YTSEJAM Digest 1876
Today's Topics:
1) Rockline/Tribute
by Averon DoomHammer <hed@northnet.org>
2) Rockline/Tribute
by Averon DoomHammer <hed@northnet.org>
3) Re: DT Lite, more DT
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Drum Machines
by Tim Caudill <symmetry@usaor.net>
6) Working Man art
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
7) Prog-metal radio set list #1........
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
8) Re: Prog-metal radio set list #1........
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
9) Fade-Outs, Eric Johnson, Jalapenos, Chocolates, Fade-outs redux
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1858 (aot)
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
11) Visual Music/ Lemur Voice Info
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875
by maddy@enteract.com (Madelaine)
13) Savatage Live in Japan
by bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
14) Rush in Balt/DC
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
15) DT songs influenced by Rush songs
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
16) Mission: Impossible
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:06:08 -0700
From: Averon DoomHammer <hed@northnet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rockline/Tribute
Message-ID: <324B52B0.2B19@northnet.org>
Hello!
I haven't read all my back Jams yet, so I don't know if this has
been answered. Did anyone ask Alex and Geddy about the Tribute when they
were on Rockline? I wonder what they had to say.
And one other thing...why are Alex and Geddy always interviewed
together, but Neil is sometimes left out? I mean, you always see "Alex &
Geddy" or "Alex, Neil, and Geddy" but never "Geddy and Neil" or "Neil and
Alex" in an interview headline. Check out the new "Guitar" magazine, it
just AL and GL. Is this just a plain moronic question?
Well, while I was at work tonight, I had Awake playing on the
tape deck. I was the only one working, and it was cranked up so loud, I
was dancing around, making subs, washing dishes, you know. The whole
"Crank DT while the boss isn't around at work" thing. Anyways, I guess I
woke up all the tennants in the apartments upstairs! Kind of
coincidental, isnt it? I AWAKENED the upstairs tennants while listening
to AWAKE! Wow! Funny place, This Island Earth!
-Chris
"Man, they are a lot of fine looking women in the world, but not all of
them love you enough to bring you lasagna. Most of 'em just cheat on you"
-Silent Bob-
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:07:24 -0700
From: Averon DoomHammer <hed@northnet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rockline/Tribute
Message-ID: <324B52FC.22DA@northnet.org>
Hello!
I haven't read all my back Jams yet, so I don't know if this has
been answered. Did anyone ask Alex and Geddy about the Tribute when they
were on Rockline? I wonder what they had to say.
And one other thing...why are Alex and Geddy always interviewed
together, but Neil is sometimes left out? I mean, you always see "Alex &
Geddy" or "Alex, Neil, and Geddy" but never "Geddy and Neil" or "Neil and
Alex" in an interview headline. Check out the new "Guitar" magazine, it
just AL and GL. Is this just a plain moronic question?
Well, while I was at work tonight, I had Awake playing on the
tape deck. I was the only one working, and it was cranked up so loud, I
was dancing around, making subs, washing dishes, you know. The whole
"Crank DT while the boss isn't around at work" thing. Anyways, I guess I
woke up all the tennants in the apartments upstairs! Kind of
coincidental, isnt it? I AWAKENED the upstairs tennants while listening
to AWAKE! Wow! Funny place, This Island Earth!
-Chris
"Man, they are a lot of fine looking women in the world, but not all of
them love you enough to bring you lasagna. Most of 'em just cheat on you"
-Silent Bob-
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 20:52:23 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Lite, more DT
Message-ID: <9609270352.AA02446@tengs1>
> Some people were complaining bout the new DT song titles, saying
> such things as:
> -they're wimpy
> -they're un-prog-like
> -the songs will suck.
Frankly,
I hope that some of the songs are wimpy and un-prog-like. Why are
we pinholing our band? They have written this stuff in the past, but
they can change too y'know? I happen to like wimpy songs. I think
James' singing is at his best in songs like Wait for Sleep and the
Intro and Outro for Surrounded. James has winderful control of his
voice and I'd love to hear them write a simple(for them anyway) and expressive song
like "Seven Sundays" or "Don't Leave Me Now."
I have a friend who thinks like that. He's a rocker (head-bangs
to Metallica and all), but he says that he thinks Dream Theater
does better with the softer stuff. His favorite song is
"Surrounded". My favorite soft DT song is SDV. Change the lyrics,
or omit them, and this is the song that I want played at my
funeral.
***
OK. I'm dropping my pride and admitting my faults and asking for help in
redeaming myself. Can you guys direct me to all the DT stuff (of at least
reasonable quality) that's not Awake, IaW, or ACoS? I've only been a
dedicated phan for about a year now and need help going into depth.
Live at the Marquee is a definite, plus the Live in Tokyo
VHS tape. If you're into boot collecting, then The Dance of
Eternity is a must get: it has the _original_ version of ACOS
(I like the new one better, but the old one has its moments).
Lords of Sound is also great (has the "Puppies on Acid" intro
to Take the Time that later became the intro to The Mirror),
as is Lost in the Sky. Mind Control is an excellent boot from
the last tour that has "Another Crack in the Mirror" intro
to The Mirror, as written by Derek (I love it). And though
Grinder thinks that Tim Lodge's CDs are overpriced, I think
they are great--- I pay the same here in the Bay Area for
single-CD boots (I know, Jenniebear, I know, why am I supporting
bootleggers? *sigh*). TafN...
Zach
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:22:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.960926231135.29835A-100000@enteract.com>
How DARE you rip on the "Naked Blue Guy Motif"?!?
I just thought that would be fun to say.
Ben... is that Surrounded? The beginning piano part? Ah, well, probably
not, because the high doo's would probably be dee's, descending a major
fourth to da, down one step (to the fifth) to doo, and finally the octave
of dee, which is duh.
As for TTT fading out, HEY! I sort of agree. I don't know why I'm
yelling though. I think it's because on LiT you can hear the long
instrumental fade out of TTT and if you pump up your stereo at the end of
TTT to stretch the fade out out (does that make sense?) you can hear a lot
of the same solos. I can't remember if you hear them on I&W, but on the
demo that's on the Silent Man single you can hear a lot of the fade out
solos. So I think they were going for the "Jam" out ending... not a lack
of ability in writing an ending to a song... and I think that's
legitamate. I prefer long songs with good solid endings, but it never
really BOTHERED me to hear a fade out. Every song ends... even Fates
Warning's new album, the 60 minute song, which I bought at Walmart today
for $7.99. (Just Kidding. I know Carlo and some of the other Fates
fanatics on the list would have a massive coronary if I left it at that!)
Take care guys. (::Looks back at his post and sees MOSTLY DT content!::)
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Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C.
Technical Support Engineer
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T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:23:12 -0400
From: Tim Caudill <symmetry@usaor.net>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Drum Machines
Message-ID: <01BBAC0A.18AF1B40@dyn204.usaor.net>
Hey all,
Don't mean to harp on this subject...but any guitarists and/or =
songwriters out there who use drum machines for composing and/or =
recording, please e-mail me about this subject.
I'd like to get a drum machine, but i know next to nothing about them. =
Please let me know what kind you use, and how you'd suggest i learn =
about them.
Eagerly awaiting knowledge,
Tim
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:51:31 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man art
Message-ID: <324b5679.2701321@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:32:11 -0600
>From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
>did i miss it or has no one mentioned the cover art on working man? I've
>had it for quite a while, but it hadn't occured to me that the cover is
>kinda strange. What's the deal? does it have any meaning? I have only 1
>rush album so I'm not very rush-educated.
The clock carried by one of the figures is set to 5:06 PM,
which would fall within the beginning of the afternoon Rush hour. :)
There's your Rush linkage!
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:54:43 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog-metal radio set list #1........
Message-ID: <31F9A112.6654@earthlink.net>
Whats up guys,
I just broadcast my first 2-hour progressive metal radio show as a
student DJ here at Manhattan College/College of Mount St. Vincent in
Riverdale, NY (border of Bronx/Westchester). The night before I took an
inventory of all of the different
music I listen to and was amazed to find out that I came up with 440
CD's and 115 different bands!!!! All PROGRESSIVE except for about 9 or
10! I could not believe how many great bands I couldn't fit into my
first show. I'm planning an instrumental show too so that's gonna be
pretty sick...no alternashit in sight.
Anyway, I just thought it would be interesting to post my playlist
each week to hopefully open you guys up to some newer international
progressive metal bands and also to show that this music is alive and
well in my little corner of the universe. Its gonna be the most intense
2 hours radio has ever known!
Of course you know that I just had to open my very first show with
one of the most intense progressive epics I know..none other than "The
Ivory Gate of Dreams" by FATES WARNING (Quietus conquers all!) ....my
program manager kinda flipped when I told him my first song was over
20-minutes long...they better get used to it! Anyhow, here's the
list..I just wish I could broacast this with a more powerful
antenna..this music needs a lot more support than the ten people that
were probably listening to me!
This is the exact order in which they were played.
FATES WARNING: "The Ivory Gate of Dreams"
ANGRA: "Nothing to Say"
ATTACK: "In the Gloom"
BLIND GUARDIAN: "Somewhere Far Beyond"
CONCEPTION: "Roll the Fire"
CRIMSON GLORY: "Eternal World"
DAMN THE MACHINE: "The Mission"
DREAM THEATER: "Only a Matter of time"
ELEGY: "Spanish Inquisition"
HELSTAR: "Abandon Ship"
IRON MAIDEN: "Phantom of the Opera"
LEMUR VOICE: "Prime of Passion"
MERCURY RISING: "Minute Man"
WATCHTOWER: "The Eldritch"
SANCTUARY: "Die for my Sins"
QUEENSRYCHE: "Queen of the Ryche" <-- This closed out the show
PERFECTLY!!
I know I left A LOT of bands out....they'll make it on next week or the
week after. The DJ before me plays Country and the DJ after me plays
reggae...thats a pretty drastic switch in formats so I might as well
make the music as insane as possible for the three crickets that are
picking me up.
I'll post my next list next week...hope some of you check these bands
out because they are too good to pass up.
later,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
--
_
__| |__
"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
|_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic music"
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 1:12:40 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog-metal radio set list #1........
Message-ID: <9609270512.AA26492@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, man. You think you have it bad. This year, my prog rock show follows the
football game and is followed by a rap/hiphop show. What a mix.
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 03:04:24 -0400
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fade-Outs, Eric Johnson, Jalapenos, Chocolates, Fade-outs redux
Message-ID: <19960927070422165.AAA196@ras2.fxn.com>
>From: maddy@enteract.com (Madelaine)
>>From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
>>Subject: WM cover art and fade-outs
>>
>>Why do you suppose that DT started using fade-outs on I&W. I am very happy
>>with the fact that they had none on WDADU. I personally don't like them
>>and usually attribute them to the inability to write a decent song-ending.
>>I guess some are cool, but the one on TTT is especially frustrating, cause
>>JP is soloing, and all the sudden it starts fading out. I love JP solos
>>and feel like there was more to that solo that we can't here.
>>
Whoah.. I never took notice of that! And now that I think about it... yeah!
Cool! You learn something new everyday... And you're right about the solo
in TTT. *Right* after the last note fades out, and where the on the live
version it continues, JP plays one of my favorite licks of all time - MAJOR
bummer... until I remember all those "imported" CDs I have. :)
>I think a lot of times that has to do with the decision of the producer, not
>necessarily the band. I mean, when they play live, they _can't_ really use
>fade outs, thus meaning that they either have to use the ending they
>originally wrote for the song, make something up, or just turn it into a jam
>leading into the next song... :)
>
What the hell are you talking about?!!??!?!?!? My old band could play songs
that faded out live!!! What used to do was give the sound-man our set-list
and we'd asterik the songs we wanted to fade out. Then he'd take the master
fader on the mixing board and slowly slide it down to "zero" as we played
the outtro!
>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>Subject: EJ
>
>i like it for the simple fact that its wonderfully orchestrated and really
>pulling on the emotions. Its no guitar wank album, i dont even look at it
>as a "guitarrist" cd, i just think the tunes are really lush and reach out.
>
d00d! You said it!! It's just a CD chock-full o' great music, but it just
so happens there's some wheedlee-dee guitar on it. :) And you know what? I
love great music and I love wheedlee-dee guitar. Now doesn't combining two
different things you really like in one place kick ass? :) Except this
line of logic might not work for jalapeno peppers and Godiva chocolates...
>From: "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
>Subject: General comments (fadeouts, etc.)
>On the whole fadeout thing, I agree that sometimes it
>could signal a certain "unwillingness" or "inability" to write an
>ending ending. Other times I think fadeouts are good for conceptual
>reasons.
>
Hmm... When I'm REALLY stumped for an ending, I do plan a fade-out... :)
But that's a very interesting point... And you're probably right. I guess
a fade-out vs. a tight ending could imply certain things about the meaning
of the song. While LTL fades out on the album, and it's perfect the way it
is; but when they play it live, they obviously haven't learned the trick my
old band taught the soundmen we've worked with. ;) But then again, when I
was at the Birch Hill show, and they were jammin' out on that "we're gonna
jam cuz it fades out on the album" part, I was standing there, wishing they
could just continue playing it forever, hoping it'd never end...
Oh and BTW, can you spot the bit of creative fiction in this post? :)
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
--e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g--
--h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 10:39 DFT
From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1858 (aot)
Message-ID: <m0v6YSP-0002g8C@tellus.thn.htu.se>
>
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>
>Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:36:05 -0400
>From: "RICH HALL" <richhall@sprynet.com>
>To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1855
>Message-ID: <199609220040.RAA20681@m4.sprynet.com>
>
>How do I unsubscribe?
>
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>
YOU READ THE SAME INFO, THAT YOU READ TO SUBSCRIBE!
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Henrik Gustafsson
Quality deployer
henrik@thn.htu.se +46 (0)520 47 50 49 (fax +46 (0)520 47 50 98)
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:37:25 +0200
From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Visual Music/ Lemur Voice Info
Message-ID: <199609271037.MAA16290@spider01.cobweb.nl>
>doo doo doo doo =20
> =20
> =20
> doo doo doo doo
> doo doo doo doo =20
> =20
> =20
> doo doo doo doo
>
>Later!!!!
>
> =20
>Ben Laussade
>
I really think it's "A fortune In Lies", I have another one:
a a
tadada ah tadada ah
ta ta
tadatetetadate tadatetetadate
Let's see if someone figures it out, haha,
Marcel Coenen
LEMUR VOICE
mcoenen@cobweb.nl
ps: Comments are still welcome.
ps 2: LEMUR VOICE concerts in the Netherlands by now:
20 oktober - Fenix Sittard, 21:00, =83 7,50
17 januari - Blokhut Rotterdam (??)
See ya all later !
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:54:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: maddy@enteract.com (Madelaine)
To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875
Message-ID: <199609271154.GAA20238@enteract.com>
>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 18:40:18 -0700
>From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Yikes.
>Message-ID: <199609270140.SAA08360@m5.sprynet.com>
>
>VISUAL MUSIC! Cover your eyes, Steve!
>
>doo doo doo doo
>
>
> doo doo doo doo
> doo doo doo doo
>
>
> doo doo doo doo
>
>Later!!!!
>
>
>Ben Laussade
>
Hmm...umm..maybe Surrounded?? Either that or that beer commercial with the
penguin in it... :)
-Maddy
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:36:14 -0500
From: bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage Live in Japan
Message-ID: <199609271336.IAA08677@renner.dnaent.com>
This is for DrX and anyone other Savatage fans. I picked up Savatage's Live
in Japan a few months ago and it is an excellent live CD. The sound quality
is great and the performances are good and energetic. I don't have the
exact setlist in front of me but It contains 8 or 9 songs off of HOR and EOT
and a few others such as Gutter Ballet and Jesus Saves. The only bad thing
is that it is an import only these days. Email me for the exact set list.
As I am a relatively new Savatage fan, I haven't been able to find the
Streets CD yet. I am willing to trade either the Ghost in the Ruins or The
Final Bell CDs (they are both the same) for a good Streets CD.
Bill
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:44:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush in Balt/DC
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960927104102.27902A-100000@bdmserver>
Tickets went on sale today at 10am. I go over to ticketbastard at 930 I
am 9th in line and I endded up with section 107 row j. This is basically
the middle section on the side and 10 rows off the floor. They were
selling pretty good. The first 2 guys got around 10th row on the floor
and after that everyone was in the side section. I decided to wait in
line rather than call in and not get through and end up with crappy
seats. I really need to get a cell phone so I can stand in line and call
at the same time...
I guess when I was in line there were about 20 guys and 3 women... Just
an observation.
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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| Hail to the Redskins 3-1 * Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!! |
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:50:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT songs influenced by Rush songs
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960927104958.27902B-100000@bdmserver>
I think that La Villa... influenced DT's Bombay vindaloo.
What do you think?
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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| Hail to the Redskins 3-1 * Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!! |
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 17:08 DFT
From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mission: Impossible
Message-ID: <m0v6eWH-0002gqC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi guys;
I have a question, I've been thinking about for a while.
When was the first time DT made MI, and have any of you heard that version
on the radio this summer.=20
Pardon me, if you already have discussed this, but I wasn't on this
hemisphere the last summer, but when I got back to Sweden I heard some
disco-version of the song a lot! I guess it still is un-official, but it
would really have been cool, if some station did play it, at least once in a
while. I don't know if this song was popular in your country, but I'm afrid
it was.=20
At least it made me miss DT, even on unexpected moments, like in discos, or
in caf=E9s.
Ok, that was all.
Now, go back and read the following "no DTC"-messages
-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D=
-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
Henrik Gustafsson
Quality deployer
henrik@thn.htu.se +46 (0)520 47 50 49 (fax +46 (0)520 47 50 98)
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