YTSEJAM Digest 1872
Today's Topics:
1) Dreg Compilation
by kurt@fgallery.com
2) Yngwie played by Green Day
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
3) Vaiquencer.
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
4) Re:Michael Angelo
by smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
5) Re: dean Castronovo
by smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
6) Rockline, etc.
by "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
7) WM cover art and fade-outs
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
8) re:zoom
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
9) Question regarding Warlock
by Dale Gantz <dgantz@nacs.org>
10) Top Ten Cool Subjects
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
11)
by Jeff Perrot <jperrot@siue.edu>
12) Re: New song titles. (110% DTC!)
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
13) Re: Serious Ibanez omission!
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) DT Doom
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
15) Awake Cover, penile ramblings, Suicide Sol'n? Vocal harmonizing in songs,
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
16) Re: catchy tunes vs. talent
by Andrew Berry <andy@aberry.demon.co.uk>
17) Re: DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
by "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com>
18) uhhh..
by svjohnson@amoco.com
19) Rush
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
20) The Suicide Solution (Disclaimer)
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:18:42 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dreg Compilation
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.25.-11.18.42.2916992174.346695@bbs.fgallery.com>
Can any of you guys recomend another band besides clockwork that is on
the dreg comp. .. y tried to dload the waves but i had no luck (my isp
sucks)
"They will catch,
my tears as i cry"-clockwork
weaving webs of time
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:55:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yngwie played by Green Day
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.960925215236.21023A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Not funny. Immagine I'm chasing you with one of Yngwie's guitars,
intending to use it as a club. Granted, you don't know what I look like,
but won't that be even more frightening. Later, Joker-extraordinare.
Stop now, or I'll rally the guitarists. TAke care and be well.
Matt B
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:32:16 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vaiquencer.
Message-ID: <199609260232.VAA08445@enteract.com>
>To all-
>I don't know, but I think all the piano on Fire Garden Suite and on
>Bangkok are sequenced....I don't know if Steve taught himself how to
>play, but I think it's sequenced. If it's not, the Steve IS a god.
>enough said,
>__________________________________________________
>"A real work of art destroys, in the consciousness of the receiver, the
>separation between himself and the artist."
> -Leo Tolstoy
>__________________________________________________
Steve is god regardless... but I would find it hard to believe that
those parts AREN'T sequenced... they sound too even... too fast...
and the volumes are all the same... no dynamics. Add that to the
fact that Steve has used sequencers on all his previous work.... :)
Hasta
Note: Even after that long flame at me a jam or so ago, I still took
my response to e mail... what, am I growing up or something?!
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:41:45 -0600
From: smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:Michael Angelo
Message-ID: <199609260341.VAA02117@nic.data.net.mx>
Hi there:
I met Michael Angelo in a clinic, right here in Mexico city, the guy
is amazing, he really kick ass with the guitar especialy with his double axe
one=A1=A1=A1. He played "No boundaries" at the beginig, i think is the=
greatest
perform i have ever seen. Anyway his CD "no boundaries" is great. i have his
autograph just behind ,my Van halen one and just behin yhe space for my
future autograph of John P. ( i hope so ).
See you guys=A1=A1=A1
Omar Rodriguez=20
smilodon@data.net.mx
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:41:53 -0600
From: smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: dean Castronovo
Message-ID: <199609260341.VAA02121@nic.data.net.mx>
Hi:
As far as i know he is a remarcable studio musician and he has
perform in several bands, i saw him play with Ozzy, he is a very good
drummer, very powerfull. You can hear him in some of the song of Steve Vai=
=B4s
Fire Garden.
See you
Omar Rodriguez
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:31:01 PST
From: "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rockline, etc.
Message-ID: <E328BC1E30@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
Fellow Jammers,
Just a couple of quickies. First, a note of congrats to Matt Masi
for getting on Rockline with Rush. What a "Rush" that must have been
(damn I hate it when bad puns sneak in...). Your question
was intelligent and pertinent. Secondly, I also play
an Ibanez. John's picture on the little tag made me do it I swear!
Lastly, when is the IRC thing happening? I'm usually on around 10 pm
to 2 am Pacific Time and I can't ever find the channel. What servers
do you guys use? Supra-lastily, is the Rush tribute album coming out
any time soon? Is it already out? Has this been gone over for years
on the Jam? Later.
Glenn
p.s. (you knew it had to come...) I don't know what those of you who
like the new EJ disc hear in it. I must be missing something quite
dreadfully because I just find it boring. Even the fast deedlee
deedlee shit...
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:32:11 -0600
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WM cover art and fade-outs
Message-ID: <m0v67C9-000RJ7C@mis01.micron.net>
did i miss it or has no one mentioned the cover art on working man? I've
had it for quite a while, but it hadn't occured to me that the cover is
kinda strange. What's the deal? does it have any meaning? I have only 1
rush album so I'm not very rush-educated.
Why do you suppose that DT started using fade-outs on I&W. I am very happy
with the fact that they had none on WDADU. I personally don't like them
and usually attribute them to the inability to write a decent song-ending.
I guess some are cool, but the one on TTT is especially frustrating, cause
JP is soloing, and all the sudden it starts fading out. I love JP solos
and feel like there was more to that solo that we can't here. there's
slightly more of it on the demo version, but not much. just a thought.
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 23:49:13 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re:zoom
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+TmTGmA@tcx.tcco.com>
| From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
| Subject: Re: zoom
|
| I wouldn't get anything made by zoom.
The guy I share an office with bought one of those Zoom mini practice amps.
Every once in a while, we'll plug in at lunchtime and I think it sounds great.
It was about $300 and comes with loads of cool effects. Not bad for such a
small package.
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:06:59 -0400
From: Dale Gantz <dgantz@nacs.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Question regarding Warlock
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960926050659.0067a434@mail.nacs.org>
>Hi there, I have seen a cd by Warlock (Mark Zonder's band before Fates
>Warning) and wonder if anyone out there knows if these guys are worth
l>istening to?
Warlock is definitely worth a listen, especially their album Triumph and
Agony. Doro Pesch does take some getting used to though...
Also, the airbrushed cover is rather wicked too.
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:16:28 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Top Ten Cool Subjects
Message-ID: <199609260416.VAA13761@m5.sprynet.com>
>11) This is because you are a dick.
> by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
I haven't read this yet, but I can tell already it's going to be good. :)
>but I REALLY
>CAN'T STAND an ASSHOLE who THREATENS THE JAM!
>
Or maybe it could be 2K of loud vulgarity and insults to a person that
wouldn't be able to figure out who to send the bill TO anyways. That post
had nothing to do with anything other than that guy....so my vote is dat it
shoulda been private E-Mail. :)
>> DT opinion: Mr. Sherinian will never be the force that Kevmo was in DT
>> on I&W, thereby reducing keys to support status, rather than co-lead
>> instrument forever in DT.......
>
Buullll. Watch Live in Tokyo, then watch the Awake PPV show. In which one
are the keys more prevalent? Did KevMo ever do a keyboard solo piece in a
show? (WFS not counted...you know what I mean :) Derek actually looked like
he was having fun. Kevin looked like he didn't want to be there. I'm really
looking forward to the new Derek stuff. I'll even say that as of now, I like
Derek better than KevMo. He just rocks more. BTW....have you actually Heard
anything with Derek besides ACoS? If not, how can you say stuff like that?
>> Kevin wears his heart on his sleeve, and nobody plays keyboard with
>> his sleeve like Kevin Moore does.
>
>This gets my vote for Ytse-Quote of the week.
>
>
Thanks for reposting that, Scotch...I didn't see it the first time. Now I
can put it in the Ytse-Quotebook. :)
>Maybe even give him a little vocal cadenza that we can all
>howl along with. Plus, live, it'd give James something to do during the
>instrumentals besides running around like a man possessed.
But that's so fun to watch. :) Either that, or give him some souped up
electric hooked-up-to-giant-amplifiers-with-a-bunch-of-distortion Kazoo. :)
Hmm....that might sound stupid, but it'd be damned cool. If he could get
something like that to use to make his voice sound like a different
instrument or synths or something, he'd never have to be bored during the
instrumental sections. Although, my guess is he needs the instrumentals,
otherwise his voice would be completely gone. It all works out. :)
Ben Laussade
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 23:22:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeff Perrot <jperrot@siue.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960925210916.56A-100000@cougar>
>My biggest problem is that when I explore new musical boundaries
>anymore, I caompare every band to DT! I can listen to anything and
>find myself going, "Hrm, this is okay, but it's no Dream Theater."
>My friend also has this problem. Is there counseling for this sort
>of thing?
The only advice I have to offer for your problem is to tell you that I do
the very same thing. I don't really mean to do it, it just happens. I
mean, I try to give any music a chance, but I just end up going back to
DT. Also, I go through stages -- like new DT stuff for a few weeks, then
back to old stuff. I like it all, it's just that when I'm listening to a
certain era of DT (new or older stuff), I get so into it that its hard for
me to pop in any other CD. Anyone else have that problem? Although it
doesn't happen very often, sometimes I don't even listen to DT at all for
a few weeks. Not that I mean to... Enough of this rambling...
See ya!
Jeff Perrot
haus@dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:55:16 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New song titles. (110% DTC!)
Message-ID: <199609260448.WAA00410@cyberhighway.net>
> Some people were complaining bout the new DT song titles, saying
> such things as:
> -they're wimpy
> -they're un-prog-like
> -the songs will suck.
Frankly,
I hope that some of the songs are wimpy and un-prog-like. Why are
we pinholing our band? They have written this stuff in the past, but
they can change too y'know? I happen to like wimpy songs. I think
James' singing is at his best in songs like Wait for Sleep and the
Intro and Outro for Surrounded. James has winderful control of his
voice and I'd love to hear them write a simple(for them anyway) and expressive song
like "Seven Sundays" or "Don't Leave Me Now." I think most can
agree with me that III Sides was one of their favorite(and perhaps
may still be) albums of all time and the variations of musical style
within are just incredible! Let's not expect DT to be something that
they may not want to be. Let's just sit back and wait and appreciate
them for whatever style they may pursue.
I guess that wasn't really that frank.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
<I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out>
< Just Another Sunday Morning >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IbzRG570
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:55:16 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Serious Ibanez omission!
Message-ID: <199609260448.WAA00395@cyberhighway.net>
> p.s. How many of guitar playing jammers play Ibanez? I play a jpm100p2!
I guess you can guess which one I play. I gotta get my computer to
quit farting at me! Damn new Monty Python CD! :P
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
<I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out>
< Just Another Sunday Morning >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IbzRG570
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT Doom
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960926010712.90178A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
I know this question is soooooo last year, but can someone e-mail
me privately about getting that DT version of Doom I heard so much about?
Thanks.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 22:12:45 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Awake Cover, penile ramblings, Suicide Sol'n? Vocal harmonizing in songs,
Message-ID: <9609260512.AA07708@tengs1>
Subject: Awake Cover
Then on the Awake cover I've made an interesting link: remember the old
greek statue ? In "Voices" it says '...the old man takes the poison...'.
This is, IMO a reference to Socrate, who was forced to drain the poisonous
cup. After all, the whole song has some sort of religious-antique
atmosphere. Again, coincidence ?
Could be, except that the statue is Michelangelo's _Moses_.
Subject: This is because you are a dick.
Disclaimers like that don't mean a damn thing, legally.
This isn't even close to something like a contractual agreement.
It's just ridiculous. (Hey, computer law might be the wave
of the future...)
Subject: The Suicide Solution...
Courageous or cowardly? Depends on the situation/person!
I used to think about doing it, not out of despair, or bravado,
but out of boredom--- wanting to see what was next because
this life was... uninteresting. I'll see in a few decades,
anyway, I decided... what's the hurry? *No* experience is
worthless, though there are a lot of worthless experiences (?).
Subject: Voices: Lemur & Labrie
(Damnit! I deleted the digest and forgot what I was going to say.)
This is such a (sic) cool idea-- hearing the human voice singing as just
an instrument is awesome to hear. Remember Geddy Lee singing "ahhh" at the
beginning of "2112"? Dream Theater needs to do this-- put James in the
instrumentals.
I didn't much care for it on Long Island Expressway.
Zach
Still going to the Concord G3 show on the 11th- the first one,
Woo Hoo! (I've always wanted to say that). Living near Satch's
home town has it's advantages !^)>
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:13:33 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Berry <andy@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: catchy tunes vs. talent
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0925081333-0b0evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
On Tue 24 Sep, raitz@guvatrak.ee wrote:
> >Apart from anything, there is *no way* that Green Day would ever be
> >able to pull off a DT cover. In the eyes of their fans they may be a
> >'good band' in terms of writing catchy music, but this is no
> >substitute for musical talent.
>
> this is no substitute. this is the real thing.
>
> the term "musical talent" doesn't mean you can play your instrument.
> in that case, drum machines would be the most talented drummers
> around.
OK. Point taken - maybe I should have phrased that differently.
> it means you can write music that pleases you and hopefully
> somebody else too. i think green day are a bunch of pseudo-punks who
> are talented enough to write those catchy tunes you don't like.
Actually, I do like some Green Day stuff, and I didn't say they're no good
at what they do. I merely said that their playing ability doesn't stand up
to doing DT covers. I respect bands for playing any type of music if they
do it well. In fact a *lot* of the bands I listen to are nowhere near as
talented (in terms of playing ability) as DT, but I get the same pleasure
from listening to them.
> hell, it's very difficult to write a driving 3-minute popsong using only
> those three chords. that's why i respect them. they know what they want
> to do and they're good at it. they know their limits.
In that case you'd realise that, as good as they might be at writing their
3-chord pop songs, and as much as we both respect them for doing it and
doing it well, they would not be able to play DT. That is above their limit.
> it's an extremely dangerous attitude to think that only prog
> qualifies as "good" music, or that it's the only reasonable music
> form. i've seen the tendency on the jam quite often and i'm very
> afraid.
Actually that's not what I was saying. If you remember, the original point
made was that of Green Day covering a DT song. In this case there is, as
I've said, no substitute for being able to play well. I made no comment
about Green Day's regular music, and I never said that just because they
don't have DT's talent they're no good.
> p.s. i don't like green day, nor do i listen to their music. i just
> respect them for being what they wanna be, no more, no less.
I understand that, but the comments you make about my original post make
it look as though I was trying to put down Green Day in some way. I would
never criticise them for doing what they do, because they do it well and
it's what they want to do. My comments were made regarding Green Day doing a
DT cover, and I stand by what I said.
Cheers,
-- +---- Andrew Berry --------------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk ----+ | Metal Links - 1140 links to 510 metal bands' pages across the internet | +--------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallist/ -----------------+ +- URLs wanted to be added to the list - mailto:andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk -+------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:59:09 +0000 From: "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DREG Records compilation and Clockwork Message-ID: <1368391009-849391@hutman.com>
> From: kurt@fgallery.com > > Cool!! hey i heard the wav of reflections and for me it was a nice > surprise .hehe to hear the new singer and all.. well i hope the new one > is even better and can help you reach your goals.. best wishes..and stil > waiting for your new cd..!! ):)\
The vocals on the new version of "Reflections" are outstanding...the 30 second sound clip doesn't do it justice...
-steve DREG Records
************************************************** DREG Records homepage: http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
Featuring the best in new Progressive Rock/Metal **************************************************
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 09:05:43 -0500 From: svjohnson@amoco.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: uhhh.. Message-ID: <199609261406.AA17518@interlock.amoco.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: visuals >Message-ID: <199609241522.AA21120@interlock.amoco.com> > > Could we keep the visual music shit to private e-mail? It's been done > once, already. I was hoping everyone got their fill then. LATER- > > Steve MMMMMMMMMMMRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! Hey, isn't this the same person who had the autoreply messages sent to the jam for several weeks??? Hmm.................. -Maddy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee, Maddy, you are perceptive!!! But, you see, that was a MISTAKE. NOT intentional like this visual bullshit. Get it? Steve
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:56:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.960926104920.25280A-100000@christa.unh.edu>
I woke up this morning to the Rudh song, Test for Echo. Even in a semi-conscious state, I enjoyed it. After the tune ended the DJ said that "you should get out a check Rush out when they come around because this may be the last time together." I can't believe this. The radio DJ said that this was turned on by a lack in album sales. He also said that Alex and Geddy were really getting into their side projects. It will be a dark day for progressive rock if Rush calls it quits. I haven't liked their past stuff, but the new album, I like. Can anyone confirm or hopefully, discomfirm what I heard? Tony
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:18:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net> To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Suicide Solution (Disclaimer) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960926101300.32022B-100000@scc.net>
My post about suicide being a cowardly thing to do needs a little disclaimer:
I was only talking about "mentally-healthy" people committing suicide, not mentally-ill people. The mentally-ill who commit suicide are not cowards by any stretch of the imagination, since they are not thinking in their right minds at the time.
My thanks to an anonymous jammer who set me straight on this issue.
- Dr. Teeth
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