maybe if you select only to what you want to reply ? It sure works with Pegasus, which I'm using. Get a better mail program like Eudora or Pegasus, which I'm using (deja-vu hehe).
See ya,
Aurora "Creative mother arouse us to know that we be not lost in the sands ..open our eyes"
The Eagle Nature / Cynic
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:00:22 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Aggregate Sum Message-ID: <199609232200.PAA17172@main.cfmc.com>
My take on the latest of the Dream Theater/Queensryche thing:
Y'know, Fates Warning has had a similar problem with this whole Queensryche comparison thing....in fact, they've had it worse, being constantly accused of being derivitive of Queensryche, which never really made much sense to me. We've got a couple of distinct bands here mining similar turf. This is not news.
At any rate, I'm one of those people who happens to like both bands. A lot. I wouldn't say that "Promised Land" really represented a massive falling off, though I agree with the folks who like "Empire" a little better. Also, "The Warning" and the first EP have a LOT of musical integrity...but the folks who've pointed out that they LOOK a little incongruous with those musical stylings are probably right. Remember, though, that the same sort of accusations tend to get fired off at Dream Theater....I prefer to ignore image where I can (that doesn't really work for, say, Kiss) and concentrate on the music.
Interestingly enough, this all relates a little to the whole alternative debate. I was in a band long ago....in LA, of all places. Laden with bands for whom image was the whole thing. Still, it was probably superior to what I remember Alternative music being (Depeche Mode, The Cure, Yaz). At any rate, I wasn't really listening to any of that stuff so much. But playing in an aggressive band that WASN'T hung up on image was odd -- we'd play bills with the odd glam band, punk band, or thrash band. I remember when I first heard bands like Soundgarden, Mother Love Bone, and Living Colour. This was exciting shit -- there were finally bands out there playing aggressive music that WEREN'T hung up on image...it was about musicianship and songwriting. That was seriously appealing to me. Playing in a band that didn't look like a bunch of tarts was suddenly acceptable...and there were other band like us, even if they were listening to Bad Religion and Faith No More (both of whom I really dig), rather than Rush, Zeppelin, and Floyd. For a couple of years, Alternative music helped create a really interesting musical landscape in LA. And brought a moderately progressive band closer to success that in any other environment.
So, returning to the main thrust of this little monologue, both bands have provided a lot of people with a fair amount of musical enjoyment, along with, in many cases, access to a musical community of like-minded folk. I don't mind this bashing around of the relative merits of both bands -- I think that kind of dialogue gets us all going in a good direction. But my take on this is that both bands are flying miles above the flight patterns most of the musical world is stuck in.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratitous CD's: ==================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Sublime: Living In A Boring Nation 3. Melissa Etheridge: Yes I Am 4. Dream Theater: Awake 5. Vijaya Anand: Asia Clasics, Vol. 1 -- The Film Music of India
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:40:18 +0300 From: vanzin@infinity.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Visual Music++ Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.23.-13.40.18.3163793292.117212@infinity.com.br>
Hey Chris,
YT>Okay... Lemme try. This one's kinda obvious, but fun to sing with a YT>couple people.
YT>Ching Ching Ching Ching
YT> Doo Dooooooooooooooo Doo YT>Doo Doo YT> Doooooooooooooooo
YT> Daaa YT>Chugadugadug Chuga Duhn YT> Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
YT> YT>-------------------------------------- YT>Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C. YT>Technical Support Engineer YT>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that, like, Metropolis??? (hehehe... "chugadugadug"... hahaha)
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html Always in the #ytsejam! ------------------------- This message was sent by INFINITY. IP:206.138.205.57 WWW:http://www.infinity.com.br
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:03:05 +0000 From: blane@nla.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bass advice Message-ID: <199609232305.JAA44877@email.nla.gov.au>
Hiya Ytsekiddies,
I am pondering buy a new bass, again, and am tempted to delve into the 6 string world. I am looking for something with a similar feel to the Fender Jazz (Mexican) bass of the 80's, as all of my basses have the same style of body and pick-ups etc. Any help would be greatlt appreciated, please email don't waste Jamwidth (unless its oh so worth it).
Brett
--------------------------------------------------------------- Brett Lane blane@nla.gov.au CSC Australia Phone: +61 6 262 1659 A Unit of Computer Sciences Corporation FAX: +61 6 273 2116
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:11:04 -0400 From: acook@tiac.net (acook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1865 Message-ID: <199609232311.TAA01537@zork.tiac.net>
> >>Actually, Yngwie said even nicer things than Mindcrimer! Yngwie actually >>called I&W brilliant, but he didn't like the "choice of beats" by MP. But he >>did complement the drumming in Under a Glass Moon. >> > >sorry bout that... i've got to watch out for these Yngwie quoters... theyre >everywhere! :) > ~Rip >
Yeah, I've just read that interview so many times and laughed I memorized it. Funny.
anyways...
As far as people saying "so and so band sucks" I think there is a place where you have to draw a line between what is good music, and what is opinion. I can't believe I live in a world where Green Day is rich and masters like Eric Johnson have recognition pretty much only within the guitar playing community. His playing is so pure and wonderful, it goes right to the soul. That is good music and (to be frank) looking at it from all angles, anybody who says it ain't is a fool...IMHO of course :)
<praying I don't start a flame war>...
Adam
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:21:04 -0400 From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Let the Journey eat the living shit out of me. Message-ID: <199609232319.TAA03949@link1.vastnet.net>
> From: Averon DoomHammer <hed@northnet.org> > > Hey! Did you guy's hear that Journey has a new album out? Holy BeGeezus!
NOT YET....October 22cd......
My God...I don't know If I could last!
Frank - The Holy Mojo of the Nile
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:59:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: vanzin@infinity.com.br Subject: Re: Ibanez Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960923195850.10884F-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Hey jammerz! > > YT> you're no longer ibanez. we already have another one. > YT> THE JAM JUST ISN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR 2 IBANEZES@! > YT> WHO IS THE REAL IBANEZ? > YT> WILL THE REAL IBANEZ +please+ STAND UP? > > Talkin 'bout that, where's Rob been? I want that rob.wav file, > it's a great solo. lost it when I bought my new computer. :P
I was over Rob's yesterday. We rehearsed for the con. :)
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199609240009.UAA28140@beasley.cris.com>
>From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> >Subject: Visual Music++ > >Okay... Lemme try. This one's kinda obvious, but fun to sing with a couple people.
Ah, yes. Metropolis.
-Rick Audet
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:51:16 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: what? Message-ID: <199609240045.SAA09509@cyberhighway.net>
> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com > From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: what?
> Ben wrote: > >>I just know > >>that Green Day could cover "take the time" with no problem. :)
Bah, hah, hah! I've been playing guitar for 3 years now and can barely get through the song screwing it up only 12 time through the whole thing (on guitar) Billy Jo Armstrong even admitted in a magazine article that he only knew how to play 3 chords and that he didn't even know which ones they were! Bah, hah, hah!
BTW, is everyone getting the Wait for Sleep midis OK? Mail me if yer not! vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv <I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out> < Just Another Sunday Morning > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IbzRG570 ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:51:16 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1860 Message-ID: <199609240045.SAA09551@cyberhighway.net>
> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:20:10 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com > From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1860
> From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com> > > >But I want to know what kind amp could I get for about $400-$500 range? I > >play bass I got my Crate BX-160 for about $350, it thumps real hard! It has built in compression and a chorus setting, bass and high freq boost and cranks out 150W (210 if stacked)
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv <I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out> < Just Another Sunday Morning > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IbzRG570 ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:51:16 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: <199609240046.SAA09615@cyberhighway.net>
> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:47:00 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-to: ytsejam@ax.com > From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: stuff
> So I'm as caught up as I can be. I just skimmed through the last 10 jams > or so and I have a few thoughts. bear with me, I know I'm behind. > 1.So who is the real Ibanez of the ytsejam? Apparently that other guy
To set things straight, my account on my server is ibanez@cyberhighway.net. I'm changing my sig to IbzRG570(the type of guitar I play) so we can all distinguish between the two of us.
'Nuff Said vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv <I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out> < Just Another Sunday Morning > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IbzRG570 ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:54:39 +0000 From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Midi Files Message-ID: <199609240048.SAA09945@cyberhighway.net>
Well, how'd everyone like the WfS file? I'm planning on doing a Surrounded one or an Eve one soon. I think I have fragments of Eve on disk somewhere....
If anyone else on the Jam has any DT midi files, please send them to me. I gather DT stuff up anywhere I find it. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv <I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out> < Just Another Sunday Morning > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IbzRG570 ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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