YTSEJAM Digest 1869
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
by maddy@enteract.com (Madelaine)
2) football :)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
3) re:visuals
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
4) St. Louis Rush SHow
by Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
5) Re: Anthony G Lasorsa
by Ace McNeely <Surfninja@colby.edu>
6) zoom
by David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
7) re: TIAMAT
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
8) dump
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) VAI-Fire Garden
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) Re: First impressions, & KevMo
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
11) VM/Lemur Voice/IAW cover
by Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be>
12) opinions are calculated or maybe not
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
14) My last visual moosic.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
15) Re: football :)
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1866
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
18) Deen Castronovo
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
19) Working Man
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:07:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: maddy@enteract.com (Madelaine)
To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
Message-ID: <199609241807.NAA28716@enteract.com>
>
>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 10:21:47 -0500
>From: svjohnson@amoco.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: visuals
>Message-ID: <199609241522.AA21120@interlock.amoco.com>
>
> Could we keep the visual music shit to private e-mail? It's been done
> once, already. I was hoping everyone got their fill then. LATER-
>
> Steve
MMMMMMMMMMMRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!
FFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
Hey, isn't this the same person who had the autoreply messages sent to the
jam for several weeks???
Hmm..................
-Maddy
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: football :)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609241427.A28157-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> Subject: stuff
>
> >Then again, we're talking about a Redskins fan. ;-)
> I suppose you like a NY team? What more can be said?
Hey, it's not *my* fault I was born in NY! :) At least the Giants beat
the Jets. (WHEW!) You know, they were going to call that game the
Toilet Bowl, but it wasn't played in Flushing. (Ouch! Come back to NY!)
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:25:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re:visuals
Message-ID: <199609241825.OAA16769@beasley.cris.com>
>From: svjohnson@amoco.com
>Subject: visuals
>
> Could we keep the visual music shit to private e-mail? It's been done
> once, already. I was hoping everyone got their fill then. LATER-
>
> Steve
Aw, come on. Lighten up, wouldja? It's fun. Have some once in a while. :-)
-Rick
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 13:28:32 CDT
From: Jay Runde <jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: St. Louis Rush SHow
Message-ID: <199609241829.LAA17722@pawn.ax.com>
I am going to be going to the St. Louis Rush Show on October 31 and Kiel.
I was wondering how security is there since I haven't ever been there
before. I was going to try to tape the show with my D8 and Cores if
security isn't too tight.
--
James Runde - Glenayre One Glenayre Way Quincy, IL 62301
jrunde@glenqcy.glenayre.com
Compassion -- that's the one thing no machine ever had. Maybe it's
the one thing that keeps men ahead of them. -- McCoy, stardate 4731.3
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:25:50 -0400
From: Ace McNeely <Surfninja@colby.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Anthony G Lasorsa
Message-ID: <199609241927.PAA19580@golden.brown.edu>
At 10:57 AM 9/24/96 -0700, Tony G wrote:
>>
>I was just scanning through ytsejam digest #1854 and I saw that someone,
>adam barnhart, mentioned Menudo. This past 4th of July, I blew up an old
>menudo record that my mother gave to me before I could talk. "Like a
>Cannonball" HEE HEE HEE. One M-80 did the trick:-)
I am appauled by this outrage! How could you "blow up" such a fine
piece of art, such a fine relic of our society's inherent desire to exploit
child prodigy. And son, don't you know that M-80's are illegal in New
Hampshire! Why you could blow your eyes out with one of those things!
I have a bunch of live DT and the only draw back
>would be the vocals. JL was screaming 70% of the time and was off key
>about 45-50% of the time.
Give our boy some credit, he was on key.
Ace,
Lover of the three B's: Beef, Beer, and Blowjobs.
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:47:16 -0500
From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: zoom
Message-ID: <32483AC4.4537@gold.tc.umn.edu>
I'm thinking about getting a zoom 505. Does anyone have any experience
with this or any other zoom product?
E-mail me if you do.
dtc: I downloaded the DT theme for windows and it is pretty darn neat.
David
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 14:01:23 MDT
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: TIAMAT
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+Y52Gma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
Since no-one has commented on Frederico's request for suggestion about TIAMAT
I'll have a go.
TIAMAT are a Scandinavian death metal band gone good. Their first releases
are pretty much in the death camp (Astral Sleep, Clouds, Sleeping Beauty-Live
in Israel). Some use of atmosphere keys and some cool song construction.
Vocals are grind style and lyrics deal with typical death metal topics (some
satanic stuff). With the release of Wildhoney in 1995 (on Century Media) the
line-up has changed and the TIAMAT sound is still there but has been moved
into an awesome plane. TIAMAT is now in the death/doom-prog category and
could be compared to heavy metal-Pink Floyd. Songs are long and usually slow
(doom) with rich keys, excellent guitar work and amazing construction. There
are many instrumental pieces on the CD and most form short to intermediate
bridges between songs. Vocals are harsh but not really grind and the lyrics
are far more interesting and compelling. As you can tell I am very impressed
with the development of this band and I recommend Wildhoney to anyone who
likes intelligent, melodic and atmospheric death or doom.
Sorry, no DTC.
Kevin D.
Playing recently -
1. AMORPHIS - Elegy
2. BLACK JESTER - Welcome to the Moonlight Circus
3. TEA IN THE SAHARA - Behind the Door
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:31:39 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dump
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960924203139.006ab71c@mail.inlink.com>
you know what i hate? taking numbers off public services and re-arranging
them to make 2112, then going back the next day to find some dick took the 2
and made it say 311. dont get me wrong, because i for one like 311, but
2112 to 311? boooooooo. :)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: VAI-Fire Garden
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960924143303.29032B-100000@bdmserver>
Just got Fire Garden and this cd is awesome...
Is it just me or does Steve sound like Gary Cherone (Extreme) on All
About Eve?
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:44:31 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: First impressions, & KevMo
Message-ID: <199609242043.NAA15775@ichips.intel.com>
Partha said:
>More DT thought: it's one that i bring up periodically, so bear with me if
>you've seen it before....methinks Pearl Jam has gone down in the three
>albums since "10", and i know I'm not alone....me-also-thinks that I&W is
>tied for best album ever (with U2 joshua tree and Pete Gabriel So), and
>that awake was a bit of a let down, and I was just wondering, is it
>HEALTHY to really like an early album by a band and then compare the rest
>of its work to that single piece of work??
This is a real problem I have, too. No, I don't think it's healthy, and
yet I do it to all the bands I love. Operation:Mindcrime was my introduction
to Queensryche, and nothing has compared since. Van Halen's first was my
introduction to VH, and nothing has compared except for 5150, after which
nothing from the Sammy era has compared with that. I agree with you about
Pearl Jam: Ten was their peak. And, like you, I&W is simply a masterpiece
to me that will be nearly impossible to top (it is still numero uno in my
car tape deck three years after I got it, whereas Awake only lasted about
3 months).
I hate myself for doing this. I wish I could judge each album based on its
own merits. But no matter how hard I try, I can't do it. The closest I can
come is to not even think about the next album, and try not to get psyched
about it. By keeping my expectations low (or even nonexistant), then I can
kind of treat a new album like a separate entity. Usually doesn't work,
though. =)
>
>Or, as with rush, once there's enough DT material out there, will I and we
>be able to separate DT into different phases, and enjoy each on its own
>merits...........
I hope this is the case, but Rush is kind of a different beast with me
because I got into them relatively late. Going and buying 3 or 4 old
Rush albums at once in order to add to my collection, and then listening
to each several times and deciding which ones I really like, is quite a bit
different then listening to a latest release for months on end until a new
one comes out. So I now can think of about a half-dozen Rush albums that
I think are tops (including my first one, Presto), but I still have the
same problem: none of their recent ones have stood up to these old faves.
>
>DT opinion: Mr. Sherinian will never be the force that Kevmo was in DT
>on I&W, thereby reducing keys to support status, rather than co-lead
>instrument forever in DT.......
You're a brave man. Get ready for all the "get over it, Kev's gone, Derek
is DT's choice, they'll be awesome!!!" posts. But you know what? I'm
brave, too, and I'm going to agree with you. Kevin was one of the
strongest songwriters in the group, and as a result he couldn't help
but take the keyboard to a prominent role in many of the songs. While
I don't doubt Derek's ability as a keyboard player, I don't think
Kevin's abilities as a songwriter can be replaced so easily. I, too,
predict that we will see less prevalence of the keyboards, at least
initially, until Derek is more comfortable with providing and following
through with his own musical ideas as Kevin obviously was.
While I'm on the subject, excuse me while I go on a tangent about my
favorite keyboard player. IMVHO, Kevin Moore is one of a kind. From
what little I have seen (ok, just LiT =), Kev seems to me to be a jerk.
He has an attitude. But damn if some of the world's best artists haven't
had an attitude, and I think KevMo is no exception. Not only that, but
that attitude comes across so well in both his keyboard playing and his
songwriting. My favorite DT song of all time is still Only a Matter of
Time, and in fact I always think of WDADU as the high point of Kev's
musical career, simply because by listening to his music on that disc, I
somehow get the impression that he was happy during this time (am I the
only one who hears the second strain in OaMoT, and always sees a young
Kevin Moore, full of dreams of making it big in music, practicing a
keyboard in his bedroom? <"In a dimly lit room with a stool as his
stage...">).
Likewise, when he's feeling melancholy we get Wait for Sleep, when he's
feeling spiritual we get Surrounded, when he's feeling frustrated we get
6:00, and when he's feeling depressed we get Space Dye Vest. Kevin wears
his heart on his sleeve, and nobody plays keyboard with his sleeve like
Kevin Moore does. The result is simply a work of art.
I think it was this same honesty he has with his music that caused him to
realize he didn't like where he was going and to change musical directions.
This one decision has made me sad, frustrated, and upset, but at the same
time makes me respect and admire him even more (which in turn makes me
even more upset that he's no longer in my favorite band =).
Sadly, these opinions of mine, coupled with the problem I mentioned above
about not being able to judge a new work without comparing it to past ones,
probably means that Derek Sherinian is in a no-win situation with me. I'm
going to do my best to see that doesn't happen, but it's not looking good
at this point (the one shot at songwriting for DT we have seen from him
is, IMO, inferior to the original DT material it replaced. Namely, the
changes to the middle of ACOS and his ensuing keyboard solo just don't
compare to one of my all-time-favorite Dream Theater moments (yep, I've
got some too, Mike Bahr =), which is the intense keyboard/guitar/double-bass
sixteenth note extravaganza about 17:00 minutes into the old version of
ACOS (sometimes commonly referred to as the neoclassical section)).
Anyway, enough of my rambling. I'm really sorry about the length, I had
intended to only write brief replies to Partha's comments, really I was. =)
Tell ya what, I'll leave out my sig for punishment, k?
Jim
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:52:04 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: VM/Lemur Voice/IAW cover
Message-ID: <199609242052.WAA07970@ping1.ping.be>
> doo
> doo
easy, Wait For Sleep
I've ordered Lemur Voice's "Insights" yesterday, before it's even released
(here in Belgium), or at least they don't have in the stores yet. I have no
idea what to expect, so I rely on the good taste of you guys :)
*but now for something completely different* Don't you guys love DT's album
artwork ? I've been thinking about the drawing/picture on the cover of the
IAW cd. This is what I've come up with. Ok, so there is a burning heart,
which is explained in the FAQ. The Majesty symbol is clear also. The rest is
IMO:
Bed --> Wait for sleep
Moon --> Under a glass moon (moon is behind window, or 'glass':
"under a glass moonlight")
OR --> Wait for sleep ("standing by the _window_, eyes upon the
_moon_", co=EFncidence ?)
Bird --> Pull me under ("watch the sparrow falling")
Mirror --> Surrounded ("by a candle stands a mirror": burning heart
might equal candle (???))
=20
Then on the Awake cover I've made an interesting link: remember the old
greek statue ? In "Voices" it says '...the old man takes the poison...'.
This is, IMO a reference to Socrate, who was forced to drain the poisonous
cup. After all, the whole song has some sort of religious-antique
atmosphere. Again, co=EFncidence ?
Other opinions/ideas ?
Seeya
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:14:33 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: opinions are calculated or maybe not
Message-ID: <199609242145.AAA29606@pepe.online.ee>
>you've seen it before....methinks Pearl Jam has gone down in the three
>albums since "10", and i know I'm not alone....me-also-thinks that I&W
>is tied for best album ever (with U2 joshua tree and Pete Gabriel So),
>and that awake was a bit of a let down, and I was just wondering, is
*snip*
>DT opinion: Mr. Sherinian will never be the force that Kevmo was in DT
>on I&W, thereby reducing keys to support status, rather than co-lead
>instrument forever in DT.......
wow! this is amazing. the first post that i have to COMPLETELY
disagree with. about pearl jam, about "images and words" and about
derek, too. :-)
i'm breathless. this just isn't possible. there's got to be something
for me to agree with. lemme read again... :-)
james labrie could never fill charlie dominici's shoes... ;-)
opinions are calculated, immune to openness.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:57:16 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
Message-ID: <3248836C.1715@dreamt.org>
>Can anybody tell me what band Deen Castronovoa is from. He plays drums
>on the Working Man CD and is pretty good. Also are there any members
>from Shadow Gallery on The Working Man CD? Thank YouDeen played for Ozzy, and I believe he is in G//Z/R 9either him or Randy.
Damn, I can never remember)
later--------------Brian
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:04:38 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My last visual moosic.
Message-ID: <199609242204.PAA08790@m5.sprynet.com>
>I thought Metropolis was posted once already!
>This is the part right after the last one. At least it fits.
I'm afraid not.
> diga
> dum diga
> digadigadum dum digadigadum diga diga
>
This is all done by one instrument, and height of the syllables=pitch.
>
> dee
> dee
>dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee
> dee dee dee dee dee
Wait For Sleep.
>Could we keep the visual music shit to private e-mail? It's been done
> once, already. I was hoping everyone got their fill then. LATER-
Until someone gets a better idea, nope.
>I'm gonna hafta say UAGM...
Winner!
Later. :)
Ben Laussade
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:04:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: football :)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960924180418.18361D-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> > From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> > Subject: stuff
> >
> > >Then again, we're talking about a Redskins fan. ;-)
> > I suppose you like a NY team? What more can be said?
>
> Hey, it's not *my* fault I was born in NY! :) At least the Giants beat
> the Jets. (WHEW!) You know, they were going to call that game the
> Toilet Bowl, but it wasn't played in Flushing. (Ouch! Come back to NY!)
Ahem.
As the only Philadelphian, let me be happy to say that WE ARE IN
FIRST PLACE, BABY.
so there. ;p
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:47:50 +0000
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
Message-ID: <32482CD6.1D68@earthlink.net>
>
> Can anybody tell me what band Deen Castronovoa is from. He plays drums
> on the Working Man CD and is pretty good. Also are there any members
> from Shadow Gallery on The Working Man CD? Thank You
>
check out Deen on Ozzy Osbournes Ozzmosis, aside from that I don't
know what he's doing.
cheers
stan
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1866
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.960924191843.21474C-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Hey guitarists,
I'm thinking about looking into buying an accoustic. I want one
that will play fast, but retain good tone. I like the sounds of
McLaughlin and Dimeola accoustically. Email me private-like if you have
suggestions. Thanks. Take care and be well.
Matt B
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:41:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Deen Castronovo
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960924193453.106862A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Some one responded to my review of "Working Man" by asking what
band Deen comes from. Well, he is probably most famous for his work with
the band Bad English, who had a big hit in the late 80s called "When I
See You Smile." But the best work I've heard him do (besides on "Working
Man") is on the only album put out by Hardline called "Double
Eclipse." You should still be able to find it in some of your better
record stores. He absolutely rips it up on this album. Actually, the band
itself is one of the best hard rock bands I've ever heard and features
Journey's very own Neal Schon on guitar. Great stuff. Oh, and I think
Deen played on the last Ozzy album too.
Richie
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:39:57 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man
Message-ID: <199609250033.SAA02205@cyberhighway.net>
Well, I found the Rush tribute album.
Let's just say that I was impressed. This has to be the truest
tribute album I've ever heaard. Those Eagles ones and stuff don't
hold the enthusiasm that these guys show for their bands. My only
disappointment is in the production sound. I realize this must have
been a low-budget thing, or that they were trying to reproduce the
original 70's Rush sound, but I really hate the lo-fi thing. My fav
tracks are Mission (Eric Martin's vox are great!) Closer to the
Heart (Fates will always rule!) YYZ (is that the same James Murphy
from Testament?!? Wowser, I never would have thought...), La Villa
Strangiato (Yes!), and Red Barchetta (James does an excellent job!)
Don't falme me please when I say the Mike sort of does drown the
songs (I think this is a mix glitch) with the drumming, but it is
very intense!
Also, I bought the latest Eric Johnson CD today as I heard people
recommending it. Add my recommendations to that list, it's a great
album! (Venus Isle)
See ya' laterz!
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
<I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out>
< Just Another Sunday Morning >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IbzRG570
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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