YTSEJAM Digest 1883
Today's Topics:
1) BV influence, E...SL vs. The Ytsejam, Eve "single", wav files, shmave files..., Radio DT
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
2) YTSEJAM digest 1881
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
3) KELVIN MOORE left? Oh, the horror
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
4) could this thread get much more fun?
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1881
by fbarbosa@solar.com.br (Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa)
6) Doctor Butcher
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) more on VM #666 :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) Re: muzikal terms
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
9) Re: Quick question.
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
10) Re: RUSH
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) Finally! I think
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
12) Re: Fades versus cuts
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
13) Down
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 15:36:56 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BV influence, E...SL vs. The Ytsejam, Eve "single", wav files, shmave files..., Radio DT
Message-ID: <9609282236.AA10508@tengs1>
In Bombay Vindaloo, Mike is nodding towards Xanadu.
*****
As for the connection between BV and La villa... I always thought that it
went YYZ ----> Ytsejam, same concept, different interpretations. I've always
thought it would be cool to patch Mike P's drum solo live for ytsejam into
the YYZ (off exit stage left for example) drum solo to see if you could pass
it by the scrutinous ears of a rush fan.
Easily. though Neil pulled a Joe Satriani and Eric Johnson
on Rush's latest album, no one can sound like him, not even
Mike Portnoy.
*****
($50 for Awake w/the itty-bitty Eve CD, it rulz!
I got mine for $30.
Too bad I can't play it with anything, oh, well I got The
Silent Man single)
Are you sure? When I opened it up, I was like, "Hmm. I
wonder if my car system (Supertuner IV) will play it?"
(I knew my home system would). So I stuck it in there
and it started playing! I even inserted it at weird
angles to see if I could "fool" it. Nope, the player
caught it every time.
*****
I'm sick of seeing all these .wav files everyone has
of prog bands (I ordered Superior without knowing what
they sounded like--- I was pleasantly suprised though)
Does anyone have .au files for us UNIX people? Can I
download a program that plays .wav files?
*****
Well Paul, I won't call Georgia from CA, but too bad they
don't have an email address; all the stations out here
seem to have jumped on the bandwagon, but I guess that's
what they're good at. In other news, I heard the LATM
version of PMU on KSJO today! I also heard Red Barchetta,
tribute version, last week (the rush-hour (no pun intended)
is a Rush fanatic, so it stands to reason). Too bad their
program director won't let them play anything else by DT.
I guess PMU (live or not) is "safe" for them to still play
since it was kind of a hit a few years ago. Bastards.
Zach
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:34:18 +0300
From: vanzin@infinity.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1881
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.28.-13.34.18.3163793292.118291@infinity.com.br>
Hey Jammerz!
YT>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
YT>frankly doesnt matter to me who else likes it or doesnt, as long as I like
YT>it.. i've mentioned bands before where people have shot them down without
YT>even hearing a note just because they know they fit on the "alternative"
YT>scene, and it drives me insane.. haha, now i'm going to get out an old
YT>nirvana CD and enjoy it just because of all this nirvana bashing i see...
YT>come on guys, bashing on Nirvana and NIN because theyre 'trendy' is a
YT>worse
Well, nothing more to say, I think. I hear lotsa different things,
and never care if it's heavy metal, progressive, alternative,
mainstream, I just listen to it 'cause I sounds cool to me. And others
won't necessarily listen to it 'cause I do.
'Nuff said.
YT>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
YT>Subject: visual music suggestion
YT>Visual Music #666
YT>DUHDUH DUH DUH DUH DUHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well, for the number, I'd guess Maiden's TNOTB, but it doesn't
look like it. ;)
YT>From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
YT> Why do we call music "alternative", when it's now the norm, hmmm?
Alternative is the mainstream, ad the mainstream is now
alternative, ARGH, it's driving me nuts.
YT>From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
YT>Subject: Re: RUSH
YT>Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa wrote:
YT>> In my opinion PROGRESSIVE MUSIC is GOOD MUSIC, and POP MUSIC IS
YT>IF you enjoy it as i do? So I guess we should all follow your opinion
YT>cause you say RUSH Post-Signals is crap, and it should be, cause you
YT>said
YT>so.
I think we have a new God here, and we all should do as he says.
Who this Frederico guy think he is?
YT>> GENESIS, TRIUNVIRAT, TEN YEARS AFTER, NECKTAR, RENAISSANCE, RICK WAKEMAN,
YT>> TANGERINE DREAM,
YT>> ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND ...
YT>I'm just wondering, how old are you?
Doesn't matter how old is he, but he behaves as if he was less than
5.
YT>> People who have had read DT FAQ should know that KELVIN MOORE YT>> of DT
YT>> because he was not interested anymore in Progressive Music. His tastes
YT>> changed
YT>> along the years. He became interested in Industrial and Tecno (I hate
From what I've read (I haven't read the faq), he wasn't kicked,
first of all. He asked to leave, cause he started to think different
from the others, and decided to follow his own music. I haven't heard
his "Music meant to be heard" demo (I think this is the name) but I'm
pretty curious to.
Currently Playing:
1 - Fates Warning: Perfect Symmetry
2 - Mercyful Fate: Time
3 - Helloween: Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 1
4 - Dream Theater: Instrumental II
5 - Vinnie Moore: Out of Nowhere
6 - Deep Purple: Perfect Strangers
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br
vanzin@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
Always in the #ytsejam!
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KELVIN MOORE left? Oh, the horror
Message-ID: <199609282245.AA07077@crl5.crl.com>
> People who have had read DT FAQ should know that KELVIN MOORE was kicked out
> of DT
> because he was not interested anymore in Progressive Music.
Whew, at least Kevin had other reasons for leaving....
~~~~~
I'm not gonna quote all that crap concerning how everything Rush has
done since SIGNALS is crap. I'll just observe that anyone who
-listens- to "Territories," "Middletown Dreams," "Losing It"
or "Mission" and isn't affected a little bit by the lyrics is DEAD,
and just hasn't stopped twitching near his keyboard yet.
Lyrics. Remember those? Those are the things that can elevate a
(horrors) "non-prog" song above the norm. Sometimes I think we can
overlisten to the music ("oh, this isn't prog, fuck it") and not
listen to the MEANING. I like Magellan a lot, and they're pretty
darned progressive, but there's not a heck of a lot of meaning to
"Storms and Mutiny." Just an observation to point out that songs can
be prog and lack meaning, and can be non-prog and have shitloads of
meaning.
Calling RUSH (the album) "prog" (as this Brazilian appears to be
doing by association) while dissing HOLD YOUR FIRE as non-prog
seems to be a disservice to keyboardists everywhere, but maybe that's
just me.
> His tastes have
> changed
> along the years. He became interested in Industrial and Tecno (I hate both
> styles).
Fine. You needn't pollute the Jam since you do.
Ytsecon III countdown: fifteen days!
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater KoRn Bonedance --- www.crl.com/~vanyel ------ Metallica Ozrics Enya Superior Mutha's Day Out Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult "You can find all you need in your mind / If you take the time.." -DT------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:18:38 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: could this thread get much more fun? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960928231838.006a7328@mail.inlink.com>
ok, this one i had to respond to, i'll make it quick
> > Hey man, what do you think you are ? Are you really a PROGRESSIVE > MUSIC FAN ???
you fucknut. so what youre saying is that PROGRESSIVE MUSIC FANS can only listen to PROGRESSIVE MUSIC? listening to one type of music doesnt make you a fan of it, it makes you an ignorant bastard to lots of other music. which explains why you pissed off so many people in your post. good job, skippy.
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:05:37 -0300 From: fbarbosa@solar.com.br (Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1881 Message-ID: <199609290005.VAA18926@terra.solar.com.br>
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:07:22 -0500 >From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> >To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: muzikal terms >Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960928150722.006bbc9c@mail.inlink.com> > >> Everybody knows that RUSH was a PROGRESSIVE BAND in the 70's, but RUSH >became > a COMMERCIAL BAND in the 80's. The same thing happened with YES and >GENESIS >> in the 80's. You may think I'm radical , but it's not true. > > >i hearby ditch the term "progressive" from my musical vocabulary.. this is >becoming insane. I personally could care less what the type of music i'm >listening to is classified as.. just because rush and yes evolved a bit, and >wrote some NEW songs, and got some radio airplay and a lot of people like >them (yeah thats always a bands downfall, when people start to LIKE them), >i'm not going to ridicule them.. you say it as if its black death.. i >happen to like a lot what you probably put under "commercial music" it just >frankly doesnt matter to me who else likes it or doesnt, as long as I like >it.. i've mentioned bands before where people have shot them down without >even hearing a note just because they know they fit on the "alternative" >scene, and it drives me insane.. haha, now i'm going to get out an old >nirvana CD and enjoy it just because of all this nirvana bashing i see... >come on guys, bashing on Nirvana and NIN because theyre 'trendy' is a worse >trend than LIKING THEM. and i'd much rather hang with someone who likes em >than someone who hates em, for obvious reasons, i dont wanna hear how much >they think they suck whenever i try and enjoy it, and i'd also bet ya i'd >have a better time at a concert... who wants to sit around and go "this >opening act sucks" ? >
Well, the term "Progressive" makes me feel really good ! If music is not Progressive, then it's rubish.
Maybe I'm not a DT fan or not a RUSH fan either.
I'm a PROGRESSIVE ROCK fan. PROGRESSIVE ROCK makes me crazy !!!
DREAM THEATER is only a Progressive-Metal band like several that I know... They are many Progressive Rock bands as good as DREAM THEATER.
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) >From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> >To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Quick question. >Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960928112619.17876A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
>Since i see everyone fighting about what it is to be progressive, lemme >ask you: > > What is it progressing from? > > Why do we call music "alternative", when it's now the norm, hmmm? > > Why do we call music "progressive", but not know where it's >progressing from. > > words for thought? possibly.
Well, I really don't care about ALTERNATIVE. I HATE NIRVANA, and think KURT COBAIN is an IDIOT. I'm glad he's commited suicide, because now the world is a much better place to live.
"PROGRESSIVE MUSIC" MEANS "COMPLEX MUSIC". Here's some of my favorite Progressive Albums :
DREAM THEATER "A Change of Seasons" RUSH "2112" YES "Tales from Topographic Oceans" EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER "Tarkus" JETHRO TULL "Aqualung" RENAISSSANCE "Prologue" TIME MACHINE "Act II : Galileo" APHRODITE'S CHILD "666" GENESIS "Foxtrot" RICK WAKEMAN "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" MARILION "Script for a jester's Tear" PINK FLOYD "The Dark Side of the Moon"
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 12:46:08 -0400 >From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Re: RUSH >Message-ID: <324D5650.59F1@caribe.net>
>Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa wrote: >> >> In my opinion PROGRESSIVE MUSIC is GOOD MUSIC, and POP MUSIC IS BAD MUSIC. >Oh shit now i HAVE to get rid of a lot of cd's cause POP MUSIC IS BAD >MUSIC. > >> So, I think RUSH Pre-Signals production is really great. >> If you enjoy PROGRESSIVE ROCK as I do, you should buy RUSH Pre-Signals >> production. >IF you enjoy it as i do? So I guess we should all follow your opinion >cause you say RUSH Post-Signals is crap, and it should be, cause you >said so.
It is crap, because it's commercial and sounds like 80's style. And the most creative Rock Style were made in the 60's and the 70's.
>> I felt in love with 60's and 70's ROCK. I LOVE SANTANA, JIMI HENDRIX, LED >> ZEPPELIN, >> DEEP PURPLE, BLACK SABBATH, DIXIE DREGS, EMERSON,LAKE&PALMER, YES, RUSH, >> PINK FLOYD, >> GENESIS, TRIUNVIRAT, TEN YEARS AFTER, NECKTAR, RENAISSANCE, RICK WAKEMAN, >> TANGERINE DREAM, >> ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND ... >I'm just wondering, how old are you?
I'm 26 years old.
>> People who have had read DT FAQ should know that KELVIN MOORE was kicked out >> of DT >> because he was not interested anymore in Progressive Music. His tastes have >> changed >> along the years. He became interested in Industrial and Tecno (I hate both >> styles). >I HAVE read the dt faq. And in NO place it says he wanted to become >Industrial and TeCHno. Have you heard his work after he left the band? >I guess he IS techno.
No, I haven't. But I tell you what : I DON'T LISTEN TO TECNO (ARGHHH....)
TECNO MUSIC IS FOR PLAYBOYS.
IF DREAM THEATER RELEASE A TECNO ALBUM, I WON'T BUY IT....
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 20:22:39 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Doctor Butcher Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960929012239.0068f128@mail.inlink.com>
well, i finally got to borrow this CD from my friend and i have but one word-
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, more of a noise than a word, but well descriptive. :) anyways, jon oliva is simply AMAZING on this disc... i urge any fans of the older savatage material to at least give this a look at. it's hard out rage, raw and nice, and i cant get enough. songs like "Reach out and torment someone" and "I hate, you hate, we all hate!!" just go to show, jon can be one mean sonofabitch :)
enjoy >:) ~Rip
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 20:15:33 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: more on VM #666 :) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960929011533.00698318@mail.inlink.com>
> >Uh, Rip, I think I'm going to go for the obvious here and guess "Number >of the Beast."
nope, excellent guess tho... i'll give more clues, cuz this ones a tough one i know :)
ok, it opens up an album, and its by a band a lot heavier than iron maiden. :)
thats all the clues for now :) ~Rip
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 21:59:46 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: muzikal terms Message-ID: <9609290159.AA30401@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
First, I am of the group that thinks that Rush is still progressive. Now, yeah, they didn't write another La Villa or anything, but how can you say that a song like Subdivisions, Kid gloves, Marathon, turn the Page, or anything like that aren't progressive. Listen to those songs. Yes, they've got alittle less complex. Poppy? I don't know about that. Yes went poppy, and I happen to like them. And changes is not exactly your standard pop song, and neither is Miracle of Life, Silent Dream or Scream, whatever that long one off Talk is. And Genesis? OK, so what? They went poppy too. So did ELP, to an extent. Big deal. these bands still make good music in my mind, and it stilll is more technical than say Michael Bolton or Brian Adams. And if you like those two, sorry if I offend you. As for NIrvana, I stand by my decision that I don't like them. Notice I said don't like as opposed to sucks. I have my reasons. I don't like the singing and the songs, while they do rock, don't give me anything. They're simple bar chords on a guitar and really boring guitar solos, unless you like dissonance a lot. While I could say that I can listen to Nirvana if I had to, I would rather not. NOw, I have stated my reasons why I don't like Nirvana. Notice how people usually just come out and say that something sucks and if you ask why, they say because I hate them, or because they just suck, but they don't give any reasons why, like the lyrics are inferior or the music doesn't move me, or Cobain is not a good singer or whatever. Why can't others do this? It backs up your sucks statement a lot better. And learn this abbreviation. In My Humble Opinion, IMHO. now, if you want to flame me anyway, then screw yourself. I was at least logical. I have an argument to stand on. Now blow me.
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 22:02:14 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Quick question. Message-ID: <9609290202.AA14422@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey. Alternative is the label given to music that seems to be trying to reinvent the 70s rock sound. Back in the day, it was alternative to what was out there, which was Brian Adams pop music or Bonjovi or Warrant or stuff like that. Grassroots rock, maybe.
And why don't we have somebody look up the Gibraltar encyclopedia of Progressive rock and see if there is a definition of progressive that is definitive, all right? Where are the prog rock gurus on this list? Let's post a definitive definition so that we can stop this bickering. Somebody, do the research so that you have a leg to stand on already.
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 22:05:18 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: RUSH Message-ID: <9609290205.AA02675@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I just realized something. He thinks Rush's first album is a masterpiece? My God, a masterpiece of progressive rock? Rush was a Led Zeplin clone. Don't get me wrong, I love that album, not as much as the others, but listen to that album and tell me where it's progressive. Neil Peart wasn't in the band, the lyrics were rudimentary, Alex is trying to be Jimmy Page. hey, Zeplin was an influence on Rush, and you develope your own sound by mimmicking your idols and Rush was still a young band, so it's understandable, but our man has really screwed up by saying that Rush 1 was a masterpiece. and saying that Signals, grace under pressure, power windows, hold your fire, presto and roll the bones suck. And what does he think of CounterParts and Test for Echo? This guy has the brain of my 5 year old cousin.
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:15:38 +0300 From: vanzin@infinity.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Finally! I think Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.28.-9.15.38.3163793292.118297@infinity.com.br>
Hey Jammerz!
NO, I'm not going to flame Frederico again, although he has not yet been flamed enough yet (and never will) :) But we don't need to see that every jam, right? Reading all that flaming, I found something interesting:
YT>From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> YT>Subject: Take Hold Of Da Freakin' Flame !
It had to be Itchy :)
YT>I'd like to say "FUCK YOU", but I'm better than that. Rush changed. YT>They did that because they had to. YOU want PROGRESSIVE ROCK to YT>*always* sound like it did in the 70's. *I* call THAT REGRESSIVE ROCK YT>rather than PROGRESSIVE. I don't want Dream Theater to keep making the YT>exact same music they're making now... That would get boring... YT>Each new album would just be another variation on a theme... YT>*I* want them to GROW. And I want YOU to grow UP.
Would that be a meaning for "progressive music"? It sounds really well: a kind of music that is always changing, searching new sounds while is influenced by what's going on around it. After all, a music that GROWS. Yeah, I think that is cool :)
YT>We'll talk in a few years, when you're INSULTING every Jammer because, YT>according to YOU, *Dream Theater* "Sold Out". In time, Dream Theater's YT>songs *will* get shorter and probably less 'flashy'. I'm pretty sure YT>of that. We'll see...
Maybe his definition of selling out is "when it sells more than 100.000 copies", so there are too many people that listen to it, so it's POPular, and it's no good anymore... That's what I call a open mind :P Talking 'bout short songs, that reminds me of Fates Warning. I have listened to only one album (the one I have, Perfect Symmetry), and the songs are not as long as DT's, and they are really cool. Shorter does not mean worse.
YT>Are YOU *most* Dream Theater fans ? Why don't you organize a poll to YT>see just how many Dream Theater fans "know" that those albums are YT>"no good". You'd be surprised ! Personally, I think those albums are YT>brilliant.
Well, maybe he thinks there are only 2 DT fans around, so he's 50% (can we call that a DT fan?) and that can be considered "most" :P
YT>> An excelent RUSH album is something like "2112", "Hemispheres", YT>> "Fly by Night". YT>You forgot the almighty "IMO"
Or better, "IMHO" would be really better. But this guy is far from being "humble".
YT>Fragille ? inlfuenced ? Do you really think Kevin Moore as ONLY YT>influenced by YES ? Are you really *that* stupid ? YT>Oh... "The FAQ says so"... Well FAQ YOU !
Hahahahahahahahaha, that was hilarious. :)))
YT>> Hey man, what do you think you are ? Are you really a PROGRESSIVE YT>> MUSIC FAN ???
Maybe he could tell us what progressive music is.
YT>> 3) "YYZ" - "YtseyJam" ??? YT>Btw, Frederico... I would hardly call someone who doesn't even YT>know how to spell "Ytsejam" a Dream Theater fan. You get about YT>three *YTSEJAM* digests a day, and they ALL say *YTSEJAM*
I don't think he even knows what does Ytse-Jam mean.
I think I have to apologize, 'cause I couldn't resist flaming Frederico :) And the post is pretty big too... But I promise, this is my last one about that.
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html Always in the #ytsejam! ------------------------- This message was sent by INFINITY. IP:206.138.205.57 WWW:http://www.infinity.com.br
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 22:20:33 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fades versus cuts Message-ID: <9609290220.AA31432@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Cuts easier to mix? Cold fades, whatever you call them? I don't know, I think fades are easy to mix than dead stops. As a radio dj at a college station, I can say this. if you don't time the cut right, or you're not paying attention, you got dead air. Fades give the D.J. time if he isn't paying attention. It's like jumping out of a plane. one guy lands on cement, the other a cushion. I'd rather the cushion.
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:47:26 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Down Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960929024726.00698b94@mail.inlink.com>
hey, any of you cats out there (there's gotta be some of you) get that Down album Nola? i'm considering it, just wondering if i can get any words in on it. tankz jammas :) ~Rip
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