YTSEJAM Digest 2467
Today's Topics:
1) looking for: john arch audition tape
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) Re: Majesty Demos
by jazzmin@ou.edu
3) precious things
by Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
4) OZZFEST
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
5) religion :) / Jon Finn!!!
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
6) NDTC: Riddle
by "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com>
7) G3 Tour
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
8) Oops
by "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2466
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) f*#&%*@ acronyms!
by Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com>
11) Re: G3 Tour
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Re: OZZFEST
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) Vicki Flavor
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
14) Re: f*#&%*@ acronyms!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org>
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:57:33 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: looking for: john arch audition tape
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970416195733.00758f14@mail.inlink.com>
does anyone have the john arch complete vocalist audition tape? i got stuff
to trade, so mail me about it! thanks
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 15:00:38 -0500
From: jazzmin@ou.edu
To: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Majesty Demos
Message-ID: <33552e8107fa002@cliff.ou.edu>
I figured that this was harmless enough to post, since those of you who are
curious might get a modikim of amusement from my description. Time to get
off the Josta wagon I think.
At 12:11 PM 4/11/97 EDT, Chris White wrote:
> Well, I assume someone has already contacted you about getting a copy of
>the Majesty demos -- if not, I will though :)
> So were you referring to the Fix gig as the "You-Know-What". If not, I
>don't know what *grin* Let me know, and we'll try to set something up :)
Yeah, that's the ticket... I have the Majesty demo CD and have taped it
off. I must say that while I don't mind having the disc for collector's
value (aka "sentiment"), I don't think I'm going to listen to it often. The
vocalist sucks even worse than anyone you can imagine. Saying that Chris
Collins didn't have what it takes (I think that's how they put in in the
FAQ) is a serious example of diplomacy.
However, the music is pretty good. I can xerox the lyrics sheet for ya.
Vital Star in particular is definitely worth a remake. I'd like to hear
LaBrie on it, and to hear the band do another take now that they've learned
a little discipline.
The lyrics are exceptionally cheesy, alternating with your typical
high-n-mighty loftiness. That they are trying so hard to be like oh, say
Rush or Yes maybe, is what really kills the demo. But... you can hear them
developing their sound. In some places (March of the Tyrant, I think) you
say, wow, what if they'd followed that route? That would have been an
entirely different band!
I know that I'm making this sound awful. To be fair, it was their first
effort -- I think it was recorded just a few months after they started
practising, which is a hell of a lot better than I've done. To their credit
(except for Chris) they have so much raw potential showing on the songs that
it's surprising they didn't get a sponsor. Everyone except Myung has really
improved; I think Myung has always had the talent from the beginning (the
virtuoso of the group). Petrucci has had to work on it. Portnoy has toned
himself down (age, I think, more than anything).
It's a fascinating study of a group in its infancy. And you know how
infants are (I've had two)... they crap in their pants, drool, and crawl
about, then get a little bigger and say cute things and then BAM! all of a
sudden they're having an intelligent conversation with you! So... Majesty
must have been the drooling stage, and WDADU would have been the
teeth-cutting toddler stage, and then I&W is just so different. All along
you can see the potential and the way they start to draw on it. In this
progression, I guess you could say that Awake is their rowdy teenager angst
album (TM).
I just hope they don't flatline like Queensryche's latest. God, that SUCKED
mightily.
SO! Well! Yes! Enough babbling, sorry to go on about it, just got out of
class and picked up my mail (about 45 ytsejams this week, ugh, gotta catch
up sometime)...
Jazzmin
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hm. upon re-reading your original message, I do believe we've both got the
majesty demos and both want the Fix show. grr. If you know of anyone....... =)
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:08:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: precious things
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970416150720.3614A-100000@eehpx43.cen.uiuc.edu>
did anyone else notice the mistake on the precious things liner? Heatt
of the Sunrise by Yes? :)
Ed
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:18:11 -0700
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OZZFEST
Message-ID: <199704162017.AA10482@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
Since everyone's asking, here's the skinny on OZZFEST straight from the Ozzynet
webpage. I have no other info so don't ask me. But jammers headed to the Giants Stadium
show, get in touch with me. I'M THERE!!!!
___________________________________________________
Summer's coming and that means OZZ-FEST is heading your way! With the line up that
follows, it's gonna be an event to remember! Tour dates & line up subject to change.
MAIN STAGE: OZZY, SABBATH (Ozzy, Iomi, Geezer), Marilyn Manson (selected dates),
Pantera, Type-O Negative, Fear Factory, Machinehead, Powerman 5000
2nd Stage: Downset, Neurosis, Slo Burn, Drain STH, Coal Chamber, Vision of Disorder
5/24 BRISTOW, VA NISSAN AMPHITHEATRE
5/26 W. PALM BEACH CORAL SKY PAVILLION
5/28 CHARLOTTE CHARLOTTE AMPHITHEATRE
5/31 SAN ANTONIO ALAMODOME
6/1 DALLAS STARPLEX
6/3 CLEVELAND BLOSSOM MUSIC CENTRE
6/4 INDIANAPOLIS DEER CREEK AMPHITHEATRE
6/7 PITTSBURGH STAR LAKE AMPHITHEATRE
6/8 CAMDEN/PHILLY ENTERTAINMENT CENTRE
6/10 ST. LOUIS RIVERPORT AMPHITHEATRE
6/12 DETROIT PINE KNOB
6/14 MANSFIELD, MA GREAT WOODS
6/15 E. RUTHERFORD, NJ GIANTS STADIUM
6/17 COLUMBUS POLARIS AMPHITHEATRE
6/19 CHICAGO THE WORLD
6/21 MILWAUKEE ALPINE
6/22 MINNEAPOLIS APPLE VALLEY
6/24 DENVER MILE HIGH STADIUM
6/26 PHOENIX DESERT SKY PAVILLION
6/28 LAS VEGAS SAM BOYD
6/29 SAN BERNADINO BLOCKBUSTER PAVILLION
04/14/1997 - AF
-- Andrew Forcier List Manager - Saigon Kick Mailing List andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:17:21 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: religion :) / Jon Finn!!! Message-ID: <33552BBB.1E71@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> > From: The Force!
> Now this moniker I can get used to.
First one's free, dude. :)
> Anyone else seem to think our dear friend Mr. Parmet is on the road > to most frequent poster?
The wheels of government do turn slooooowly don't they?
ok, ok, I'll get back to work.....damn!
> I'm going for most lines per post,
Carefull, that stuff'll kill ya.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anyone planning on going to see Jon Finn tomorrow night at Berklee?
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:20:26 -0700 From: "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC: Riddle Message-ID: <8825647B.006EEB16.00@domino1.ca.tekelec.com>
I found this on another list although I changed it a little.
James G
Q: How many Ytsejammers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: 854:
1 to change the light bulb and to post to the jam that the light bulb has been changed
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.
53 to flame the spell checkers
56 to write to Skadz complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to the jam.
41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
59 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
53 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.
81 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list.
106 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty.
27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs
14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs.
3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list.
33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."
12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversey.
19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:22:03 -0700 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: G3 Tour Message-ID: <199704162020.AA10686@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, The tour will be returning to the US as of June 19. First stop: Hartford, CT. June 21 they'll be at PNC Bank Arts Center in NJ. All the acts I have heard confirmed for the show are Vai, Satriani, and Kenny Wayne Shepherd, though I know there will be more. Yet Another show I will be at. Damn, I'll be broke by summer's end! Again, this is all the info I have.
-- Andrew Forcier List Manager - Saigon Kick Mailing List andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:24:18 -0700 From: "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oops Message-ID: <8825647B.00700093.00@domino1.ca.tekelec.com>
I sent the light bulb thing and then read the next digest and saw that someone else had sent it already.
Sorry,
James G
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:47:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2466 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970416153203.21966A-100000@enteract.com>
> No one has the completed lyrics to Metropolis II. This *includes* Dream > Theater.
But excludes Chris Ptacek, who does not exist, and is James LaBrie, while not being D-Man.
> From: Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2460
> cant you take a joke either?
Um... the message "I" sent was in response to something that was not a joke. And I didn't think it was you who wrote it (not that that matters... I'd have written back even if it was Petrucci) so what are you talking about?
> threads dont even come close to being as stupid as the spice girls
Except maybe this one... :)
> and i dont have a dog so have fun looking for him
Cat? Bunny? Snake? ... Gerbil? I'll bring the appropriate vehicle for its demise. Just keep me informed. :)
> mtv sucks! > just a reminder to everyone (including "chris ptacek")
Who does not exist... :) Thanks for reminding me. I was almost watching a Spice Girls video. :)
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:58:03 -0500 From: Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: f*#&%*@ acronyms! Message-ID: <33553D5A.6CF7@ix.netcom.com>
Hey-
I'm pretty new to this list, and joined out of a general interest in prog music rather than a specific interest in DT. As you may guess, I am woefully ignorant of the meaning of many of the acronyms that get used on this list. I'd really appreciate it if someone would send me a brief list of what they stand for.
Thanks
*-----------------------* | chips@eden.com | |-----------------------| | tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com | *-----------------------*
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: G3 Tour Message-ID: <199704162058.NAA07261@odin.ax.com>
> > Hello, > The tour will be returning to the US as of June 19. First stop: > Hartford, CT. June 21 they'll be at PNC Bank Arts Center in NJ. All the > acts I have heard confirmed for the show are Vai, Satriani, and Kenny > Wayne Shepherd, though I know there will be more. Yet Another show I will > be at. Damn, I'll be broke by summer's end! Again, this is all the info I > have.
By the way, for all those who may not know, the PNC Bank thing is the new name for the Garden State Arts Center. I figure maybe some people outside of New Jersey interested in this gig should know just in case.......and lo and behold, you don't have to worry about our fiercesome jughandles, for it is right off the Garden State Parkway, where every lane is the slow lane when you're going 85!
And for all the Joisey bashers out there, let me just remind you of the state slogan (both variations):
Welcome to New Jersey..........now get the fuck out. Welcome to New Jersey..........youse got a fookin' prawblum?!?!
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:03:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: OZZFEST Message-ID: <199704162102.OAA07343@odin.ax.com>
> 6/15 E. RUTHERFORD, NJ GIANTS STADIUM
Man, Ozzfest on the 15th, G3 on the 19th, and Dave Matthews on the 16th or 17th...............and who says that Jersey sux!
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:04:41 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vicki Flavor Message-ID: <199704162104.OAA19398@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> > >> From: Adam > >> And what I'm saying is that this limited segment of a >> self-defining community contains a number of people who feel as though we're >> somehow blaspheming the word "progressive" if we apply it to Rush or Dream >Theater. > >Well, there ya go. Limited, indeed. Sounds more like a newsgroup naming >errorif there's an undercurrent so biased against two particular groups >:) Screw what they think. If I looked at the world like many a Mindcrime >do :), I'd be missing out on a whole heck of a lot of music.
Agreed. But there's certainly a constituency there who feels that progressive refers to the convergence of classical and jazzier themes with an elaborate rock arrangement. And that aggressive rock or metal doesn't belong under that rubric. That there IS a progressive metal, to be, is quite obvious. But since metal, since the early years of Sabbath, has been seen as somewhat bombastic, perhaps progressive metal DOES have a sense of redundancy about it.
>> I think the people I'm speaking of come from a progressive ROCK background >> and AREN'T really willing to describe anything METAL as progressive. > >That's their shortsitedness (sp?)... To me it's not whether a band is >progressive or not, but whether the MUSIC is. One can take any genre and >make music in it which is progressive (does that make sense?) It's hard >to put into words, butKeith Emerson comes closest for me.
I understand what you're saying....it sounds like you're talking, primarily, about arrangement ideas. Now, a question: Are we speaking of length? Of number of distinct musical parts? How complex those parts are? How many stylistic switches one makes? I'd argue that all of those go into a meaningful definition of progressive, but a band like Faith No More, who's greatest strength is it's ability to switch up midstream and play in another of different styles. This, I think, is somewhat progressive. And I'm sure a few folks here are gonna wanna hang me in effigy for calling THEM progressive.
>I was on Usenet when the number of newsgroups could just about fit on >ONE screen! Let's put it this way: I've heard it said that, as a >culture, Usenet doesn't scale very well :) I've learned to take a lot of >the shit on there for just what it is: shit. This is not to say there >isn't some signal amongst the noise.
I'll go for that. I work is research, you know, so I WILL go along with the notion that Usenet isn't a representative sample, if you will. But I also did have a somewhat well-known knock-down drag-out on the old a.m.p with a few folks who were arguing both that Rush isn't progressive and that Rush isn't any good, anyhow, so who gives a shit?
>> What's Brand X? Progressive FUSION?! > >Sure! Why not? Again, for me, Fusion would refer to the genre(s) while >progressive would refer the structure of the song.
Actually, Fusion is a special case, since it is, by definition, a genre of music that rests at the meeting place of jazz and rock music. AND, essentially, requires a phenomenal amount of technical facility. A band like Weather Report is VERY progressive, but they play a kind of music that's fairly progressive at its root. Brand X just seems a little more fusion-sounding than progressive, as such, to me....and they generally get tagged as "progressive"....probably because of all the projects that the band remembers have done OUTSIDE of Brand X. Go figure....
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Permanent Waves 2. Go Pound Salt: Go Pound Salt 3. Ministry: Psalm 69 4. Megadeth: Youthanasia 5. Tori Amos: Crucify
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@digital.dreamt.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: f*#&%*@ acronyms! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970416170934.5692A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Chip Alexander wrote:
> I'm pretty new to this list, and joined out of a general interest in > prog music rather than a specific interest in DT. As you may guess, I > am woefully ignorant of the meaning of many of the acronyms that get > used on this list. I'd really appreciate it if someone would send me a > brief list of what they stand for.
Chip, and everyone else: There's a list of acronyms in the FAQ. I *think* that everything you'll need is there, but of course, something might be missing. If you care to have a look (URL in the .sig) and let me know if there's anything you can't find, it'll help everyone.
Thanks -d
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