YTSEJAM Digest 2433
Today's Topics:
1) More Reviews
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
2) Lemur Voice Gig in Ell (Near Weert)
by "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@liberfone.nl>
3) Symphony X (again)
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
4) Re: Marilyn Manson
by matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
5) More help please...
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
6) Re: What the World Has Come To (No DT Content)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
7) Symphony X (german import)
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
8) Derek vs Queensryche
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2432
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) Re: Ytse-Asshole of the month !!!
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
11) Shirt delay...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
12) fates warning clips
by Insydeout@aol.com
13) Re: Marilyn Manson (Not enough DTC in this post)
by 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
14) One more story album
by Matt Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
15) Re: Fates clips not working
by "Siegfried Hanisch" <siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net>
16) Re: Marilyn Manson (Not enough DTC in this post)
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
17) Re: Need FW soundclip address again!!!
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
18) Re: Fates clips not working
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
19) Official Stratovarius Homepage URL: NDTC
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 12:22:47 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: More Reviews
Message-ID: <9704071022.AA00471@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
here are another couple of totally subjective reviews of stuff that I have just
bought for your delectation.
SYMPHONY X - The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
When I bought 'The Damnation Game', I was knocked out by these guys, so I was
understandably interested to see how they had developed on this album. The
answer for me is simple: they haven't (or hardly). The blazing guitar solos from
Michael Romeo are still there, the Kevin Moore-like solos by Michael Pinnella
ditto, flashy neo-classical passages, good heavy riffs, very solid musicianship,
it's all there, but it's almost exactly the same as the last album. Some of the
guitar work in fact tends to get a bit wanky, sort of 'listen to how fast and
complex I can play'. Listening to these sort of solos, I can fully understand
Bernd Basmer's view that a solo should be an integral part of a song/track, and
should not stick out like a sore thumb (hope you don't mind me quoting you,
Bernd). The singer has got a bit better, especially on the title track, but
he's still wearing those too-tight trousers that seem to be all the rage with
prog bands. A good album, but these guys are going to have to do something
different next time if they want me to buy any more stuff. Flame away.
THE 3RD AND THE MORTAL - In This Room
How come there are so many really innovative bands that come from Scandinavian
countries? Is it something they put in the water, or what? Each album this band
puts out represents a logical development of the last one, but also a departure
from what they did in the past - real progressive music. Music is possibly not
the right word, perhaps tone paintings or acoustic images would be more correct.
The dark, gloomy gothic metal origins of this band can still be heard on this
album, but it's sometimes hard to work out what instruments are being played.
Sometimes it's almost like looking at an Impressionist painting - they give
you a vague idea of what's there, they tease you, and leave the fine details up
to you. Extensive use is made of tapes, special effects, loops and, of course,
Ann-Mari Edvardsen's amazing voice - sometimes she sounds like Maria Callas, and
a few seconds later she is screaching away like Bjork on acid having an orgasm.
If you liked 'Painting On Glass', check this out. Very atmospheric. Weird,
weirder, weirdest. And no, you can't dance to it.
I'll be posting the receipe for the Ytse petition cocktail as soon as I come up
with something sufficiently disgusting.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Machine Head - The More Things Change
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:21:59 +0200
From: "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@liberfone.nl>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lemur Voice Gig in Ell (Near Weert)
Message-ID: <c=NL%a=_%p=Liberfone%l=LBF-MA03-970407102159Z-11122@lbf-ma03.liberfone.nl>
Hi Jammers,
To all of you who are coming to the Netherlands to see Dream Thetaer, we
are playing the sunday before the shows from Dream Theater, we will play
in Ell (this is a small town near Weert), the show will start at 21.00
and we will play a lot of new songs and some material from "Insights"
If some people will come to this show you can contact me by private
E-mail (see addresses below, please use the address from WORK, I check
this mail more often).
I will go to the show from Dream Theater on Tuesday in Tilburg.
If some jammers will be there maybe we can meet up and say hello.
For more tourdates see below:
Sunday april 13th Bachelorclub, Ell (start: 21.00, no income)
Saturday april 26th Le Divan Du Monde, Paris (France, start: 21.00)
Sunday april 27th Lyon, French Dream Theater Convention !!!!!!!!!!
Friday may 2nd Azijnfabriek, Roermond (with FORM)
Saturday june 7th Nieuwe Pul, Uden (with Threshold and Mastermind)
Friday june 27th De Tagarijn, Hilversum (with Elegy)
Take Care,
Marcel Coenen
Guitarist Lemur Voice
marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl (work)
mcoenen@cobweb.nl (home)
Lemur Voice Homepage:
http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur/lemur-main.htm
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 14:24:49 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Symphony X (again)
Message-ID: <9704071224.AA00548@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
one point slipped my mind when I was writing my review of the album 'Divine
Wings Of Tragedy' by Symphony X. Has anybody else noticed that the main
opening riff of the title track sounds a hell of a lot like 'Mars' from the
Planets Suite by Gustav Holst. I mean the bit from 1 minute 40 (when they stop
their Beach Boys impression) to about 2 minutes 45. Very difficult not to hear
it, I think.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Tool - Undertow
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:25:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Marilyn Manson
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970407052623.18d7b6d4@unix.tamu.edu>
> There's a rumor goin' around that the guy who played Paul in "The
>Wonder Years" is the frontman for Marilyn Manson.
no, no, no...
i know a guy who actually went ot the same high school with him...
i assure you that he is NOT the guys from the Wonder Years...
oh yeah... kevin moore has testicular cancer, too... ;)
-matt.
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m a t t r o s i n / imagescape@tamu.edu
s u r r e a l i t y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
darketherealambient / po box 864, college station, tx 77841-0864
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:12:52 -0700
From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More help please...
Message-ID: <199704071312.AA05916@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
And now I just got #2432, so I am missing 2415, 2424, and
2426-2431 inclusive. This sucks. I hate my company's server. Can someone
help me out with this, or point me to the archive? (Is there one?)
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:02:28 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: What the World Has Come To (No DT Content)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970407100228.00b2ea50@pophost.fore.com>
>The lyrics for Innocense
>
>..and then in small letters...hey bonechild folx: let it be known that we
>freaks from mind funkin no way condone suicide so all you with an
>overabundance of pills and razor blades, keep em locked up for there ain't
>no greater gift than life itself so liveth, do not taketh away. Peace y'all.
So I guess they thought more kids would get the message if it were written
in jive..er, ebonics. If you're trying to be influencial on today's youth,
what would possess you to purposely write with grammatical disregard? Kids
learn by example, and this is a shit example.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:20:39 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Symphony X (german import)
Message-ID: <B0000069912@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 03:56 AM 4/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>here are another couple of totally subjective reviews of stuff that I have just
>bought for your delectation.
Thanks for posting the reviews, Neil. It's good to hear people's insight.
>SYMPHONY X - The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
I was hesitant in buying this album, one because of the price, and two
because of the Yngwie comparison. At least a good friend of mine thought
that the first album (self-titled) was just an average Yngwie metal band.
The other albums must be different. I'll buy this album anyways just
because I heard so much about them.
Did anybody buy the German import? How much cheaper is it than the Japanese
version?
I have recently bought some neo-classical albums like Ayreon where it sounds
fresh, not something rehashed. I liked a couple of songs on Artension that
were taped for me. The keyboardist has chops and smokes. The fast double
drumming can get irritating though.
Walter.
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:37:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek vs Queensryche
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970407093220.18601A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
I just remembered most of the conversation when Derek mentioned QR..
Derek is up there talking about something, and someone mentions
Queensryche... He goes on for a minute, then pauses and says "By the way,
did anyone get their new CD?"
Almost immediately, the room is filled with boos and hisses and people
screaming "It sucks!" and other comments. All the while, Derek is finding
interesting things to look at on the ceiling, looking around quickly so he
doesn't have to personally comment on what *he* thinks, but conveying the
idea fairly well without saying a word.
Eventually, he looks back down and attempts to change the subject: "So,
did the Rams move here? Is it the St Louis Rams now?"
Some people start cheering, then from the back of the room:
"They suck too!"
:)
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:42:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2432
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970407091544.12581A-100000@enteract.com>
> > To the guy with the Pleasant Shade of Grey clips: They don't work with the
> > free version of RealAudio 3.0. The compression you ise is not supported.
> > Can you upload ones that us cheapskates can listen to? :)
They won't work with anything before RealAudio 3.0, but you can
use the free version of 3.0 or above with the samples.
> From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
> Subject: Re: Various Ramblings
>
> >>I posted about starting a Ytse-Asshole form on my homepage, a few
> >>days (or a lot of digests) ago. I just set it up, so check it out
> >:-)
>
> >I think its sad that it has come to this. I personally think this is
> >only going to cause more problems....only time will tell,
>
> I agree with you; nothing good comes out of negative stuff
> like this. But, that's Itchy. That's why he makes these lists,
> because the only way he knows how to raise his self-esteem
> is by trying to drag people down to his level. It's pathetic I know,
> but for Itchy it's cheaper than paying a therapist (or a hooker).
Dude, you need a wake up call... Itchy's not dragging anyone down.
He's just sick of needless flames like this. We're coming to realize that
while you're one of the oldest people on the list, you're also one of the
least mature. These unprovoked flames are a symbol of a truly retarded
intellect. If you can't write intelligently, and mainly write to insult
people, maybe there's a better list for you to subscribe to.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:45:27 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ytse-Asshole of the month !!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970407104527.00b35c00@pophost.fore.com>
As far as the Ytse-Asshole page, there are at least 2 things wrong. First
of all, I get the list in ACK mode, so I have no idea what Digest # a
message is from, so scratch that part. Also, there should be no anonymity!
It's too easy to anonymously call someone an asshole. But to attach your
name to that accusation not only takes more balls, but usually constitutes
a legitimate reason. Plus, if you are accused of being an asshole, you
should have the right to know who your accusers are, and to defend yourself.
KAI
>> To try and make the Ytsejam a friendlier place, I came up with the
>> following idea. Instead of flaming someone directly on the list, you
>> come to this page and enter the digestnumber, From: and Subject: line
>> of the post you disagree with. After that, you enter a short comment
>> (80 characters, use them wisely). You can comment anonymously if you
>> want. In that case, I'll keep your identity a secret.
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:01:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shirt delay...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970407095729.18657A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
I want to appologize for a delay in the next shipment of shirts. There
are currently 3 orders waiting to be shipped out, those are:
Randall Braun
Andreas Berger
Joshua Rasiel
I hope to get this cleared up and get the shirts out as soon as possible,
hopefully before the end of the week. I just wanted to let you guys know
that I haven't forgotten about you.
As soon as I get these taken care of, there should be another update on
the way. In the meantime, anyone interested in getting a Ytsejam shirt
for themselves and get the (accurate except for the # of shirts sold)
information at:
http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
Thanks again...
=20
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Insydeout@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fates warning clips
Message-ID: <970407121258_1917443402@emout19.mail.aol.com>
the address for fates Warning clips is..
www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/fw.htm
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:36:10 -0500 (EST)
From: 2112 <belhai@drew.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Marilyn Manson (Not enough DTC in this post)
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970407123442.711249065C-100000@drew.edu>
On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Vincent G. LuPone wrote:
> There's a rumor goin' around that the guy who played Paul in "The
> Wonder Years" is the frontman for Marilyn Manson. I was w/ some other
> friends tonight, and we compared pictures we found on the net. They were
> almost identical--same facial structure, same nose, same ears, same type of
> hair, same placement of the sideburns, just about everything. One wonder
> years web site even proclaimed that the dude was definitely not a part of
> MM. We also compared and shared our own MM rumors.
It's funny you mention this. Because I was in a magazine store with my
cousin about two weeks ago and we saw a cover with Manson on it and he
told me the rumor. I didn't believe it at first (I still don't) but it
would be so cool if Josh Saviano actually is Marylin Manson.
Brandon
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:32:46 -0500
From: Matt Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: One more story album
Message-ID: <33492FBE.5373@aero.und.edu>
New note to an old thread:
I'm just getting caught up on the jams, so pardon my lateness with
this. Regarding all the talk about story albums, I have one to add to
the list that most of you have probably never heard of:
Resurrection Band: Lament
This is a christian metal band that's been around for 25 years now. They
have about 20 albums and "Lament" is their latest release. Its the story
of a young man's journey through life and the problems, decisions, and
solutions he encounters. Its really very good, check it out.
~Matt
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 19:35:50 +0200
From: "Siegfried Hanisch" <siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fates clips not working
Message-ID: <199704071845.SAA99151@out1.ibm.net>
Hi!
>> To the guy with the Pleasant Shade of Grey clips: They don't work with the
>> free version of RealAudio 3.0. The compression you ise is not supported.
>> Can you upload ones that us cheapskates can listen to? :)
>>
>they work for me, and i'm using the beta for win.3.1 under os2.
Maybe FW dont like Windoze :-)
I also had no problem running them on OS/2 Merlin with the beta RealAudio player.
DTC: can't await to see them on Friday in Munich!!
Siggi
Greetings # Quick to judge
Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger
=====================================# Slow to understand
siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice
ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear
=====================================# Walk hand in hand
http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt"
PGP public key available # Team OS/2 #
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:03:02 EDT
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Marilyn Manson (Not enough DTC in this post)
Message-ID: <19970407.120236.3406.0.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
This rumor has been circulating for a while now, but it's
not true. I don't notice the resemblance, but I've heard
some interviews with him and he doesn't sound anything
like him at all.
Scott
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In the year 2000, Aunt Jemima and Mrs. Butterworth will tarnish
their image by admitting that they've "Tasted each others' syrup."
Conan O'Brien April 1, 1997.
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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:13:20 -0700 (PDT) "Vincent G. LuPone"
<vgl@u.arizona.edu> writes:
>Hey,
> There's a rumor goin' around that the guy who played Paul in
>"The
>Wonder Years" is the frontman for Marilyn Manson. I was w/ some other
>friends tonight, and we compared pictures we found on the net. They
>were
>almost identical--same facial structure, same nose, same ears, same
>type of
>hair, same placement of the sideburns, just about everything. One
>wonder
>years web site even proclaimed that the dude was definitely not a part
>of
>MM. We also compared and shared our own MM rumors.
> Now, I'm not a fan of MM, not even anywhere close, in fact
>they
>annoy me, but I am kinda curious as to this little rumor. Anyone who
>knows
>any more, please e-mail me or post it. Thanks.
>
> BTW, looking at all this MM shit (pardon me if you're a fan of
>them,
>but this IS my opinion of them) has made me think of something. Yeah,
>that's right, Dream Theater rules. In every aspect. You can never
>find a
>better band IMHO. If yer reading this guys, rock on! We all can't
>waiting
>for the new album! :)
>
> Peace be with you ALL, and God bless.
>
> ~Vince (going to listen to WDADU now...)
>
>
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 11:51:18 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Need FW soundclip address again!!!
Message-ID: <9703078604.AA860440309@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>In the last jam, someone posted the address of a web site
>with some new sound clips from Fates Warning. I deleted
>the jam before I made note of the address. Could
>someone please fill me in?
For those of you who missed it amongst all the DT content <G>...
Here it is again:
Island in the Stream - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/fw.htm
~Mike
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 11:49:39 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
Subject: Re: Fates clips not working
Message-ID: <9703078604.AA860440306@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>To the guy with the Pleasant Shade of Grey clips: They don't work with
>the free version of RealAudio 3.0. The compression you ise is not
>supported.
I have tested them with the Real Player 3.0 (free) version and they all
work fine. Try downloading the latest release, there is a link right above
the sound clips.
>Can you upload ones that us cheapskates can listen to? :)
>I spend all my money on CDs and Music stuff (and computer games ... oops)
hehe... I know the feeling... that flat feeling in your back pocket
where your walet used to be...<G>
~Mike
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:55:50 -0500
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Official Stratovarius Homepage URL: NDTC
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/001CDB7E@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
Quoth 2424... A note: in this album cover there is the vbaddress of
Stratovarius official web-page. It is http://www.netlife.fi/Stratovarius.
Reply...I tried this URL, as written, and it didn't work (at least in
Netscape). It appears to be case-sensitive (no phlames), as the following
did work:
http://www.netlife.fi/stratovarius/
There is also an unofficial homepage at:
http://www.dra.nl/~jooft/stratovarius/
with links, including a Jens Johansson Homepage:
I've been intrigued by what I've read on Stratovarius/Jens Johansson. Any
recommendations on which CD to start with??? Email direct if you want, or
post here, as others may be interested as well.
(Email addresses courtesy of another Y'Jammer's recent post.)
-Randall
email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com
**"I'm looking California and feeling Minnesota" from "Outshined" by
Soundgarden**
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