YTSEJAM Digest 2495
Today's Topics:
1) APSoG tray
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) RE: APSoG tray
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
3)
by dave rieth <degenerated@wwdg.com>
4) France Lemur Voice gigs
by "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@liberfone.nl>
5) APSOG
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) Problems
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@dreamt.org>
7) G3 Tour Dates
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
8) Re: IME
by "Mike Patrick" <meatrick@iquest.net>
9) RE: Re: IME
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
10) more APSoG
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Re: more APSoG
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
12) Fates Warning CD for sale...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
14) KISS
by "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk>
15) The Shining
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
16) Re: more APSoG
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
17) Re: ~eckie
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
18) Should the new Fates be the first Fates?
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494
by Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee>
20) FW vs QR
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
21) Re: FW vs QR
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:19:27 -0500
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: APSoG tray
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970423121927.0085a760@mail.inlink.com>
>
>I was just looking at the packaging on the new FW CD, and I noticed
>something weird. You know the picture under the tray? I'm probably wrong
>about this, but it looks like it might be one of those Magic Eye 3D
>stereograms. There is definately something hidden in the picutre... like
>a faint impression of something
its not a magic eye thing. you also have to remember magic eye pictures are
repetitive, its so your eyes cross and still mend the same images together
and think you're looking at the same part, but really are looking at two
different parts of it. there IS something hidden however, and what it is
i'm not sure.. i dont think its the guy on the cover personally, it's
interesting to look at though, its a very faint image.
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 05:57:50 -0700
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: APSoG tray
Message-ID: <199704231257.FAA00165@ms.kallback.com>
>there IS something hidden however, and what it is
>i'm not sure.. i dont think its the guy on the cover personally, it's
>interesting to look at though, its a very faint image.
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Could it be........
A CHICKEN???
That or a light bulb.
trevor
or a cow (Hi Rip)
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:26:19 -0600
From: dave rieth <degenerated@wwdg.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199704231326.HAA02536@mail.wwdg.com>
>
>
> Everyone check out my website for bootleg videos
>
> http://members.tripod.com/~degenerated/home.html
>
> And if any one has any of that nasty punk crap you can unload it on me I suppose i could find something to do with it
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:16:35 +0200
From: "Coenen, Marcel" <Marcel.Coenen@liberfone.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam@ax.com'" <Ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: France Lemur Voice gigs
Message-ID: <c=NL%a=_%p=Liberfone%l=LBF-MA03-970423131635Z-957@lbf-ma03.liberfone.nl>
Hi to all France jammers,
We will do 2 gigs in France this weekend, at saturday we will play in a
club named "Le Divan Du Monde" in Paris, the show will start at 19.30.
At sunday we will play at the french Dream Theater convention in Lyon in
a club named PEZNER, we will start at 17.00.
At both shows we will play about five new tracks (will be on our
forthcoming second album which we are going to record later this year)
and ofcourse most songs from our "Insights" album.
At sunday we also have a surprise (or two) for all DT-fans in France.
So please come and join us, we also will be in the crowd to talk to
people and maybe sign some CD-jackets or other autographs.
See you there,
Marcel Coenen
Lemur Voice
mcoenen@cobweb.nl (home)
marcel.coenen@liberfone.nl (work)
http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:38:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: APSOG
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970423093733.15656A-100000@bdmserver>
Kevin wrote:
>At lunch I drove over to the Columbia Best Buy, and they
>had multiple copies of the new Fates!! I was praying...
This being the Columbia, Maryland store? I went there about noon and got
the only copy there.
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:35:33 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Problems
Message-ID: <335240B5.EAF@dreamt.org>
Sorry for the NDTC.
If anyone mailed me this past two or three days, my mail box is having
trouble. You can reach me at vanzin@geocities.com .
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:49:09 -0700
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G3 Tour Dates
Message-ID: <199704231348.AA02579@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
G3 tour dates are now up at http://www.g3tour.com/g3_tour.html
The tour is kicking off in Camden instead of Hartford. I think maybe I'll
get opening night tix... Oh, the line-up:
Robert Fripp
Kenny Wayne Shepherd
Steve Vai
God... oops, I mean Joe Satriani
Somehow I don't think those jams at the end will be half as cool with
Kenny instead of Eric. Oh, well! I'll suffer...
And as far as I know all tickets for the PNC Bank Arts Center go
on sale May 3. Bracelets on May 1. No immediate pay day around there for
me. Darn...
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:01:46 -0000 From: "Mike Patrick" <meatrick@iquest.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: IME Message-ID: <199704231400.HAA04580@odin.ax.com>
>Edwin(lead singer) will QUIT the band after >this summers tour. The band WILL NOT breakup >, but instead will start an immediate search for a >replacement for Edwin.
If I may be so bold as to break into the middle of all the Fates ranting - THIS SUCKS. Although, if I had to venture a guess, I'd say the brains behind the band is really the guitarist, Jorgi Tanna (is that his name?) Still, I think Alex Lifeson summed it up best - Edwin's voice has a certain degree of 'menace'. He's certainly one of the more versatile voices out there.
Oh, and if you don't have their last album, Scenery and Fish, WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN WAITING FOR???
Mike mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:11:14 -0700 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Re: IME Message-ID: <199704231411.HAA00152@ms.kallback.com>
>WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN WAITING FOR??? ---------- Um, DT?
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:32:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: more APSoG Message-ID: <199704231431.HAA04962@odin.ax.com>
Quick thing.....what's the deal with the umbrella sticking in the brain.......?
"pleasant shade" = umbrella? "gray" = gray matter?
just some thoughts...............strange picture, kinda like the ears in the jar on HitNF, but not as well-drawn......
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:53:57 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: more APSoG Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970423105314.25051B-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! I'm Freakin' Broke and cann't afford to get my APSoG!!!! Waaaaaahhhhhh!!!! You people suck and stuff *sniff*
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates Warning CD for sale... Message-ID: <199704231453.KAA27864@clipper.hq.tis.com>
Hi, I'd like to sell Fates Warning "Parallels" CD. It's still unopened (I somehow bought a second copy and couldn't return it). I'm asking $10 for it, which includes shipping. Just send me email if you're interested. I think I'll be using the $10 to help pay for the new Fates CD. :-)
Steve schew@tis.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:18:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970423092145.17296A-100000@enteract.com>
I feel really left out now. It's 4/23/97, and I still haven't found the Fates CD. I'm gonna leave work and not come back till I find it! What's worse? If the picture under the tray is a magic eye, I'm gonna need some kind of scan/reproduction program to be able to see what the heck it is... I can't do magic eye! :(
> Finally, to all you girly-magnet guitarists out there, Not girly magnetic... LINT MAGNETIC!
> consider the "best" or "most favorable" cabinet speaker/head amp half > stack for a heavy metal prog thrasher like myself? I'm kinda partial to > Crate, Mesa Boogie, Marshall...all 'em good big 'uns...I just don't have > any single model that piques my interest over the rest(yet). Any cab with decent speakers will sound good. There is some evidence to support that some of the new Mesa cabs (not the old ones with the metal grill) are more well designed to spread sound evenly. They have a slight slant to them that no other cab I've seen has (and I'm not talking about slant-top cabs... I know what those are). But you will get a great sound out of anything with good speakers. What to look for speaker-wise: Celestion Greenbacks (25 Watt speakers) sound good, but if you play loud consistantly, (that is, if you play live shows, and don't mic your cabs, but make them do all of the work) you might want something stronger. In this case I'd go with Celestion Vintage 30's if you can afford them (I am told that these are actually 60 watt speakers). Recenly I've heard great things from Peavey Sheffield speakers, as in the 5150 cabs. Worth checking out. When buying speakers (not cabs) you get what you pay for. When buying cabs, you get the name you pay for. > From: "Dan McCormack" <dmc@dreamt.org> > Subject: open-minded?
> Hey, what's up. I was just thinking, and correct me if I'm wrong, but = > this is how it seems to me. In general, prog fans are regarded as among = > the most open-minded music fans, right? I'd actually say that in my experience, prog fans are some of the most CLOSED minded music fans.
> most of the Jammers are usually quick to dismiss punk as 'that crap' You have to understand... most people that like listening to shredding guitars, soaring melodies, complex drumming, and intricate odd time signatures/polyrhythms are going to gravitate away from punk. I really wil not entertain any arguments about how complex "Punk Band X" is, or how "Jimmybob can play all of Petrucci's stuff in his sleep, but he can't play Don't Speak, because that's the most diverse and intense chord workout known to man." It's cool to listen to whatever hits your ear in a positive way, whether that's rap, country, punk, or metal. I think, however, that some people have sticks up their asses when it comes to "This album sucks". That's a natural response, and slang for "I don't like it"... not saying "There is no redeemimng quality that any human being can find in this music". I don't want to live in a society where I HAVE to give a complex review of everything I dislike, just to have the permission not to like it. The only time this is an issue, is when an artist is just scraping by. You can really hurt someone financially by telling their entire fan base that they suck. All that's required to avoid this is to tag in "But don't take my word for it... make up your own mind" or something to that effect. Sadly, there are many followers out there who will not listen to something if someone they respect says it sucks.
> Why is open-mindedness reserved for technically challenging music? It isn't, and never has been.
> Why is music that doesn't take God (or John Petrucci, = > same difference :) to play automatically crap? No one has made this case. I think you're exaggerating your point.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:42:09 0 From: "Eddie J Cooper" <eddie@abacus.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KISS Message-ID: <9704231639.AA23692@sphinx>
On 23 Apr 97, someone wrote about "KISS":
> LOng Live KISS!
Just been announced that KISS are playing London Finsbury Park in the UK on Saturday 5th July, & I'm getting my tix tomorrow!!!!!
Yeeee-Haaaaa Motherfucker!! ;))))
Laterz Eddie };-)~
- DOS Tip #17: Add DEVICE=FNGRCROS.SYS to CONFIG.SYS - "I know it all. I just can't remember it all at once." - "If you don't go to other men's funerals they won't go to yours."
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:59:07 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Shining Message-ID: <335E31CB.64DB@auburn.net>
Watch ABC this Sunday night, Monday night, and next Thursday night. You won't be disappointed! THE SHINING miniseries is going to top the original movie, and, to be honest, I wasn't sure that was possible.
Big Beat Records here in town has 2 copies of Echolyn's "As The World" for a measly $5 in their used bin. How the hell did that happen? But Wildman Steve will have my copy of aPSoG tomorrow. The price? $11. I'll be indulging in the same aural orgasmatry that most of you are already experiencing when that sucker gets here!
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: more APSoG Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970423122917.596B-100000@unix18.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, NuGgeTMaN wrote:
> ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! I'm Freakin' Broke and cann't afford to get my APSoG!!!! > Waaaaaahhhhhh!!!! You people suck and stuff *sniff* > Get a credit card, dude :)
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ~eckie Message-ID: <01II1MMNL9HU8ZFL89@LTU.EDU>
On your question about guitar eq. I don't actually prefer just a head and a cab to get that great crunch sound. I prefer a combo of a good tube- driven effects processor with good power amp. Both guitarists in my band use this kind of setup. One guy has a Digitech 2101 as a preamp and a Mesa Boogie power amp (I'm not sure of the model number, cuz he just got it, but it is a tube power amp). He can get some great crunch out of that setup. Every time I have plugged into a straight into a Marshall amp I have been severely disappointed. I'm sure a Marshall would sound great with some extra toys to tweak it, but I've never gotten close to my ultimate sound straight into a Marshall. This same guitarist used to have a Boogie .22 caliber amp with the eq circuit on it, and that little fucker sounded great until it got dropped and broke all the tubes inside. One of those would probably be a lot better if you are tight on money. You have to make sure they have the eq on there, because some models don't. The .22 is basically a practice amp, so it has a speaker on it, but it sounds much better when you hook it up to a cab. Some other good effects processors besides the 2101 are the VuduValve and the Chameleon. The VuduValve smokes! Anyway, hope I helped you out.
-C#
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:54:07 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Should the new Fates be the first Fates? Message-ID: <199704231654.JAA04526@ichips.intel.com>
I hate to admit it, but I've never heard any Fates stuff. I do, however, have every intention of picking up some of their CDs when I'm not so strapped for cash (mortgage payments suck ;). In the past, the consensus has seemed to be that one should start with Parallels. My question is, is that still true? Or has APSoG surpassed that album as the definitive first-time CD?
Thanks for any insight...
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:57:04 +0300 (EET DST) From: Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee> To: Owners of the 1st Ytsejam T-shirt <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2494 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970423194909.16773E-100000@leandra.ebs.ee>
On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 ytsejam@ax.com delivered this by Mike Bahr:
> there's a touch of New Yorker in there because my parents are from Long > Island.
That's it! You're Mike Portnoy's bastard son! This explains how you get your hands on all the good stuff, and being the generous chap you are, let Jammers abound enjoy it as well.
Am I right or am I right?
As a sidenote that has little to do with da durnik, I'll say that I've drooled over my keyboard all day after reading praise after praise regarding Fates' APSOG. I'll get it next week, I hope, I don't think I'll start hunting it down here in Estonia and I'm a bit short on cash as well, so I have to wait until my next trip back home to Finland..
Finally, as consolation to Partha, never mind St. Louis causing trouble to the Wings... I'm a die-hard Habs fan and we're pretty much down and out after losing 3 to New Jersey.
slap, crapple and bop, antti
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Antti Nyrhinen -- nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611 - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School - - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - -
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:05:19 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW vs QR Message-ID: <199704231705.KAA05801@ichips.intel.com>
It's gonna be a long day at work, so I think I'll stir up a little trouble to bring everyone down to my depressing mood. <g>
Several times I've heard people say this about the new Queensryche CD: "If a band puts out the same kind of stuff every album, I would get bored...I'm glad that my favorite bands are progressing into new sounds and styles" (or some paraphrased version of that).
My question is, why isn't anybody out there bitching and moaning about the new Fates Warning? I mean, my god, they're still playing complex progressive shit. Some people have even compared it to I&W, which is <gasp> almost 5 years old! When are they gonna do something NEW?
Just a thought...
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FW vs QR Message-ID: <199704231736.KAA07551@odin.ax.com>
> My question is, why isn't anybody out there bitching and moaning about > the new Fates Warning? I mean, my god, they're still playing complex > progressive shit. Some people have even compared it to I&W, which is > <gasp> almost 5 years old! When are they gonna do something NEW? > > Just a thought... >
My take on this is that a lot of people, no matter what they say, are pretty much reluctant to accepting change.
The difference in QR's case is that their change, as a lot of people see it (including myself), is not one of improvement - almost a REgression. Now remember, this is only the opinion of a number of people here and not a consensus.....
Fates Warning has changed, but not lately...I heard a small amount of Fates stuff pre-Symmetry, and it didn't do anything for me. I think its safe to say that they changed a LOT with PS - and that's when I began to enjoy them a LOT.
I definitely would not recommend APSoG as the first listen to Fates......I would go with the general consensus of getting Parallels first......APSoG is more of a concept-type thingy, and it may turn off a lot of people if that's what they hear first....
Here's another example - I enjoyed the old Metallica stuff (RtL, Kill 'Em All) when I was younger....then they "change"d a bit when And Justice came out.....but I definitely liked it better - it seemed more "musical" in a sense...the sound was different, but it was more "mature" it seemed to me (hard to explain). The music seemed more complex, more along the proggy side in a way. This was a change that *I* liked, but a lot of die-hard Metallica fans hated......
The basic point is....it seems that a lot of people here enjoy change that is toward the more complex and musical. Fates has done that with this album by incorporating all of this musically into one piece (hard to call it a song)....
When the change goes toward the more "basic", i.e., no shredding solos, or just plain lack of emotional impact that a lot of us are used to with some bands (including QR for me), then that's where the "This album sucks", "They're selling out" type comments come in........
hope this explains *something, even if its just the fact that I'm a know-nothing blowhard....
-Al
BTW....... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/halfnakd.html
THE HALF NAKED WEB PAGE......
e-MAIL privately, lemme know whatya think... still in construction though...
or check the entire thing, same address, only index.html instead.
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